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there was no law that demanded separation of families.

first link I came to

You mean that you’re making yourselves out to be. I’m sorry to be harsh. But if you in any way denied or defended this policy, I think you are uncaring. Period. We can have differences on immigration policy. But not on this. This has been unforgivable. 

Nuclear option.

<whispers> ...maybe because it wouldn't suit their purposes to do it that way??

or is that my cynicism showing again??

Yep.

That was different from any other acceptance speech I've ever heard. Half of it was terrific.



He's a walking poster for ADD! 

It probably is an option but one I would hate to see them use.  I would much rather see our representatives vote using common sense and not just along party lines all the time.  McCain wasn't afraid to buck the party, I can't understand why the more moderate democrats are so afraid of Schumer and Pelosi. 

Wether or not they're up for reelection should should never come into play when passing laws for the entire country.  

Human trafficking??? Are you accusing me of human trafficking?

The illegal immigrants coming across our borders need food, housing, and other necessities. Who do you think will be supplying those needs? It's the people in our nation who can least afford it. My concern is for the thousands of children and their families who are struggling every day in this country just to afford the necessities. If you can't understand the implications, then I don't know what else to tell you.

. Then I take it you don’t support the Republican agenda of tax cuts , certainly not for the poor, and then cutting the federal programs that help these folks to pay for the tax cuts. Right? Because if you actually do have concerns for these folks struggling every day in this country just to afford the necessities you would know the Republican agenda doesn’t help them at all, in fact it makes their daily struggle harder.

Your post makes good sense...and I agree.

I'm conservative.

The rest of your question doesn't really apply to me, though, so all I can do is give you my limited perspective at this moment. In general, I see this specific new policy of separation as temporary and possibly even already addressed by actions taken by President Trump today and/or hopefully, future actions by the Congress.



In general, not specifically what has been deemed news-worthy the past several days...


Not all of those coming to our border's edge with children are actual families. Many of these children are not the child(ren) of those attempting to enter the country. It's a horrific situation that unfortunately is real.

Mixed among those persons, whether they are in honest family units or alone and who are truly seeking a better life, are those who are some of the evilest, most corrupt on the planet. No horror is too great to inflict on someone else by them if there is money and power to be gained.

I don't have a link for you, but I have heard a border agent speak about the number of children who are - in his words - simply dropped as soon as the person accompanying them gets what they can from having them along - which is easier entry into the country.

And that's not even counting the number of children who are taken against their family's will and are brought in to the US as cheap free labor or worse, are sold into the illicit sex trade.

Once here, too many of the children are lost track of and too many of the adults never show up for their hearings. We let them in and they simply disappear into the throng.

We can not continue to turn blind eyes to the destructive nature of the evil that continues to come across our border hiding among the good people who need help.

There are children at the border that need to be taken not from loving families but from those who prey on them.




On top of that, the number seeking asylum has skyrocketed in recent years. The backlog is something like 600,000 people waiting to go through the system.





The "cages" are the same as the "cages" around school playgrounds all across America, and children are/were there for a short time on a temporary basis. Most are reunited with their families in a matter of hours. Those who aren't reunited join other children, who either were abandoned soon after entering or who came into this country alone, in facilities/group homes where they are kept safe, clean, fed, and are taught English and a bit about America, and are given time to play. It's far from ideal, but they are treated far better than too many of our own children who are living in abject poverty, so it certainly could be far worse.


Do I want families separated, with children "ripped from loving arms". No. I'm still haunted by this image of Elian Gonzales.



Is that what we're dealing with here? Battle-ready soldiers are breaking into people's homes and taking these children at the point of an assault weapon? You know, like what really happened in WWII.




This comparison to concentration camps being repeated everywhere is a true sin against the millions who suffered unspeakable hardships. The families that survive such terrible loss and the memory of those who did not survive all deserve better.




When you equalize what's been happening this week, where children have been temporarily separated from whomever they were with when they reached our national border - and that person or person is often not even their family - with some of the most brutal treatment people have ever been subjected to, you lose my respect.

Couple that with timing that I just can't accept as coincidental and the Democrat's demand that Trump "take his pen" and create an immediate change to how family separation will be handled at the border without baring any actual responsibility themselves, and you have a situation that I see as nothing more than preying even further on those who need our compassion and our help.



Blame is not on one individual or one administration. It's not even on one country. This is a reality that is made very complicated by the duality of good people building a better future and bad people seeking to destroy that which is good all mixed together.

It's time to make it easier for the good people and harder for the bad people for a change! Build the wall. Get through the asylum seeker backlog. Make illegal immigration a virtual non-issue. And keep this terrible situation from being possible in the future.

I agree-  but honestly, I think MOST of what EVERY politician does nowadays is MAINLY for how it looks to the voters, or whether it's paying back any lobbyists or big donors (either past or future).

The whole 'lame duck' session idea, and the idea of 'we can't pass THAT bill because it's only 6 months till the election and I don't want to look bad to my constituents or donors' is getting really old. Not that they'd ever do it, but I wish they'd pass some sort of law that says election 'season' can only be 6 weeks long or less, like in some other countries. And that outside of that period of time, they'd actually have to do their JOB- which is to discuss and vote on legislation, not just 'kick the can down the road' with every issue. (I HATE that phrase with the fire of a thousand suns... I don't know why it bothers me so much, but it does.)

What a bunch of absolute baloney! Your post says a lot more about you than it does me.