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Post by mom on Jun 20, 2018 16:30:55 GMT
@devildog I see your post, and am going to respond. I appreciate you taking the time to write it all out. I am knee deep in work right now and will respond when I have more time than just for a one sentence reply.
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Conservatives who think its ok to have the children separated: I am genuinely curious about something, and I would like to understand how you balance your belief that children should be taken care of by the US Government but also hold on to the idea that the government should be limited. How do you manage both of those ideas? As it is right now, the US Government is being a babysitter (and definitely not a good babysitter, at that) for these children. If you believe big government is wrong, why is it ok for them to be the government babysitter? Would it not be better to allow those parents who are seeking asylum to parent their child than some random government worker? The reality is our government is going to lose some of these children and not be able to reunite them with their families. Which means that the children will become part of our system - needing Government insurance, services, food stamps, etc. Costing all of us resources. And before someone starts making claims I am a liberal trying to stir the pot, I am not. I *am* one of you, on most instances, and this is why I do want to understand. I am not going to call you names, make jokes at your expense, or any crap like that. Since those seeking asylum that come thru the proper way don't have their families split, I'm not discussing those families.
There are roughly 12,000 kids being held right now. 10,000 of them came unaccompanied, so I'm not talking about them. That's an entirely different situation.
We've all seen the pictures, and those pictures tell a very sad story. Now I want to know the rest of the stories.
How many of these "parents" have a valid way to prove who they are? IF we can't easily verify, the kids would be removed temporarily and IMO rightfully so. How many of these 2,000 fall into that category?
We have to verify these kids actually belong with these adults. How long does that take? We all want the kids safe, so we have to be vigilant. The harder to verify I guess will determine how long the kids might be separated.
Next, how many of these parents are repeat offenders? Those that are have now committed a more serious crime, and their kids will be separated. That's nothing new with and should be expected.
Those are the statistics I'd like to know.
In addition, I heard there's a 600,000 case backlog on asylum requests. What are we supposed to do with these families while they wait? Catch and Release, under Bush and then reinstated under Obama, was a bad frickin' idea. The number of people that actually return to court to have their cases heard is extremely low. If they are let go, expect them to disappear.
My final point, something I heard Jason Chaffetz point out this morning, and I hadn't thought of, those seeking asylum are completely bypassing the US embassies in their countries of origin. Why? Why take such a long and dangerous trip, past the embassies, thru Mexico which offers asylum, to come here illegally? Because we don't have control over our immigration system, and they know it. They know our shortcomings and are counting on it.
These issues have been going for so long, under both democrats and republicans, and here we are again. It's spiraling out of control.
***eta*** To clarify about the embassies, those living in other countries can seek asylum AT the US embassies in their OWN countries, without having to make the long journey here. I'll assume they could go to a number of other countries' embassies and make the same request, yet they choose not to.
OMG!!
but good points devildog. I had no idea the backlog was so huge! I'm sure the backlong wasn't started with the Trump presidency. He's the one taking the heat though. I don't even like the guy!! Wish our representatives could work TOGETHER to help solve this problem. It's not gonna be an easy task for any of them though since the atmosphere is so rabid on both sides right now. They can't seem to agree on anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:06:24 GMT
Conservatives who think its ok to have the children separated: I am genuinely curious about something, and I would like to understand how you balance your belief that children should be taken care of by the US Government but also hold on to the idea that the government should be limited. How do you manage both of those ideas? As it is right now, the US Government is being a babysitter (and definitely not a good babysitter, at that) for these children. If you believe big government is wrong, why is it ok for them to be the government babysitter? Would it not be better to allow those parents who are seeking asylum to parent their child than some random government worker? The reality is our government is going to lose some of these children and not be able to reunite them with their families. Which means that the children will become part of our system - needing Government insurance, services, food stamps, etc. Costing all of us resources. And before someone starts making claims I am a liberal trying to stir the pot, I am not. I *am* one of you, on most instances, and this is why I do want to understand. I am not going to call you names, make jokes at your expense, or any crap like that. Since those seeking asylum that come thru the proper way don't have their families split, I'm not discussing those families.
There are roughly 12,000 kids being held right now. 10,000 of them came unaccompanied, so I'm not talking about them. That's an entirely different situation.
We've all seen the pictures, and those pictures tell a very sad story. Now I want to know the rest of the stories.
How many of these "parents" have a valid way to prove who they are? IF we can't easily verify, the kids would be removed temporarily and IMO rightfully so. How many of these 2,000 fall into that category?
We have to verify these kids actually belong with these adults. How long does that take? We all want the kids safe, so we have to be vigilant. The harder to verify I guess will determine how long the kids might be separated.
Next, how many of these parents are repeat offenders? Those that are have now committed a more serious crime, and their kids will be separated. That's nothing new with and should be expected.
Those are the statistics I'd like to know.
In addition, I heard there's a 600,000 case backlog on asylum requests. What are we supposed to do with these families while they wait? Catch and Release, under Bush and then reinstated under Obama, was a bad frickin' idea. The number of people that actually return to court to have their cases heard is extremely low. If they are let go, expect them to disappear.
My final point, something I heard Jason Chaffetz point out this morning, and I hadn't thought of, those seeking asylum are completely bypassing the US embassies in their countries of origin. Why? Why take such a long and dangerous trip, past the embassies, thru Mexico which offers asylum, to come here illegally? Because we don't have control over our immigration system, and they know it. They know our shortcomings and are counting on it.
These issues have been going for so long, under both democrats and republicans, and here we are again. It's spiraling out of control.
***eta*** To clarify about the embassies, those living in other countries can seek asylum AT the US embassies in their OWN countries, without having to make the long journey here. I'll assume they could go to a number of other countries' embassies and make the same request, yet they choose not to.
. Three questions you should ask. 1. What changed at the southern borders to warrant this increase in risk to our security that trump claims? 2. What about these guys? “Rubio says 40% of illegal immigrants stayed in the U.S. after their visas expired”. Shouldn’t they be considered a risk to our security? If they want immigrate to our country shouldn’t they go through the embassy and do it the right way? Why isn’t trump going after these guys the way he is going after the ones crossing the southern border? I got this figure from politifact who rated Rubio’s claim as mostly true. 3. What about our ocean borders. If there such a big security risk of millions flooding into our country like trump contends what about the ocean borders. What’s his plan? Now I could give my version of what I believe is happening and why but that would be the terrible liberal view. But I do believe these are questions all Americans should ask if our security is at risk as much as trump says it is. And what are his plans in dealing with the visa overstayers and our ocean borders? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:06:49 GMT
Apparently Peter Fonda needs to be locked up. What an idiot.
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Post by katybee on Jun 20, 2018 17:07:27 GMT
Easy. Because children were not being separated from their parents. See there? Babies with mama s.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:08:06 GMT
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Post by katybee on Jun 20, 2018 17:09:30 GMT
You chose ONE of the photos. Thanks. You don't KNOW that that is a mother--it might be a sister, or someone there that is holding the kid! Did you actually look at the photos? There were lots of kids with their parents. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:11:08 GMT
. Three questions you should ask. 1. What changed at the southern borders to warrant this increase in risk to our security that trump claims? Have you seen what is happening in Europe? I can't even believe you'd post that question. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:11:54 GMT
You chose ONE of the photos. Thanks. You don't KNOW that that is a mother--it might be a sister, or someone there that is holding the kid! Did you actually look at the photos? There were lots of kids with their parents. Yes I looked at the photos. There were also lots of kids without parents. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 20, 2018 17:17:59 GMT
But I do believe these are questions all Americans should ask if our security is at risk as much as trump says it is. Then there are those of us who do NOT believe our security and borders are being risked as much as Trump says it is. He's a showman and this is his latest schtick to get attention. a distraction and to get his stupid wall funded. (eta: I fixed it- he doesn't want JUST attention...) |
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Post by katybee on Jun 20, 2018 17:18:13 GMT
Did you actually look at the photos? There were lots of kids with their parents. Yes I looked at the photos. There were also lots of kids without parents. You do know that the action of automatically separating children from parents just began 6 weeks ago, right? |
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Post by betty on Jun 20, 2018 17:19:02 GMT
Apparently Peter Fonda needs to be locked up. What an idiot.
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Post by katybee on Jun 20, 2018 17:24:32 GMT
. Three questions you should ask. 1. What changed at the southern borders to warrant this increase in risk to our security that trump claims? Have you seen what is happening in Europe? I can't even believe you'd post that question. What exactly is happening in Europe? Is it those skyrocketing crime rates in Germany? The ones President Trump tweeted about? 10% or more! I know it’s hard to imagine that President Trump would ever lie...but yeah...he did. Crime in Germany is actually at a 25 year low. www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/20/president-trumps-claim-that-crime-is-up-in-germany/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:25:10 GMT
Since those seeking asylum that come thru the proper way don't have their families split, I'm not discussing those families.
There are roughly 12,000 kids being held right now. 10,000 of them came unaccompanied, so I'm not talking about them. That's an entirely different situation.
We've all seen the pictures, and those pictures tell a very sad story. Now I want to know the rest of the stories.
How many of these "parents" have a valid way to prove who they are? IF we can't easily verify, the kids would be removed temporarily and IMO rightfully so. How many of these 2,000 fall into that category?
We have to verify these kids actually belong with these adults. How long does that take? We all want the kids safe, so we have to be vigilant. The harder to verify I guess will determine how long the kids might be separated.
Next, how many of these parents are repeat offenders? Those that are have now committed a more serious crime, and their kids will be separated. That's nothing new with and should be expected.
Those are the statistics I'd like to know.
In addition, I heard there's a 600,000 case backlog on asylum requests. What are we supposed to do with these families while they wait? Catch and Release, under Bush and then reinstated under Obama, was a bad frickin' idea. The number of people that actually return to court to have their cases heard is extremely low. If they are let go, expect them to disappear.
My final point, something I heard Jason Chaffetz point out this morning, and I hadn't thought of, those seeking asylum are completely bypassing the US embassies in their countries of origin. Why? Why take such a long and dangerous trip, past the embassies, thru Mexico which offers asylum, to come here illegally? Because we don't have control over our immigration system, and they know it. They know our shortcomings and are counting on it.
These issues have been going for so long, under both democrats and republicans, and here we are again. It's spiraling out of control.
***eta*** To clarify about the embassies, those living in other countries can seek asylum AT the US embassies in their OWN countries, without having to make the long journey here. I'll assume they could go to a number of other countries' embassies and make the same request, yet they choose not to.
. Three questions you should ask. 1. What changed at the southern borders to warrant this increase in risk to our security that trump claims? 2. What about these guys? “Rubio says 40% of illegal immigrants stayed in the U.S. after their visas expired”. Shouldn’t they be considered a risk to our security? If they want immigrate to our country shouldn’t they go through the embassy and do it the right way? Why isn’t trump going after these guys the way he is going after the ones crossing the southern border? I got this figure from politifact who rated Rubio’s claim as mostly true. 3. What about our ocean borders. If there such a big security risk of millions flooding into our country like trump contends what about the ocean borders. What’s his plan? Now I could give my version of what I believe is happening and why but that would be the terrible liberal view. But I do believe these are questions all Americans should ask if our security is at risk as much as trump says it is. And what are his plans in dealing with the visa overstayers and our ocean borders? 1. Surge in border crossings. Surge in drug cartels, violence and drugs. Surge in human smugglers. These ARE security concerns.
2. ICE and Homeland Security continue to aggressively pursue those that have overstayed their welcomes, with a main focus on those that have committed serious crimes. Trump's directing they act accordingly so I don't know your point.
3. When we have millions hitting our borders by water, we'll discuss further.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:26:40 GMT
Apparently Peter Fonda needs to be locked up. What an idiot.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 20, 2018 17:27:33 GMT
Yes I looked at the photos. There were also lots of kids without parents. You do know that the action of automatically separating children from parents just began 6 weeks ago, right? Chances are not good. Just like some don't believe that some children have also been separated from their parents when following all rules while seeking asylum. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 20, 2018 17:29:42 GMT
1. Surge in border crossings. Surge in drug cartels, violence and drugs. Surge in human smugglers. These ARE security concerns. there IS no 'surge' in border crossings. The number is higher than the previous year, but that's because the previous year's numbers were lower than average. THERE IS NO "SURGE" or "HUGE WAVE" of people waiting in the bushes to come over the border. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 20, 2018 17:32:59 GMT
3. What about our ocean borders. If there such a big security risk of millions flooding into our country like trump contends what about the ocean borders. What’s his plan? Unfortunately he is cutting funding for the Coast Guard, which makes our water borders more vulnerable. 1. Surge in border crossings. Migrant workers to take care of the crops we want to buy and eat. |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 20, 2018 17:33:15 GMT
the federal government is in charge of the nation’s security. That’s the main principle of small government. Border security is part of national security. Yes. I agree. But do you really think that separating the kids from their parents is the only way to protect the border? Or maybe I should ask: how is separating the kids from their parents protecting the border? SaveSaveI was answering your question about big government and conservatives. As a conservative I believe the federal govt is here for the protection of the nation. Border security falls under that umbrella. I’m not wading into the act of separating children from parents just confirming this is the jurisdiction of the feds. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:36:23 GMT
My final point, something I heard Jason Chaffetz point out this morning, and I hadn't thought of, those seeking asylum are completely bypassing the US embassies in their countries of origin. Why? Why take such a long and dangerous trip, past the embassies, thru Mexico which offers asylum, to come here illegally? Because we don't have control over our immigration system, and they know it. They know our shortcomings and are counting on it.
These issues have been going for so long, under both democrats and republicans, and here we are again. It's spiraling out of control.
***eta*** To clarify about the embassies, those living in other countries can seek asylum AT the US embassies in their OWN countries, without having to make the long journey here. I'll assume they could go to a number of other countries' embassies and make the same request, yet they choose not to.
That isn't correct. Asylum a form of legal protection available to certain people who cannot or would not feel safe if they tried to live in their home country, because of past persecution or the danger of future persecution based on their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. Unfortunately, U.S. embassies and consulates cannot process requests for this form of protection because, under U.S. law, asylum seekers can apply only if they are physically present in the United States (or at least at a U.S. border or other point of entry).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:39:56 GMT
Shame on Mr. Chaffetz. I stand corrected.
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Post by mom on Jun 20, 2018 17:40:58 GMT
Conservatives who think its ok to have the children separated: I am genuinely curious about something, and I would like to understand how you balance your belief that children should be taken care of by the US Government but also hold on to the idea that the government should be limited. How do you manage both of those ideas? As it is right now, the US Government is being a babysitter (and definitely not a good babysitter, at that) for these children. If you believe big government is wrong, why is it ok for them to be the government babysitter? Would it not be better to allow those parents who are seeking asylum to parent their child than some random government worker? The reality is our government is going to lose some of these children and not be able to reunite them with their families. Which means that the children will become part of our system - needing Government insurance, services, food stamps, etc. Costing all of us resources. And before someone starts making claims I am a liberal trying to stir the pot, I am not. I *am* one of you, on most instances, and this is why I do want to understand. I am not going to call you names, make jokes at your expense, or any crap like that. Since those seeking asylum that come thru the proper way don't have their families split, I'm not discussing those families.
There are roughly 12,000 kids being held right now. 10,000 of them came unaccompanied, so I'm not talking about them. That's an entirely different situation.
We've all seen the pictures, and those pictures tell a very sad story. Now I want to know the rest of the stories.
How many of these "parents" have a valid way to prove who they are? IF we can't easily verify, the kids would be removed temporarily and IMO rightfully so. How many of these 2,000 fall into that category?
We have to verify these kids actually belong with these adults. How long does that take? We all want the kids safe, so we have to be vigilant. The harder to verify I guess will determine how long the kids might be separated. I agree, we need to verify these kids belong to their parents. BUT is what we are doing the best way? Separating them and sending children to live in tents and cages the only way to do this? I am looking at this as if it could be my kid sent to live in these camps. Do I expect them to be four star quality? No. But
Next, how many of these parents are repeat offenders? Those that are have now committed a more serious crime, and their kids will be separated. That's nothing new with and should be expected.
Those are the statistics I'd like to know.
In addition, I heard there's a 600,000 case backlog on asylum requests. What are we supposed to do with these families while they wait? Catch and Release, under Bush and then reinstated under Obama, was a bad frickin' idea. The number of people that actually return to court to have their cases heard is extremely low. If they are let go, expect them to disappear. You are right. They will disappear. But separating them from their children (and risking losing their children) will not help them want to become productive American citizens (eventually). Why can't they be held together? And if they MUST be separated, why can't we find a more humane way to do so? Surely there can be a way to keep parents and kids in close proximity until they sort it all out?
My final point, something I heard Jason Chaffetz point out this morning, and I hadn't thought of, those seeking asylum are completely bypassing the US embassies in their countries of origin. Why? Why take such a long and dangerous trip, past the embassies, thru Mexico which offers asylum, to come here illegally? Because we don't have control over our immigration system, and they know it. They know our shortcomings and are counting on it. It is not required that they seek asylum at their embassy. Is it an option? Yes. But it is completely legal for them to present themselves at the border, and claim asylum. If we want to require them to seek asylum at the Embassies, then so be it. Lets make a law and do that. But that isn't what is legally required now.
These issues have been going for so long, under both democrats and republicans, and here we are again. It's spiraling out of control.
***eta*** To clarify about the embassies, those living in other countries can seek asylum AT the US embassies in their OWN countries, without having to make the long journey here. I'll assume they could go to a number of other countries' embassies and make the same request, yet they choose not to.
I think you do have some valid points (needing to verify the children parents). But I go back to my original thought that the US can do better. We have to do better. I don't think this will be an easy fix. It took a long time to get this way (and 'help' from both parties). But dang it. We have 5 year olds in what is essentially dog kennels, sleeping on mats. We, as a country, treat those who have blown up Federal Buildings and killed people better than we are treating these children. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:44:27 GMT
Since those seeking asylum that come thru the proper way don't have their families split, I'm not discussing those families.
There are roughly 12,000 kids being held right now. 10,000 of them came unaccompanied, so I'm not talking about them. That's an entirely different situation.
We've all seen the pictures, and those pictures tell a very sad story. Now I want to know the rest of the stories.
How many of these "parents" have a valid way to prove who they are? IF we can't easily verify, the kids would be removed temporarily and IMO rightfully so. How many of these 2,000 fall into that category?
We have to verify these kids actually belong with these adults. How long does that take? We all want the kids safe, so we have to be vigilant. The harder to verify I guess will determine how long the kids might be separated. I agree, we need to verify these kids belong to their parents. BUT is what we are doing the best way? Separating them and sending children to live in tents and cages the only way to do this? I am looking at this as if it could be my kid sent to live in these camps. Do I expect them to be four star quality? No. But
Next, how many of these parents are repeat offenders? Those that are have now committed a more serious crime, and their kids will be separated. That's nothing new with and should be expected.
Those are the statistics I'd like to know.
In addition, I heard there's a 600,000 case backlog on asylum requests. What are we supposed to do with these families while they wait? Catch and Release, under Bush and then reinstated under Obama, was a bad frickin' idea. The number of people that actually return to court to have their cases heard is extremely low. If they are let go, expect them to disappear. You are right. They will disappear. But separating them from their children (and risking losing their children) will not help them want to become productive American citizens (eventually). Why can't they be held together? And if they MUST be separated, why can't we find a more humane way to do so? Surely there can be a way to keep parents and kids in close proximity until they sort it all out?
My final point, something I heard Jason Chaffetz point out this morning, and I hadn't thought of, those seeking asylum are completely bypassing the US embassies in their countries of origin. Why? Why take such a long and dangerous trip, past the embassies, thru Mexico which offers asylum, to come here illegally? Because we don't have control over our immigration system, and they know it. They know our shortcomings and are counting on it. It is not required that they seek asylum at their embassy. Is it an option? Yes. But it is completely legal for them to present themselves at the border, and claim asylum. If we want to require them to seek asylum at the Embassies, then so be it. Lets make a law and do that. But that isn't what is legally required now.
These issues have been going for so long, under both democrats and republicans, and here we are again. It's spiraling out of control.
***eta*** To clarify about the embassies, those living in other countries can seek asylum AT the US embassies in their OWN countries, without having to make the long journey here. I'll assume they could go to a number of other countries' embassies and make the same request, yet they choose not to.
I think you do have some valid points (needing to verify the children parents). But I go back to my original thought that the US can do better. We have to do better. I don't think this will be an easy fix. It took a long time to get this way (and 'help' from both parties). But dang it. We have 5 year olds in what is essentially dog kennels, sleeping on mats. We, as a country, treat those who have blown up Federal Buildings and killed people better than we are treating these children. SaveSaveI stand corrected on the ability to seek asylum at a US consulate, it was incorrect information.
We definitely need to come up with something better, I agree.
I'm curious to see what's getting signed today.
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Post by mom on Jun 20, 2018 17:46:40 GMT
I think you do have some valid points (needing to verify the children parents). But I go back to my original thought that the US can do better. We have to do better. I don't think this will be an easy fix. It took a long time to get this way (and 'help' from both parties). But dang it. We have 5 year olds in what is essentially dog kennels, sleeping on mats. We, as a country, treat those who have blown up Federal Buildings and killed people better than we are treating these children. SaveSaveI stand corrected on the ability to seek asylum at a US consulate, it was incorrect information.
We definitely need to come up with something better, I agree.
I'm curious to see what's getting signed today.
Yeah, I saw that after I posted. I didn't want to delete anything in case someone got pissy about deleting posts. LOL SaveSave |
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Post by mom on Jun 20, 2018 17:50:11 GMT
Apparently Peter Fonda needs to be locked up. What an idiot.
What a f*ing jackass. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 20, 2018 17:51:01 GMT
Unfortunately he is cutting funding for the Coast Guard, which makes our water borders more vulnerable What about the 20 million it cost the Coast Guard to protect Mar A Lago during his trips there? Taxpayers have paid nearly $20 million for extra Coast Guard patrols that protected President Trump by land and sea during 16 winter and spring trips to West Palm Beach since his inauguration, according to new records obtained by USA TODAY.The spending records include all but one of his trips to his Mar-a-Lago estate in South Florida since the inauguration in January 2017. The data, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, does not include the cost of a weeklong trip in April when Trump hosted Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The president has spent 69 days of his presidency at Mar-a-Lago, 33 at his course in Bedminster, N.J., and 31 at Trump National in Sterling, Va. Each trip to Florida hits the Coast Guard budget for more than $1 million, the records show, and is only a part of the costs taxpayers pay for the president’s affinity for visiting the estate he calls the “Southern White House.”https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/20/trump-visits-mar-lago-cost-coast-guard-nearly-20-million/715905002/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 17:53:00 GMT
You do know that the action of automatically separating children from parents just began 6 weeks ago, right? Chances are not good. Just like some don't believe that some children have also been separated from their parents when following all rules while seeking asylum. Libarals aren't the only ones keeping track of the news. Thank you very much. Conservatives also cherish the "family unit" believe it or not. Conservatives aren't the uncaring and uninvolved people they are being made out to be. |
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Post by dewryce on Jun 20, 2018 17:57:16 GMT
Chances are not good. Just like some don't believe that some children have also been separated from their parents when following all rules while seeking asylum. Libarals aren't the only ones keeping track of the news. Thank you very much. Conservatives also cherish the "family unit" believe it or not. Conservatives aren't the uncaring and uninvolved people they are being made out to be. That's fair. We should acknowledge though, that the opposite has been demonstrated by some recently, in this very thread. Still, it was bitchy of me to say it in your thread simply to make a dig and I sincerely apologize. I was sarcastically venting my frustrations and this is not the place for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 18:06:19 GMT
Libarals aren't the only ones keeping track of the news. Thank you very much. Conservatives also cherish the "family unit" believe it or not. Conservatives aren't the uncaring and uninvolved people they are being made out to be. That's fair. We should acknowledge though, that the opposite has been demonstrated by some recently, in this very thread. Still, it was bitchy of me to say it in your thread simply to make a dig and I sincerely apologize. I was sarcastically venting my frustrations and this is not the place for that. apology accepted. The conservatives are frustrated also. It shouldn't take an "executive order" to get anything done. It should be up to our elected officials to take the lead.
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You don't KNOW that that is a mother--it might be a sister, or someone there that is holding the kid!
