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Post by blueswede on Mar 28, 2018 14:33:33 GMT
Chiming in as a Democrat. I watched the show because I liked watching the original series. Although Roseanne isn't my preferred style of humor, I did find it amusing and enjoyed the characters. I thought her Trump love was a little overbearing, but that doesn't detract from other aspects of the show that I liked. It is a good opportunity to try and understand the other side. So far, she isn't convincing me to appreciate Trump.
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Post by burningfeather on Mar 28, 2018 14:39:47 GMT
WTH? Into drama and over-blowing things much? What I choose to watch on television and support financially, because viewing numbers impact advertising dollars, is NOT a reflection of intolerance. I’m not telling people not to watch, I’m not fighting to get it pulled off the air, I’m not trying to shut it down in any way and am glad that there are people who do enjoy it. This thread was asking us whether or not we were watching and I purposefully kept my responses focused on ME and why I wasn’t watching. But you go on with your bad self and try to make my response into something it wasn’t. It certainly had nothing to do with intolerance - I’m sorry that was lost on you. When you try to make what sitcoms someone watches on television a reflection of the way they treat others, you have overreached in a colossal way. So how do you feel about people using zapper type products to change or shut down channels in restaurants and airports because they don't politically agree with what is being shown? Because that sounds like intolerance to me. There were plenty of comments on this very thread that said they wouldn't watch it because of politics and my thought was that those who don't want to learn from the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat it. Roseanne (the show) may not be your life experience, but I promise you that it's a good representation of middle or rural America and love it or hate it, there will probably be a pretty good representation about how and why the election was won or lost.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 14:41:47 GMT
I actually like Sara Gilbert's hair. I love curly hair, and I'm totally good with it being a bit unruly. Me too! I think her hair is beautiful. It is very much how her hair was on the show and how she wears it IRL. On a completely different note about the show discussion, it's disappointing to hear that people won't watch it because she is a Trump supporter. I can only assume that puts you as a democrat, a side that seems to preach tolerance. It is so unfortunate tolerance only seems to apply when it is something you agree with. We all have a wide variety of opinions, I can't imagine that everyone else that you watch on TV shares the exact same opinions as (general) you. The show is for entertainment purposes only. Plenty of other shows use the show as a platform for their political agenda... Listen, my time is limited. I choose who I give my support and money to, so if that disappoints "general" you, well, you can sit in those feelings I guess. Tolerance does not equal me allowing every voice to speak to me in my home or on my time. I do not have to define tolerance by being willing to watch a TV show starring a woman who spouts off crazy conspiracy theories and general ignorance. I just don't.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 14:43:57 GMT
WTH? Into drama and over-blowing things much? What I choose to watch on television and support financially, because viewing numbers impact advertising dollars, is NOT a reflection of intolerance. I’m not telling people not to watch, I’m not fighting to get it pulled off the air, I’m not trying to shut it down in any way and am glad that there are people who do enjoy it. This thread was asking us whether or not we were watching and I purposefully kept my responses focused on ME and why I wasn’t watching. But you go on with your bad self and try to make my response into something it wasn’t. It certainly had nothing to do with intolerance - I’m sorry that was lost on you. When you try to make what sitcoms someone watches on television a reflection of the way they treat others, you have overreached in a colossal way. So how do you feel about people using zapper type products to change or shut down channels in restaurants and airports because they don't politically agree with what is being shown? Because that sounds like intolerance to me. There were plenty of comments on this very thread that said they wouldn't watch it because of politics and my thought was that those who don't want to learn from the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat it. Roseanne (the show) may not be your life experience, but I promise you that it's a good representation of middle or rural America and love it or hate it, there will probably be a pretty good representation about how and why the election was won or lost. HAHAHAHA! Roseanne Barr is rich as fuck, so let's just blow the bloom off that rosy view that she represents "everyman." She lives in Hawaii and owns a macadamia nut farm. So don't. And, you don't know anybody's lived experience, so to assume any of us need to "learn lessons about middle America" by watching Roseanne, well, bless your heart.
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Mar 28, 2018 14:46:49 GMT
I love the show when it first aired and I loved it last night. The fact that she is a Trump supporter did not stop me from wanting to watch it, even though I detest the man. She is allowed to support anyone she wants as I am allowed to support anyone I want. It's part of the freedom of living in America and I don't judge anyone on who they voted for. I may not agree, but that's okay.
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Post by disneypal on Mar 28, 2018 14:48:33 GMT
SPOILERS BELOW! I used to watch Roseanne when it was originally on tv, but stopped before the episodes where they killed Dan, etc. I happened to catch it on tv last night and watched 3/4 of it. I don't understand the "she's for Trump, so I won't watch" but then there are millions of people watching "Will and Grace" where there's a Trump supporter too. I guess because Roseanne is a RL supporter? Anyway, what I caught up on was: yes, Roseanne is a Trump supporter and Jackie is not. Her "Nasty Woman" tank top was enough to solidify that. Darlene and her two kids move in with them because Darlene has lost her job but was making it out that she was moving in to help her parents. Her children are a daughter in high school who I didn't see much on and her 9 year old son, Mark, who likes to wear dresses and skirts. The 2nd episode was partly about him and how Dan was reacting (badly) and Mark's response to the pressure he receives from people at school, but he wanted to be who he is, the family supports him, even Dan. Becky (the original Becky) is a widower and is planning to be a surrogate to earn money ($50K), but they want to use her eggs, so then her parents are upset because that's "their" grandchild and they want to see him/her. The wife paying for everything is the old Becky, I assume this is how she will be in their lives for the show. I didn't catch anything much about DJ, he was never my favorite anyway. :X Overall? I don't think I'll set my DVR, but it was a definite modern spin on the old family. It had some funny parts that my husband and I laughed out loud at, but we'll see how it goes. Good summary.. As far as D.J. - He was in the military but recently completed his service - he is at the Conner house with his young (about 6 years old) daughter. They mentioned his wife was still in the military and serving oversees. They also mentioned that Jerry was on a fishing boat somewhere and didn't have internet/phone services. They never mentioned Fred (Jackie's ex) or their son (Andy). It implied that Darlene was separated/divorced but they didn't say that specifically. Note: I did read somewhere that Sandra Bernhard, Johnny Galecki, and Estelle Parsons (their mom) would all be on at least one episode. Didn't Becky say she was headed to work at the restaurant? I took that to mean the Lunchbox. She did but when they showed her at work, she was working at a Mexican restaurant as a waitress.
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 28, 2018 14:52:02 GMT
Did you know Johnny Galecki (David) is the highest paid actor on TV? Hasn’t done too bad for himself... Is he really?? I though Jim Parsons would be more, if not the same as him especially since he's won more Emmys for that role than Galecki has. Has Galecki even won an Emmy for that role? Jim, Johnny and Kaley all make the same amount per episode on BBT.
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Post by burningfeather on Mar 28, 2018 14:53:58 GMT
HAHAHAHA! Roseanne Barr is rich as fuck, so let's just blow the bloom off that rosy view that she represents "everyman." She lives in Hawaii and owns a macadamia nut farm. So don't. And, you don't know anybody's lived experience, so to assume any of us need to "learn lessons about middle America" by watching Roseanne, well, bless your heart. For someone who didn't watch it, you seem to have a lot of opinions about it. I didn't say Roseanne herself represented anything. I said the show did. And it does represent the conversation that is going on in a lot of homes. But whatever. Continue to shut down any viewpoint that doesn't agree with yours. I'm not the one that is knee deep in negative threads about the state of their lives every day.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Mar 28, 2018 14:54:08 GMT
I loved the original show and I enjoyed the new one so far. I do hope that they don't make the whole show political though. When I found out that they cast Debbie from Shameless as Harris I was disappointed because I can't stand her on Shameless and sure enough I can't stand her on this show. I do think they hit the mark on her looking exactly like Darlene/David though.
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Post by elaine on Mar 28, 2018 14:55:40 GMT
WTH? Into drama and over-blowing things much? What I choose to watch on television and support financially, because viewing numbers impact advertising dollars, is NOT a reflection of intolerance. I’m not telling people not to watch, I’m not fighting to get it pulled off the air, I’m not trying to shut it down in any way and am glad that there are people who do enjoy it. This thread was asking us whether or not we were watching and I purposefully kept my responses focused on ME and why I wasn’t watching. But you go on with your bad self and try to make my response into something it wasn’t. It certainly had nothing to do with intolerance - I’m sorry that was lost on you. When you try to make what sitcoms someone watches on television a reflection of the way they treat others, you have overreached in a colossal way. So how do you feel about people using zapper type products to change or shut down channels in restaurants and airports because they don't politically agree with what is being shown? Because that sounds like intolerance to me. There were plenty of comments on this very thread that said they wouldn't watch it because of politics and my thought was that those who don't want to learn from the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat it. Roseanne (the show) may not be your life experience, but I promise you that it's a good representation of middle or rural America and love it or hate it, there will probably be a pretty good representation about how and why the election was won or lost. Man, the drama is high today! To be clear without bringing in things that have absofuckinglutely nothing to do with what has been said in this thread: I was passive-aggressively accused of being intolerant because I simply shared why I was not watching Roseanne. I didn’t tell others not to watch. I didn’t say it shouldn’t be on the air. I didn’t say anything about people who do choose to watch it. If you want to drag a recently-deceased pea into this discussion, that is your choice, but I find it a deplorable thing to do. If you want to represent Trump-supporters as being compassionate, that certainly isn’t the way to do it, in my opinion. I lived in Ohio for 6 years. And you know what? That is the only place I’ve lived where I had a white supremacist sticker stuck on my windshield, blocking the driver’s view until it was scraped off. It was the only place I lived where KKK was painted on the side of my truck in acid, so that I had to repaint it, because I’m Jewish. I think that I understand a side of middle America that you don’t. Bless your heart.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 14:58:25 GMT
HAHAHAHA! Roseanne Barr is rich as fuck, so let's just blow the bloom off that rosy view that she represents "everyman." She lives in Hawaii and owns a macadamia nut farm. So don't. And, you don't know anybody's lived experience, so to assume any of us need to "learn lessons about middle America" by watching Roseanne, well, bless your heart. But whatever. Continue to shut down any viewpoint that doesn't agree with yours. I'm not the one that is knee deep in negative threads about the state of their lives every day.Oh my! Yeah, that's not me, either, but what an interesting thing to say! I'm not telling anybody not to watch, so I'm not sure how I'm "shutting down" viewpoints. Y'all wanna watch, watch! I'm saying I don't want to watch and why, and fielding comments about how "disappointing" and "intolerant" I am because of that. So... who's shutting what down now? Hilarious.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 14:59:39 GMT
So how do you feel about people using zapper type products to change or shut down channels in restaurants and airports because they don't politically agree with what is being shown? Because that sounds like intolerance to me. There were plenty of comments on this very thread that said they wouldn't watch it because of politics and my thought was that those who don't want to learn from the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat it. Roseanne (the show) may not be your life experience, but I promise you that it's a good representation of middle or rural America and love it or hate it, there will probably be a pretty good representation about how and why the election was won or lost. Man, the drama is high today! To be clear without bringing in things that have absofuckinglutely nothing to do with what has been said in this thread: I was passive-aggressively accused of being intolerant because I simply shared why I was not watching Roseanne. I didn’t tell others not to watch. I didn’t say it shouldn’t be on the air. I didn’t say anything about people who do choose to watch it. If you want to drag a recently-deceased pea into this discussion, that is your choice, but I find it a deplorable thing to do. If you want to represent Trump-supporters as being compassionate, that certainly isn’t the way to do it, in my opinion. I lived in Ohio for 6 years. And you know what? That is the only place I’ve lived where I had a white supremacist sticker stuck on my windshield, blocking the driver’s view until it was scraped off. It was the only place I lived where KKK was painted on the side of my truck in acid, so that I had to repaint it, because I’m Jewish. I think that I understand a side of middle America that you don’t. Bless your heart. SO much heart blessing needs to happen today. SO MUCH.
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Post by burningfeather on Mar 28, 2018 15:00:23 GMT
I brought a product and a recent topic up for discussion Elaine. You brought a person into it.
And way not to answer the question.
And what's with all the Bless Your Heart bullshit going on. You all think you are clever. You aren't.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 28, 2018 15:11:39 GMT
I didn't catch anything much about DJ, he was never my favorite anyway. He was there briefly. He has a wife who is also military (as is he) that is still overseas. Supposedly she is the girl he refused to kiss in an episode and Roseanne and Dan thought it was because she was african american. They have a daughter who was in the first episode also. I hope that is true! I love the idea of that!!!
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Post by scrappert on Mar 28, 2018 15:14:48 GMT
I watched it and enjoyed it. I told everyone what what going down for an hour and to leave me alone!! (They did good, too - except the dogs... ) I will continue to watch it and it really reminds me of my family growing up.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 28, 2018 15:35:14 GMT
I think it's great that Trump-supporting characters will be represented in a TV show. Seriously. My policy is to draw a distinction both between characters and actors/directors AND between political disagreement and dangerous opinions, So, I make intentional efforts not to financially support the work of Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson. Or that cad Roman Polanski. I WILL support Clint Eastwood. He not dangerous; I just don't agree with him. I had absolutely no opinion about Roseanne Barr, so I just did some googling. Yowza! Now I would put her squarely in the Mel Gibson category. (Interesting: she has deleted some tweets since the reboot got off the ground.) Doesn't really matter. I wasn't interested in the reboot, anyway. Maybe if they brought George Clooney back to the show. (No, not because he's liberal; because of the way he looked/looks.)
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2018 15:45:22 GMT
Living where I Do, the conners are a lot like the people around me (except update the hideous wallpaper, please).
The conversations, the money stress at times, the Trump supporting...if you live in a liberal big city and want to know who the Hell would support trump...well here ya go.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 28, 2018 15:52:54 GMT
I liked the show, there were a few really funny moments. If I can watch Will and Grace with Karen being a Trump supporter, I can watch this. I don’t think Rosanne Barr being a Trump supporter in real life is worth not watching a show over. I love the Middle and I am pretty sure I would disagree with Patricia Heaton on a lot of political issues. Same with Tim Allen, I think he is pretty staunchly republican too. And don’t get me started on the nonsense Adam Baldwin (my beloved Jayne from Firefly) believes. Uck.
In any event, I liked the show and loved the issue of Mark dressing in “girl” clothes. As someone who works with children and is seeing this more and more, I was incredibly glad to see it as a main story point and in such a tender and loving way. It showed how one parent can be totally cool with it, how one family member has a hard time with it, and how other kids react. I also like that it resulted in the kid not caring and just being who they are. Made my heart happy.
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Post by MizIndependent on Mar 28, 2018 15:56:41 GMT
I don't watch much tv but I do want to see this reboot. Will be catching in on Hulu tonight. Roseanne isn't my favorite kind of humor but she's usually on the mark where Middle America is concerned and since Jackie is purported to be a Clinton supporter and of course Roseanne is a Trump supporter, I think it will be an interesting dynamic to follow since that is what most of us face every day as well. I'll have to see what I think tomorrow after I watch it but I do think the set up is interesting. Watching how these characters handle such a volatile topic could really be edifying. There is an opportunity here for people to see the two sides come back together on what's really important - love and family - and how we should be respecting others instead of tearing them down. At least that's what I hope I see.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 28, 2018 15:56:56 GMT
I love mark and his clothes and the way that Roseanne and Dan handled it on air. I think many people, especially older ones, would have issues with it and worry about their grandkids (or any kid). I liked how they struggled with It, but never let it get in the way of their love. Pretending everyone is cool with it like darlene is unrealistic.
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Post by elaine on Mar 28, 2018 15:59:38 GMT
I brought a product and a recent topic up for discussion Elaine. You brought a person into it. And way not to answer the question. And what's with all the Bless Your Heart bullshit going on. You all think you are clever. You aren't. What does that question have to do with the discussion of whether not watching Roseanne makes one intolerant? You are the one who thinks you are clever - that was a very poorly disguised “gotcha” question. If you are so interested in my answer, go read that thread. You will be surprised to find no confirmation of your suppositions about me and my thoughts. And to claim that you weren’t bringing Virginia into it is utter bullshit. Own your own shit. And to further dispute your assumption that I know little of rural America, we own a house in a town in rural WV with a population of a whopping 1,750 and have family there. I spend time there each month and weeks there during the summer and holidays. I’m thinking that 20 years gives me a window into rural Appalachia.
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Post by mlynn on Mar 28, 2018 16:00:54 GMT
Didn't Leon buy them out of the Lunchbox?
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Post by burningfeather on Mar 28, 2018 16:09:08 GMT
And to further dispute your assumption that I know little of rural America, we own a house in a town in rural WV with a population of a whopping 1,750 and have family there. I spend time there each month and weeks there during the summer and holidays. Oh excuse me, you are right - you own a house in West Virginia and go there for holidays and during the summer. You are definitely a real midwesterner. That just smacks of "I have black friends." I brought up the Zapper because you (or someone) brought up "I'm not trying to stop other people from watching it." It's relevant.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 16:21:39 GMT
And to further dispute your assumption that I know little of rural America, we own a house in a town in rural WV with a population of a whopping 1,750 and have family there. I spend time there each month and weeks there during the summer and holidays. Oh excuse me, you are right - you own a house in West Virginia and go there for holidays and during the summer. You are definitely a real midwesterner. That just smacks of "I have black friends." I brought up the Zapper because you (or someone) brought up "I'm not trying to stop other people from watching it." It's relevant.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 28, 2018 16:36:00 GMT
I liked the show, there were a few really funny moments. If I can watch Will and Grace with Karen being a Trump supporter, I can watch this. I don’t think Rosanne Barr being a Trump supporter in real life is worth not watching a show over. I love the Middle and I am pretty sure I would disagree with Patricia Heaton on a lot of political issues. Same with Tim Allen, I think he is pretty staunchly republican too. —————————- Yes to all of that. The Middle is my favorite sit-com on tv right now. I think it is well done and pretty funny most of the time. I thought Tim Allen’s latest show was also well done (I never quite got into it though, so I stopped watching after the 1st season). I just make sure to avoid seeing the actors themselves on morning shows and avoid reading interviews by them. I don’t want their personal politics to color my enjoyment of their shows. I can do the same with Roseanne.
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Post by Merge on Mar 28, 2018 16:53:45 GMT
Grew up in working class Midwest, never found Roseanne funny, so don’t plan to watch this version either. The fact that I find her politics distasteful doesn’t weigh into it.
I do distinctly recall that the politics of the first version of the show were often considered too liberal by the staunch conservatives in my family, so I find it funny that she’s now a Trump supporter. Part of me wonders if she’s really all about just getting attention.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 28, 2018 16:56:51 GMT
Grew up in working class Midwest, never found Roseanne funny, so don’t plan to watch this version either. The fact that I find her politics distasteful doesn’t weigh into it. I do distinctly recall that the politics of the first version of the show were often considered too liberal by the staunch conservatives in my family, so I find it funny that she’s now a Trump supporter. Part of me wonders if she’s really all about just getting attention. LOL, ya think?
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Post by padresfan619 on Mar 28, 2018 17:02:44 GMT
I never watched Roseanne when it was originally on so I don’t plan on watching the reboot. I also have a hard time with her after her national anthem performance that happened in San Diego in the 90s.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 28, 2018 17:19:35 GMT
You are the one who thinks you are clever - that was a very poorly disguised “gotcha” question. If you are so interested in my answer, go read that thread. You will be surprised to find no confirmation of your suppositions about me and my thoughts. And to claim that you weren’t bringing Virginia into it is utter bullshit. Own your own shit. What the what?
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Post by elaine on Mar 28, 2018 17:36:34 GMT
And to further dispute your assumption that I know little of rural America, we own a house in a town in rural WV with a population of a whopping 1,750 and have family there. I spend time there each month and weeks there during the summer and holidays. Oh excuse me, you are right - you own a house in West Virginia and go there for holidays and during the summer. You are definitely a real midwesterner. That just smacks of "I have black friends." I brought up the Zapper because you (or someone) brought up "I'm not trying to stop other people from watching it." It's relevant. You usually own your own stuff - surprising that you don’t here, but dragging Virginia in was the lowest thing you have done, IMO. The zapper has NEVER had anything to do with ME, nor with anything I said on this thread. Seriously, it was a scummy moment.
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