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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 15:11:09 GMT
From the Catch-all thread... I guess on Friday Sarah Sanders and her family were kicked out of a restaurant. From Newsweek.., “On Friday night, Jaike Foley-Schultz, allegedly a waiter at The Red Hen, a restaurant on Washington Street in Lexington, took to Facebook to announce that Sanders was prevented from eating at their establishment. “I just served Sarah huckabee sanders for a total of 2 minutes before my owner kicked her out along with 7 of her other family members…” he wrote. Apparently the owner didn’t want to serve her and her party out of moral conviction,” he wrote.” Well I guess if you can deny service to a gay couple for “religious beliefs” I guess you can also deny service to someone who lies regularly to the American People for “moral conviction “.For the record I don’t think either business owner was right to deny these folks service. You do have a point.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 15:30:00 GMT
The law of sowing and reaping at work don’t you think? Proverbs 22:8 New International Version (NIV) 8 Whoever sows injustice reaps calamity, and the rod they wield in fury will be broken. Galatians 6:7-8 New International Version (NIV) 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. While we're quoting scripture I'd like to quote Proverbs 22:7 and discuss how it equates with America today: The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.Sure. Basically, the verseis a warning about going into debt. It says when we borrow, we become slaves to the lender. When I take out a loan to buy a house, I am a “slave” to having to pay it or they can take it from me. Some of my labor becomes theirs. For example, when Trump is in debt to foreign banks, he becomes a slave to their whims. They have power over him. Similarly with Jared and his getting funding for his building. In case anyone was wondering why we didn’t back Qatar in their spat with Saudi Arabia and the UAE, they refused to buying out his debt on 666 Fifth Avenue. Other verses on the poor. Proverbs 14:31 New International Version (NIV) 31 Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 19:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 What a person desires is unfailing love ; better to be poor than a liar.
Proverbs 28:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 Better the poor whose walk is blameless than the rich whose ways are perverse. ———-
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_Fifth_AvenueIn March 2017, reports were made that Anbang Insurance Group of China was in talks to purchase an interest in the building, based on a value of $2.85 billion ($1.6 billion for the office section, and $1.25 billion for the retail section); some of the alleged terms of the deal were called "unusually favorable," including an exit for Vornado Realty Trust and retirement of the Kushner organization's remaining debt at 20 cents on the dollar, raising concerns about political influence on the Donald Trump presidential administration due to Jared Kushner's position.[12] Shortly after the reports were made, Anbang denied that they were looking to invest in the building.[13] In late April 2017, Charles Kushner met with Qatari Finance Minister Sharif Al Emadi in an attempt to secure funding for the tower from Qatar's sovereign wealth fund. Emadi did not agree to invest Qatar's fund in the project.[17] About one month later, the 2017-18 Qatar diplomatic crisis began. Jared Kushner reportedly undermined United States Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's efforts to resolve the crisis.[18]
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 23, 2018 15:32:27 GMT
Yes, I do think your willfully ignorant of you ignore the history of civil unrest and just plain bad behavior toward various administrations to declare that Trump’s administration has been treated so much worse than any previous administration. Reagan and Jim Brady were shot. Bush had people protesting outside his Texas ranch for his decision regarding Iraq. Scooter Libby outed a CIA agent because she didn’t agree with his policies. O’bama was regularly hung in effigy and he and his family were regularly compared to apes. The civil rights era as a whole. The assasination of JFK and Robert Kennedy. This administration hasn’t been treated any worse than administrations before them.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 15:36:57 GMT
From the Catch-all thread... I guess on Friday Sarah Sanders and her family were kicked out of a restaurant. From Newsweek.., “On Friday night, Jaike Foley-Schultz, allegedly a waiter at The Red Hen, a restaurant on Washington Street in Lexington, took to Facebook to announce that Sanders was prevented from eating at their establishment. “I just served Sarah huckabee sanders for a total of 2 minutes before my owner kicked her out along with 7 of her other family members…” he wrote. Apparently the owner didn’t want to serve her and her party out of moral conviction,” he wrote.” Well I guess if you can deny service to a gay couple for “religious beliefs” I guess you can also deny service to someone who lies regularly to the American People for “moral conviction “.For the record I don’t think either business owner was right to deny these folks service. You do have a point. This is getting ridiculous. Really ridiculous. It’s wrong. And this is coming from someone who feels Sarah is an accomplished liar.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 15:45:12 GMT
This is getting ridiculous. Really ridiculous. It’s wrong. And this is coming from someone who feels Sarah is an accomplished liar. I will also say that it was wrong of Sarah Sanders to use her official twitter account to complain about the restaurant and to name it. So in my opinion, both sides are being ridiculous. We better figure out how to get off this train (pun intended) before someone gets hurt. I worry that all this will led to physical violence and that is not ok.
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2018 15:55:27 GMT
Elaine, I will have to disagree with you. I’m not going to argue your point because I think we are so far off on our opinions that it would not do either of us any good and we would probably just go around in circles. There have been some recent reporting regarding what happened to some of the unaccompanied children that came over in 2014 so for these kids, the policy of the previous administration failed. I do agree that the Charlottesville white supremists are reprehensible and disgusting but there were some pretty ugly marches and things going on before Trump became president so I don’t think one lead to the other. Again, I know we will disagree about that so I’m just giving my two cents for what it’s worth. Yes, Tom Arnold is a kook but he has a presence on social media whereas this jackass from the DMV doesn’t. He has name recognition so whatever he says is going to get some attention. The other nutter just isnt going to get the same eyes on his social media pages as Tom Arnold so that is the difference to me. We will agree to disagree on this. That I have to live in a country under a President who supports neo-Nazis definitely reflects an unprecedented level of evil and immorality in our government. No other President in our lifetime has supported Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists. Trump is one-of-a-kind. Anyone who supports Trump after his “some good people” comment is no friend of anyone of color, any Jew, or LGBT person. It is all overblown hysteria until they start carrying torches chanting “XYZ will not replace us” and XYZ is the group YOU (generic you) belong to.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 23, 2018 16:08:18 GMT
What other president ridicules the Attorney General when he follows the rule of law to recuse himself, mocks members of Congress and the public? Calls people SOB? Allows extreme waste of taxpayer monies for private jets and first class travel, thousands of dollars for redecorating offices, well above the $5,000 limit? Who doesn't tell the truth? That all while in office, not counting what went on before the election! Every single point you made is very valid. What does any of that have to do with the unhinged behavior of a large portion of our society right now? Are those points some sort of justification for Cynthia Nixon, NY gubernatorial candidate, comparing ICE to a terrorist organization? Does the excessive spending on office redecorating explain shooting up republicans at a softball practice? I'm trying to see the connection.
I think when you’ve got such a big reaction/actions over on one side, you are going to get just as big reactions/actions on the other side. I think hat both sides at this point think hat the big reactions are needed to combat the others actions, if that makes any sense? I am not condoning ANY of this at all, just pointing out what I think is happening. It’s messy on both sides, and we don’t seem to know how to compromise anymore. It’s become All or nothing, so we get all this explosive crap.
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 23, 2018 16:14:11 GMT
This is getting ridiculous. Really ridiculous. It’s wrong. And this is coming from someone who feels Sarah is an accomplished liar. I will also say that it was wrong of Sarah Sanders to use her official twitter account to complain about the restaurant and to name it. So in my opinion, both sides are being ridiculous. We better figure out how to get off this train (pun intended) before someone gets hurt. I worry that all this will led to physical violence and that is not ok. I imagine it’s only going to get a lot worse after Mike Huckabee’s racist tweet.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 23, 2018 16:19:29 GMT
Willfully ignorant? I don't think so. Someone please share where individuals working for a previous administration had been individually targeted at their homes. Point out where federal law enforcement agencies, and thus its employees and their families, have been targeted. And then, just this morning I saw a clip of Donnie Deutsch (a nobody in my mind yet a regular on Morning Joe on MSNBC) saying Trump voters are like Nazis, and then said Trump's not the bad guy, his voters are. Bill Maher hopes our economy sinks? I am getting old, and my memory might not be as sharp as it used to be. I cannot remember a time when this kind of rhetoric, and constant unhinged behavior was so widespread.I do, however, remember earlier this year immigration activists targeting Chuck Schumer's home chanting: “If Chuck won’t let us dream, we won’t let him sleep,” And who can forget those immigration activists closing in on Nancy Pelosi shouting her down to the point that woman was shaking. A big segment of our population is becoming more and more unhinged, and I'm very aware of that. Pretending it's just a few nuts here and there is being willfully ignorant. Never in my lifetime have Nazis ever marched one hour from my Jewish home and the President of the United States praised them for having some good people in their midst marching with them until this past year. You only need to look at the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave for the reason why there is unhinged behavior. He encourages it from the fringe right and white supremacists, which in turn is responded to by people who think it must be stopped by equally reprehensible methods. A thousand times this. The leader of our country is repeatedly, purposefully inciting fear and hate, and he is using inflammatory language and lies to do so. Most of the members of his party are sitting quietly by watching it happen, if not adding to it themselves. And we are surprised a country in chaos is the result? The Office of the President is where we should be able to look for guidance in times of crisis, instead it is leading the charge in the opposite direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 16:20:15 GMT
Every single point you made is very valid. What does any of that have to do with the unhinged behavior of a large portion of our society right now? Are those points some sort of justification for Cynthia Nixon, NY gubernatorial candidate, comparing ICE to a terrorist organization? Does the excessive spending on office redecorating explain shooting up republicans at a softball practice? I'm trying to see the connection.
I think when you’ve got such a big reaction/actions over on one side, you are going to get just as big reactions/actions on the other side. I think hat both sides at this point think hat the big reactions are needed to combat the others actions, if that makes any sense? I am not condoning ANY of this at all, just pointing out what I think is happening. It’s messy on both sides, and we don’t seem to know how to compromise anymore. It’s become All or nothing, so we get all this explosive crap. Which is exactly what Trump wants. He knows how to emotionally manipulate both sides. We are all behaving exactly like he wants. Everyone is playing into his hand. I'm hoping people on all sides will wake up soon and see how he is controlling it all.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 16:27:17 GMT
While we're quoting scripture I'd like to quote Proverbs 22:7 and discuss how it equates with America today: The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.Sure. Basically, the verseis a warning about going into debt. It says when we borrow, we become slaves to the lender. When I take out a loan to buy a house, I am a “slave” to having to pay it or they can take it from me. Some of my labor becomes theirs. For example, when Trump is in debt to foreign banks, he becomes a slave to their whims. They have power over him. Similarly with Jared and his getting funding for his building. In case anyone was wondering why we didn’t back Qatar in their spat with Saudi Arabia and the UAE, they refused to buying out his debt on 666 Fifth Avenue. Other verses on the poor. Proverbs 14:31 New International Version (NIV) 31 Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. Proverbs 19:22 New International Version (NIV) 22 What a person desires is unfailing love ; better to be poor than a liar.
Proverbs 28:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 Better the poor whose walk is blameless than the rich whose ways are perverse. ———-
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_Fifth_AvenueIn March 2017, reports were made that Anbang Insurance Group of China was in talks to purchase an interest in the building, based on a value of $2.85 billion ($1.6 billion for the office section, and $1.25 billion for the retail section); some of the alleged terms of the deal were called "unusually favorable," including an exit for Vornado Realty Trust and retirement of the Kushner organization's remaining debt at 20 cents on the dollar, raising concerns about political influence on the Donald Trump presidential administration due to Jared Kushner's position.[12] Shortly after the reports were made, Anbang denied that they were looking to invest in the building.[13] In late April 2017, Charles Kushner met with Qatari Finance Minister Sharif Al Emadi in an attempt to secure funding for the tower from Qatar's sovereign wealth fund. Emadi did not agree to invest Qatar's fund in the project.[17] About one month later, the 2017-18 Qatar diplomatic crisis began. Jared Kushner reportedly undermined United States Secretary of State Rex Tillerson's efforts to resolve the crisis.[18] Interesting info...but I wasn't referring to Trump, personally, when I quoted the above. I was referring to our debt as a nation and what it means for our (national) future.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Jun 23, 2018 16:28:27 GMT
I imagine it’s only going to get a lot worse after Mike Huckabee’s racist tweet. Mike Huckabee's tweet: Bigotry. On the menu at Red Hen Restaurant in Lexington VA. Or you can ask for the “Hate Plate”. And appetizers are “small plates for small minds” What do you see as racist here?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 16:30:53 GMT
I think when you’ve got such a big reaction/actions over on one side, you are going to get just as big reactions/actions on the other side. I think hat both sides at this point think hat the big reactions are needed to combat the others actions, if that makes any sense? I am not condoning ANY of this at all, just pointing out what I think is happening. It’s messy on both sides, and we don’t seem to know how to compromise anymore. It’s become All or nothing, so we get all this explosive crap. Which is exactly what Trump wants. He knows how to emotionally manipulate both sides. We are all behaving exactly like he wants. Everyone is playing into his hand. I'm hoping people on all sides will wake up soon and see how he is controlling it all. I think there is a possibility you are giving him too much credit. In my opinion a lot of people on the left are feeding on each other's fears real or imagined. And of course, then calling him every name in the book--and from what I've read, they are making their own books of names I've never heard of--but they sound pretty bad!
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 23, 2018 16:32:37 GMT
I imagine it’s only going to get a lot worse after Mike Huckabee’s racist tweet. Mike Huckabee's tweet: Bigotry. On the menu at Red Hen Restaurant in Lexington VA. Or you can ask for the “Hate Plate”. And appetizers are “small plates for small minds” What do you see as racist here? I’m talking about the photo he tweeted of Hispanic looking individuals depicting gang members who he called Nancy Pelosi’s campaign committee.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 23, 2018 16:33:10 GMT
I imagine it’s only going to get a lot worse after Mike Huckabee’s racist tweet. Mike Huckabee's tweet: Bigotry. On the menu at Red Hen Restaurant in Lexington VA. Or you can ask for the “Hate Plate”. And appetizers are “small plates for small minds” What do you see as racist here? Try this one
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 16:42:45 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple.
Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service.
Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest.
Pick a principle and stick with it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2018 16:45:58 GMT
What other president ridicules the Attorney General when he follows the rule of law to recuse himself, mocks members of Congress and the public? Calls people SOB? Allows extreme waste of taxpayer monies for private jets and first class travel, thousands of dollars for redecorating offices, well above the $5,000 limit? Who doesn't tell the truth? That all while in office, not counting what went on before the election! Every single point you made is very valid. What does any of that have to do with the unhinged behavior of a large portion of our society right now? Are those points some sort of justification for Cynthia Nixon, NY gubernatorial candidate, comparing ICE to a terrorist organization? Does the excessive spending on office redecorating explain shooting up republicans at a softball practice? I'm trying to see the connection.
Sorry I should have said that the behavior starts at the top, or many are following the leader and his bad behavior. Too many think if he can do it, why can't I? He gets away with it, me too.. There is no excuse for any of it. It is called personal responsibility. Fine people on both sides... some not so fine on all sides!
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 23, 2018 16:50:29 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service. Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. Pick a principle and stick with it. I’m not ok with either one.
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 23, 2018 16:52:37 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service. Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. Pick a principle and stick with it. I do think there is a difference in denying service to an individual vs denying service to a class of people when you are a place of public accommodation. That said, I don’t support denying service in either case.
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Post by tara on Jun 23, 2018 16:53:49 GMT
[br Having children show up on your doorstep, having the main priority of finding their family, and giving them lawyers pro bono is a lot different than forcing them from their families indefinitely. This is my point. It’s ridiculous that I even had to tap that out and explain that to you. You're right, it IS ridiculous that you FELT you had to "tap that out", since no one is debating that. " If the very existence of this thread disturbs you, it’s probably best not to contribute.
If you believe that not opposing the president or this administration at every turn equates to being cool with racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc., it’s probably best not to contribute.
Anyone can post here, obviously, but this is not the place for those with opposing views to grill conservatives and demand that they defend every word of every post ad naseum. If you see that as us not wanting to be challenged on our views, it’s probably best not to contribute, and you can complain about that in every other thread you like." Given the above request for this thread, social graces should tell you that you aren't suited for this thread and when they don't, and you persist in blaming everything on conservatives, insulting them, refusing to listen to thoughtful, civil posts, and despite being asked the above, you're trolling. The subject of the treatment of these people have disturbed me. I was just disturbed that it didn’t disturbed you. Being here 48 hours isn’t invading your thread and asking questions is not attacking. Then you get mad at people when you throw out something so out there and then you get more mad when people don’t don’t buy it. We dont expect you to denounce trump at every turn but when your president acts like a dictator more than any other president in history, you might be concerned. If you’re not then I guess there is nothing else to say. We are lost as humans and you’re right. I’m not suited for this thread. And that’s a good thing.
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 23, 2018 16:55:20 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service. Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. Pick a principle and stick with it. Or ok with the billboard telling liberals to just keep driving and leave the great state of Texas.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2018 16:58:20 GMT
For example, when Trump is in debt to foreign banks, he becomes a slave to their whims. And the United States is in DEBT to China and how many other countries, who are not our friends. This is not new, of course, but much worse than ever before into the TRILLIONS to gift the wealthy.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 23, 2018 17:02:24 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service. Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. Pick a principle and stick with it. I do think there is a difference in denying service to an individual vs denying service to a class of people when you are a place of public accommodation. That said, I don’t support denying service in either case. That is a very good point. Something for me to think about, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 17:13:27 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service. Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. Pick a principle and stick with it. Or ok with the billboard telling liberals to just keep driving and leave the great state of Texas. as a conservative in California, I've been told to leave my state too. Not by a billboard though. By small minded individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 17:15:32 GMT
For example, when Trump is in debt to foreign banks, he becomes a slave to their whims. And the United States is in DEBT to China and how many other countries, who are not our friends. This is not new, of course, but much worse than ever before into the TRILLIONS to gift the wealthy. The USA debt has been growing for YEARS and years. It's incredible they can still be adding more to it. It's going to hit the fan one of these days. Probably sooner than later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 17:24:47 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service. Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. Pick a principle and stick with it. Or ok with the billboard telling liberals to just keep driving and leave the great state of Texas. Or ok with the Oakland, CA coffee shop that refuses service to police officers. I'm not ok with any of it.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 17:35:28 GMT
As a purely theoretical discussion, why are people not ok with Sarah not being served at the Red Hen but applauding the Supreme Court ruling on the baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. Conversely, why are people upset about a baker denying a gay couple service but not upset about a restaurant denying Sarah service. Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. Pick a principle and stick with it. I do think there is a difference in denying service to an individual vs denying service to a class of people when you are a place of public accommodation. That said, I don’t support denying service in either case. I am interested more on your thoughts on this. Can you elaborate?
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 23, 2018 17:42:46 GMT
Enjoying the discussion here. So far no name calling. I like that. I love hearing things that make me think. I often see both sides to an issue and argue both sides in my head to clarify my thinking. Sometimes there are no easy answers and I get overwhemed by the complexity because to fix one thing you end up breaking another.
That said, I believe in the power of one person making a difference. What can we do to bridge the gap between the right and left and how do we encourage polite discourse?
Could the power of the peas create solutions to problems? Could we lay aside our preconceived concepts and create real solutions. I for one believe we can if we try.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 23, 2018 17:57:05 GMT
The Civil War? The 1960s? Good points. I think that's where we're headed again. You? I'm studying various aspects of the Civil War - i.e., the Civil War from the perspective of many diverse individuals and their families. I'm trying to find out about a near ancestor of mine. It's important to me to find out about my father's grandmother for personal reasons. Because there are wickedly long generations on that side, she lived and died before there was much paperwork and virtually none has been found on her. So, I took a DNA test, and had my mother tested as well to be able to rule out matches. I'm looking for any commonalities between matches that must go back to the early 1800's, late 1700's so that means mapping out a lot of other people's trees. Even though I grew up in the north, I have groups of matches that were all in the south and everything about their lives differs from my immediate family drastically. It's a struggle for me every time I see that CSA (Confederate States of America - the rebels of the Civil War) pop up. I've studied quite a number of southern families. I finally found some empathy for anyone who fought for the Confederacy when I studied several families from Texas before, during and after the Civil War. When I got to the Civil War in Missouri, my perspective changed yet again. Living there at that time must have been brutal. Since Missouri was both a slave state and still part of the Union, the state was terribly divided. It was a very dangerous time and place to live no matter what you believed in. I've learned that it's really, really, really easy to categorize people and assume you understand their beliefs, their way of life even, without ever taking the trouble to actually learn about them. But when you do learn about them, as individuals, you may confirm what you always thought, and/or you may learn things that touch your heart and change everything you always thought you knew about people on a personal level. This hysteria from the left - and yes, I do mean hysteria with all the emotional drama that entails - is so damaging. This banner of moral superiority that they hold forth as they go headlong into battle hasn't been properly earned. They are not morally superior. They were not innocent during our last presidential election. The motives to take down our current president are not as pure as the rhetoric implores us to believe. This is the same party that put economic prosperity based on the enslavement of an entire race above the dignity of the human soul. This is the same party that created the Ku Klux Klan in order to keep down those people of color who were freed by emancipation. This is the same party who in this last presidential election hung their hopes and dreams on a woman who had more properly earned the right to a trial by her peers in a felony court than a national election for president. This is the same party ripping babies out of their mother's wombs while they gnash their teeth over children being temporarily separated from their mothers, coyotes, and other odious persons at our border. Donald Trump is not a gentleman. He is crude and he is obnoxious. Those who hate him are not gentle. They too are crude and obnoxious. And when they rally beneath the banner of moral superiority to try to oust the duly elected and seated President of the United States of America when they are in fact, not morally superior, they are creating a very deep divide amongst us. The 4 bloody years of the American Civil War were set off by the firing on US troops at Fort Sumter in South Carolina's Charleston Bay by the Confederates who were resisting compliance with the rule of the United States. Not so different now. We have federal laws that define how we regulate our borders. They create sanctuary cities and march for no borders. We have federal laws intended to create a safe and regulated method for immigrants to enter our country as well as a pathway to becoming legal citizens of the United States. They want people who sneak into the country for whatever reason to be given all the rights and privileges of those who earned those rights through our legal methods. To emphasize this, a concerted effort is made to never distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. They are proudly resisting. Again. Yes, there is great civil unrest throughout this country. Once again, it is based on a claim to moral superiority. And once again, the truth is anything but.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 18:24:43 GMT
Good points. I think that's where we're headed again. You? I'm studying various aspects of the Civil War - i.e., the Civil War from the perspective of many diverse individuals and their families. I'm trying to find out about a near ancestor of mine. It's important to me to find out about my father's grandmother for personal reasons. Because there are wickedly long generations on that side, she lived and died before there was much paperwork and virtually none has been found on her. So, I took a DNA test, and had my mother tested as well to be able to rule out matches. I'm looking for any commonalities between matches that must go back to the early 1800's, late 1700's so that means mapping out a lot of other people's trees. Even though I grew up in the north, I have groups of matches that were all in the south and everything about their lives differs from my immediate family drastically. It's a struggle for me every time I see that CSA (Confederate States of America - the rebels of the Civil War) pop up. I've studied quite a number of southern families. I finally found some empathy for anyone who fought for the Confederacy when I studied several families from Texas before, during and after the Civil War. When I got to the Civil War in Missouri, my perspective changed yet again. Living there at that time must have been brutal. Since Missouri was both a slave state and still part of the Union, the state was terribly divided. It was a very dangerous time and place to live no matter what you believed in. I've learned that it's really, really, really easy to categorize people and assume you understand their beliefs, their way of life even, without ever taking the trouble to actually learn about them. But when you do learn about them, as individuals, you may confirm what you always thought, and/or you may learn things that touch your heart and change everything you always thought you knew about people on a personal level. This hysteria from the left - and yes, I do mean hysteria with all the emotional drama that entails - is so damaging. This banner of moral superiority that they hold forth as they go headlong into battle hasn't been properly earned. They are not morally superior. They were not innocent during our last presidential election. The motives to take down our current president are not as pure as the rhetoric implores us to believe. This is the same party that put economic prosperity based on the enslavement of an entire race above the dignity of the human soul. This is the same party that created the Ku Klux Klan in order to keep down those people of color who were freed by emancipation. This is the same party who in this last presidential election hung their hopes and dreams on a woman who had more properly earned the right to a trial by her peers in a felony court than a national election for president. This is the same party ripping babies out of their mother's wombs while they gnash their teeth over children being temporarily separated from their mothers, coyotes, and other odious persons at our border.Donald Trump is not a gentleman. He is crude and he is obnoxious. Those who hate him are not gentle. They too are crude and obnoxious. And when they rally beneath the banner of moral superiority to try to oust the duly elected and seated President of the United States of America when they are in fact, not morally superior, they are creating a very deep divide amongst us. The 4 bloody years of the American Civil War were set off by the firing on US troops at Fort Sumter in South Carolina's Charleston Bay by the Confederates who were resisting compliance with the rule of the United States. Not so different now. We have federal laws that define how we regulate our borders. They create sanctuary cities and march for no borders. We have federal laws intended to create a safe and regulated method for immigrants to enter our country as well as a pathway to becoming legal citizens of the United States. They want people who sneak into the country for whatever reason to be given all the rights and privileges of those who earned those rights through our legal methods. To emphasize this, a concerted effort is made to never distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. They are proudly resisting. Again. Yes, there is great civil unrest throughout this country. Once again, it is based on a claim to moral superiority. And once again, the truth is anything but. Every.single.thing. Thank you. Exactly how I feel also. The bolded part especially.
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