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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:06:56 GMT
His chosen actions are deliberately making those children cry. He is punishing these kids. So you think he should get a slap on the back and an “ atta boy” got his actions.Anybody who deliberately punishes kids as a deterrent to the parents deserves the cover that he got. Don't come in here and make shit up FRED. . How is it “making up things” by asking a question? It’s a simple question And yes I corrected a word. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:07:54 GMT
I did see where Antifa put out a list of 1600 ICE employees that included their names, photos, and job titles. AntifaI'm sure they just wanted to expand their Christmas card list. I'm sure! Wikileaks also did this the same thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:15:25 GMT
I see protestors have decided to go directly to Kirstjen Nielson' front door. People can say there's a few bad apples everywhere, in every party, but the actions by a LOT on the left is starting to cross over to dangerous. Shouting her down at a restaurant, which I'd be pissed and unimpressed if I was dining there, wasn't enough. This is really starting to cross a line.I think once you show up at someone's house, you've crossed the line. Absolutely. These people have her home address. That has to be scary.
Add to that posting information about ICE agents. This is federal law enforcement, enforcing our laws. To post their information, in addition to wanting to target their kids' schools, is outrageous and unhinged.
I suppose anyone working for the administration, including law enforcement, should expect nothing more than "wah wah wah," that's what they get.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:16:02 GMT
Well I don’t know where you two were but there were news stories about what was going on in 2014 and these kids. I remember hearing about it but to refresh my memory I went looking for stories and found one. I just watched a video from KQED San Francisco’s PBS station. And while they didn’t show that particular picture you could see they were filming the facility where that picture was taken. And the GOP In Congress had a hearing and claimed it was all President Obama’s fault because he enticed those kids to make the journey. I quit watching at that point. Typical GOP propaganda. My point, the story was out there and few paid attention to it. I’m on my phone so the link below is the best I can do. www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/tracing-child-migrants-stepsSo that means the holier than thou Democrats didn't pay attention to the same thing happening now. But now they are saying Trump is the worst person in the world. But Obama was such a "nice" president. I'm glad you agree with the conservatives. That is exactly what they've been saying since this came up. Unequeal treatment--forced outrage now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:32:20 GMT
Thank goodness he was found! I think I saw that story yesterday. I think it happens more often than we know about though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:41:54 GMT
Well I don’t know where you two were but there were news stories about what was going on in 2014 and these kids. I remember hearing about it but to refresh my memory I went looking for stories and found one. I just watched a video from KQED San Francisco’s PBS station. And while they didn’t show that particular picture you could see they were filming the facility where that picture was taken. And the GOP In Congress had a hearing and claimed it was all President Obama’s fault because he enticed those kids to make the journey. I quit watching at that point. Typical GOP propaganda. My point, the story was out there and few paid attention to it. I’m on my phone so the link below is the best I can do. www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/tracing-child-migrants-stepsSo that means the holier than thou Democrats didn't pay attention to the same thing happening now. But now they are saying Trump is the worst person in the world. But Obama was such a "nice" president. I'm glad you agree with the conservatives. That is exactly what they've been saying since this came up. . We knew about it the Bay Area. Lots of folks went down to see what they could do to help. But here is the difference between then and now If you look at the video it shows how many more kids came across the border then the two previous years and they admit it overwhelmed them. They were not prepared to handle that many kids and they had to scramble until they could get a handle on it. So yes, in the video, the kids were being “stored” in a huge concrete building that had a lot of rooms with chain linked walls. It looked like it was originally set up to house inventory, certainly not to house kids. According to the video it was a scramble to get the kids out of these facilities to either their parents already here or to sponsors as quickly as they could. Was it ideal? No and no one said it was. Fast forward to now. The Feds were no more equipped to handle hundreds of “unaccompanied “kids now then they were in 2014 and yet trump deliberately made the decision to “thrust” on the ill equipped agencies 100’s of kids that they would have to handle. There is a difference in trying to handle an impossible situation that is not of their making. And deliberately creating an impossible situation involving kids to use against their parents. If you can’t see the difference then maybe you are the perfect trump supporter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:51:51 GMT
So that means the holier than thou Democrats didn't pay attention to the same thing happening now. But now they are saying Trump is the worst person in the world. But Obama was such a "nice" president. I'm glad you agree with the conservatives. That is exactly what they've been saying since this came up. . We knew about it the Bay Area. Lots of folks went down to see what they could do to help. But here is the difference between then and now If you look at the video it shows how many more kids came across the border then the two previous years and they admit it overwhelmed them. They were not prepared to handle that many kids and they had to scramble until they could get a handle on it. So yes, in the video, the kids were being “stored” in a huge concrete building that had a lot of rooms with chain linked walls. It looked like it was originally set up to house inventory, certainly not to house kids. According to the video it was a scramble to get the kids out of these facilities to either their parents already here or to sponsors as quickly as they could. Was it ideal? No and no one said it was. Fast forward to now. The Feds were no more equipped to handle hundreds of “unaccompanied “kids now then they were in 2014 and yet trump deliberately made the decision to “thrust” on the ill equipped agencies 100’s of kids that they would have to handle. There is a difference in trying to handle an impossible situation that is not of their making. And deliberately creating an impossible situation involving kids to use against their parents. If you can’t see the difference then maybe you are the perfect trump supporter.again, wrong. You are batting 100 today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 1:54:28 GMT
. We knew about it the Bay Area. Lots of folks went down to see what they could do to help. But here is the difference between then and now If you look at the video it shows how many more kids came across the border then the two previous years and they admit it overwhelmed them. They were not prepared to handle that many kids and they had to scramble until they could get a handle on it. So yes, in the video, the kids were being “stored” in a huge concrete building that had a lot of rooms with chain linked walls. It looked like it was originally set up to house inventory, certainly not to house kids. According to the video it was a scramble to get the kids out of these facilities to either their parents already here or to sponsors as quickly as they could. Was it ideal? No and no one said it was. Fast forward to now. The Feds were no more equipped to handle hundreds of “unaccompanied “kids now then they were in 2014 and yet trump deliberately made the decision to “thrust” on the ill equipped agencies 100’s of kids that they would have to handle. There is a difference in trying to handle an impossible situation that is not of their making. And deliberately creating an impossible situation involving kids to use against their parents. If you can’t see the difference then maybe you are the perfect trump supporter.again, wrong. You are batting 100 today. . Did you ever here the term “ your actions speak louder than your words”, It’s a perfect fit. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 23, 2018 1:56:58 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? Lol. Maybe rush and hannity were off that day! You guys have your own media and outlets. You guys would have been all over it. Especially if it was to the extent as it is right now. This is exactly what's wrong with our country today. "you guys have your own media and outlets" as if NBC, CNN, BBC, ABC, CBS, etal shouldn't cover a story because it's you vs us. That's exactly the problem. Rush and Hannity aren't journalists - they don't even pretend to be journalists. If journalists now believe that they should cover a story based on party - the 4th pillar is dead. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 2:08:24 GMT
Well I don’t know where you two were but there were news stories about what was going on in 2014 and these kids. I remember hearing about it but to refresh my memory I went looking for stories and found one. I just watched a video from KQED San Francisco’s PBS station. And while they didn’t show that particular picture you could see they were filming the facility where that picture was taken. And the GOP In Congress had a hearing and claimed it was all President Obama’s fault because he enticed those kids to make the journey. I quit watching at that point. Typical GOP propaganda. My point, the story was out there and few paid attention to it. I’m on my phone so the link below is the best I can do. www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/tracing-child-migrants-stepsThere are no pictures of children in cages, no one calling Obama Hitler, no Time magazine covers depicting him as evil in that article you linked. And no threads here calling Obama Hitler or even holding him accountable in any way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 2:10:40 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? Dipping my toes in the sandbox after being called a troll a couple of weeks ago... I wonder that, too. I am somewhat of a news junkie, and I had NO idea this happened under Obama until recently, thanks to posts here. I guarantee you 1000% that had I known, I would have been just as horrified then as I am now. I get that it may have been ramped up lately, but why did we not know about this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 2:13:52 GMT
Don't come in here and make shit up FRED. . How is it “making up things” by asking a question? It’s a simple question And yes I corrected a word. There is not a single question there, only statements... His chosen actions are deliberately making those children cry. He is punishing these kids. So you think he should get a slap on the back and an “ atta boy” for his actions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 2:19:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 2:23:51 GMT
So that means the holier than thou Democrats didn't pay attention to the same thing happening now. But now they are saying Trump is the worst person in the world. But Obama was such a "nice" president. I'm glad you agree with the conservatives. That is exactly what they've been saying since this came up. . We knew about it the Bay Area. Lots of folks went down to see what they could do to help. But here is the difference between then and now If you look at the video it shows how many more kids came across the border then the two previous years and they admit it overwhelmed them. They were not prepared to handle that many kids and they had to scramble until they could get a handle on it. So yes, in the video, the kids were being “stored” in a huge concrete building that had a lot of rooms with chain linked walls. It looked like it was originally set up to house inventory, certainly not to house kids. According to the video it was a scramble to get the kids out of these facilities to either their parents already here or to sponsors as quickly as they could. Was it ideal? No and no one said it was. Fast forward to now. The Feds were no more equipped to handle hundreds of “unaccompanied “kids now then they were in 2014 and yet trump deliberately made the decision to “thrust” on the ill equipped agencies 100’s of kids that they would have to handle. There is a difference in trying to handle an impossible situation that is not of their making. And deliberately creating an impossible situation involving kids to use against their parents. If you can’t see the difference then maybe you are the perfect trump supporter. You can keep saying that, but it won't make it true. Obama absolutely DID contribute to his crisis. He ignored "alarm bells" being set off by those that tried to warn him. His reelection was put first, before the well being of the children. His policies encouraged those kids to come over in the numbers that they did. The kids themselves relayed that information. |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 2:59:08 GMT
Lol. Maybe rush and hannity were off that day! You guys have your own media and outlets. You guys would have been all over it. Especially if it was to the extent as it is right now. This is exactly what's wrong with our country today. "you guys have your own media and outlets" as if NBC, CNN, BBC, ABC, CBS, etal shouldn't cover a story because it's you vs us. That's exactly the problem. Rush and Hannity aren't journalists - they don't even pretend to be journalists. If journalists now believe that they should cover a story based on party - the 4th pillar is dead. You know what, I actually agree with you. Except the conservatives in my life do think hannity is god. I get my news overseas where they think we are all shit. |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 3:09:21 GMT
Well I don’t know where you two were but there were news stories about what was going on in 2014 and these kids. I remember hearing about it but to refresh my memory I went looking for stories and found one. I just watched a video from KQED San Francisco’s PBS station. And while they didn’t show that particular picture you could see they were filming the facility where that picture was taken. And the GOP In Congress had a hearing and claimed it was all President Obama’s fault because he enticed those kids to make the journey. I quit watching at that point. Typical GOP propaganda. My point, the story was out there and few paid attention to it. I’m on my phone so the link below is the best I can do. www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/tracing-child-migrants-stepsThere are no pictures of children in cages, no one calling Obama Hitler, no Time magazine covers depicting him as evil in that article you linked. And no threads here calling Obama Hitler or even holding him accountable in any way. Did you actually read the article? |
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 23, 2018 3:15:52 GMT
Lol. Maybe rush and hannity were off that day! You guys have your own media and outlets. You guys would have been all over it. Especially if it was to the extent as it is right now. This is exactly what's wrong with our country today. "you guys have your own media and outlets" as if NBC, CNN, BBC, ABC, CBS, etal shouldn't cover a story because it's you vs us. That's exactly the problem. Rush and Hannity aren't journalists - they don't even pretend to be journalists. If journalists now believe that they should cover a story based on party - the 4th pillar is dead. On the bolded part, we are in TOTAL agreement. But who got the interview with Trump after the North Korea meeting? And who do many of Trump's base turn to/cite for information about current events? I expect the media to be critical of ANYONE in office. It is part of the watchdog purpose. The erosion of trust in our mainstream media has been intentionally and purposefully carried out over the last 18 months, if not longer. I dislike Germany/Hitler comparisons, but to me this is textbook authoritarianism in action. I just spent a few weeks covering fascist leaders in summer school classes for high schoolers. One of the commonalities between all of them was their erosion of trust in authority media and their ability to make THEIR message the only trusted message. It is happening here, and it is picking up speed. It scares the crap out of me. |
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Post by cycworker on Jun 23, 2018 3:21:02 GMT
More threats against Trump children : linkI have to agree. That one was more than just stupid - it was reprehensible. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 3:23:20 GMT
There are no pictures of children in cages, no one calling Obama Hitler, no Time magazine covers depicting him as evil in that article you linked. And no threads here calling Obama Hitler or even holding him accountable in any way. Did you actually read the article? Yes I did and there are no pictures of children in cages, no one calling Obama Hitler, no Time magazine covers depicting him as evil in that article you linked. And no threads here calling Obama Hitler or even holding him accountable in any way. Did YOU read the article? Better yet... lefty said it best. 900 threads on this board aren't enough? Take it to one of those or start yet another one. |
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 4:31:16 GMT
Did you actually read the article? Yes I did and there are no pictures of children in cages, no one calling Obama Hitler, no Time magazine covers depicting him as evil in that article you linked. And no threads here calling Obama Hitler or even holding him accountable in any way. Did YOU read the article? Better yet... lefty said it best. 900 threads on this board aren't enough? Take it to one of those or start yet another one. [br Having children show up on your doorstep, having the main priority of finding their family, and giving them lawyers pro bono is a lot different than forcing them from their families indefinitely. This is my point. It’s ridiculous that I even had to tap that out and explain that to you. And I’m sorry but the administrator can only tell us what we can and cannot do on this board. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 4:40:59 GMT
Troll time! They've been out in bunches today! Stay strong conservatives!  Remember there is an IGNORE button. |
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 23, 2018 4:46:31 GMT
Troll time! They've been out in bunches today! Stay strong conservatives! Remember there is an IGNORE button. Trolls. Good grief. You know, there is actually some thoughtful and interesting conversation going on throughout this thread. If you truly are not a Trump advocate - as you have repeatedly claimed on multiple threads - take a few moments to sit with some of the ideas being presented. Can you find any common ground, particularly without name calling or trying to shut down anyone who doesn't agree with you? |
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Post by mom26 on Jun 23, 2018 4:49:28 GMT
Troll time! They've been out in bunches today! Stay strong conservatives! Remember there is an IGNORE button. Great advice and at the risk of repeating myself from a few days ago: It really isn't that hard to not take the bait. All you have to do is go high when they go low... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 5:07:14 GMT
Yes I did and there are no pictures of children in cages, no one calling Obama Hitler, no Time magazine covers depicting him as evil in that article you linked. And no threads here calling Obama Hitler or even holding him accountable in any way. Did YOU read the article? Better yet... lefty said it best. [br Having children show up on your doorstep, having the main priority of finding their family, and giving them lawyers pro bono is a lot different than forcing them from their families indefinitely. This is my point. It’s ridiculous that I even had to tap that out and explain that to you. You're right, it IS ridiculous that you FELT you had to "tap that out", since no one is debating that. " If the very existence of this thread disturbs you, it’s probably best not to contribute.
If you believe that not opposing the president or this administration at every turn equates to being cool with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc., it’s probably best not to contribute.
Anyone can post here, obviously, but this is not the place for those with opposing views to grill conservatives and demand that they defend every word of every post ad naseum. If you see that as us not wanting to be challenged on our views, it’s probably best not to contribute, and you can complain about that in every other thread you like." Given the above request for this thread, social graces should tell you that you aren't suited for this thread and when they don't, and you persist in blaming everything on conservatives, insulting them, refusing to listen to thoughtful, civil posts, and despite being asked the above, you're trolling. |
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 23, 2018 5:24:29 GMT
I see protestors have decided to go directly to Kirstjen Nielson' front door. People can say there's a few bad apples everywhere, in every party, but the actions by a LOT on the left is starting to cross over to dangerous. Shouting her down at a restaurant, which I'd be pissed and unimpressed if I was dining there, wasn't enough. This is really starting to cross a line. I havent finished catching up on this thread, but this 100%. Ya know what upsets me even more then the absolute gross behavior of these people? The people that think this is ok and defend this behavior. This is not ok. We live in a civilized country with laws. I’m disgusted, but I have been for awhile. ETA: I find the release of ICE agents addresses incredibly concerning. The level some people stoop to while claiming moral superiority is hypocrisy at its finest. |
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 23, 2018 5:40:41 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? I probably should read through this entire thread before posting, but I just wanted to repeat this as I was going to point it out a dozen pages ago. There are a few on this thread that have said if they knew what was happening in a prior administration, they would have spoken up/been upset/called out the behavior/whatever. That is the point; many didn’t know this was happening BECAUSE THE PRESS NEVER REPORTED IT. At least it was never reported in such a way to demonize the former president. I remember when this was happening, and I also remember people excusing it away. I will repeat the question that Darcy asked: why so little media coverage? |
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 5:59:18 GMT
My understanding is that it was taken after the mother put down her daughter so that the mother could be searched. I think it represents how stressful the whole experience is for these small children.That wasn't the point of the Time cover. It had Trump on it. The point of the cover was to demonize Trump. The law of sowing and reaping at work don’t you think? Proverbs 22:8 New International Version (NIV) 8 Whoever sows injustice reaps calamity, and the rod they wield in fury will be broken. Galatians 6:7-8 New International Version (NIV) 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. |
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 6:00:53 GMT
I think once you show up at someone's house, you've crossed the line. Absolutely. These people have her home address. That has to be scary.
Add to that posting information about ICE agents. This is federal law enforcement, enforcing our laws. To post their information, in addition to wanting to target their kids' schools, is outrageous and unhinged.
I suppose anyone working for the administration, including law enforcement, should expect nothing more than "wah wah wah," that's what they get.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 6:12:39 GMT
I once took a class for executive education that still makes me think. It said we make very poor decisions when we look for data to confirm our hypothesis instead of looking for data to unconfirm it. How about we spend time this week trying to unconfirm our hypothesis on politics. Who is willing to try?
Who knows? We may learn something new.
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