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Post by PeachStatePea on Jun 18, 2018 23:01:19 GMT
I'm aghast at what is going on at the border. It's an ugly mess. I thought that went without saying.
My only comment was about Laura Bush, who has always held herself above politics, jumping in with both feet to decry a policy put in place by her husband.
I'm not looking to debate anyone or be insulted so I'll bow out.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 18, 2018 23:03:20 GMT
Oh yeah right. The parents who are schlepping these kids illegally into the country bear no responsibility at all. It's all the fault of the big bad Republicans and the evil US. I don't disagree with this. It is illegal. And I do absolutely want it controlled. But we have to do it in a way that humane. And we need to be sensitive. These people are not a normal "criminal". Can you imagine what you must feel to leave almost everything you own behind, including your extended family, risk your life and that of your children all in search of a better life? What must your living conditions be to want to come here and pick lettuce for under minimum wage and that life be better than what you're leaving? I feel sorry for them in many ways. I wish we could do more outreach to these countries. Teach their leaders about democracy and modern technology. Help them raise their people up. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:03:57 GMT
PeachStatePea, you shouldn't have to bow out of this thread. This thread is supposed to be for people like you. Let Olan and Gar bow out and go back to the hundreds of threads where they can speak with people of like mind and berate conservatives to your heart's content.
If you leave, they win. What they want is to shut down any dissenting points of view and this thread is a threat to them. That's why they keep coming here to bash people like you.
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:06:14 GMT
Oh yeah right. The parents who are schlepping these kids illegally into the country bear no responsibility at all. It's all the fault of the big bad Republicans and the evil US. I don't disagree with this. It is illegal. And I do absolutely want it controlled. But we have to do it in a way that humane. And we need to be sensitive. These people are not a normal "criminal". Can you imagine what you must feel to leave almost everything you own behind, including your extended family, risk your life and that of your children all in search of a better life? What must your living conditions be to want to come here and pick lettuce for under minimum wage and that life be better than what you're leaving? I feel sorry for them in many ways. I wish we could do more outreach to these countries. Teach their leaders about democracy and modern technology. Help them raise their people up. Jeremy's girl, we cannot continue to take care of the entire world. Other countries do not want our interference. We have to stop blaming our own country for all of the ills in the world and for everything we do. The US did not ask these people to come. Mexico has shown us unequivocally that they will not intercede to keep their citizens home nor will they make any changes in their own country to keep these people there0. In fact, their presidents consistently bash the US for trying to stop illegal immigration. Teaching the rest of the world about democracy is not our right or responsibility. Frankly, the leaders of countries like Mexico are not interested. They benefit substantially by having their citizens illegally enter this country. We are the only country in the world who is berated for any attempts to control their borders. At some point, enough is enough. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 18, 2018 23:06:31 GMT
I'm aghast at what is going on at the border. It's an ugly mess. I thought that went without saying. My only comment was about Laura Bush, who has always held herself above politics, jumping in with both feet to decry a policy put in place by her husband. I'm not looking to debate anyone or be insulted so I'll bow out. No you actually have to say it. You can't start talking about human trafficking instead of the issue of separating children from their parents and then act all hurt when someone questions what the Laura Bush agenda could be. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:08:51 GMT
Peach Tree, put her on ignore. She's got a chip on her shoulder the size of Africa. She is hate-filled and wants to run you off. Don't let her.
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Post by mamater on Jun 18, 2018 23:12:21 GMT
This is a public site. If you don’t want anyone to disagree with you, take it private.
I find this whole issue inhumane and disgusting. I find anyone who is defending it to be the same.
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Post by Olan on Jun 18, 2018 23:13:45 GMT
No one wants to debate because deep down you know how unjustifiable this is. Many of you are too chicken to speak frankly about what drives your "immigration concerns" so a real conversation is impossible anyway. You should all be ashamed and your behavior in this thread kinda points to the fact that you are.
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:15:21 GMT
No one wants to debate because deep down you know how unjustifiable this is. Many of you are too chicken to speak frankly about what drives your "immigration concerns" so a real conversation is impossible anyway. You should all be ashamed and your behavior in this thread kinda points to the fact that you are. I don't want to debate with "you" because you're a hate-filled black woman who can't see beyond who own all-consuming dislike of white people. |
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Post by mom on Jun 18, 2018 23:16:52 GMT
No one wants to debate because deep down you know how unjustifiable this is. Many of you are too chicken to speak frankly about what drives your "immigration concerns" so a real conversation is impossible anyway. You should all be ashamed and your behavior in this thread kinda points to the fact that you are. I don't want to debate with "you" because you're a hate-filled black woman who can't see beyond who own all-consuming dislike of white people. Please don't bring her race into this. Yes, I know she did this first, but it isn't right. Put her on ignore and move on. SaveSave |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:16:59 GMT
This is a public site. If you don’t want anyone to disagree with you, take it private. I find this whole issue inhumane and disgusting. I find anyone who is defending it to be the same. And I really care what you think of it or me. Tell me, what have you done, other than to call those who may disagree with you disgusting, to help these kids? What have you done to deal with our immigration system? What have you done other than be a bitch to people on a message board to make the system better so that this country isn't the world's dumping ground? |
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Post by libby on Jun 18, 2018 23:17:10 GMT
No one wants to debate because deep down you know how unjustifiable this is. Many of you are too chicken to speak frankly about what drives your "immigration concerns" so a real conversation is impossible anyway. You should all be ashamed and your behavior in this thread kinda points to the fact that you are. So in your mind only white people have to take responsibility...is that what you are saying? |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:18:14 GMT
I don't want to debate with "you" because you're a hate-filled black woman who can't see beyond who own all-consuming dislike of white people. Please don't bring her race into this. Yes, I know she did this first, but it isn't right. Put her on ignore and move on. SaveSaveMom, there are a great many African Americans on this board and for all the rest of them, I'd agree with you. But not for Olan. The fact that she is a black woman and that she hates whites is what fuels just about all of her posts on this message boards. It is what it is. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:18:47 GMT
No one wants to debate because deep down you know how unjustifiable this is. Many of you are too chicken to speak frankly about what drives your "immigration concerns" so a real conversation is impossible anyway. You should all be ashamed and your behavior in this thread kinda points to the fact that you are. So in your mind only white people have to take responsibility...is that what you are saying? But of course. Then again, in her mind, all Republicans are white. |
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Post by libby on Jun 18, 2018 23:21:21 GMT
This is a public site. If you don’t want anyone to disagree with you, take it private. I find this whole issue inhumane and disgusting. I find anyone who is defending it to be the same. What would help is all the people who want the illegals in this country go and “adopt” a family, help them financially get a lawyer, pay their bills, feed them and put them in your house. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 18, 2018 23:23:45 GMT
What is wrong with you people that you are so threatened by there being one thread on this board where you are asked to stay away if you can't help doing these things? Because this a HUMAN problem, not political problem! This life or death for children! The parents who are schlepping these kids illegally into the country bear no responsibility at all. It's all the fault of the big bad Republicans and the evil US. People are allowed to apply for asylum, which is legal!! The OFFICIAL border crossing in McAllen(sp) Texas is taking asylum seekers into custody and separating the families, because they have closed the border for Asylum!! Sessions has also changed the rules on what is acceptable for asylum! Please read some different sources. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:24:57 GMT
What is wrong with you people that you are so threatened by there being one thread on this board where you are asked to stay away if you can't help doing these things? Because this a HUMAN problem, not political problem! This life or death for children! The parents who are schlepping these kids illegally into the country bear no responsibility at all. It's all the fault of the big bad Republicans and the evil US. People are allowed to apply for asylum, which is legal!! The OFFICIAL border crossing in McAllen(sp) Texas is taking asylum seekers into custody and separating the families, because they have closed the border for Asylum!! Sessions has also changed the rules on what is acceptable for asylum! Please read some different sources. <iframe width="29.920000000000073" height="7.9599999999999795" style="position: absolute; width: 29.920000000000073px; height: 7.9599999999999795px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63899576" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.920000000000073" height="7.9599999999999795" style="position: absolute; width: 29.92px; height: 7.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1430px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43072534" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.920000000000073" height="7.9599999999999795" style="position: absolute; width: 29.92px; height: 7.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 335px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_2768680" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.920000000000073" height="7.9599999999999795" style="position: absolute; width: 29.92px; height: 7.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1430px; top: 335px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_96350021" scrolling="no"></iframe> I was willing to have a discourse with you until I got to the last line. Just had to get your little dig in, didn't you? |
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Post by mom on Jun 18, 2018 23:25:04 GMT
No one wants to debate because deep down you know how unjustifiable this is. Many of you are too chicken to speak frankly about what drives your "immigration concerns" so a real conversation is impossible anyway. You should all be ashamed and your behavior in this thread kinda points to the fact that you are. Not sure who you are accusing of not wanting to debate, but I am a white Republican Conservative and I brought the issue to this thread. What is happening is absolutely horrible. Something else has to be done. What? I don't know. But in the hours since I posted about this, I have already emailed my senators and started making phone calls. Arguing on a thread isn't gong to bring a better solution. Those who are in elected positions in my area may not change their stance of separating families, but they sure as hell will know I am pissed and will remember their stance come election. SaveSave |
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Post by Olan on Jun 18, 2018 23:25:50 GMT
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Post by mom on Jun 18, 2018 23:26:55 GMT
Please don't bring her race into this. Yes, I know she did this first, but it isn't right. Put her on ignore and move on. SaveSaveMom, there are a great many African Americans on this board and for all the rest of them, I'd agree with you. But not for Olan. The fact that she is a black woman and that she hates whites is what fuels just about all of her posts on this message boards. It is what it is. Oh, I know you are right. I have her on ignore most of the time. But by mentioning her race you are only giving her fuel for her anti-white fire. SaveSave |
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Post by libby on Jun 18, 2018 23:28:50 GMT
Please don't bring her race into this. Yes, I know she did this first, but it isn't right. Put her on ignore and move on. SaveSaveMom, there are a great many African Americans on this board and for all the rest of them, I'd agree with you. But not for Olan. The fact that she is a black woman and that she hates whites is what fuels just about all of her posts on this message boards. It is what it is. Did you happen to notice the 2 police officers killed the other day Olan forgot to mention them. Can you imagine if it had been reverse? |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 18, 2018 23:29:44 GMT
Mom, there are a great many African Americans on this board and for all the rest of them, I'd agree with you. But not for Olan. The fact that she is a black woman and that she hates whites is what fuels just about all of her posts on this message boards. It is what it is. Oh, I know you are right. I have her on ignore most of the time. But by mentioning her race you are only giving her fuel for her anti-white fire. SaveSaveThe fact that we exist is all the fuel she needs. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 18, 2018 23:33:31 GMT
Oh yeah right. The parents who are schlepping these kids illegally into the country bear no responsibility at all. It's all the fault of the big bad Republicans and the evil US. I don't disagree with this. It is illegal. And I do absolutely want it controlled. But we have to do it in a way that humane. And we need to be sensitive. These people are not a normal "criminal". Can you imagine what you must feel to leave almost everything you own behind, including your extended family, risk your life and that of your children all in search of a better life? What must your living conditions be to want to come here and pick lettuce for under minimum wage and that life be better than what you're leaving? I feel sorry for them in many ways. I wish we could do more outreach to these countries. Teach their leaders about democracy and modern technology. Help them raise their people up. Doesn't the outrage ever seem contrived, though? This has been going on for years, yet now, right this moment, it's suddenly headline news.  |
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Post by busy on Jun 18, 2018 23:49:02 GMT
I don't disagree with this. It is illegal. And I do absolutely want it controlled. But we have to do it in a way that humane. And we need to be sensitive. These people are not a normal "criminal". Can you imagine what you must feel to leave almost everything you own behind, including your extended family, risk your life and that of your children all in search of a better life? What must your living conditions be to want to come here and pick lettuce for under minimum wage and that life be better than what you're leaving? I feel sorry for them in many ways. I wish we could do more outreach to these countries. Teach their leaders about democracy and modern technology. Help them raise their people up. Doesn't the outrage ever seem contrived, though? This has been going on for years, yet now, right this moment, it's suddenly headline news. That is not true. The policy of separating parents and children who arrive at the border together is new. In the past, children who arrived the border alone were indeed housed in conditions similar to the ones in which children are housed now - THAT is not new. (I personally think those conditions were wrong under Obama and wrong now.) But the separation of parents and children IS new. From 2017: In an attempt to deter illegal immigration from Mexico, the Department of Homeland Security is considering separating children from parents caught crossing the border, Secretary John Kelly said Monday on CNN. The proposal would result in detention for the parent while any accompanying children would be placed in the care of the government or sent to live with any relatives in the United States. Currently, women and children generally are held together in one of three detention centers — two in Texas and one in Pennsylvania — for a few days or weeks before being released to wait for an immigration judge to decide their cases. www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/07/dhs-is-considering-separating-mothers-and-children-who-cross-the-border-illegally/?utm_term=.52c5a9fd5474 |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 19, 2018 0:05:08 GMT
Thank you for the clarification, busy. There have been years to create a better immigration policy within our federal government, yet this is where the constant fighting has brought us. The system has been broken a very long time. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 19, 2018 0:07:38 GMT
The act of separating families is meant to break spirits. If you can't hope for a better future for your children you tend to give up. This is a calculated shitty move on the part of Republicans. They want their mediocrity to reign supreme and they know migrants will shake everything up. They know the children they are imprisoning could one day vote or "steal a job" from their little school shooter. The policy isnt meant to protect any of us. Those children are going to be fucked up and will have the US to blame. We are creating enemies. Wow... your heart goes out to immigrant children, yet you have the audacity to call our children "little school shooter"? America HAS EVERY RIGHT to control its borders, but it seems to me that we're the only country that gets vilified for doing so. The illegal immigrants KNOW that they're NOT SUPPOSED to come here in the first place. They're putting their own children at risk of trafficking, the drug cartels, etc when attempting to cross the border. There's only so much we can do to protect them. If they don't like the way it's being handled, then don't come here. I'm sorry...but if this has been going on for as long as they're saying, then why all the fuss now? Liberal Propaganda Bullsh!t I don't even listen to it anymore. I think of the thousands of children in our own country who are homeless and starving. We have no business trying to care for others when we can't even take care of our own. |
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Post by busy on Jun 19, 2018 0:08:37 GMT
The system has been broken a very long time. On this, we agree 100%. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 19, 2018 0:13:10 GMT
leftturnonly I *think* that some news outlets have a vendetta about Trump. I will definitely concede that point. But on the opposite side there is a whole lot of glossing over some pretty big things going on. I like to think I save my righteous outrage for things that really matter. Mostly I can poke humor at the stupid stuff. Again, as a mother, this just breaks my heart and I feel like this is a completely appropriate issue to have righteous outrage.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 19, 2018 0:17:40 GMT
What I *hope* beyond hope is that this is going to shine a light on immigration policy and we are tying the hands of our politicians to fix this. But I'm really afraid this might divide even further and what we are going to end up with is more build the wall attitude.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 19, 2018 0:32:56 GMT
leftturnonly I *think* that some news outlets have a vendetta about Trump. I will definitely concede that point. But on the opposite side there is a whole lot of glossing over some pretty big things going on. I like to think I save my righteous outrage for things that really matter. Mostly I can poke humor at the stupid stuff. Again, as a mother, this just breaks my heart and I feel like this is a completely appropriate issue to have righteous outrage. That's fair. |
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