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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 23, 2018 7:24:19 GMT
I once took a class for executive education that still makes me think. It said we make very poor decisions when we look for data to confirm our hypothesis instead of looking for data to unconfirm it. How about we spend time this week trying to unconfirm our hypothesis on politics. Who is willing to try? Who knows? We may learn something new. I think that is a very good point. I know that I am guilty of this exact thing, and when I find that I am getting sucked into my side is the only right side, I consciously look for other opinions and try really hard to see the issue from another pint of view. Sometimes it changes my whole line of thinking and sometimes it confirms my beliefs but it always makes me think. |
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Post by lindas on Jun 23, 2018 8:59:45 GMT
Don't bother handslapping me for pointing fingers. That's the entire point of those on the Left being in this thread. Including you. Hypocrite. I was talking about people like you in both parties. You’re one of the biggest conservatives on this board. That means if Obama started it you knew about it. If you knew about it and didn’t do anything, you’re guilty of the abuse. It’s people like the liberals on this board that’s raising hell that will make trump back off. Why didn’t you and your party did that 4 years ago or whenever it was supposed to be. I don’t know about being a hypocrite but at least I’m not a child abuser. Is Dianne Feinstein equally guilty? She freely admits to "not really knowing". link |
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 23, 2018 9:15:40 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 10:44:58 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged.
Someone help me out here. Was this level of crazy going on under the previous administrations? I DO remember the awful things said about the Obamas, and I remember nasty things about Chelsea Clinton's looks. I even remember coverage about the Bush daughters' wild nights out. All reprehensible.
Did things ever escalate to anywhere near this level of dehumanizing and threatening an entire party? Were the children threatened on an almost daily basis as now (at least it seems that way)? Were individual members of an administration targeted? Was the safety of law enforcement, and their children, jeopardized for enforcing our laws?
This escalating unhinged behavior should scare the crap out of anyone and everyone, yet I only see concern for the reality of what's happening coming from one side. Violence, and the threats of violence, should be taken seriously and denounced by all, including our politicians.
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 23, 2018 11:57:01 GMT
I think the level of crazy has ramped up considerably, but I’m sure you will get different answers from others on this thread. I think the level of violence is what is so concerning and the fact that it is often overlooked or worse, joined. It seems to be cheered from the sidelines and excuses given that XYZ is such a horrible person she/ he deserves it. I see people condem it but excuse it in the same breath. It is a powder keg that keeps getting stirred, and it is only a matter of time before something explodes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2018 12:22:30 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged. 1000% wrong. Leave the minor kids ALONE!! Do not do anything that could be considered infringing on their safety ever! THEY did not sign up for this mess in any way! |
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2018 12:52:34 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? I probably should read through this entire thread before posting, but I just wanted to repeat this as I was going to point it out a dozen pages ago. There are a few on this thread that have said if they knew what was happening in a prior administration, they would have spoken up/been upset/called out the behavior/whatever. That is the point; many didn’t know this was happening BECAUSE THE PRESS NEVER REPORTED IT. At least it was never reported in such a way to demonize the former president. I remember when this was happening, and I also remember people excusing it away. I will repeat the question that Darcy asked: why so little media coverage? Kymberlee, I remember when those kids were coming up that we had a number of threads here (or the old 2 peas) that had a number of conservative peas loudly complaining that they were coming into this country at all. One of the loudest complaints, voiced by at least one person who has voiced similar complaints during this crisis, was that these children were unvaccinated and would make everyone else sick if they were integrated into society. One reason that Obama wasn’t demonized may have been that a number of people, especially those who were anti-immigration, were satisfied with the temporary solution at the time. Obama’s goal was to find homes for those kids and the right complained loudly about it. Trump’s goal was to purposefully separate families as a deterrent before sending them all back across the border to fend for themselves. Thank heaven just about everyone, except the Trump administration, is complaining loudly about it. |
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2018 12:53:55 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged. Completely unacceptable and reprehensible. You are right - freaking unhinged!  |
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 23, 2018 13:03:42 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged. Completely unacceptable and reprehensible. You are right - freaking unhinged! I don’t think anyone ever has said Tom Arnold is a reasonable or intelligent man. He has always been nuts. Anyone who thinks he is actually going to stalk those kids needs a reality check, he is a wanna be actor looking for someone to talk about him. It does not mean that he gets a pass, he is nuts and what he said is awful. I posted a link above about from a DMV employee who facebooked that all immigrants should be shot on sight. Why is no one on the right denouncing that? Is it because she is a low level government employee, about the equivalent of Tom Arnold on the famous scale? |
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 23, 2018 13:29:28 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged.
Someone help me out here. Was this level of crazy going on under the previous administrations? I DO remember the awful things said about the Obamas, and I remember nasty things about Chelsea Clinton's looks. I even remember coverage about the Bush daughters' wild nights out. All reprehensible.
Did things ever escalate to anywhere near this level of dehumanizing and threatening an entire party? Were the children threatened on an almost daily basis as now (at least it seems that way)? Were individual members of an administration targeted? Was the safety of law enforcement, and their children, jeopardized for enforcing our laws?
This escalating unhinged behavior should scare the crap out of anyone and everyone, yet I only see concern for the reality of what's happening coming from one side. Violence, and the threats of violence, should be taken seriously and denounced by all, including our politicians.
Of course it happened to other administrations. If you don’t think there are those on the “left” or “liberals” denouncing such violence th n you are intentionally keeping yourself ignorant. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 13:32:35 GMT
That wasn't the point of the Time cover. It had Trump on it. The point of the cover was to demonize Trump. The law of sowing and reaping at work don’t you think? Proverbs 22:8 New International Version (NIV) 8 Whoever sows injustice reaps calamity, and the rod they wield in fury will be broken. Galatians 6:7-8 New International Version (NIV) 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. While we're quoting scripture I'd like to quote Proverbs 22:7 and discuss how it equates with America today: The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 13:39:06 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged. Someone help me out here. Was this level of crazy going on under the previous administrations? I DO remember the awful things said about the Obamas, and I remember nasty things about Chelsea Clinton's looks. I even remember coverage about the Bush daughters' wild nights out. All reprehensible.
Did things ever escalate to anywhere near this level of dehumanizing and threatening an entire party? Were the children threatened on an almost daily basis as now (at least it seems that way)? Were individual members of an administration targeted? Was the safety of law enforcement, and their children, jeopardized for enforcing our laws? This escalating unhinged behavior should scare the crap out of anyone and everyone, yet I only see concern for the reality of what's happening coming from one side. Violence, and the threats of violence, should be taken seriously and denounced by all, including our politicians. You know that if it would have been, the Liberal press would have been all over it. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 13:41:34 GMT
I think the level of crazy has ramped up considerably, but I’m sure you will get different answers from others on this thread. I think the level of violence is what is so concerning and the fact that it is often overlooked or worse, joined. It seems to be cheered from the sidelines and excuses given that XYZ is such a horrible person she/ he deserves it. I see people condem it but excuse it in the same breath. It is a powder keg that keeps getting stirred, and it is only a matter of time before something explodes. Frightening thought, but common sense tells us that unless something/one should interfere the explosion is inevitable. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 13:47:18 GMT
Completely unacceptable and reprehensible. You are right - freaking unhinged! I don’t think anyone ever has said Tom Arnold is a reasonable or intelligent man. He has always been nuts. Anyone who thinks he is actually going to stalk those kids needs a reality check, he is a wanna be actor looking for someone to talk about him. It does not mean that he gets a pass, he is nuts and what he said is awful. I posted a link above about from a DMV employee who facebooked that all immigrants should be shot on sight. Why is no one on the right denouncing that? Is it because she is a low level government employee, about the equivalent of Tom Arnold on the famous scale? I agree with everything you said. Shooting immigrants is unthinkable and Tom Arnold's (whoever he is) comments are reprehensible. Where there is no common sense, logic, and compassion, chaos reigns. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 13:59:26 GMT
Willfully ignorant? I don't think so.
Someone please share where individuals working for a previous administration had been individually targeted at their homes. Point out where federal law enforcement agencies, and thus its employees and their families, have been targeted. And then, just this morning I saw a clip of Donnie Deutsch (a nobody in my mind yet a regular on Morning Joe on MSNBC) saying Trump voters are like Nazis, and then said Trump's not the bad guy, his voters are. Bill Maher hopes our economy sinks?
I am getting old, and my memory might not be as sharp as it used to be. I cannot remember a time when this kind of rhetoric, and constant unhinged behavior was so widespread.
I do, however, remember earlier this year immigration activists targeting Chuck Schumer's home chanting: “If Chuck won’t let us dream, we won’t let him sleep,”
And who can forget those immigration activists closing in on Nancy Pelosi shouting her down to the point that woman was shaking.
A big segment of our population is becoming more and more unhinged, and I'm very aware of that. Pretending it's just a few nuts here and there is being willfully ignorant.
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2018 14:18:19 GMT
Willfully ignorant? I don't think so. Someone please share where individuals working for a previous administration had been individually targeted at their homes. Point out where federal law enforcement agencies, and thus its employees and their families, have been targeted. And then, just this morning I saw a clip of Donnie Deutsch (a nobody in my mind yet a regular on Morning Joe on MSNBC) saying Trump voters are like Nazis, and then said Trump's not the bad guy, his voters are. Bill Maher hopes our economy sinks? I am getting old, and my memory might not be as sharp as it used to be. I cannot remember a time when this kind of rhetoric, and constant unhinged behavior was so widespread.I do, however, remember earlier this year immigration activists targeting Chuck Schumer's home chanting: “If Chuck won’t let us dream, we won’t let him sleep,” And who can forget those immigration activists closing in on Nancy Pelosi shouting her down to the point that woman was shaking. A big segment of our population is becoming more and more unhinged, and I'm very aware of that. Pretending it's just a few nuts here and there is being willfully ignorant. Never in my lifetime have Nazis ever marched one hour from my Jewish home and the President of the United States praised them for having some good people in their midst marching with them until this past year. You only need to look at the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave for the reason why there is unhinged behavior. He encourages it from the fringe right and white supremacists, which in turn is responded to by people who think it must be stopped by equally reprehensible methods. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:21:50 GMT
I think people are utterly missing the point on the Trump v Obama children in cages. It’s not about who did or didn’t condemn it during President Obama’s presidency - it’s about why no one knew about it. I had never seen those pictures - by the number of people who fully believed they were current - few people had - hell the tweet that went viral was from Obama’s speech writer - to say that there was little to no coverage of conditions would be an understatement. Clearly organizations knew as they filed lawsuits and took pictures - why did it receive such little media coverage? I probably should read through this entire thread before posting, but I just wanted to repeat this as I was going to point it out a dozen pages ago. There are a few on this thread that have said if they knew what was happening in a prior administration, they would have spoken up/been upset/called out the behavior/whatever. That is the point; many didn’t know this was happening BECAUSE THE PRESS NEVER REPORTED IT. At least it was never reported in such a way to demonize the former president. I remember when this was happening, and I also remember people excusing it away. I will repeat the question that Darcy asked: why so little media coverage? You are SO right on Kymberlee. The press did NOT cover Obama in the same way they cover Trump at all--and I think that is the whole point of a LOT of what has happened in this administration. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:24:39 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged.
Someone help me out here. Was this level of crazy going on under the previous administrations? I DO remember the awful things said about the Obamas, and I remember nasty things about Chelsea Clinton's looks. I even remember coverage about the Bush daughters' wild nights out. All reprehensible.
Did things ever escalate to anywhere near this level of dehumanizing and threatening an entire party? Were the children threatened on an almost daily basis as now (at least it seems that way)? Were individual members of an administration targeted? Was the safety of law enforcement, and their children, jeopardized for enforcing our laws?
This escalating unhinged behavior should scare the crap out of anyone and everyone, yet I only see concern for the reality of what's happening coming from one side. Violence, and the threats of violence, should be taken seriously and denounced by all, including our politicians.
Well, Reagan got shot. as well as others-- |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:28:31 GMT
Oh gosh, I forgot about Reagan.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2018 14:32:38 GMT
I am getting old, and my memory might not be as sharp as it used to be. I cannot remember a time when this kind of rhetoric, and constant unhinged behavior was so widespread. What other president ridicules the Attorney General when he follows the rule of law to recuse himself, mocks members of Congress and the public? Calls people SOB? Allows extreme waste of taxpayer monies for private jets and first class travel, thousands of dollars for redecorating offices, well above the $5,000 limit? Who doesn't tell the truth? That all while in office, not counting what went on before the election! |
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 23, 2018 14:41:21 GMT
Just when I think that people have reached a new low, there comes a tweet from Tom Arnold. Apparently, he is going to stalk Baron Trump at his private school and protest at the school that Ivanka and Jared’s child attends. Freaking unhinged.
Someone help me out here. Was this level of crazy going on under the previous administrations? I DO remember the awful things said about the Obamas, and I remember nasty things about Chelsea Clinton's looks. I even remember coverage about the Bush daughters' wild nights out. All reprehensible.
Did things ever escalate to anywhere near this level of dehumanizing and threatening an entire party? Were the children threatened on an almost daily basis as now (at least it seems that way)? Were individual members of an administration targeted? Was the safety of law enforcement, and their children, jeopardized for enforcing our laws?
This escalating unhinged behavior should scare the crap out of anyone and everyone, yet I only see concern for the reality of what's happening coming from one side. Violence, and the threats of violence, should be taken seriously and denounced by all, including our politicians.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:43:08 GMT
Oh gosh, I forgot about Reagan. well, there were others through the years--and in comparison, Reagan got off a bit easier than some, but not because THAT was planned!! I really liked Reagan. I didn't like his wife much though. but that changed over the years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:45:50 GMT
I am getting old, and my memory might not be as sharp as it used to be. I cannot remember a time when this kind of rhetoric, and constant unhinged behavior was so widespread. What other president ridicules the Attorney General when he follows the rule of law to recuse himself, mocks members of Congress and the public? Calls people SOB? Allows extreme waste of taxpayer monies for private jets and first class travel, thousands of dollars for redecorating offices, well above the $5,000 limit? Who doesn't tell the truth? That all while in office, not counting what went on before the election! Every single point you made is very valid. What does any of that have to do with the unhinged behavior of a large portion of our society right now? Are those points some sort of justification for Cynthia Nixon, NY gubernatorial candidate, comparing ICE to a terrorist organization? Does the excessive spending on office redecorating explain shooting up republicans at a softball practice? I'm trying to see the connection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:46:57 GMT
Someone help me out here. Was this level of crazy going on under the previous administrations? I DO remember the awful things said about the Obamas, and I remember nasty things about Chelsea Clinton's looks. I even remember coverage about the Bush daughters' wild nights out. All reprehensible.
Did things ever escalate to anywhere near this level of dehumanizing and threatening an entire party? Were the children threatened on an almost daily basis as now (at least it seems that way)? Were individual members of an administration targeted? Was the safety of law enforcement, and their children, jeopardized for enforcing our laws?
This escalating unhinged behavior should scare the crap out of anyone and everyone, yet I only see concern for the reality of what's happening coming from one side. Violence, and the threats of violence, should be taken seriously and denounced by all, including our politicians.
The Civil War? The 1960s? Good points. I think that's where we're headed again. You? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:49:22 GMT
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Post by Kymberlee on Jun 23, 2018 14:51:47 GMT
Elaine, I will have to disagree with you. I’m not going to argue your point because I think we are so far off on our opinions that it would not do either of us any good and we would probably just go around in circles. There have been some recent reporting regarding what happened to some of the unaccompanied children that came over in 2014 so for these kids, the policy of the previous administration failed. I do agree that the Charlottesville white supremists are reprehensible and disgusting but there were some pretty ugly marches and things going on before Trump became president so I don’t think one lead to the other. Again, I know we will disagree about that so I’m just giving my two cents for what it’s worth.
Yes, Tom Arnold is a kook but he has a presence on social media whereas this jackass from the DMV doesn’t. He has name recognition so whatever he says is going to get some attention. The other nutter just isnt going to get the same eyes on his social media pages as Tom Arnold so that is the difference to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:00:14 GMT
I hadn't even read the article about Sarah Huckabee Sanders before responding before.
WTH.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:02:51 GMT
Someone help me out here. Was this level of crazy going on under the previous administrations? I DO remember the awful things said about the Obamas, and I remember nasty things about Chelsea Clinton's looks. I even remember coverage about the Bush daughters' wild nights out. All reprehensible.
Did things ever escalate to anywhere near this level of dehumanizing and threatening an entire party? Were the children threatened on an almost daily basis as now (at least it seems that way)? Were individual members of an administration targeted? Was the safety of law enforcement, and their children, jeopardized for enforcing our laws?
This escalating unhinged behavior should scare the crap out of anyone and everyone, yet I only see concern for the reality of what's happening coming from one side. Violence, and the threats of violence, should be taken seriously and denounced by all, including our politicians.
The Civil War? The 1960s? The more I think about this, could the disdain directed towards ICE agents and border control agents be compared to the disdain directed towards the Vietnam soldiers?
Just thinking here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:04:08 GMT
From the Catch-all thread...
I guess on Friday Sarah Sanders and her family were kicked out of a restaurant.
From Newsweek..,
“On Friday night, Jaike Foley-Schultz, allegedly a waiter at The Red Hen, a restaurant on Washington Street in Lexington, took to Facebook to announce that Sanders was prevented from eating at their establishment.
“I just served Sarah huckabee sanders for a total of 2 minutes before my owner kicked her out along with 7 of her other family members…” he wrote.
Apparently the owner didn’t want to serve her and her party out of moral conviction,” he wrote.”
Well I guess if you can deny service to a gay couple for “religious beliefs” I guess you can also deny service to someone who lies regularly to the American People for “moral conviction “.
For the record I don’t think either business owner was right to deny these folks service.
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