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Post by Merge on Jun 19, 2018 3:24:38 GMT
Several times I have listened to Attorney General Jeff Sessions specifically talk about this separation of families at the border. Going to Google to find a video, I'm several pages back and seeing only a liberal spin to what he said, which is not what I have heard him say directly. YouTube it is, then. For those who want to hear our Attorney General speak about this without the political commentary. @17:45 "historically this has not been a great deterent." So has this policy been in place before? (the seperation of families) So basically its both parties who want to make change, want children to not cross, and are blaming Sessions but not one of those sides is really making an effort to put in change? Because the blame game keeps circling around with the teeter totter crap? I guess Sessions is the triangle and dems and republicans are the opposite teeter totter seats? Only one party has control of both houses of Congress and the presidency at this time. I don’t think it’s playing a blame game to say that the ball’s in your court.
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 19, 2018 4:06:11 GMT
I'm proud to be called "racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamaphobic and heartless". This deserves to be preserved. Feel free. The way you toss around these words they mean nothing. Just as your opinion about me mean nothing. So, keep your little spread sheet and haul it out whenever you like.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 5:17:36 GMT
@17:45 "historically this has not been a great deterent." So has this policy been in place before? (the seperation of families) So basically its both parties who want to make change, want children to not cross, and are blaming Sessions but not one of those sides is really making an effort to put in change? Because the blame game keeps circling around with the teeter totter crap? I guess Sessions is the triangle and dems and republicans are the opposite teeter totter seats? Only one party has control of both houses of Congress and the presidency at this time. I don’t think it’s playing a blame game to say that the ball’s in your court. Oh yes I know the republicans have control but when you listen to both sides it very much, to me anyways, feels very finger pointing, childish, back and forth. No one is really saying yes we screw up and no one is stepping up to fix it. Rather they just point fingers. Yea that will do us good. And tben you have the one upping too. Ugh.
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Post by pyccku on Jun 19, 2018 6:42:51 GMT
"There was set, on the bare floor, four hundred children: newborns, children from a few weeks or months, up to ten years of age. How many children came, and where they were dispatched, could no longer be found out. The children in the children's barracks cried inexorably and were calling their mothers, who were only a few steps away from the children, but the fascist criminals did not let mothers to approach their children. Older children tell us through tears, that they can not calm the little ones, because they are hungry, there are no one to change diapers of the little ones..."
This sounds familiar.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 19, 2018 6:48:28 GMT
This is what God says.
Hebrews 10:31 New International Version (NIV)
31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Exodus 22:21 “Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Exodus 23:9 “Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.
Isaiah 10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, 2 to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. 3 What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches? 4 Nothing will remain but to cringe among the captives or fall among the slain. Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away, his hand is still upraised.
Matthew 7:15-23 New International Version (NIV)
True and False Prophets 15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
True and False Disciples 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Got fruit? Words are meaningless producing fruit is everything.
I have more verses from where those came from. :-)
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 19, 2018 7:08:30 GMT
I like what Laura Bush said.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 12:12:59 GMT
I don't like the separation of children from their parents, and I think we can and should fix that. Ted Cruz has introduced solid emergency legislation to address this. www.nationalreview.com/corner/ted-cruz-emergency-legislation-to-end-family-separation/ I fear people (both in Congress and the general public) won't be able to see past their political biases to enact it, though. We all know, or should know, that the more emotionally invested in something we are, the more vulnerable we are to manipulation. The more emotional the media and politicians can make us, the more they can control and divide us. If you think only the other side is using children as political pawns, then you know absolutely zero about how politics works. They all do it, they've always done it, it sucks, and it's time for it to stop. We can if we will.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 19, 2018 12:17:42 GMT
She can't help it. She can't stand the fact that the Republicans/conservatives have chosen to have a thread for their own point of view. As you previously mentioned, it's pure selfishness. Oh, and Trump won. LOL
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 19, 2018 12:22:22 GMT
PeachStatePea said: to imply that this is change of policy started under Trump last week is extremely dishonest I am curious...who said this? No one did. I'm just having trouble understanding...as a mother...why everyone isn't screaming about this. Illegals have complete control over this situation. They can stop breaking the law and they won't be separated. Easy peasy.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 19, 2018 12:26:55 GMT
@17:45 "historically this has not been a great deterent." So has this policy been in place before? (the seperation of families) So basically its both parties who want to make change, want children to not cross, and are blaming Sessions but not one of those sides is really making an effort to put in change? Because the blame game keeps circling around with the teeter totter crap? I guess Sessions is the triangle and dems and republicans are the opposite teeter totter seats? Only one party has control of both houses of Congress and the presidency at this time. I don’t think it’s playing a blame game to say that the ball’s in your court. This is such a sad time for Republicans. I was one for so many years, but I’ve now changed my party affiliation. However, I’m discouraged that the Democratic representatives are not doing more about this. I truly wish we had a third party.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 19, 2018 12:30:53 GMT
snowsilver, I ask this sincerely, but why is this so important to you? Why must people say, yeah, Obama did it, so now we can put our heads together and figure out a solution? Does it matter at this point? I think it's just silly that someone who is no longer President must take blame for something before people are willing to step up to the plate and deal with the problem. Is this what we've come to, as a nation? Politics so deep that we can't take action or work together without placing and accepting blame? This illegal immigration problem has been a problem for decades. Should Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush have to publicly step up and say, yeah I did it too? Trump gets the heat because he is the President, he has the power to stop it, and he chooses not to. In fact, it has only worsened. That is properly attributed to Trump. And it's really sad that when questioned about it, his supporters (I'm talking about my Facebook friends, not the peas) have one of two things to say, it's either, well Obama did it (whataboutism) or zero tolerance, build the wall. And that is exactly what Trump wants. I fully believe he's completely playing politics and trying to fire up his base.
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Post by cade387 on Jun 19, 2018 12:31:44 GMT
People coming to the border at a checkpoint requesting asylum are not breaking the law. They are now changing the rules to make asylum impossible to get and instead of saying sorry turn around they are throwing them in jail and throwing their kids in cages. There are other ways to do this. Also, a wall will not stop this. People will still come to the border requesting asylum even with a wall so this makes no sense.
These children are being harmed emotionally without a doubt. This is for something they did not do. They have a very real chance to grow to be terrorists, which is also not in the best interest of the USA.
I also heard in an interview that they hired ~850 people in the last week to try to work with these kids. I’m concerned that sexual predators will capitalize on this as an easy way to have access to vulnerable kids. How do you vet people that quickly?
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Post by Merge on Jun 19, 2018 12:35:28 GMT
Only one party has control of both houses of Congress and the presidency at this time. I don’t think it’s playing a blame game to say that the ball’s in your court. This is such a sad time for Republicans. I was one for so many years, but I’ve now changed my party affiliation. However, I’m discouraged that the Democratic representatives are not doing more about this. I truly wish we had a third party. The entire Democratic caucus in the Senate has signed on to Dianne Feinstein's bill to stop this now - but because we don't have a majority, we can't pass the bill without significant Republican help (enough to override Trump's veto if necessary). Our reps have traveled to the border and have seen what's going on there, and they've proposed legislation now - not next week, and without further requirements like a $25B wall that use kids as bargaining chips. I'm honestly not sure how much more the Democrats can do. As I said, ball's in the Republican court.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 19, 2018 12:38:18 GMT
Any info on how they are looking to change the fear of returning home standard? Any info on how they look at and investigate if a family unit is a true u it? This link might help some.
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Post by Merge on Jun 19, 2018 12:43:31 GMT
I don't like the separation of children from their parents, and I think we can and should fix that. Ted Cruz has introduced solid emergency legislation to address this. www.nationalreview.com/corner/ted-cruz-emergency-legislation-to-end-family-separation/ I fear people (both in Congress and the general public) won't be able to see past their political biases to enact it, though. We all know, or should know, that the more emotionally invested in something we are, the more vulnerable we are to manipulation. The more emotional the media and politicians can make us, the more they can control and divide us. If you think only the other side is using children as political pawns, then you know absolutely zero about how politics works. They all do it, they've always done it, it sucks, and it's time for it to stop. We can if we will. Were you saying that about Dianne Feinstein's bill as well, which has the support of the entire Democratic caucus? Or just Ted's bill? What you and NR see as "solid," we see as a way to dramatically increase the number of far-right judges on the immigration bench and deport the vast majority of asylum seekers under Sessions' new, more restrictive requirements. There may be a solution somewhere in the middle - but please don't insult our intelligence by acting like Cruz is the first one to put forth a bill.
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 19, 2018 12:46:46 GMT
People coming to the border at a checkpoint requesting asylum are not breaking the law. They are now changing the rules to make asylum impossible to get and instead of saying sorry turn around they are throwing them in jail and throwing their kids in cages. There are other ways to do this. Also, a wall will not stop this. People will still come to the border requesting asylum even with a wall so this makes no sense. These children are being harmed emotionally without a doubt. This is for something they did not do. They have a very real chance to grow to be terrorists, which is also not in the best interest of the USA. I also heard in an interview that they hired ~850 people in the last week to try to work with these kids. I’m concerned that sexual predators will capitalize on this as an easy way to have access to vulnerable kids. How do you vet people that quickly? In Oregon a background check to enable you to work with a child takes at least 3 weeks, so in short,they probably aren’t properly vetting NEW child care workers, but some people might already have approval.
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Post by annaintx on Jun 19, 2018 12:48:17 GMT
People coming to the border at a checkpoint requesting asylum are not breaking the law. They are now changing the rules to make asylum impossible to get and instead of saying sorry turn around they are throwing them in jail and throwing their kids in cages. There are other ways to do this. Also, a wall will not stop this. People will still come to the border requesting asylum even with a wall so this makes no sense. These children are being harmed emotionally without a doubt. This is for something they did not do. They have a very real chance to grow to be terrorists, which is also not in the best interest of the USA. I also heard in an interview that they hired ~850 people in the last week to try to work with these kids. I’m concerned that sexual predators will capitalize on this as an easy way to have access to vulnerable kids. How do you vet people that quickly? I have thought this since the beginning. We're making a whole bunch of terrorists in this new generation. GO USA!!! Such a fucking shit show.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 19, 2018 13:20:15 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 19, 2018 13:23:48 GMT
We're making a whole bunch of terrorists in this new generation. They will hate us forever!
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 19, 2018 13:27:44 GMT
PeachStatePea said: to imply that this is change of policy started under Trump last week is extremely dishonest I am curious...who said this? No one did. I'm just having trouble understanding...as a mother...why everyone isn't screaming about this. Illegals have complete control over this situation. They can stop breaking the law and they won't be separated. Easy peasy.So if you “break” the law, your kids should be taken from you before you get tried and convicted? Got it. Ivanka and Jared kids should be taken from them. Barron too then by that standard.
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Post by Olan on Jun 19, 2018 13:33:09 GMT
We're making a whole bunch of terrorists in this new generation. They will hate us forever! This will cause irreparable damage to their Iittle brains but Enslaved Africans didn't respond to their treatment on American soil by turning into terrorist and it's my hope that these children don't either. The Japanese reintegrated after their time in intermittent camps as well. The only terrorist are the folks who continue to author these instances where everyone forgets their humanity
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 19, 2018 13:40:54 GMT
US intelligence officials: North Korea will sell nuclear tech to Iran While the Trump administration is still touting its supposedly successful summit with North Korea — even claiming that Pyongyang is “no longer a nuclear threat” — senior U.S. intelligence officials worry that a new security challenge is emerging: that the Kim regime could sell advanced, long-range ICBM missile technology to rogue states like Iran. According to two intelligence officials, speaking to me on background, there is a growing concern that while the immediate threat of armed conflict with North Korea has diminished, Pyongyang could utilize the lull in tensions to its advantage, selling the know-how behind its most advanced weapons systems to Tehran. The officials, unauthorized to speak on the matter, asked for their identities to be protected. “We know for a fact that North Korea will sell almost any of its military hardware if the price is right — and Iran has paid that price time and time again. In the past, there is ample evidence — even in the public domain — that proves North Korea will sell conventional weapons, all different types of missile technology, and even nuclear tech and expertise if you have the funds to pay for it,” explained a senior U.S. intelligence official. The official continued: > “What terrifies many of us is that we might not even know that Pyongyang has even sold such technology until it's too late to do anything about it. Think about how much information you can store on just a flash drive today. All it would take is one North Korean agent, selling a 256-gig USB stick to an Iranian operative filled with blueprints, design specs and advanced warhead shielding technology to make a massive difference. > > "Just that amount of information on ICBM technology alone would be a game changer for Tehran — and we would not even know about it until the new designs were included in their missile tests.” History shows the intelligence officials' fears could very well be realized — and soon. North Korea has sold arms to some of the world’s most anti-U.S. regimes and fueled conflicts around the world. For example, Pyongyang has reportedly helped Syria with its chemical weapons and missile programs. North Korea even started building a nuclear reactor for the Assad regime, only to see it be destroyed by an Israeli air strike in 2007. There is strong evidence to suggest North Korea is selling conventional arms to the regime now and possibly even fighting alongside Assad’s forces, fueling a civil war that has claimed countless lives to this day. It gets worse. The Kim family has sold multiple classes of missile platforms to Iran. And, now that the Kim family has missiles that can at least range the U.S. homeland, combined with biting sanctions that are damaging the regime's ability to raise vital revenue, Pyongyang might just be desperate enough to sell its best weaponry, even if it were to damage its budding détente with Washington. Another senior intelligence official, also speaking on background, had another assessment: “It will be just a matter of time before North Korea sells this stuff (ICBM technology) to Iran. We need to prepare for this as it might even already have happened. I want to stress I have no proof of that, but what would you do if your nation was being hurt by sanctions and you can cause America and its allies some pain?” There is ample reason to think Iran would indeed love to acquire such technology. If the Iran Nuclear Deal does completely fall apart, or even if Tehran abides by its provisions with willing non-U.S. partners, acquiring such advanced missile technology — which is not prohibited under the terms of the deal — would be a smart strategic move. Iran would be able to spend the next several years designing, testing and perfecting such missile technology. Knowing that it could take an expensive, long-term effort, Tehran could honor its nuclear agreement with Europe, Russia and China until 2025 — when Iran could legally leave the agreement — and use those years to perfect a working ICBM that it could then use as the delivery system for a nuclear weapon. Considering even the sheer possibility of such a nightmare scenario, the Trump administration, in whatever deal it is trying to craft with North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, should include a provision that Pyongyang would not be able to sell any missile technology, know-how or allow its scientists to work on other nations' missile programs — at a bare minimum. Washington also should demand a full accounting of any missile sales to foreign powers like Iran, so we can gain a better understanding of what other problems Pyongyang might have created. But such thoughts might be just wishful thinking. Considering that U.S. intelligence officials believe North Korea will never give up its nuclear weapons anyway, we might very well face the Kim regime’s most terrifying weapons of war in a future conflict — but they might be fired by someone else. Harry J. Kazianis_ (@grecianformula) is director of Defense Studies at the Center for the National Interest, founded in 1994 by President Richard M. Nixon, and executive editor of its publishing arm, The National Interest. Kazianis previously served on the foreign policy team of the 2016 Ted Cruz presidential campaign. He has held positions as foreign policy communications manager at the Heritage Foundation, editor-in-chief of The Diplomat, as well as a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The views voiced in this article are his own. www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/national-security/392868-us-intelligence-officials-next-fear-north-korea-will-sell-nuclear%3famp
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 13:40:57 GMT
What has my life come to when I find myself glued to the t.v. watching these hearings, lol? It was riveting.
I really need to do laundry, but since there's a big bug of some sort that got into the laundry room (waiting to terrorize me) I think I'll have to watch the hearings again today!
I expect today to be as interesting as yesterday.
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Post by mom on Jun 19, 2018 13:44:47 GMT
PeachStatePea said: to imply that this is change of policy started under Trump last week is extremely dishonest I am curious...who said this? No one did. I'm just having trouble understanding...as a mother...why everyone isn't screaming about this. Illegals have complete control over this situation. They can stop breaking the law and they won't be separated. Easy peasy.I am sorry, but this is a completely bullshit attitude. These people are not committing crimes that should result in them losing their children (like a felony, where you are sent to jail for an extended amount of time). They are committing a misdemeanor. For a first time offender, they get a fine and possibly 6 mon. in jail (but usually just a fine). In my state, the same penalty would be given for: harassment, failure to pay child support, minor drug possession and first time DWI. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325SaveSave
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 19, 2018 13:45:23 GMT
Only one party has control of both houses of Congress and the presidency at this time. I don’t think it’s playing a blame game to say that the ball’s in your court. This is such a sad time for Republicans. I was one for so many years, but I’ve now changed my party affiliation. However, I’m discouraged that the Democratic representatives are not doing more about this. I truly wish we had a third party. Ditto.
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Post by lindas on Jun 19, 2018 13:48:34 GMT
What has my life come to when I find myself glued to the t.v. watching these hearings, lol? It was riveting.
I really need to do laundry, but since there's a big bug of some sort that got into the laundry room (waiting to terrorize me) I think I'll have to watch the hearings again today!
I expect today to be as interesting as yesterday.
It should be even more interesting since Trey Gowdy gets his chance at them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 13:56:26 GMT
What has my life come to when I find myself glued to the t.v. watching these hearings, lol? It was riveting.
I really need to do laundry, but since there's a big bug of some sort that got into the laundry room (waiting to terrorize me) I think I'll have to watch the hearings again today!
I expect today to be as interesting as yesterday.
It should be even more interesting since Trey Gowdy gets his chance at them. I know, I'm actually looking forward to hearing him today.
I also love listening to John Kennedy from Louisiana, he makes me laugh. I came across an article with a few of his one-liners:
"Now's the time: It's saddle up and ride"
"faster than green grass goes through a goose."
A couple of quotes from the CNN article:
"Take, for instance, the way he called Arizona's Republican Sen. John McCain "tough as a boiled owl" or how he explained last fall, in his thick Southern drawl, that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell was backing a health care bill "like a cat on a fat rat."
"Skeptical of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which estimates the costs of various bills, Kennedy remarked last fall that it makes "those late-night psychic hotlines that you see advertised reputable."
He's so witty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:00:57 GMT
Merge tell us about Feinstein's bill. I didn't know about it and am open to any/all possible solutions. I don't care who good ideas come from, just that they come.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 19, 2018 14:02:52 GMT
Illegals have complete control over this situation. They can stop breaking the law and they won't be separated. Easy peasy. So if you “break” the law, your kids should be taken from you before you get tried and convicted? Got it. Ivanka and Jared kids should be taken from them. Barron too then by that standard. It happens all the time. People who commit crimes are separated from society. This is nothing new. Don't like it then don't break the law.
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Post by mom on Jun 19, 2018 14:03:41 GMT
Merge tell us about Feinstein's bill. I didn't know about it and am open to any/all possible solutions. I don't care who good ideas come from, just that they come. Yes, please tell us about it. I have been looking online, but if someone could give us the basics of it, I would appreciate it. SaveSave
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