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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 14:56:22 GMT
I don't see a substantial difference in the validity of what dottyscrapper replied to you with or without the additional info. Consider that most of us can read, and had already seen your post in its entirety. I don't think dottyscrapper's post was vindictive, malicious or deceitful. I think she simply disagreed with your interpretation and didn't care to quibble over what "is" is. *shrug* Nope. If she wasn't trying to be vindictive, malicious and deceitful, she would have left the rest of my words in, but if she had left the other words, it would contradict her point. So, yes she was being vindictive, malicious and deceitful. You don't get to lie about what I said in order to diminish me and get away with it. It doesn't work that way. What you don’t understand is you and you alone are doing a bang up job of diminishing yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 17:52:05 GMT
So, yes she was being vindictive, malicious and deceitful. You don't get to lie about what I said in order to diminish me and get away with it. It doesn't work that way. I would be very careful if I were you. Using defamatory language towards another member of this community can be classed as libelous. It's one thing calling someone an asshat or idiot but you've crossed the line in the above statement. This is me shaking in my boots. You better check YOURSELF before you go threatening me with something that applies to your own originating actions and statement. Don't like being called on being a vindictive, malicious and deceitful asshole? Then don't be a vindictive, malicious and deceitful asshole. Simple really.
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Post by happymomma on Feb 19, 2018 17:56:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 17:57:11 GMT
Nope. If she wasn't trying to be vindictive, malicious and deceitful, she would have left the rest of my words in, but if she had left the other words, it would contradict her point. So, yes she was being vindictive, malicious and deceitful. You don't get to lie about what I said in order to diminish me and get away with it. It doesn't work that way. What you don’t understand is you and you alone are doing a bang up job of diminishing yourself. I'm absolutely confident that standing up for myself with the quote of what I actually said vs. what dottyscrapper attempted to portray me as saying, is anything but diminishing. Calling someone out when they're being a vindictive, malicious and deceitful asshole toward me - also not diminishing. I'm a strong woman with a strong voice. My head is held high. What YOU don't understand is that your interpretation of me presenting facts and standing up for myself is warped beyond reality and I'M not the one diminishing myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 18:00:08 GMT
We have to vote the local legislators in who will provide sensible gun laws. It is a must.
This may be unpopular and it's definitely rambling but rather than expelling these kids and turning them loose in society, there has to be a way to monitor them or provide them with an alternative. Something. It doesn't make sense to me that we just dump them off. I'm not feeling sorry for him but clearly he had all the signs of a troubled life/home. His brother was committed briefly last week. It's not a mental illness, it sounds to me like an environmental issue-a fucked up family. I wonder how things would be different if he had been embraced in elementary school rather than bullied. I know it's not the schools job but they are bearing the brunt of these problem kids so they may as well jump in. We must reverse the decision to stop the cdc from studying school shootings and gun violence.
And parents-we must make our children live in the real, 3 dimensional world with people and conversations and treats and friends and self confidence rather than behind a screen. But the NRA and the AR15s have got to go. What do YOU, Peace Sign, consider to be a common sense gun law that doesn't already exist? The Congress lifted the ban on the CDC studying gun violence. In 2013. When Obama was President.
The results? “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.” “The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.” “There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).” Obama liked to play on the fears of people by often touting a verifiable lie and his disciples went right along with it instead of researching and employing that critical thinking that only the Right is incapable of. "We are not allowed to use any of that when it comes to guns because when you propose anything it is suggested that we are trying to wipe away gun rights and promote tyranny and martial law. Do you know that Congress will not allow the Center of Disease Control to study gun violence? They are not allowed to study it because the notion is that by studying it, the same way we do with traffic accidents, somehow that is going to lead to everyone’s guns being confiscated. If you buy a car and want to get a license—first of all you have to get a license, people have to know you know how to drive—you don’t have to do any of that in respect to buying a gun."
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 19, 2018 18:00:19 GMT
It’s not me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:21:42 GMT
The Congress lifted the ban on the CDC studying gun violence. In 2013. When Obama was President.
The results “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.” “The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.” “There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).” Obama liked to play on the fears of people by often touting a verifiable lie and his disciples went right along with it instead of researching and employing that critical thinking that only the Right is incapable of. "We are not allowed to use any of that when it comes to guns because when you propose anything it is suggested that we are trying to wipe away gun rights and promote tyranny and martial law. Do you know that Congress will not allow the Center of Disease Control to study gun violence? They are not allowed to study it because the notion is that by studying it, the same way we do with traffic accidents, somehow that is going to lead to everyone’s guns being confiscated. If you buy a car and want to get a license—first of all you have to get a license, people have to know you know how to drive—you don’t have to do any of that in respect to buying a gun." Actually that’s not true as the Atlantic pointed out... Why Can't the U.S. Treat Gun Violence as a Public-Health Problem?”
After a deadly shooting, the debate always, it seems, breaks down like this: One side argues for gun control, and the other argues there is no research proving those measures work. There is, in fact, little research into gun violence at all—especially compared to other causes of death in the United States. The modern origins of the impasse can be traced to 1996, when Congress passed an amendment to a spending bill that forbade the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using money to “advocate or promote gun control.” The National Rifle Association had pushed for the amendment, after public-health researchers produced a spate of studies suggesting that, for example, having a gun in the house increased risk of homicide and suicide. It deemed the research politically motivated. Gun-rights advocates zeroed in on statements like that of Mark Rosenberg, then the director of the CDC’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control. In response to the early ’90s crime wave, Rosenberg had said in 1994, “We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like what we did with cigarettes ... It used to be that smoking was a glamour symbol—cool, sexy, macho. Now it is dirty, deadly—and banned.” The actual amendment sponsored by Jay Dickey, a congressman from Arkansas, did not explicitly forbid research into gun-related deaths, just advocacy. But the Congress also lowered the CDC’s budget by the exact amount it spent on such research. Message received. It’s had a chilling effect on the entire field for decades. Medical and public-health professionals have been pushing back—more and more forcefully in recent years. The American Public Health Association and the American Medical Association have both taken to calling gun violence a public-health problem. In 2016, more than 100 medical organizations signed a letter to Congress asking to lift the Dickey Amendment. “We in public health count dead people. It’s one of the things we do. And we count them in order to understand how to prevent preventable deaths,” Nancy Krieger, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told NPR in 2015. The CDC is best known for fighting diseases—it’s in the name—but its public-health purview is indeed wider. The agency studies drownings, accidental falls, traumatic brain injuries, car crashes, suicides, and more. And while mass shootings grab headlines, they account for only a small fraction of the 30,000 gun deaths a year in the United States. More than half are suicides. Yet the 1996 amendment has restricted how much the CDC can focus on gun ownership as the risk factor in suicides. Researchers who do want to study gun violence have cobbled together funding from a patchwork of sources, often from private foundations. President Obama signed an executive order directing the National Institutes of Health to fund research into gun violence after the Sandy Hook shooting, but the program has since petered out. The problem, researchers say, is also a lack of data. While motor-vehicle deaths are tracked in minute detail in the Fatality Analysis Reporting System, no such comparable database exists for gun deaths. Basic questions like exactly how many households own guns are not definitively answered. Dickey, the congressman responsible for the amendment suppressing the CDC’s gun violence research, passed away last April. He had come to regret his role in the episode. In 2012, he coauthored a Washington Post op-ed with Rosenberg, the very CDC official he squared off against when passing the amendment. Together, they argued for more gun-violence research. Dickey told reporters, “I wish I had not been so reactionary.”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:28:12 GMT
What you don’t understand is you and you alone are doing a bang up job of diminishing yourself. I'm absolutely confident that standing up for myself with the quote of what I actually said vs. what dottyscrapper attempted to portray me as saying, is anything but diminishing. Calling someone out when they're being a vindictive, malicious and deceitful asshole toward me - also not diminishing. I'm a strong woman with a strong voice. My head is held high. What YOU don't understand is that your interpretation of me presenting facts and standing up for myself is warped beyond reality and I'M not the one diminishing myself. Gia your facts are so twisted it takes a contortionist to figure them out. Again you are your own worst enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 19:40:56 GMT
The Congress lifted the ban on the CDC studying gun violence. In 2013. When Obama was President.
The results “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.” “The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.” “There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).” Obama liked to play on the fears of people by often touting a verifiable lie and his disciples went right along with it instead of researching and employing that critical thinking that only the Right is incapable of. "We are not allowed to use any of that when it comes to guns because when you propose anything it is suggested that we are trying to wipe away gun rights and promote tyranny and martial law. Do you know that Congress will not allow the Center of Disease Control to study gun violence? They are not allowed to study it because the notion is that by studying it, the same way we do with traffic accidents, somehow that is going to lead to everyone’s guns being confiscated. If you buy a car and want to get a license—first of all you have to get a license, people have to know you know how to drive—you don’t have to do any of that in respect to buying a gun." Actually that’s not true as the Atlantic pointed out... Why Can't the U.S. Treat Gun Violence as a Public-Health Problem?”
After a deadly shooting, the debate always, it seems, breaks down like this: One side argues for gun control, and the other argues there is no research proving those measures work. There is, in fact, little research into gun violence at all—especially compared to other causes of death in the United States. The modern origins of the impasse can be traced to 1996, when Congress passed an amendment to a spending bill that forbade the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from using money to “advocate or promote gun control.” The National Rifle Association had pushed for the amendment, after public-health researchers produced a spate of studies suggesting that, for example, having a gun in the house increased risk of homicide and suicide. It deemed the research politically motivated. Gun-rights advocates zeroed in on statements like that of Mark Rosenberg, then the director of the CDC’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control. In response to the early ’90s crime wave, Rosenberg had said in 1994, “We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like what we did with cigarettes ... It used to be that smoking was a glamour symbol—cool, sexy, macho. Now it is dirty, deadly—and banned.” The actual amendment sponsored by Jay Dickey, a congressman from Arkansas, did not explicitly forbid research into gun-related deaths, just advocacy. But the Congress also lowered the CDC’s budget by the exact amount it spent on such research. Message received. It’s had a chilling effect on the entire field for decades. Medical and public-health professionals have been pushing back—more and more forcefully in recent years. The American Public Health Association and the American Medical Association have both taken to calling gun violence a public-health problem. In 2016, more than 100 medical organizations signed a letter to Congress asking to lift the Dickey Amendment. “We in public health count dead people. It’s one of the things we do. And we count them in order to understand how to prevent preventable deaths,” Nancy Krieger, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told NPR in 2015. The CDC is best known for fighting diseases—it’s in the name—but its public-health purview is indeed wider. The agency studies drownings, accidental falls, traumatic brain injuries, car crashes, suicides, and more. And while mass shootings grab headlines, they account for only a small fraction of the 30,000 gun deaths a year in the United States. More than half are suicides. Yet the 1996 amendment has restricted how much the CDC can focus on gun ownership as the risk factor in suicides. Researchers who do want to study gun violence have cobbled together funding from a patchwork of sources, often from private foundations. President Obama signed an executive order directing the National Institutes of Health to fund research into gun violence after the Sandy Hook shooting, but the program has since petered out. The problem, researchers say, is also a lack of data. While motor-vehicle deaths are tracked in minute detail in the Fatality Analysis Reporting System, no such comparable database exists for gun deaths. Basic questions like exactly how many households own guns are not definitively answered. Dickey, the congressman responsible for the amendment suppressing the CDC’s gun violence research, passed away last April. He had come to regret his role in the episode. In 2012, he coauthored a Washington Post op-ed with Rosenberg, the very CDC official he squared off against when passing the amendment. Together, they argued for more gun-violence research. Dickey told reporters, “I wish I had not been so reactionary.” There's nothing there that makes anything I posted untrue.
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Post by gar on Feb 19, 2018 22:10:07 GMT
At current rates the world will run out of thoughts and prayers by January 2019... Satire piece
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