ReConTarian Sandbox

I think you misunderstand what she is saying. She did not claim that illegal immigrants didn't exist, she said that the offense was a misdemeanor. Perhaps you thought she said misnomer? I did my first read through and was also confused.

Uh, I can.

I married one too. GWB turned him to the liberal side.  And he voted for GWB the first time - in fact, every election before W’s second one my dh had voted Republican.    

Nope, there are a LOT of illegal immigrants that sneak into our country over the border.  They ARE illegal immigrants.

But not all immigrants are illegal.

Those detained at the border under the current policy are requesting asylum. They have not been declared illegal immigrants.

Every.single.thing.  Thank you.  Exactly how I feel also.  The bolded part especially. 

Yes, I do think your willfully ignorant of you ignore the history of civil unrest and just plain bad behavior toward various administrations to declare that Trump’s administration has been treated so much worse than any previous administration. Reagan and Jim Brady were shot. Bush had people protesting outside his Texas ranch for his decision regarding Iraq. Scooter Libby outed a CIA agent because she didn’t agree with his policies. O’bama was regularly hung in effigy and he and his family were regularly compared to apes. The civil rights era as a whole. The assasination of JFK and Robert Kennedy. This administration hasn’t been treated any worse than administrations before them.

Try this one 

Yeah, I married one, and it has never been an issue until this administration. Fortunately for me, he is now what we call a recovering republican (RR), or a democrat in denial (DiD). 

I do think there is a difference in denying service to an individual vs denying service to a class of people when you are a place of public accommodation. That said, I don’t support denying service in either case.

I'm studying various aspects of the Civil War - i.e., the Civil War from the perspective of many diverse individuals and their families.

I'm trying to find out about a near ancestor of mine. It's important to me to find out about my father's grandmother for personal reasons. Because there are wickedly long generations on that side, she lived and died before there was much paperwork and virtually none has been found on her.

So, I took a DNA test, and had my mother tested as well to be able to rule out matches. 

I'm looking for any commonalities between matches that must go back to the early 1800's, late 1700's so that means mapping out a lot of other people's trees. Even though I grew up in the north, I have groups of matches that were all in the south and everything about their lives differs from my immediate family drastically. It's a struggle for me every time I see that CSA (Confederate States of America - the rebels of the Civil War) pop up.

I've studied quite a number of southern families. I finally found some empathy for anyone who fought for the Confederacy when I studied several families from Texas before, during and after the Civil War.

When I got to the Civil War in Missouri, my perspective changed yet again. Living there at that time must have been brutal. Since Missouri was both a slave state and still part of the Union, the state was terribly divided. It was a very dangerous time and place to live no matter what you believed in.



I've learned that it's really, really, really easy to categorize people and assume you understand their beliefs, their way of life even, without ever taking the trouble to actually learn about them.

But when you do learn about them, as individuals, you may confirm what you always thought, and/or you may learn things that touch your heart and change everything you always thought you knew about people on a personal level.





This hysteria from the left - and yes, I do mean hysteria with all the emotional drama that entails - is so damaging.

This banner of moral superiority that they hold forth as they go headlong into battle hasn't been properly earned. They are not morally superior. They were not innocent during our last presidential election. The motives to take down our current president are not as pure as the rhetoric implores us to believe.

This is the same party that put economic prosperity based on the enslavement of an entire race above the dignity of the human soul.

This is the same party that created the Ku Klux Klan in order to keep down those people of color who were freed by emancipation.

This is the same party who in this last presidential election hung their hopes and dreams on a woman who had more properly earned the right to a trial by her peers in a felony court than a national election for president.

This is the same party ripping babies out of their mother's wombs while they gnash their teeth over children being temporarily separated from their mothers, coyotes, and other odious persons at our border.



Donald Trump is not a gentleman. He is crude and he is obnoxious. Those who hate him are not gentle. They too are crude and obnoxious. And when they rally beneath the banner of moral superiority to try to oust the duly elected and seated President of the United States of America when they are in fact, not morally superior, they are creating a very deep divide amongst us.

The 4 bloody years of the American Civil War were set off by the firing on US troops at Fort Sumter in South Carolina's Charleston Bay by the Confederates who were resisting compliance with the rule of the United States.

Not so different now.

We have federal laws that define how we regulate our borders. They create sanctuary cities and march for no borders.

We have federal laws intended to create a safe and regulated method for immigrants to enter our country as well as a pathway to becoming legal citizens of the United States. They want people who sneak into the country for whatever reason to be given all the rights and privileges of those who earned those rights through our legal methods. To emphasize this, a concerted effort is made to never distinguish between legal and illegal immigration.



They are proudly resisting. Again.

Yes, there is great civil unrest throughout this country. Once again, it is based on a claim to moral superiority. And once again, the truth is anything but.

When one party rallies behind a guy who lies as easily as he breathes, who regularly cheats on each wife he’s had, who mocks disabled people, who enacts policies that tear children away from their families, who discounts the service of former POWs and gold star families and who uses the language of genocide (vermin, infesting, breeding) to refer to immigrants...

I’m going to claim moral superiority. Frankly, it’s not a very high bar in this case. I can’t really think of very many people I’ve known in my life who wouldn’t be morally superior to a standard this low.

I think the largest problem is how far away from fiscal issues politics has become. It is quite hard for people to compromise on moral/social issues people see as right or wrong.

And saying liberals are hysterical is name calling.

It would be pretty silly for me to hate conservatives and consider them all vile, since I lean that way on several issues. 

I have not once condemned all conservatives or called them vile. But I'm beyond sick and tired of blanket labels about libtards and liberal tears. I live in a very conservative area, and have been shut down multiple times as a non-christian baby killer for not voting for Trump from people I used to go to church with. I've been told that immigrants - especially Muslims - are here to kill us all and take over our country. I've been told that we need to get rid of all that welfare for those welfare queens (whatever that means) even though I know many of my conservative neighbors receive government assistance of various sorts for their families. Even on this very thread, presumably for conservatives only, there is at least one person who thinks that black people get a free pass. 

I get that bad behavior exists on both sides of the aisle. But don't play the victim here. You have attacked "liberals" in multiple ways, especially over the last couple of days, and accused them of bad behavior. You want better behavior from those hysterical liberals? Model it.