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Post by redhead32 on Jun 22, 2018 22:25:01 GMT
According to Forbes, the democratic base didn't turn out to vote in 2016. linkbut but but that article doesn't fit the Liberal narrative. Right. Liberal tears and all that. We got it. |
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Post by elaine on Jun 22, 2018 22:27:09 GMT
Here in DC in August. The smugness that you and leftturnonly have in your ignorance about what is actually happening in our country is fascinating. Are you proud to be uninformed? excuse me. I said AROUND HERE--and DC is definitely not around where I live, so as for your "ignorance" and "uninformed" comment, I'll leave it there-but you can be very condescending at times, and it's not appreciated. You are not the only one on the board that is informed. Wah-wah-wah. Or as Lewandowski says, whomp-whomp. You clearly had no clue, nor leftturnonly, that there is a big white nationalist rally happening this summer. Ignorant is as ingnorant does or posts. You can be very smug in your ignorance sometimes and it’s not appreciated either. And like you, I could not care less if you appreciate my posts or not. If you are going to post in the style that you do, you better grow a thick skin, because people will call you on it. |
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 22, 2018 22:27:41 GMT
Checking my calendar... and nope. No white supremacist rallies are scheduled in the near future. Not in the near future. Not in the distant future. And at absolutely no moment in the past. How 'bout y'all? Anyone here have any white supremacist rallies on their agenda? Actually one of the organizers of the Charlottesville white supremacist rally has applied for permits for another one this summer in Washington DC. I’m traveling and on my phone so linking is difficult. I knew exactly what this was referring to, because it has been in the media over the last few days. Mind you, I hate it but the Parks Service can't censor content and can't deny the permit. |
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Post by peano on Jun 22, 2018 22:29:25 GMT
Here in DC in August. The smugness that you and leftturnonly have in your ignorance about what is actually happening in our country is fascinating. Are you proud to be uninformed? excuse me. I said AROUND HERE--and DC is definitely not around where I live, so as for your "ignorance" and "uninformed" comment, I'll leave it there-but you can be very condescending at times, and it's not appreciated. You are not the only one on the board that is informed. I guess what I was responding to was your and Leftturnonly’s apparent cavalier and snarky attitude about a group that has already caused one death and whose sole mission is to spread a message of hate and violence. I wonder about someone for whom this is apparently A-OK. |
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 22, 2018 22:34:59 GMT
I agree, definitely calculated (and a bad idea IMO). I think it was directed at the press.
Melania has been mocked because of her accent, ridiculed when reading books to kids, criticized for wearing high heels, ripped for a $51k coat, the media spent weeks playing "where's Melania" with people wanting to know what her medical procedure was, suggested she's hiding in the basement or somewhere because she's being beat by her husband, and now some asshat thought it a good idea to suggest her son be put in a cage with pedophiles.
I think that coat was two middle fingers to the press.
I'm glad that got brought up here as I was dying to discuss it but refuse to do so on that absolutely nasty other thread. My DIL and I were discussing that coat last night. To put things in perspective, my DIL teaches diplomacy and public relations at a university. Her emphasis is Middle East. Her sympathies lie with Palestine. So you can imagine how much we have in common politically. But here's the amazing thing--we can actually discuss politics without screaming and calling each other names and end up still loving each other to death! But back to the coat: We agree with what devildog said above. I think Melania has had enough! She's held her head up high when the left went to rallies with "Rape Melania" signs. She's heard her accent mocked when she's tried to fulfill her role as FLOTUS (but heaven forbid she retire to the background--then she's criticized for NOT filling the role). She's seen comedians hold her husband's bloody head up in effigy. She been criticized for her expensive clothes (guess we've all forgotten Jackie Kennedy and Nancy Reagan who most certainly matched her in apparel costs--but you know, it's different because this is TRUMP's wife), she's weathered the vicious press hounding her every move--even saying that she couldn't have had that kidney procedure because she was in the hospital longer than the press thought necessary, so it must have been a face lift---or, even MORE likely, Trump beat her and she was recovering! And now she hears a famous (whether you young'uns ever heard of him or not) actor suggest that her CHILD be ripped from her arms an put in a cage with pedophiles. All this from the left (and a lot of it agreed with by the left on this very forum). And I think she had had enough! I absolutely agree that it was a stick-it-in-your-eye slap at her critics. Even my DIL agrees that Melania has had more than enough. But she and I agree too, that she shouldn't have done it. It was not classy and it WILL be remembered to the day she dies. She has been nothing but a class act so far as FLOTUS, and I wish she'd kept it that way. But I admit that I have a teeny-tiny bit of respect for her courage. I hope that you all note that I said "I THINK" throughout all this. I cannot believe all the Peas who have posted on the other thread stating their opinions as absolute fact. No one knows the real story. We can only give our opinions. I respect your opinion, even though I could have done without the condescension about people who just can't get along when they hold differing values. That being said, I cannot even fathom the response if Michelle Obama had done this. She suffered equally if not more as First Lady. The bloody head? Her husband was lynched in effigy, a much more loaded form of imagery. She faced not only political attacks but racial attacks as well. And the whole time, she took the high road. Melania Trump was a birther who posed semi-nude, and yesterday decided to use her back as a public billboard for some sort of coded protest. I don't know why, I don't pretend to know why, but classy and courageous are the furthest thing from my mind when I try to find words to describe her actions. She could change history. She could advocate for those kids and those families, as an immigrant and a mother. Instead, she gives a veiled middle finger to ... who? Why? If my high school kids did this, they'd face consequences. Not accolades. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 22:39:24 GMT
excuse me. I said AROUND HERE--and DC is definitely not around where I live, so as for your "ignorance" and "uninformed" comment, I'll leave it there-but you can be very condescending at times, and it's not appreciated. You are not the only one on the board that is informed. Wah-wah-wah. Or as Lewandowski says, whomp-whomp. You clearly had no clue, nor leftturnonly, that there is a big white nationalist rally happening this summer. Ignorant is as ingnorant does or posts. You can be very smug in your ignorance sometimes and it’s not appreciated either. And like you, I could not care less if you appreciate my posts or not. If you are going to post in the style that you do, you better grow a thick skin, because people will call you on it. blah blah blah--grow up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 23:29:39 GMT
So, I've searched here and what a surprise; not a word from our liberal peas about Peter Fonda tweeting about kidnapping and torturing Baron Trump. in part because I knew as soon as I saw it people would twist it around & try to make it mean something it didn't mean.
He wasn't saying he would take Trump's kid. He was simply asking the question.... would Trump be so cavalier about the issue of tearing families apart if he was on the receiving end of it. He wasn't saying, "I want X to happen..." He was saying to Trump, "Put yourselves in someone else's shoes. It was an exceptional dumb tweet & a bad take on the situation. That kind of thinking will never sway Trump, because he doesn't actually have feelings. He cares only about himself. Everyone in his life is simply an object to be used for his own purposes. He is completely incapable of feeling any kind of love for anyone but himself... total malignant narcissist. On some level, I genuinely do feel some empathy for him; I can't imagine what his parents must have done to him to turn him into the monster he grew up to be. And I hate that he's carried it on to the next generation of his family. Tiffany should actually consider herself lucky she's been away from him so much; Marla may have saved her soul. If he was saying that, then he would have used those words, but he didn't. He used these words... "We should rip Barron Trump from his mother's arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles..."No one took that to mean something it didn't mean except you and Skellington. Both of you excused him. Leave it to the woman who said, literally, "Trump needs to be taken out by any means necessary." and "Hopefully Trump leaves office in a body bag." to rewrite Fonda's words in a kinder, gentler way so as to excuse him for the hateful, vile thing he wished/encouraged on an innocent little boy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 23:36:49 GMT
As I said... Obama DID separate families and leave them in detention while he deported the men in this "horrifically evil" policy. So yeah, the same conditions that Trump is being called evil, cruel and heartless for. So, either they're both evil, cruel and heartless for separating families and housing them in cages, or the labels are wrong. If it applies to one, it applies to the other. If it doesn't apply to one, it doesn't apply to the other. THAT was the topic, you don't get to then move the goalposts and start in on "whataboutism". Or is this where I follow the Left's playbook and accuse you of derailing the thread, being a troll, saying something racist (you didn't, but of course we all KNOW your hidden meaning), call you crazy and have 85 of my buddies pile on in agreement with me? I’m not left, right or Democrat. I’ve said that before. You keep bringing up Obama’s. I don’t give a crap about obama. You are what is wrong with this county. Both sides are full of shit. You just want to be right and point fingers and say they did it first! I don’t give a shit who did what first. When you see a kid being abused, you speak up or you’re just as bad as the abuser. I never heard of children being put in cages before and being kept there indefinitely. If it happened the republicans knew about it. Obama couldn’t fart without you guys knowing. So your stance is you knew about it yet you did nothing. I don’t really think all republicans are racist but you sure as hell can’t call yourselves Christian. Shame on you! Shame on all of you! Don't bother handslapping me for pointing fingers. That's the entire point of those on the Left being in this thread. Including you. Hypocrite. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 23:42:51 GMT
@mytnice No matter how many articles are linked, or news clips are shared, there will ALWAYS be an explanation or justification as to why this is ALL because of the republicans. Always. Under Bush? Republicans' fault. Under Clinton? Republicans' fault. Under Obama? Republicans' fault. Really--IF this was happening under Obama? YES, yes it was. But, because of the republicans of course. I saw a clip on CNN asking a democrat for an explanation about this same issue happening under the previous administration, and the woman couldn't even put two words together to form a coherent explanation.
So here we are, yet again. Trump and his administration came up with a really f'ed up way to deal with a decades long, and ever growing, immigration situation. We now have non-stop comparisons to the Holocaust, internment camps, bashing of republicans, criticism towards conservatives, questioning peoples' faith. What I don't see is anyone expressing suggestions for this decades long immigration situation. That's no mistake. It's coming though, wait and see. My prediction? Back to the old standby of "catch and release."
To be clear-I'm not a republican, democrat, or independent, nor am I religious. I'm just your average middle of the road citizen that can see thru the bullshit, and gets pissed that our elected officials continue to pass the buck on immigration, from both parties.
As an aside, I just saw this article on Yahoo (from Reuters) about the little girl crying that made national coverage and Time's cover. According to the girl's father, she was not separated from her mother. Go figure.
Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change my position on the photo if the story turns out to be untrue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 23:47:32 GMT
Disagree all you want, it was happening under Obama... From 2014 through 2015, the Kino Border Initiative (KBI) surveyed individuals deported to Nogales, Sonora. Their survey of 358 participants found: Almost 65 percent of migrants who were traveling
with immediate family were separated from those
family members (an increase of almost 10 percent from a survey by the Mexican Government, Las Encuestas sobre Migratión en las Fronteras Norte y Sud de México [EMIF] in 2012). o 13 percent of family separations included
the separation from a child.
o 20 percent of family separations were due
to the detention of another family member
(most likely connected to Operation
Streamline or another border prosecution
program).
o 30 percent of family separations were
attributable to lateral repatriation programs
such as ATEP or MIRP.
In 36 percent of the cases, individuals at the time of the interview were unsure of the location of their
family members.
69 percent of families surveyed reported an increased feeling of insecurity due to family separation during the deportation process. Separated families were also more than twice as likely as other surveyed participants to have experienced abuse in a short time following their removal. 38 percent of family members reported financial difficulties due to the separation.
Additionally, data from KBI’s basic questionnaire for migrants who arrived at their aid center from January to June of 2016 showed that: 36 individuals who were detained while crossing the
border were separated from a parent in the detention
and deportation process.
128 individuals were separated from their spouse. 67 individuals were separated from children.
124 individuals were separated from their siblings.Fine. As you do not acknowledge things like context or scale in your arguments, I’ll stipulate that the Obama administration was responsible for some family separation. I want to thank you for making me aware of the KINO border initiative, which sounds like a worthy organization that could use my financial support. Since you brought them up, you might also be interested in this newsletter piece of theirs, which both acknowledges the problem under Obama and details how much worse it has become under the present administration. Up to you, of course. www.kinoborderinitiative.org/children-and-parents-at-the-border/There is no context that makes the fact that Obama kept kids in cages and split families apart not true. |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 0:01:14 GMT
If there's one part of the political threads that is driving me batty - it's that a conservative will bring up the fact that a policy was actually began under a previous president and be lambasted on the whole "someone else's bad behavior doesn't mean that it's okay now" while at the same time any issue with current behavior - on this thread it's threatening the president's child or mocking his wife - we get the whole - the Obama's had it worse. Seriously- check your own hypocrisy. No one said worse but they did have it pretty bad. Just an example of how people’s memories aren’t very good. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 23, 2018 0:08:08 GMT
If there's one part of the political threads that is driving me batty - it's that a conservative will bring up the fact that a policy was actually began under a previous president and be lambasted on the whole "someone else's bad behavior doesn't mean that it's okay now" while at the same time any issue with current behavior - on this thread it's threatening the president's child or mocking his wife - we get the whole - the Obama's had it worse. Seriously- check your own hypocrisy. No one said worse but they did have it pretty bad. Just an example of how people’s memories aren’t very good. Actually it has nothing to do with people’s memories. I condemned those people then and I’ll condemn people now. I refuse to lower my standards for acceptable behavior based on anyone else. By comparing and saying - we’ll xyz was worse - you’re just continuing to lower the bar. |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 0:11:01 GMT
I’m not left, right or Democrat. I’ve said that before. You keep bringing up Obama’s. I don’t give a crap about obama. You are what is wrong with this county. Both sides are full of shit. You just want to be right and point fingers and say they did it first! I don’t give a shit who did what first. When you see a kid being abused, you speak up or you’re just as bad as the abuser. I never heard of children being put in cages before and being kept there indefinitely. If it happened the republicans knew about it. Obama couldn’t fart without you guys knowing. So your stance is you knew about it yet you did nothing. I don’t really think all republicans are racist but you sure as hell can’t call yourselves Christian. Shame on you! Shame on all of you! Don't bother handslapping me for pointing fingers. That's the entire point of those on the Left being in this thread. Including you. Hypocrite. I was talking about people like you in both parties. You’re one of the biggest conservatives on this board. That means if Obama started it you knew about it. If you knew about it and didn’t do anything, you’re guilty of the abuse. It’s people like the liberals on this board that’s raising hell that will make trump back off. Why didn’t you and your party did that 4 years ago or whenever it was supposed to be. I don’t know about being a hypocrite but at least I’m not a child abuser. |
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 23, 2018 0:12:31 GMT
No one said worse but they did have it pretty bad. Just an example of how people’s memories aren’t very good. Actually it has nothing to do with people’s memories. I condemned those people then and I’ll condemn people now. I refuse to lower my standards for acceptable behavior based on anyone else. By comparing and saying - we’ll xyz was worse - you’re just continuing to lower the bar. That is pretty much the point. We are saying it wasn’t ok then and it isn’t ok now, no matter how much people try to twist and bend to justify things. I’m sick of the lowered bar. In this specific case, Melania’s actions were inappropriate. No matter who she is giving this message to, it is immature at best and vindictive at worst. She doesn’t get a pass for bad behavior like this. As strange as it might sound, it would probably make a lot of the liberal peas feel better to hear conservatives say “This crosses a line and we don’t like it.” I know a few have already, and it makes me feel like we might be able to find common ground on something. But the ones who have doubled down about “poor Melania” etc and given her some form of praise - ugh. No common ground there. We can’t agree on the despicableness of caging children nor the inappropriateness of the First Lady giving SOMEONE a coded middle finger. Not much to work with there. |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 0:13:46 GMT
No one said worse but they did have it pretty bad. Just an example of how people’s memories aren’t very good. Actually it has nothing to do with people’s memories. I condemned those people then and I’ll condemn people now. I refuse to lower my standards for acceptable behavior based on anyone else. By comparing and saying - we’ll xyz was worse - you’re just continuing to lower the bar. I agree with you but a lot and I mean a lot will say their party is above that. Another reason why I hate parties. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:16:08 GMT
@mytnice No matter how many articles are linked, or news clips are shared, there will ALWAYS be an explanation or justification as to why this is ALL because of the republicans. Always. Under Bush? Republicans' fault. Under Clinton? Republicans' fault. Under Obama? Republicans' fault. Really--IF this was happening under Obama? YES, yes it was. But, because of the republicans of course. I saw a clip on CNN asking a democrat for an explanation about this same issue happening under the previous administration, and the woman couldn't even put two words together to form a coherent explanation.
So here we are, yet again. Trump and his administration came up with a really f'ed up way to deal with a decades long, and ever growing, immigration situation. We now have non-stop comparisons to the Holocaust, internment camps, bashing of republicans, criticism towards conservatives, questioning peoples' faith. What I don't see is anyone expressing suggestions for this decades long immigration situation. That's no mistake. It's coming though, wait and see. My prediction? Back to the old standby of "catch and release."
To be clear-I'm not a republican, democrat, or independent, nor am I religious. I'm just your average middle of the road citizen that can see thru the bullshit, and gets pissed that our elected officials continue to pass the buck on immigration, from both parties.
As an aside, I just saw this article on Yahoo (from Reuters) about the little girl crying that made national coverage and Time's cover. According to the girl's father, she was not separated from her mother. Go figure.
Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change my position on the photo if the story turns out to be untrue.
We can go round and round with the blame game but If I saw a child you in a cage, I would try to get that child out of the cage. People can stand around and say it’s alright Obama put that child in the cage. What goes around comes around, I would say f your shit, I’m getting that child out of that cage! If you tried to stop me, I would punch you in the nose! I don’t care who’s fault it was. My reaction would be to protect the child. I’m not going to stand around and talk about how to get that child’s mother from crossing the border again. I would protect that child first. I’m neither Democrat or Republican. I’m 50 years old and only voted in the last 2 years. I’m just an ordinary person like you, if anything I was more conservative, but when I heard Trump speak I heard evil. Republicans don’t like it when we compare him to Hitler. I wonder why? Because it’s true. I heard how he talked about Latinos and Muslim and it sounded like trump talking about Jews. I told my husband trump will never get elected. We are better than this. When he talked about grabbing women’s pussies I told my husband my husband that’s the end for him. We are better than this. How wrong I was! In fact I heard people make excuses for him. People with daughters who I “use” to respect. People I “use” to respect saying how glad they don’t have to worry about political correctness anymore. In my family we have 2 Latino children, one biracial child and a bisexual daughter with a black boyfriend. If you don’t think racism is alive and well just walk behind us at the mall and see the nasty looks. Excuse me if I don’t like people looking at my daughter like they want to kill her because she is holding my Latino sons hand! Now these Neanderthals think they have a voice because the president is one of them. I heard his spiel of making America great again. What the hell? It was always great and he’s telling people it’s not? My mouth fell open but his people were eating it up! How dare he say my country’s not great! When I see him make fun of the handicapped reporter I thought people wouldn’t go for that! But his people laughed it off. Same at Hitler and his followers. They executed the handicapped because they were a drain. Then I saw he picked a homophobic running mate. I looked around with my mouth opened again and again his people were cheering. Like I said I never voted before this election but I’ve always been glad I was born here. I have two g grandfathers who served with George Washington. I have a grandfather who saw action in ww2. My dad served his country during the Korean War. I thought this country was great and my family helped make it great! When he got elected was the first time i was ashamed of us. I talked to my friends overseas and they asked how did we let this happen? Then I saw him persecuting transgenders in the military. Excuse but don’t you want people to serve? Then I saw him calling football players sons of bitches because they wouldn’t stand. My first thought was Hitler making people hiel him. I see him praising dictators of other countries. I’m sorry but our leader shouldn’t bow down to other leaders but his people praised him. There’s ton of other examples but I don’t have the time. I thought the right was the religious party. I’m religious (more spiritual now) went to church 3 times a week for 40 years. Use to teach the Bible to others. My husband has gotten up in front of over 100 people and gave a bible discourse. Never once in my bible has it said it’s alright to abuse a child becaus the other side started it first. Never once has it said to hate your neighbor because of the color of his skin. The Bible might have mentioned homosexuality but it talks a lot more about fornication as a sin. How many republicans are having sex out of wedlock. hypocrites. My bible does talk about love. God is love. I don’t see love in the Republican Party. I see hate. I see how the Bible had it right when it said man has dominated man to his injury. I see Democrats trying to stop this atrocity that is hitler (oh I mean trum)so I will vote Democrat until this evil is out of office. I don’t have all the answers about immigration but they will not make my country into Nazi germany. I don’t care what party your in. Not on my watch. That's what you aren't getting. NO ONE is saying it's alright. No one. What they ARE saying is, no one had a problem with it until it was Trump doing it. Just as you never bothered to vote until Trump.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:19:44 GMT
This is correct. I saw or heard an interview with the photographer who was taking photos at the border crossing(I think it was there). I cannot link what I heard or saw. My understanding is that it was taken after the mother put down her daughter so that the mother could be searched. I think it represents how stressful the whole experience is for these small children.That wasn't the point of the Time cover. It had Trump on it. The point of the cover was to demonize Trump. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 23, 2018 0:23:52 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:24:28 GMT
"Denis said his wife and daughter were never separated by border control agents and remain together." linkso that means they shouldn't have used that photo? is that what you're saying? The cover in no way implies that the little girl was separated from her mother-- it's just a visual representation of Trump's (not-very-welcoming) 'welcome to America' for immigrants, especially the most vulnerable (children). I have no problem with the Time cover using that particular photo- and I'm going to guess they (the Time magazine staff) probably knew that when they chose her image. That's the ENTIRE debacle. How can you possibly say it wasn't implying that she was separated from her family?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:25:21 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? YES!!!!!!!!! That! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:29:37 GMT
My understanding is that it was taken after the mother put down her daughter so that the mother could be searched. I think it represents how stressful the whole experience is for these small children.That wasn't the point of the Time cover. It had Trump on it. The point of the cover was to demonize Trump. His chosen actions are deliberately making those children cry. He is punishing these kids. So you think he should get a slap on the back and an “ atta boy” for his actions. Anybody who deliberately punishes kids as a deterrent to the parents deserves the cover that he got. |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 0:29:40 GMT
We can go round and round with the blame game but If I saw a child you in a cage, I would try to get that child out of the cage. People can stand around and say it’s alright Obama put that child in the cage. What goes around comes around, I would say f your shit, I’m getting that child out of that cage! If you tried to stop me, I would punch you in the nose! I don’t care who’s fault it was. My reaction would be to protect the child. I’m not going to stand around and talk about how to get that child’s mother from crossing the border again. I would protect that child first. I’m neither Democrat or Republican. I’m 50 years old and only voted in the last 2 years. I’m just an ordinary person like you, if anything I was more conservative, but when I heard Trump speak I heard evil. Republicans don’t like it when we compare him to Hitler. I wonder why? Because it’s true. I heard how he talked about Latinos and Muslim and it sounded like trump talking about Jews. I told my husband trump will never get elected. We are better than this. When he talked about grabbing women’s pussies I told my husband my husband that’s the end for him. We are better than this. How wrong I was! In fact I heard people make excuses for him. People with daughters who I “use” to respect. People I “use” to respect saying how glad they don’t have to worry about political correctness anymore. In my family we have 2 Latino children, one biracial child and a bisexual daughter with a black boyfriend. If you don’t think racism is alive and well just walk behind us at the mall and see the nasty looks. Excuse me if I don’t like people looking at my daughter like they want to kill her because she is holding my Latino sons hand! Now these Neanderthals think they have a voice because the president is one of them. I heard his spiel of making America great again. What the hell? It was always great and he’s telling people it’s not? My mouth fell open but his people were eating it up! How dare he say my country’s not great! When I see him make fun of the handicapped reporter I thought people wouldn’t go for that! But his people laughed it off. Same at Hitler and his followers. They executed the handicapped because they were a drain. Then I saw he picked a homophobic running mate. I looked around with my mouth opened again and again his people were cheering. Like I said I never voted before this election but I’ve always been glad I was born here. I have two g grandfathers who served with George Washington. I have a grandfather who saw action in ww2. My dad served his country during the Korean War. I thought this country was great and my family helped make it great! When he got elected was the first time i was ashamed of us. I talked to my friends overseas and they asked how did we let this happen? Then I saw him persecuting transgenders in the military. Excuse but don’t you want people to serve? Then I saw him calling football players sons of bitches because they wouldn’t stand. My first thought was Hitler making people hiel him. I see him praising dictators of other countries. I’m sorry but our leader shouldn’t bow down to other leaders but his people praised him. There’s ton of other examples but I don’t have the time. I thought the right was the religious party. I’m religious (more spiritual now) went to church 3 times a week for 40 years. Use to teach the Bible to others. My husband has gotten up in front of over 100 people and gave a bible discourse. Never once in my bible has it said it’s alright to abuse a child becaus the other side started it first. Never once has it said to hate your neighbor because of the color of his skin. The Bible might have mentioned homosexuality but it talks a lot more about fornication as a sin. How many republicans are having sex out of wedlock. hypocrites. My bible does talk about love. God is love. I don’t see love in the Republican Party. I see hate. I see how the Bible had it right when it said man has dominated man to his injury. I see Democrats trying to stop this atrocity that is hitler (oh I mean trum)so I will vote Democrat until this evil is out of office. I don’t have all the answers about immigration but they will not make my country into Nazi germany. I don’t care what party your in. Not on my watch. That's what you aren't getting. NO ONE is saying it's alright. No one. What they ARE saying is, no one had a problem with it until it was Trump doing it. Just as you never bothered to vote until Trump. What you’re not getting is I never heard of children being put in cages before trump. You conservatives hated obama. The republicans would have been all over it. I didn’t hear any outrage from you 4 years ago. So which is it? It happened 4 years ago and you conservatives didn’t say crap about it which makes you just as bad as the abuser. I guess fighting gay marriage was more important. Or it didn’t happened until trump. So what are you? A liar or a child abuser? |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 0:36:41 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? Lol. Maybe rush and hannity were off that day! You guys have your own media and outlets. You guys would have been all over it. Especially if it was to the extent as it is right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:37:35 GMT
exactly. Some people are just selfish. Even if they might consider themselves conservative, or at least lean that way. Even when that contrary point of view is that is it inhumane to rip young children from their parents (even though Fox aired commentary this morning that it's OK because aren't OUR children). I have tried to be respectful and thoughtful. I am much more of a centrist than liberal or conservative. I will not remain silent when people justify caging children, no matter which party they affiliate themselves with. I will not be silent when our country is choosing to dehumanize people. We've seen this play out over and over again throughout history. It does not end well. Ever. I just didn't think the United States would be on the wrong side this time around and that the justification "but a democrat did it first." After conservatives have been told to stay out of threads, to go play in their own sandbox, called trolls, been accused of derailing the thread, called crazy, all for having a different viewpoint and/or providing facts that contradict the group speak, you don't now get to come in here and complain about an echo chamber. No. Just no. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:38:49 GMT
That wasn't the point of the Time cover. It had Trump on it. The point of the cover was to demonize Trump. His chosen actions are deliberately making those children cry. He is punishing these kids. So you think he should get a slap on the back and an “ atta boy” got his actions.Anybody who deliberately punishes kids as a deterrent to the parents deserves the cover that he got. Don't come in here and make shit up FRED. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:44:30 GMT
More threats against Trump children : linkAll threats are horrible and should be investigated. Really though this is nothing new because past presidents have had their family members threatened as well. Are you shocked by this? This is the exact thing that conservatives are getting trashed for saying. I guess IOIYAD #doublestandard |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:54:35 GMT
A crying child who was not torn away from her mother and photos of "caged" children from the 2014 Obama administration era were instrumental in setting off this outrage against Trump. At the very same time, the inescapable truth of how a ridiculous story paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign was the basis for top FBI individuals to determine that Trump was guilty without finding actual proof and Hillary was innocent after finding hard proof that she was guilty is finally being told to the House Judiciary Hearings, all while the FBI & DOJ continue to refuse to turn over the un-redacted documents that they are required to turn over. Same old handbook. Do not forget the audio of a six year old asking to call her aunt and other children crying for their parents. That is CURRENT and what I think really set this off. If that doesn't move you, nothing will. No. Just to be clear, the pics of Obama's caged children tweeted by an Obama era dumbass with fingers pointing at Trump is what set this off. The audio was only introduced a few days ago, and the cage pics happened weeks ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 0:57:50 GMT
I see protestors have decided to go directly to Kirstjen Nielson' front door. People can say there's a few bad apples everywhere, in every party, but the actions by a LOT on the left is starting to cross over to dangerous. Shouting her down at a restaurant, which I'd be pissed and unimpressed if I was dining there, wasn't enough. This is really starting to cross a line.I think once you show up at someone's house, you've crossed the line. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:01:26 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? YES!!!!!!!!! That! Well I don’t know where you two were but there were news stories about what was going on in 2014 and these kids. I remember hearing about it but to refresh my memory I went looking for stories and found one. I just watched a video from KQED San Francisco’s PBS station. And while they didn’t show that particular picture you could see they were filming the facility where that picture was taken. And the GOP In Congress had a hearing and claimed it was all President Obama’s fault because he enticed those kids to make the journey. I quit watching at that point. Typical GOP propaganda. My point, the story was out there and few paid attention to it. I’m on my phone so the link below is the best I can do. www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/tracing-child-migrants-steps |
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Post by Just T on Jun 23, 2018 1:02:16 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? Dipping my toes in the sandbox after being called a troll a couple of weeks ago... I wonder that, too. I am somewhat of a news junkie, and I had NO idea this happened under Obama until recently, thanks to posts here. I guarantee you 1000% that had I known, I would have been just as horrified then as I am now. I get that it may have been ramped up lately, but why did we not know about this?
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