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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:04:34 GMT
Any info on how they are looking to change the fear of returning home standard? Any info on how they look at and investigate if a family unit is a true u it? This link might help some. Thank you. Will read after my appointment |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 19, 2018 14:05:12 GMT
Illegals have complete control over this situation. They can stop breaking the law and they won't be separated. Easy peasy. I am sorry, but this is a completely bullshit attitude. These people are not committing crimes that should result in them losing their children (like a felony, where you are sent to jail for an extended amount of time). They are committing a misdemeanor. For a first time offender, they get a fine and possibly 6 mon. in jail (but usually just a fine). In my state, the same penalty would be given for: harassment, failure to pay child support, minor drug possession and first time DWI. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325SaveSave |
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Post by dewryce on Jun 19, 2018 14:06:09 GMT
Merge tell us about Feinstein's bill. I didn't know about it and am open to any/all possible solutions. I don't care who good ideas come from, just that they come. is the official press release about it from June 8th. |
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Post by mom on Jun 19, 2018 14:06:36 GMT
So if you “break” the law, your kids should be taken from you before you get tried and convicted? Got it. Ivanka and Jared kids should be taken from them. Barron too then by that standard. No - people commit crimes all the time (you, probably included) and DO NOT get separated from society. If someone crommits a crime of a certain level (which is a level of crime higher than what 1st time illegals are committing) then yes, you go to jail. But most people DO NOT go to jail for a misdemeanor. SaveSave |
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Post by Merge on Jun 19, 2018 14:08:53 GMT
Merge tell us about Feinstein's bill. I didn't know about it and am open to any/all possible solutions. I don't care who good ideas come from, just that they come. Here’s the synopsis on the congressional website: www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22keep+families+together+act%22%5D%7D&r=1Free of politically motivated add-ons. It simply addresses the egregious wrong that’s happening right now and prohibits separating children from parents except in very specific cases where separation is in the child’s best interest. It also expressly prohibits using family separation as a deterrent to asylum seeking or attempted migration. I hope that everyone with Republican Senators will urge them to sign on to this bill, which addresses only the very specific problem without trying to sneak some other legislation we like by the goalie. |
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Post by katybee on Jun 19, 2018 14:10:10 GMT
So if you “break” the law, your kids should be taken from you before you get tried and convicted? Got it. Ivanka and Jared kids should be taken from them. Barron too then by that standard. So are we just getting rid of due process, then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:10:51 GMT
She can't help it. She can't stand the fact that the Republicans/conservatives have chosen to have a thread for their own point of view. As you previously mentioned, it's pure selfishness. yes, I do believe he did. |
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Post by mom on Jun 19, 2018 14:11:51 GMT
Merge tell us about Feinstein's bill. I didn't know about it and am open to any/all possible solutions. I don't care who good ideas come from, just that they come. Here’s the synopsis on the congressional website: www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22keep+families+together+act%22%5D%7D&r=1Free of politically motivated add-ons. It simply addresses the egregious wrong that’s happening right now and prohibits separating children from parents except in very specific cases where separation is in the child’s best interest. It also expressly prohibits using family separation as a deterrent to asylum seeking or attempted migration. I hope that everyone with Republican Senators will urge them to sign on to this bill, which addresses only the very specific problem without trying to sneak some other legislation we like by the goalie. Just reading that synopsis, I could definitely get behind it. Let me find some more information for I decide, but yes, it seems like a fair bill at first look. Thank you for posting it. SaveSave |
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Post by cade387 on Jun 19, 2018 14:12:40 GMT
So if you “break” the law, your kids should be taken from you before you get tried and convicted? Got it. Ivanka and Jared kids should be taken from them. Barron too then by that standard. People who come to a center seeking asylum are not breaking the law. They are following the process and having their children taken from them anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:14:05 GMT
Merge tell us about Feinstein's bill. I didn't know about it and am open to any/all possible solutions. I don't care who good ideas come from, just that they come. Here’s the synopsis on the congressional website: www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22keep+families+together+act%22%5D%7D&r=1Free of politically motivated add-ons. It simply addresses the egregious wrong that’s happening right now and prohibits separating children from parents except in very specific cases where separation is in the child’s best interest. It also expressly prohibits using family separation as a deterrent to asylum seeking or attempted migration. I hope that everyone with Republican Senators will urge them to sign on to this bill, which addresses only the very specific problem without trying to sneak some other legislation we like by the goalie. Thank you  I don't have Republican Senators, but if I did, I would be urging them to help solve this. |
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Post by Olan on Jun 19, 2018 14:14:40 GMT
yes, I do believe he did. And now we are all fucked. Thanks ladies! I know everyone likes to send me back to Africa when I question your lack of morality but how awesome would it be if every Trump voter/supporter was sent to Russia |
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Post by dewryce on Jun 19, 2018 14:16:52 GMT
Merge tell us about Feinstein's bill. I didn't know about it and am open to any/all possible solutions. I don't care who good ideas come from, just that they come. Here’s the synopsis on the congressional website: www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22keep+families+together+act%22%5D%7D&r=1Free of politically motivated add-ons. It simply addresses the egregious wrong that’s happening right now and prohibits separating children from parents except in very specific cases where separation is in the child’s best interest. It also expressly prohibits using family separation as a deterrent to asylum seeking or attempted migration. I hope that everyone with Republican Senators will urge them to sign on to this bill, which addresses only the very specific problem without trying to sneak some other legislation we like by the goalie. It also addresses of issues of reconnecting the children with their parents and the parents being kept updated on their children. The only "add on" is a report on asylum statics for the last 10 years. |
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Post by dewryce on Jun 19, 2018 14:18:08 GMT
Here’s the synopsis on the congressional website: www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22keep+families+together+act%22%5D%7D&r=1Free of politically motivated add-ons. It simply addresses the egregious wrong that’s happening right now and prohibits separating children from parents except in very specific cases where separation is in the child’s best interest. It also expressly prohibits using family separation as a deterrent to asylum seeking or attempted migration. I hope that everyone with Republican Senators will urge them to sign on to this bill, which addresses only the very specific problem without trying to sneak some other legislation we like by the goalie. Just reading that synopsis, I could definitely get behind it. Let me find some more information for I decide, but yes, it seems like a fair bill at first look. Thank you for posting it. SaveSaveThe actual bill is linked towards the top of the press release I linked. It's fairly short. Hth. |
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Post by cade387 on Jun 19, 2018 14:21:11 GMT
They will hate us forever! This will cause irreparable damage to their Iittle brains but Enslaved Africans didn't respond to their treatment on American soil by turning into terrorist and it's my hope that these children don't either. The Japanese reintegrated after their time in intermittent camps as well. The only terrorist are the folks who continue to author these instances where everyone forgets their humanity I think times are different now than back then. I think that the gangs and cartels will be waiting with open arms to recruit these kids who feel isolated and abandoned Why take the chance and give them ammo to use against us? |
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Post by peano on Jun 19, 2018 14:25:38 GMT
PeachStatePea said: to imply that this is change of policy started under Trump last week is extremely dishonest I am curious...who said this? No one did. I'm just having trouble understanding...as a mother...why everyone isn't screaming about this. She says from her position of relative safety and comfort in the US, where she doesn't live in fear for her and children's lives as those pesky, annoying "illegals" do in their home countries ridden with violence. Yeah, so fucking easy peasy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:25:43 GMT
yes, I do believe he did. And now we are all fucked. Thanks ladies! I know everyone likes to send me back to Africa when I question your lack of morality but how awesome would it be if every Trump voter/supporter was sent to Russia Frankly, you have no right to question anybody's lack of morality, and as far as I'm concerned, you can live wherever you want. P.S-I'm not a Trump voter, so I'll stay her in the great USA. |
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 19, 2018 14:29:23 GMT
What a fucking disaster the whole southern border is and has been for a long time. There is plenty of blame to go around. Plenty and anyone trying to make it into a Dem vs Rep thing is being obtuse. We have kicked the can down the road for far too long. I don't know what the answer is, but what I do know is that each side of the aisle is pointing fingers and acting so holier than thou and we all know who is caught in the middle: the children. Children that have no idea what is happening nor any power to do anything about their circumstances. I am so pissed right now about the whole situation, I am sure that I am going to make zero sense in this post.
These families coming across the border illegally aren't doing it wholly on their own. I believe that people are whispering in their ear to do it. "Go to the Land of Milk and Honey and the US will care for you and your children." These people know full well the what a disaster they are setting these immigrants up for. These families are pouring across the border for promises that no one can fulfill. The families, in their ignorance and naivety, trust whoever it is telling them these falsehoods. They are being used plain and simple. They are being used by the left to make the right appear heartless and cruel and they are being used by the right to force immigration reform and to make the left look like open border nutters. Shit needs to happen and maybe this absolute shit show on the border right now will force Left and Right to the table and get something worked out that we can all live with for the foreseeable future. I don't have much hope, though.
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Post by Olan on Jun 19, 2018 14:32:29 GMT
This will cause irreparable damage to their Iittle brains but Enslaved Africans didn't respond to their treatment on American soil by turning into terrorist and it's my hope that these children don't either. The Japanese reintegrated after their time in intermittent camps as well. The only terrorist are the folks who continue to author these instances where everyone forgets their humanity I think times are different now than back then. I think that the gangs and cartels will be waiting with open arms to recruit these kids who feel isolated and abandoned Why take the chance and give them ammo to use against us? Are you a gang and cartel expert? This is dangerous rhetoric. They want a better life for their children and to deter them America just took their children away. Don't make them out to be monsters when really only you are capable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:34:43 GMT
What a fucking disaster the whole southern border is and has been for a long time. There is plenty of blame to go around. Plenty and anyone trying to make it into a Dem vs Rep thing is being obtuse. We have kicked the can down the road for far too long. I don't know what the answer is, but what I do know is that each side of the aisle is pointing fingers and acting so holier than thou and we all know who is caught in the middle: the children. Children that have no idea what is happening nor any power to do anything about their circumstances. I am so pissed right now about the whole situation, I am sure that I am going to make zero sense in this post. These families coming across the border illegally aren't doing it wholly on their own. I believe that people are whispering in their ear to do it. "Go to the Land of Milk and Honey and the US will care for you and your children." These people know full well the what a disaster they are setting these immigrants up for. These families are pouring across the border for promises that no one can fulfill. The families, in their ignorance and naivety, trust whoever it is telling them these falsehoods. They are being used plain and simple. They are being used by the left to make the right appear heartless and cruel and they are being used by the right to force immigration reform and to make the left look like open border nutters. Shit needs to happen and maybe this absolute shit show on the border right now will force Left and Right to the table and get something worked out that we can all live with for the foreseeable future. I don't have much hope, though. I hope it does! But right now, that seems like it would be a miracle. Everybody is too busy throwing crap around to listen to each other. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 19, 2018 14:44:34 GMT
Shit needs to happen and maybe this absolute shit show on the border right now will force Left and Right to the table and get something worked out that we can all live with for the foreseeable future. I don't have much hope, though. You are 100% correct. I think many of us feel the same way. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 19, 2018 15:05:14 GMT
This is such a sad time for Republicans. I was one for so many years, but I’ve now changed my party affiliation. However, I’m discouraged that the Democratic representatives are not doing more about this. I truly wish we had a third party. The entire Democratic caucus in the Senate has signed on to Dianne Feinstein's bill to stop this now - but because we don't have a majority, we can't pass the bill without significant Republican help (enough to override Trump's veto if necessary). Our reps have traveled to the border and have seen what's going on there, and they've proposed legislation now - not next week, and without further requirements like a $25B wall that use kids as bargaining chips. I'm honestly not sure how much more the Democrats can do. As I said, ball's in the Republican court. Exactly. The republicans are more interested in making sure it looks like they are the ones taking action, as well as manipulating any bill to get what they want (the wall) than they are stopping any further traumatization to these kids and families. If that was their focus, they would be signing Feinstein’d bill. |
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Post by katybee on Jun 19, 2018 15:15:08 GMT
These families coming across the border illegally aren't doing it wholly on their own. I believe that people are whispering in their ear to do it. "Go to the Land of Milk and Honey and the US will care for you and your children."
And this is where the problem lies. Do you really think that these people are coming to the United States so the US will “care for them”? I live in Texas, and teach in a dual language school, so I am surrounded by immigrant families. And let me tell you, these are some of the hardest working people I know. They work 2, even 3 jobs to support their families. All of the custodians at my school and all of the cafeteria workers are fairly recent immigrants from Mexico or Central America. They work hard. They love their families. They are not freeloaders. They are not criminals. And whether you want to believe it or not, these immigrants ARE working jobs around here that real “Americans“ don’t want – picking our food, cleaning our houses, mowing our lawns, building our houses. They are GRATEFUL for the opportunity. And everyone around here is hiring right now – so clearly there is not a shortage of jobs. As far as their children—they get them to school every day and make sure that they are RESPECTFUL and WORK HARD— because they want their children to get an education and have a better life than they did. Isn’t that what we all want? The main arguments I hear against allowing more immigration and asylum-seekers is that they will be a drain on our welfare system and that they will take “our” jobs. Around here, I see no evidence of that. As a matter of fact, my family and I were driving around town on Sunday. We have a fairly significant homeless population, and there are people begging on nearly every single corner. Do you know how many Latino people I saw begging for money? Exactly NONE. There were a few African-Americans, but most of them were white. We live a life of immeasurable privilege here in the United States. No matter how “bad” we think our lives are, they cannot possibly compare to what these people are leaving behind in their home countries. We have no idea what it feels like to not be able to send your child to school because you fear that they will be kidnapped and held for ransom or recruited into a gang. We do not have rival drug cartels have in shootouts in our neighborhoods. People seeking asylum from Central America are not coming here to mooch off of you or your family, and they are not coming here to start their own neighborhood drug cartel. They are coming here to escape unspeakable violence and start a new life. I think if we could understand that, and have some empathy, we would view the immigration “crisis” in a different light. |
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 19, 2018 15:32:29 GMT
Katybee - I want to more than like your post. Very well said. Thank you many times over!!!!
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Post by missmiss on Jun 19, 2018 15:35:01 GMT
I am sorry, but this is a completely bullshit attitude. These people are not committing crimes that should result in them losing their children (like a felony, where you are sent to jail for an extended amount of time). They are committing a misdemeanor. For a first time offender, they get a fine and possibly 6 mon. in jail (but usually just a fine). In my state, the same penalty would be given for: harassment, failure to pay child support, minor drug possession and first time DWI. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325SaveSave(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of— (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed. Key word up there is OR. Parents DO NOT have to be separated from their children. Our government decided to do this. I don't care when it started and who started it. It isn't right. Should they cross the boarder illegally? Of course not. I do not know anyone who thinks we should just have an open boarder and anyone can cross. Rainbow do you care about these children and their mental well being? Regardless of what their parents did do you care? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 15:35:29 GMT
What a fucking disaster the whole southern border is and has been for a long time. There is plenty of blame to go around. Plenty and anyone trying to make it into a Dem vs Rep thing is being obtuse. We have kicked the can down the road for far too long. I don't know what the answer is, but what I do know is that each side of the aisle is pointing fingers and acting so holier than thou and we all know who is caught in the middle: the children. Children that have no idea what is happening nor any power to do anything about their circumstances. I am so pissed right now about the whole situation, I am sure that I am going to make zero sense in this post. These families coming across the border illegally aren't doing it wholly on their own. I believe that people are whispering in their ear to do it. "Go to the Land of Milk and Honey and the US will care for you and your children." These people know full well the what a disaster they are setting these immigrants up for. These families are pouring across the border for promises that no one can fulfill. The families, in their ignorance and naivety, trust whoever it is telling them these falsehoods. They are being used plain and simple. They are being used by the left to make the right appear heartless and cruel and they are being used by the right to force immigration reform and to make the left look like open border nutters. Shit needs to happen and maybe this absolute shit show on the border right now will force Left and Right to the table and get something worked out that we can all live with for the foreseeable future. I don't have much hope, though. . So the left is using immigrants to make the right appear heartless. Really? It seems to me the right doesn’t need any help making them look heartless. From your fearless leader donald trump..., “Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13. They can’t win on their terrible policies, so they view them as potential voters!” Now he is talking about other human beings as being infestations. I think you may need to rethink who is making the right look heartless. |
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Post by betty on Jun 19, 2018 15:40:55 GMT
What has my life come to when I find myself glued to the t.v. watching these hearings, lol? It was riveting.
I really need to do laundry, but since there's a big bug of some sort that got into the laundry room (waiting to terrorize me) I think I'll have to watch the hearings again today!
I expect today to be as interesting as yesterday.
If there is a big bug in the laundry room it is in the best of interest of your entire family that you avoid the laundry room!  I was glued to the radio listening to the hearings yesterday... and then watching clips on the internet last night to see the body language and facial expressions I missed. I''m headed out now so I hope I can listen for a few hours in the car today too. |
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Post by katybee on Jun 19, 2018 15:45:52 GMT
This could all stop today. The Democrats have introduced a bill that would stop it without attaching any other conditions. I cannot imagine why Republicans would not join the Democrats to get this passed ASAP. Join as cosponsors so you can get the credit. I don’t care. I just want it to stop. If you attach other conditions, then you ARE using children as pawns...“Well… We could stop this if we also pass X, Y, and Z…“ NO! Take the children out of the equation NOW. They are not bargaining chips!
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Post by cade387 on Jun 19, 2018 15:50:41 GMT
I think times are different now than back then. I think that the gangs and cartels will be waiting with open arms to recruit these kids who feel isolated and abandoned Why take the chance and give them ammo to use against us? Are you a gang and cartel expert? This is dangerous rhetoric. They want a better life for their children and to deter them America just took their children away. Don't make them out to be monsters when really only you are capable. What on earth are you talking about? I’m not talking about he adults at all. Do you think I am? |
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Post by Olan on Jun 19, 2018 15:57:24 GMT
Are you a gang and cartel expert? This is dangerous rhetoric. They want a better life for their children and to deter them America just took their children away. Don't make them out to be monsters when really only you are capable. What on earth are you talking about? I’m not talking about he adults at all. Do you think I am? I disagree with you that the children will be used by the drug cartels and gangs if/when they return to their home country. I think suggesting this might happen is dangerous rhetoric because you are giving the Republicans another idea about the "potential criminality" of innocent children. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 16:02:01 GMT
What has my life come to when I find myself glued to the t.v. watching these hearings, lol? It was riveting.
I really need to do laundry, but since there's a big bug of some sort that got into the laundry room (waiting to terrorize me) I think I'll have to watch the hearings again today!
I expect today to be as interesting as yesterday.
I was glued to the radio listening to the hearings yesterday... and then watching clips on the internet last night to see the body language and facial expressions I missed. I''m headed out now so I hope I can listen for a few hours in the car today too. I see we think alike! 
I'm finding these hearings fascinating. It's interesting to see the line of questioning shift depending if it's a democrat or republican asking the questions. I really like Trey Gowdy and I'm sorry to see him leaving Washington.
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