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Post by lauradrumm on May 16, 2018 3:33:08 GMT
I’ll bet there are extra charges for fraud across state lines (if I understand it correctly shes set up an account in a different state?).
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Post by lauradrumm on May 16, 2018 3:33:57 GMT
Have you googled her?
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 16, 2018 3:55:53 GMT
She's awful. Thanks for taking care of the kids and pops, too. You're the right person for the job. You are showing them more motherly love and guidance than they've ever received. As for finding her -- do you have a somewhat recent photo? This might be one of those times to make social media work for you. Make a public post and ask for it to be shared. You don't want to tip her off that the law is after her. Maybe cook up some BS story about dad being really sick and the family is looking for her to come to his bedside. Final wishes, heartstrings kind of stuff that will get people to share it. Someone, somewhere will have seen her. She won't be able to resist showing up to try to cash in on any death benefit there might be. This makes me wonder if she also forged / convinced him to change the beneficiaries listed on any life insurance policies, etc. he might have so that she would solely benefit if he died? That would be something else to look into too. People who do this kind of thing make me sick. How horrible. I hope she is caught quickly and brought to justice. |
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Post by tuesdaysgone on May 16, 2018 9:50:26 GMT
Incredibly sad story and I'm so glad you are there to step in and try to get things resolved for him. Hopefully there's a special place in hell for pieces of crap who take advantage of children and the elderly.
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Post by gailoh on May 16, 2018 11:01:52 GMT
This makes me wonder if she also forged / convinced him to change the beneficiaries listed on any life insurance policies, etc. he might have so that she would solely benefit if he died? That would be something else to look into too. People who do this kind of thing make me sick. How horrible. I hope she is caught quickly and brought to justice. crazy4scraps said the above statement and I agree...ask him if he changed his will etc... |
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Post by peppermintpatty on May 16, 2018 11:14:53 GMT
I have a question. I'm wondering how he never took his meds. If he had 3 surgeries, there would have been lots of pre-op information and he would have told his doctor he wasn't taking the meds and the doctor would have dealt with that (followed up with the pharmacy). While what the daughter did is beyond disgusting, how is it that the doctor isn't negligent for not making sure the patient was getting the medication that he needed?
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Post by purplebee on May 16, 2018 11:15:53 GMT
Holy crap! What a piece of work. Sure hope she trips up and gets caught. Bless you, Genny for looking after the boy and his Grandpa. Like others have said, there's a special place in hell for scum like her. Keep us updated!
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Post by maryannscraps on May 16, 2018 11:29:20 GMT
I have a question. I'm wondering how he never took his meds. If he had 3 surgeries, there would have been lots of pre-op information and he would have told his doctor he wasn't taking the meds and the doctor would have dealt with that (followed up with the pharmacy). While what the daughter did is beyond disgusting, how is it that the doctor isn't negligent for not making sure the patient was getting the medication that he needed? I'm going to speculate that he has diabetes (just because I know a few people who lost limbs due to uncontrolled diabetes.) I imagine that the doctors were looking at it as a patient whose diabetes couldn't be brought under control; that's not uncommon. I don't think it was the doctor's fault that he was non compliant. They can't force you to take care of yourself. Unless he specifically told them or the pharmacy that he wasn't getting the pills, how would they even know? But it sounds as if there was a lot of confusion on his part, placed there by his daughter. . His daughter is the one and only one to blame here. She was supposed to be looking out for him and lied and stole from him instead. No doubt she was telling him all kinds of lies about why he wasn't getting his medications, which he believed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 11:36:44 GMT
Can you get new prescriptions and cancel the old ones so she can't refill or transfer the ones she knows about?
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 12:43:58 GMT
I could just cry. That poor man. Is he going to get his money now? Yes, we have the funds being directed to his new account for his June disability check. She already got May's deposit, but now she can't get on to his E benefits with the VA anymore to change the deposit account again. |
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 12:46:07 GMT
Ya know, you should post a picture of her on Facebook with something like *Has anyone seen this woman?* and ask people to share it. Someone will know where she is. Let the Peas know because we cover every square mile of these United States. What she did is heartbreaking.  His granddaughter has done that regularly since they found out what was going on. But her mom blocked her on FB so she can't tag her anymore and no one has responded as having seen her. Lots of ppl saying oh i know her, i'll keep an eye out, but no sightings yet. |
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 12:47:41 GMT
Can you get new prescriptions and cancel the old ones so she can't refill or transfer the ones she knows about? Yes ma'am, they did all that in the beginning. Such a damn shame. his whole life has been turned upside down. And unraveling every little piece of his has been so hard. She had her claws in so damn deep to every aspect of his life and he was blind to it for so long. |
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 12:55:21 GMT
I have a question. I'm wondering how he never took his meds. If he had 3 surgeries, there would have been lots of pre-op information and he would have told his doctor he wasn't taking the meds and the doctor would have dealt with that (followed up with the pharmacy). While what the daughter did is beyond disgusting, how is it that the doctor isn't negligent for not making sure the patient was getting the medication that he needed? I'm going to speculate that he has diabetes (just because I know a few people who lost limbs due to uncontrolled diabetes.) I imagine that the doctors were looking at it as a patient whose diabetes couldn't be brought under control; that's not uncommon. I don't think it was the doctor's fault that he was non compliant. They can't force you to take care of yourself. Unless he specifically told them or the pharmacy that he wasn't getting the pills, how would they even know? But it sounds as if there was a lot of confusion on his part, placed there by his daughter. . His daughter is the one and only one to blame here. She was supposed to be looking out for him and lied and stole from him instead. No doubt she was telling him all kinds of lies about why he wasn't getting his medications, which he believed. This about sums it up peppermintpatty - she would say it had been stolen or was on back order from the pharmacy, he'd get it sometimes but not all the time. I think she was smart enough to know she couldn't keep all of it every month so she gave it to him sporadically. and I do believe that the drs believed he wasn't taking care of himself, checking his sugar, taking meds or eating right. Again though, I wasn't involved at the point all of this happened. I hadn't even met him yet, but my own two children had become friends with him through his grandkids so I'd heard all about him and then this story started unfolding… |
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 13:09:45 GMT
I’ll bet there are extra charges for fraud across state lines (if I understand it correctly shes set up an account in a different state?). I thought so too that's why I 'm going back to the police with the new info we learned from the VA on Friday! |
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Post by schizo319 on May 16, 2018 13:38:12 GMT
Check and see if there might be a private investigator in your area who would help. We recently had a woman go missing in my area and a local PI took on the case pro-bono to find her. The PI was able to find the woman (tragically no longer living) within days of taking the case when law enforcement had been involved for nearly a month with no success.
I sincerely hope this gentleman gets justice for all that's happened to him - thank you for stepping in to help. My heart just breaks over the whole situation.
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 13:59:17 GMT
Aren't these federal crimes? Are your local police the ones you go to when a federal crime has been committed? Sue that was my thought as well, and I don't know the answer. I wasn't involved at the time of the initial police report and am trying to get an appointment with the financial crimes investigator to ask more questions, including this one! I considered calling the police dept in Woodland Tx myself then figured Id better back down and see what the local police have to say first - there is probably protocol for this The hard part about all of this at this point is that I have to leave work, drive across town and pick him up to take him anywhere or depend on his granddaughter to take him and meet me anytime I need to speak to someone. He wants to give me power of attorney so that I can speak on his behalf without us all having to jump through these hoops. His GD is a full time student and works full time so her schedule is hard to work with, as is mine! not to mention it's really hard getting him in and out of the car alone. I've tried and thank God he was a wonderful sense of humor bc it was a disaster. I agreed to temporary, limited POA just until i can get the mess untangled as much as I can. We are doing that this week as well. When I first got involved i thought - ok I'll take this one thing at a time, unravel that knot then move on to the next item. It's too much to tackle all at once! Then once I started getting more details I realized every part of this is time sensitive and needs to get handled right away before she gets one more dollar, messes up his credit even more or just does any more damage in general. It's insane and time consuming - I really wish I could take 3 or 4 days off work in a row and just work on nothing else but that's not an option so I'm just doing what I can. Someone asked about life insurance - yes he has a small burial policy of which she is the beneficiary. That's on his to-do list this week! Last night we talked about giving his Granddaughter (22) durable POA. He had a stroke in January after finding out another particularly disturbing part of this mess (I forgot that part in the original story) and they found out that his daughter was listed as next of kin with the hospital. They got all that changed with the hospital and his doctors. But he doesn't have a will so that's something we are going to do right away as well. I'm jut going to buy a simple will packet from Office Max for now (just in case) and once he starts getting his money he will have a lawyer draw one up. SO much to think about and consider! The questions just keep coming to mind and I jot them down so I can address when I can get the particular agency - whether it's the police, the bank, the lawyer, the VA - to talk to me. Thanks for all the well wishes and advice and suggestions. I'm still trying to read and reply, but I'm also working so bear with me. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 16, 2018 13:59:35 GMT
They aren't actively looking, they are just waiting for her to get caught doing something else wrong - and she usually does. And yes, the older brother and sister have filed a report with CPS in regards to the little ones. Huh? She has already done quite a bit of financial damage. I don’t understand this at all. She has committed thousands of dollars of theft, why aren’t they looking for her? Your daughter’s bf’s dad’s tax dollars should buy him a little respect and some action on their part. There has to be something missing to the story. Unfortunately my experience with thousands of dollars of fraud, stolen identity, etc is pretty similar. They'll issue a warrant, but really don't devote a lot of man hours to actually hunting and finding the person to arrest them. Police departments are often understaffed and devote the time they have to violent crimes. Obviously ever jurisdiction is going to be different in how many man hours they have to devote to financial crimes. |
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 14:00:38 GMT
Check and see if there might be a private investigator in your area who would help. We recently had a woman go missing in my area and a local PI took on the case pro-bono to find her. The PI was able to find the woman (tragically no longer living) within days of taking the case when law enforcement had been involved for nearly a month with no success. I sincerely hope this gentleman gets justice for all that's happened to him - thank you for stepping in to help. My heart just breaks over the whole situation. That's a really good idea. I have a friend on the police force who might be able to suggest someone that could help. His funds are extremely limited right now, but it's possible if someone could start and let him pay later? Or at a reduced rate or something. Thanks for the suggestion! |
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 14:17:45 GMT
Huh? She has already done quite a bit of financial damage. I don’t understand this at all. She has committed thousands of dollars of theft, why aren’t they looking for her? Your daughter’s bf’s dad’s tax dollars should buy him a little respect and some action on their part. There has to be something missing to the story. Unfortunately my experience with thousands of dollars of fraud, stolen identity, etc is pretty similar. They'll issue a warrant, but really don't devote a lot of man hours to actually hunting and finding the person to arrest them. Police departments are often understaffed and devote the time they have to violent crimes. Obviously ever jurisdiction is going to be different in how many man hours they have to devote to financial crimes. is one of the posts I have been meaning to get back and respond to. Apparently they checked her last known residence (which of course she had fled at a moments notice, leaving behind a hoarder style mess and all the kids toys, most of their clothes and pretty much everything she couldn't grab in just a couple of minutes). She was last seen at her oldest daughters house about 20 miles from here so they went there but she was already gone. The oldest daughter was arrested (not the one I am working with her and her brother) because she was also on bank video withdrawing money from her grandfathers account with the 'lost' (stolen) debit card. She bonded out and is waiting for her court date, but claims she has no idea where her mother is now. I'm not saying there is not more to the story as you said, but this is the story as I know it at this time. All I've left out is names and exact dollar amounts in regards to the financial part. I was not involved in the initial police report and have had no contact with the police on his behalf yet. I have questions as well. I don't understand why more is not being done to find the children she has (she is with the father of one the youngest child) with her or to find her for all these charges. darcy collins is probably right in her assessment. I know for a fact, because it is currently widely discussed with our upcoming mayoral race, that our PD is severely understaffed right now and that could have some bearing? I just don't know but I intend to find out more! And I couldn't agree with you more about Pop's tax dollars AND his service being deserving of a little more expediency! |
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Post by freebird on May 16, 2018 15:08:09 GMT
Thank you for all the work you've done. You're his hero.
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Post by hdoublej on May 16, 2018 15:10:42 GMT
This is just terrible! I don't understand how people can do such things, especially to family. Thank you for helping him!
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Post by underwatermama on May 16, 2018 15:26:18 GMT
I am so glad you are involved in helping him.
One tip (if it hasn't already been shared above), is to make sure his bank account(s) have a verbal password in case she tries to call in and change any information/make transfers, withdrawals, etc. Also make sure that his email has a new, strong password and that any email accounts connected to it (like in case you are locked out) are to a safe email and not to one she set up and has access to. Have him lock down his credit so that no new accounts can be opened as well as report it to the IRS in case she decides to try and file a false tax return down the road.
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Post by River on May 16, 2018 16:11:43 GMT
Thank god they have you now! Thank you for all you are doing to help out this man and his other family.
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Post by shevy on May 16, 2018 16:22:38 GMT
Huh? She has already done quite a bit of financial damage. I don’t understand this at all. She has committed thousands of dollars of theft, why aren’t they looking for her? Your daughter’s bf’s dad’s tax dollars should buy him a little respect and some action on their part. There has to be something missing to the story. Unfortunately my experience with thousands of dollars of fraud, stolen identity, etc is pretty similar. They'll issue a warrant, but really don't devote a lot of man hours to actually hunting and finding the person to arrest them. Police departments are often understaffed and devote the time they have to violent crimes. Obviously ever jurisdiction is going to be different in how many man hours they have to devote to financial crimes. From my experience, Darcy is correct. At times, family members speaking for the elderly person, who know about he financial abuse, have to work very hard to get the person investigated. It's not the top of the list for things that investigators spend time on with all the other crime that goes on. And some of the abuse/theft is really sophisticated. I have a guy who would work for those tub with a door companies. He would go to different cities in the state for their home shows. He would really look for the elderly. When he had one, he would go to their house and 'talk' about the tub for a long time and befriend them. He would get them to buy the tub, but in the process of befriending them, he would get them to give him money. Sometimes they would give him their entire savings over a 3-4 month period, after listening to his sob story or his financial plan or whatever. Then he would move on to the next one. The elderly person wouldn't want to admit to family members that they were swindled, legally they gave him the money, there was no document about paying it back, they'd have to prove the elderly person had diminished capacity, and then they couldn't find him.
While supervising him, he was ordered not to work as a salesman. But he would say he was going to the home shows to give talks about how to be a good salesman. And I couldn't deny him this. But I would get calls from sons and daughters all over the state about how he was doing the same thing. And eventually an elderly person got smart had had him sign a document about replaying so he could be easily charged with a new crime.
Our society used to respect and hold our elderly in high esteem for all that they had gone through and their years of taking care of the younger generation. It appears that now, the elderly are easy victims and no longer off limits for crime.
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 16:40:58 GMT
I am so glad you are involved in helping him. One tip (if it hasn't already been shared above), is to make sure his bank account(s) have a verbal password in case she tries to call in and change any information/make transfers, withdrawals, etc. Also make sure that his email has a new, strong password and that any email accounts connected to it (like in case you are locked out) are to a safe email and not to one she set up and has access to. Have him lock down his credit so that no new accounts can be opened as well as report it to the IRS in case she decides to try and file a false tax return down the road. Excellent tips, thank you! I have locked his credit and we are using either my or his granddaughters email address and have made all security questions specific to US and not him so she can't possibly guess the answers. Have not even thought about the IRS, thanks! |
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Post by genny on May 16, 2018 16:47:20 GMT
Check and see if there might be a private investigator in your area who would help. We recently had a woman go missing in my area and a local PI took on the case pro-bono to find her. The PI was able to find the woman (tragically no longer living) within days of taking the case when law enforcement had been involved for nearly a month with no success. I sincerely hope this gentleman gets justice for all that's happened to him - thank you for stepping in to help. My heart just breaks over the whole situation. Quoting you again, sorry! I had a light bulb moment and remembered that I know a bail bondsman…so i called him and asked him if he could point me in the right direction. He is already looking for her (because finding people is what he does!) and not charging us anything! He is a veteran as well and is pissed! thanks again! |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 16, 2018 16:53:00 GMT
He is already looking for her (because finding people is what he does!) and not charging us anything! He is a veteran as well and is pissed! that is wonderful news! I hope he has good luck, and finds her quickly!! |
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Post by schizo319 on May 16, 2018 17:20:59 GMT
Quoting you again, sorry! I had a light bulb moment and remembered that I know a bail bondsman…so i called him and asked him if he could point me in the right direction. He is already looking for her (because finding people is what he does!) and not charging us anything! He is a veteran as well and is pissed! thanks again! No apology necessary! I'm so glad you've found someone to help! Best of luck to you all. |
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Post by gizzy on May 16, 2018 18:09:42 GMT
I don't have any tips, just wanted to chime in and say that I'm glad he has you now. My stomach is tight just reading some of what she has done to her own father. Her and her daughter are scum. Hopefully the bail bondsman will have more luck in finding her.
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Post by Lexica on May 16, 2018 18:34:29 GMT
What an infuriating and heartbreaking situation. Bless you for working with these kids to help their grandpa, and all while you are holding down your job and personal responsibilities.
If there is any type of grunt work required that can be done by anyone else, I would be 100% willing to make phone calls, do online research and write you a synopsis, or anything else to assist you in this. I am so disgusted and pissed off by this woman. I’m retired, so I could take on whatever you needed to support you in this. I’m sure I’m not the only one here that would be willing to help. I Imagine you could put the peas to the task to assist you on any research you needed.
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