Shooting at HS in Parkland Florida

The gift of the above is that the kids think they are making the picks and learning in the process...

There seems to be a glitch......

Shooting suspect was on school rifle team that got NRA grant
Feb 17, 2018

The troubled teen authorities say killed 17 people at a Florida high school excelled in an air-rifle marksmanship program supported by a grant from the National Rifle Association Foundation, part of a multimillion-dollar effort by the gun group to support youth shooting clubs and other programs.

Nikolas Cruz, 19, was wearing a maroon shirt with the logo from the Army Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps program at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School when he was arrested Wednesday shortly after the shooting. Former JROTC cadets told The Associated Press that Cruz was a member of the small varsity marksmanship team that trained together after class and traveled to other area schools to compete.

It was a close-knit group. One of the other cadets started calling Cruz “Wolf,” and the nickname stuck.

“He was a very good shot,” said Aaron Diener, 20, who gave Cruz a ride to shooting competitions when they were part of the same four-member team in 2016. “He had an AR-15 he talked about, and pistols he had shot. ... He would tell us, ‘Oh, it was so fun to shoot this rifle’ or ‘It was so fun to shoot that.’ It seemed almost therapeutic to him, the way he spoke about it.”

The JROTC marksmanship program used air rifles special-made for target shooting, typically on indoor ranges at targets the size of a coin.

Records show that the Stoneman Douglas JROTC program received $10,827 in non-cash assistance from the NRA’s fundraising and charitable arm in 2016, when Cruz was on the squad. The school’s program publicly thanked the NRA Foundation on its Twitter feed .
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Broward County Public Schools, which includes Stoneman Douglas High, has received NRA donations to at least four other high schools, records, show. District officials did not respond to requests for comment Friday.

A total of 18 schools in Florida received NRA donations in 2016, more than any other state.

The rifle team at North Fort Myers High School in Florida received $37,000 in 2016, the largest donation overall. The district’s JROTC program received $10,000 in cash and $27,000 in non-cash assistance two years earlier, according to tax records.
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Arsu Noorali, a former JROTC cadet at Stoneman Douglas who participated in marksmanship training, said she hopes the program doesn’t get a bad name because Cruz was in it.

“The program is about discipline, and family and love,” said Noorali, 19. “You hang out with these people, getting up at 4 a.m., and going to competitions, and they become your family.”

Cruz talked of wanting to join the Army after graduation and become an elite special forces soldier, a dream potentially derailed by his expulsion.

Noorali remembers talking to Cruz’s mother about his behavioral problems.

“She told me, ‘Look, he’s not the best of kids, I really hope this program can change him,’” she recounted. “Because it does teach you a lot of discipline. It becomes fun after a while.”

www.apnews.com/87b429399f774064beefd7a7dff3a41a/Shooting-suspect-was-on-school-rifle-team-that-got-NRA-grant

Exactly, kids in the UK and 
Canada and Japan and other first world countries have the same access to media and video games as our kids do.  They face the same bullying and harassment and probably experience mental illness just as 
American kids do. They difference seems to be our kids have unfettered acces to guns.  
Kids have been bullied and suffered from mental illness since the dawn of time I am sure, the difference today is the weapons they are using to retaliate.  

What a very smart, thoughtful and caring person she is. 

Don't do that. Don't take one line of a full paragraph of what I said and use it to imply that one line was the entire meaning of what I said. WTF is wrong with you that you would eliminate everything else in that paragraph in order to smack me for something that with all the other words included- wasn't said.

Here is the entire paragraph:

4. It isn't the right to bear weapons, or the right to a specific part of it. It is the right to bear arms. The federal government cannot restrict piecemeal what the constitution forbids them wholesale. This principle has been held up many times in first amendment and fourth amendment decisions. See flag burning, obscene t shirts, etc.

Keep in mind that this debate goes very much to the heart of the constitution. The second amendment is there ultimately to protect and uphold the constitution from the government.

Now that we see what I ACTUALLY said, try to stop being an asshole. 
And I want to make sure that everyone who liked your vindictive, malicious, deceitful post see the actual truth of what I posted. 

Merge  jayfab  Skellinton  papercrafteradvocate

Nope. If she wasn't trying to be vindictive, malicious and deceitful, she would have left the rest of my words in, but if she had left the other words, it would contradict her point. 

So, yes she was being vindictive, malicious and deceitful. You don't get to lie about what I said in order to diminish me and get away with it. It doesn't work that way.

Am I the only one who wonders what school systems are like in other countries and does that have anything to do with the mentality of these students?
1) We no longer have recess for kids to play together or recess is severely limited. (I had morning, lunch and afternoon recess until 3rd or 4th grade and then we had lunch and afternoon recess)
2) focus, even in the young ages on only academic benchmarks and no focus on emotional regulation
3) in some areas the loss of specials (music, art PE)
4) loss of teacher autonomy - no way to address issues with students
5) lack of accountability for students

I have a cousin who teaches in Japan. They all (students and staff) do some cleaning of the school weekly. On the other hand, another cousin works in the kitchen at a school here in the states and a parent called screaming at her and then the principal because she had the audacity to tell the student to clean up her lunch area.

I’m going with this. Better said that I would have written out.

And I’ve gone back to re-read the posts in question 4x.

(And, for the record, since I was tagged solely because I *liked* a post, which I do when I want the poster to know I read it, or sometimes when I wholeheartedly agree, this time, I did so because I specifically liked the part of her statement of “being pedantic”. It fits. A lot. I was in agreement with that. The rest, I didn’t really care.

No, I did not do the same exact thing. I removed nothing from your post. Everything was kept intact when I quoted it and responded to an actual point that you in fact did make. 

If you can quote and show me (as I did here) which part of your post negates the point it looks like you made, or shows some other meaning than what you said, or even shows the meaning you actually meant, I'm open to apologizing and admitting that I got it wrong. Truly. 

In response to you trying to make it look like I'm accusing you of saying something you did not say, you said:


"It’s presumptive to assume that banning a gun commonly used in mass shootings won’t fix anything.

If we take a look at other countries who have put gun controls in place, their numbers of deaths are way, way less than those of the US. Kids aren’t being killed by these weapons in schools.

Why this type of gun? It’s easy to obtain and it kills.

Other countries have fixed, to a much better extent, gun problems.

Creating better gun controls is not taking anyone’s rights away, no matter the rhetoric that is spread.

It really boils down to the NRA and it’s die hard followers, just don’t want anything to be done. That is why they pay millions to be protected.

As far as the argument of “law abiding citizens” —Nikolas Cruz was one. By the few regulations out there, he was legally allowed to posses guns."




That's your entire post. Nothing was left out or removed, meaning I did not do what Dottyscrapper did, as you accused me of. The words you used absolutely say, they choose this gun because it's easy to get and it kills. Please explain to me how that doesn't mean they choose THIS gun because it's easy to get. What am I not understanding?

I think you and I think a lot alike.. I was thinking about this the other day and on the other thread when someone asked what's different now.. I wasn't sure how to word it. I have a cousin that teaches in Canada and another in Hong Kong as well. So very different.  
 But I also remember doing 'lunch duty' in both elementry and JR High, even if it was just taking lunch tickets or wiping down tables.  Limits of specials started when I was in HS and I graduated in 92. We had one incident where the football coach was shot during a lunch hour because he tried to intervene in a off campus gang situation that filtered on to the football field and things escalated quickly. He was ok shot in the leg.  We had gang trouble was the most I remember.
  I worry about the kids I teach in SS. They are 9. Our friends who have kids are half and half on some that home school and some public. I do think Social media is a big part. It's so weird to me that kids have phones in classes. My nephew had to get all sorts of paper work to get a pager as he's on a heart transplant and they have to have contact at all times. 
  I don't know if it's communication break down and I agree that the walk out might be good for the students but I don't know if it will change things. I do agree very much that something needs to change with background checks.. I'm still reading the other threads and other sources to understand better. Mental issue is a very personal issue as well..That's a big part no matter how you slice it at least to me.. I know some say it's not that. But I fully don't understand why it's so hard to get help.

I’d vote for that!

Who is this tyrannical leader you fear? Do you think the North Koreans are coming for you? They will destroy you before you can get your safely locked up gun in your gun safe. They won’t put boots on the ground. They’ll nuke you first. Your gun is locked up and your ammunition is safely locked elsewhere, right? Not a gun between the mattress and box spring right?

We have to vote the local legislators in who will provide sensible gun laws. It is a must.

This may be unpopular and it's definitely rambling but rather than expelling these kids and turning them loose in society, there has to be a way to monitor them or provide them with an alternative. Something. It doesn't make sense to me that we just dump them off. I'm not feeling sorry for him but clearly he had all the signs of a troubled life/home. His brother was committed briefly last week. It's not a mental illness, it sounds to me like an environmental issue-a fucked up family. I wonder how things would be different if he had been embraced in elementary school rather than bullied. I know it's not the schools job but they are bearing the brunt of these problem kids so they may as well jump in.

We must reverse the decision to stop the cdc from studying school shootings and gun violence.

And parents-we must make our children live in the real, 3 dimensional world with people and conversations and treats and friends and self confidence rather than behind a screen.

But the NRA and the AR15s have got to go.