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Post by redhead32 on Jun 23, 2018 20:51:55 GMT
I reached my limit and can't view the article. Would someone be able to give a very brief summary, or is it something that I really need to whole thing? SSH and group arrived and were seated. Staff called the owner. Owner asked SSH to have a private conversation, and SSH said she'd leave. Quote from article explaining why it happened: "And she knew — she believed — that Sarah Huckabee Sanders worked in the service of an “inhumane and unethical” administration. That she publicly defended the president’s cruelest policies, and that that could not stand." During conversation with SSH, owner said she babbled: "“I was babbling a little, but I got my point across in a polite and direct fashion,” Wilkinson said. “I explained that the restaurant has certain standards that I feel it has to uphold, such as honesty, and compassion, and cooperation." SSH left voluntarily, then tweeted this from her official account: "Last night I was told by the owner of Red Hen in Lexington, VA to leave because I work for @potus and I politely left. Her actions say far more about her than about me. I always do my best to treat people, including those I disagree with, respectfully and will continue to do so." I think I hit all the main points. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 20:54:20 GMT
But that is not the law nor the Constitution. It DOES matter, legally. Don’t like it, move to another country that doesn’t follow our Constitution. I don’t like how we can give someone a free pass because they are black. Really? FFS.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 23, 2018 20:57:25 GMT
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 23, 2018 21:02:35 GMT
I applaud her courage, and feel she was within her rights to ask her to leave.
I do believe her employee should of kept it off of Facebook. I think all employees should keep work related stuff off of Facebook. It would have been interesting to see what SHS would have done if that hadn't gone viral.
I think that SHS violated ethics using her official twitter account.
I think that her statements "Her actions say far more about her (the owner) than about me" SHS method of deflecting.
Instead I think "Yes, the owner has backbone and a moral compass. You, not so much.'
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2018 21:22:26 GMT
But that is not the law nor the Constitution. It DOES matter, legally. Don’t like it, move to another country that doesn’t follow our Constitution. I don’t like how we can give someone a free pass because they are black. The constitutional guarantee of equal treatment under the law is not a free pass to anything. This statement is really telling. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:33:21 GMT
I don’t like how we can give someone a free pass because they are black. Well, I don't like that you're a racist, but here we are. Name-calling is really a way to stop conversation. |
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Post by lauradrumm on Jun 23, 2018 21:36:47 GMT
It’s protected but we should remove the race and and how we feel about Sarah and treat everyone the same. Businesses have a right to deny service - it doesn’t matter if they’re gay, black or their beliefs But that is not the law nor the Constitution. It DOES matter, legally. Don’t like it, move to another country that doesn’t follow our Constitution. |
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Post by lauradrumm on Jun 23, 2018 21:38:50 GMT
Regarding removing race, gender, etc from protection vs. SHS: no one can choose their race, gender or sexual orientation. SHS made a moral choice to defend 45’s horrid agenda. That’s the difference.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 23, 2018 21:39:31 GMT
Well, I don't like that you're a racist, but here we are. Name-calling is really a way to stop conversation. Racism is really a way to stop civilized society. And when encountered needs to be called out, not ignored. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:43:37 GMT
Name-calling is really a way to stop conversation. Racism is really a way to stop civilized society. And when encountered needs to be called out, not ignored. some people see racism where there was none intended. Just saying. |
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Post by dewryce on Jun 23, 2018 21:44:45 GMT
Racism is really a way to stop civilized society. And when encountered needs to be called out, not ignored. some people see racism where there was none intended. Just saying. Some people ignore racism when it is obvious. Just saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:47:36 GMT
I get a big kick out of people that tout the constitution, and it's protections, but when ILLEGAL immigration is brought up they don't want people to follow the laws of the land.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:48:35 GMT
some people see racism where there was none intended. Just saying. Some people ignore racism when it is obvious. Just saying. Some people (illegal immigrants) ignore our laws. Just saying. |
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Post by dewryce on Jun 23, 2018 21:53:10 GMT
Some people ignore racism when it is obvious. Just saying. Some people (illegal immigrants) ignore our laws. Just saying. Subject change, but I'll play. Yes, they do. And some people think that makes treating them inhumanely okay. Just saying. But wait, many of them think it's okay to treat them inhumanely because of the color of their skin and/or because they are foreign. Which brings us back to racism with an added bonus of xenophobia. Eta: Bored now. (Bonus points for those who can name the Buffy reference). Anyway, we aren't having a real discussion and are both derailing the thread. On this subject I'll conclude that it was a racist statement and was rightfully called out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:59:40 GMT
Some people (illegal immigrants) ignore our laws. Just saying. Subject change, but I'll play. Yes, they do. And some people think that makes treating them inhumanely okay. Just saying. But wait, many of them think it's okay to treat them inhumanely because of the color of their skin and/or because they are foreign. Which brings us back to racism with an added bonus of xenophobia. name calling again. thanks. Geeze. Personally, I haven't treated ANY illegal inhumanely. In fact, I happily serve them at my church in the food ministry my church runs. Exactly how do YOU serve them? By posting your indignation on an anomonous message board? That helps a lot. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 23, 2018 22:01:14 GMT
Well, I don't like that you're a racist, but here we are. Name-calling is really a way to stop conversation. I’m going to call that particular behavior exactly what it is, so if it offends your fragility, that’s on you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 22:03:56 GMT
I get a big kick out of people that tout the constitution, and it's protections, but when ILLEGAL immigration is brought up they don't want people to follow the laws of the land. No one is saying that people shouldn’t follow the laws of the land but because they are trying to get into this country illegally doesn’t mean they should be treated less than human. Especially when the other part of this equation is getting a pass. They are the employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers like the owners of the big produce farms in California’s Central Valley. Can you imagine these employers being treated the way immigrants are being treated at the border? Maybe they should be. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 22:06:24 GMT
Name-calling is really a way to stop conversation. I’m going to call that particular behavior exactly what it is, so if it offends your fragility, that’s on you. Nope. It's on the inconsiderate person that wrote the name calling. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 22:07:23 GMT
I can really understand why our lawmakers can't get any significant laws passed.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 23, 2018 22:07:43 GMT
I’m going to call that particular behavior exactly what it is, so if it offends your fragility, that’s on you. Nope. It's on the inconsiderate person that wrote the name calling. If you find what I said inconsiderate, I will take that ALL DAY LONG, because I’d rather err on that side than be complicit when I see overt racism. Your mileage obviously varies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 22:11:05 GMT
Nope. It's on the inconsiderate person that wrote the name calling. If you find what I said inconsiderate, I will take that ALL DAY LONG, because I’d rather err on that side than be complicit when I see overt racism. Your mileage obviously varies. Do as you please. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 22:18:42 GMT
You know that if it would have been, the Liberal press would have been all over it. I remember the good old days when being conservative wasn't based upon hatred of liberals. It was actually a political ideology. I can't remember a time when being liberal wasn't based on hating conservatives. |
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Post by dewryce on Jun 23, 2018 22:18:47 GMT
Subject change, but I'll play. Yes, they do. And some people think that makes treating them inhumanely okay. Just saying. But wait, many of them think it's okay to treat them inhumanely because of the color of their skin and/or because they are foreign. Which brings us back to racism with an added bonus of xenophobia. name calling again. thanks. Geeze. Personally, I haven't treated ANY illegal inhumanely. In fact, I happily serve them at my church in the food ministry my church runs. Exactly how do YOU serve them? By posting your indignation on an anomonous message board? That helps a lot. I'm continuing this discussion because I'd like to know how what I said is name calling so that I can avoid it in the future. Unless you think it is okay to treat immigrants inhumanely because of the color or their skin, or where they are from, I was not referring to you. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 22:26:22 GMT
In my early days, I was a liberal democrat...because at the time, I didn't know any better. But even then, I knew abortion was morally and ethically wrong.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 22:36:55 GMT
I think the largest problem is how far away from fiscal issues politics has become. It is quite hard for people to compromise on moral/social issues people see as right or wrong. I totally agree with you here. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 23, 2018 22:39:47 GMT
Why is it not okay for Starbucks to ask two black men to leave but it is okay to ask Sarah to leave? Let’s remove the race and remove what job Sarah holds. These are two companies asking someone to leave. They have the right to ask someone to leave. Instead we cry out Starbucks is racist but applaud Red Hen. That's called liberal bias and hypocrisy. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 23, 2018 22:52:05 GMT
Why is it not okay for Starbucks to ask two black men to leave but it is okay to ask Sarah to leave? Let’s remove the race and remove what job Sarah holds. These are two companies asking someone to leave. They have the right to ask someone to leave. Instead we cry out Starbucks is racist but applaud Red Hen. That's called liberal bias and hypocrisy. I know the concept of immutable characteristics and protected classes has been explained to you already, so I’m not sure why this is all so difficult for you to comprehend. |
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 23, 2018 23:02:37 GMT
Some people (illegal immigrants) ignore our laws. Just saying. You do realize that illegal immigration is a misdeamenor. And that appearing at the border asking for asylum is allowed. In contrast, using the office of Potus for personal gain, insider trading (Wilber Ross), misappropriation of governments funds (Munuchin, Pruitt), lying under oath (Sessions), lying on security clearance forms 3 times (Kushner), working with foreign agents (the whole damn clan) are all Felonies. But I understand, IOKIYRR. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2018 23:11:07 GMT
I don’t like how we can give someone a free pass because they are black. And with that, you go on “block.” Anyone who utters what you posted is too stupid and racist to merit my time reading her posts. The 2 men were in Starbucks waiting for a client.... How is that a free pass. They did nothing wrong. Why is it not okay for Starbucks to ask two black men to leave but it is okay to ask Sarah to leave? Let’s remove the race and remove what job Sarah holds. These are two companies asking someone to leave. They have the right to ask someone to leave. Instead we cry out Starbucks is racist but applaud Red Hen. I don't think it is ok to ask anyone to leave as long as they are not causing a problem and that includes SHS, as it appears neither she or her group were misbehaving. The CEO of Starbucks addressed that situation immediately and spoke with the young men. I certainly did not applaud the Red Hen nor did I say they were right or wrong. ETA: I agree with whoever posted above somewhere that the employee/waiter should not have posted what he did. Had he not this whole thing might not have escalated as it has. Now it has become a she said/she said......... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 23:35:39 GMT
Some people (illegal immigrants) ignore our laws. Just saying. You do realize that illegal immigration is a misdeamenor. And that appearing at the border asking for asylum is allowed. In contrast, using the office of Potus for personal gain, insider trading (Wilber Ross), misappropriation of governments funds (Munuchin, Pruitt), lying under oath (Sessions), lying on security clearance forms 3 times (Kushner), working with foreign agents (the whole damn clan) are all Felonies. But I understand, IOKIYRR. Nope, there are a LOT of illegal immigrants that sneak into our country over the border. They ARE illegal immigrants. |
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