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Post by libby on Jun 24, 2018 22:03:42 GMT
I am a citizen just like you. I don’t care how many abortions a person has, I just don’t believe somebody else should pay for it. I am all for legal abortion. I am also anti welfare, food stamps etc. My family owns a business that is in several towns one has been there 52 years. The neighborhood use to be nice, now it’s the hood. You tell me why I should have to pay for grown ass men and women walking the streets all day. This particular building has to have lots of security (I could post a video from the cameras daily). One of my employees at this buildings wife is the fraud food stamp investigator, so we get to know who are abusing the system in this particular town. They walk in the shop daily asking for money. I can guarantee you that not a liberal here would spend one dime of their money to live in a neighborhood like this one. You are indeed. My point is that we are both citizens, and have equal rights. Neither gets to tell the other to leave. I am sorry about your circumstances. I am familiar with neighborhoods that have deteriorated, as we have many near my town. I apologize if I came across as you should leave. I don’t mean that. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 24, 2018 22:13:54 GMT
You are indeed. My point is that we are both citizens, and have equal rights. Neither gets to tell the other to leave. I am sorry about your circumstances. I am familiar with neighborhoods that have deteriorated, as we have many near my town. I apologize if I came across as you should leave. I don’t mean that. That’s ok. At some point, we(general we) have to find a way to work together. Congress will have to compromise, as it used to. Both sides will have to realize that polarization and winner take all leads to bad policy and laws. I hope that it happens in my lifetime.  |
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Post by libby on Jun 24, 2018 22:20:45 GMT
I apologize if I came across as you should leave. I don’t mean that. That’s ok. At some point, we(general we) have to find a way to work together. Congress will have to compromise, as it used to. Both sides will have to realize that polarization and winner take all leads to bad policy and laws. I hope that it happens in my lifetime. Me too. If we could all talk like we just did, I can see your side and any negativity I am sorry. |
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 24, 2018 22:24:11 GMT
A quick click on that link shows that he said “extreme conservatives,” which is decidedly different. Did you notice that his definition of "extreme conservatives" was defined as those who oppose abortion and gun control measures? I think he'd be pretty stunned if all those "extreme conservatives" actually decided to leave since we pay a HUGE portion of the state's taxes. He'd be begging..and I mean begging...us to reconsider. But that aside, I'm pretty sure that the GOVERNOR of any state has crossed a major line when he says that massive portions of his population are not welcome in the state where they peacefully pay taxes and own property. Simply for not agreeing with him on political issues. We're not talking about a specific group putting up road signs here--we're talking about a state's governor! Seems to me there's a lot to worry about there. I am not trying to be argumentative, but how is this any different than Trump tweeting similar things about Democrats? He tweets like he is still campaigning, and he says truly awful things about democrats. I agree that leadership of a government should represent all members of that entity. Both parties need to do better. Or Be Best. |
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Post by snowsilver on Jun 24, 2018 22:40:43 GMT
Did you notice that his definition of "extreme conservatives" was defined as those who oppose abortion and gun control measures? I think he'd be pretty stunned if all those "extreme conservatives" actually decided to leave since we pay a HUGE portion of the state's taxes. He'd be begging..and I mean begging...us to reconsider. But that aside, I'm pretty sure that the GOVERNOR of any state has crossed a major line when he says that massive portions of his population are not welcome in the state where they peacefully pay taxes and own property. Simply for not agreeing with him on political issues. We're not talking about a specific group putting up road signs here--we're talking about a state's governor! Seems to me there's a lot to worry about there. I am not trying to be argumentative, but how is this any different than Trump tweeting similar things about Democrats? He tweets like he is still campaigning, and he says truly awful things about democrats. I agree that leadership of a government should represent all members of that entity. Both parties need to do better. Or Be Best. No difference at all! I wish Trump would just shut down that blasted Twitter account and at least TRY to be a gentleman. Well there is one difference--Cuomo purports to be a suave and dignified politician. In this case, I think he handled himself pretty much on Trump's level. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 24, 2018 22:43:55 GMT
That’s ok. At some point, we(general we) have to find a way to work together. Congress will have to compromise, as it used to. Both sides will have to realize that polarization and winner take all leads to bad policy and laws. I hope that it happens in my lifetime. Me too. If we could all talk like we just did, I can see your side and any negativity I am sorry. I think that you hit the nail on the head. Both sides-and I am guilty of this too- get angry, we say things that we can’t take back, and we all spiral downward. I don’t have the answer, and I can’t promise not to become angry again, but at some point, all of us hopefully will realize that what we are doing isn’t working. It won’t be any time soon, but Ibelieve that it will eventually happen. Cheers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 22:49:02 GMT
I wish Trump would just shut down that blasted Twitter account and at least TRY to be a gentleman. Me too.  But he probably won't. |
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Post by katieanna on Jun 25, 2018 0:05:07 GMT
In my early days, I was a liberal democrat...because at the time, I didn't know any better. But even then, I knew abortion was morally and ethically wrong. In your opinion! Leave my body alone! It’s my soul so you have no business worrying about it or telling me what to do! The GOVERNMENT has even LESS! You’re basing your entire political choices on something the government has no right to be involved in!Now that's rich coming from someone with liberal views because you (general) sure want the gov't to control everything else. But that's the one thing the gov't is supposed to be involved in - protecting its citizens and that should include the unborn. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 25, 2018 0:14:12 GMT
No. A fetus that cannot survive outside of the mother is not a citizen of a country.
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 25, 2018 0:16:40 GMT
I am not trying to be argumentative, but how is this any different than Trump tweeting similar things about Democrats? He tweets like he is still campaigning, and he says truly awful things about democrats. I agree that leadership of a government should represent all members of that entity. Both parties need to do better. Or Be Best. No difference at all! I wish Trump would just shut down that blasted Twitter account and at least TRY to be a gentleman. Well there is one difference--Cuomo purports to be a suave and dignified politician. In this case, I think he handled himself pretty much on Trump's level. And once again, we are in agreement. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 25, 2018 0:54:20 GMT
In your opinion! Leave my body alone! It’s my soul so you have no business worrying about it or telling me what to do! The GOVERNMENT has even LESS! You’re basing your entire political choices on something the government has no right to be involved in!Now that's rich coming from someone with liberal views because you (general) sure want the gov't to control everything else. But that's the one thing the gov't is supposed to be involved in - protecting its citizens and that should include the unborn. False premise - liberals do not “want the government to control everything else.” Next? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 1:12:35 GMT
Neither is being fat protected by law. That doesn't make it alright to refuse service to someone for being fat just because the law doesn't tell you it's wrong. It may not be very kind to discriminate against fat people, but it's actually not illegal. Fat is not an immutable characteristic. That's my point. It shouldn't have to be illegal for you to know it's wrong. Refusing to serve someone based on their race. Refusing to serve someone based on their weight. Refusing to serve someone based on their politics. Refusing to serve someone based on their career. Refusing to make a wedding cake for someone based on their sexual orientation. Refusing to sign a marriage license based on the sexual orientation of the couple. Some illegal, some not. All of them wrong. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 25, 2018 1:34:05 GMT
It may not be very kind to discriminate against fat people, but it's actually not illegal. Fat is not an immutable characteristic. That's my point. It shouldn't have to be illegal for you to know it's wrong. Refusing to serve someone based on their race. Refusing to serve someone based on their weight. Refusing to serve someone based on their politics. Refusing to serve someone based on their career. Refusing to make a wedding cake for someone based on their sexual orientation. Refusing to sign a marriage license based on the sexual orientation of the couple. Some illegal, some not. All of them wrong. If you want to draw parallels between this situation and the cake baker, then legality matters. I don't have to tell you that there are any number of things that you and I would agree are morally wrong, that are still quite legal to do. Ideally, we don't try to legislate morality. Our laws are supposed to be designed to protect our constitutional rights. ETA: In the SHS matter, of course it would be ideal for the restaurant owner to take the high road. To absolutely shower SHS with kindness. That would be the morally correct thing to do. But I can't say that I fault the owner for doing what she did, either. I understand her feelings on the matter entirely. So while not, perhaps, the most moral choice, it also wasn't the most immoral. She didn't, for example, run SHS out of the restaurant at knife point. She didn't make a big scene or publicly humiliate her. She exercised her rights within the law in a quiet way, and SHS (to her credit) also didn't make a scene. SHS's later decision to shame the restaurant owner on social media using her work account may run afoul of WH ethics guidelines and/or the law - also not the most moral choice. If she wanted to do that, she should have used her personal account rather than the one associated with her publicly-funded government job - but of course she knew her personal account wouldn't have nearly the reach.  |
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 25, 2018 4:42:58 GMT
When one party rallies behind a guy who lies as easily as he breathes, who regularly cheats on each wife he’s had, who mocks disabled people, who enacts policies that tear children away from their families, who discounts the service of former POWs and gold star families and who uses the language of genocide (vermin, infesting, breeding) to refer to immigrants... I’m going to claim moral superiority. Frankly, it’s not a very high bar in this case. I can’t really think of very many people I’ve known in my life who wouldn’t be morally superior to a standard this low. When one party rallies behind a woman who lies as easily as she breathes, who in one breath decimates her husband's sexual assault victims and in another says all victims should be believed, who brags about making enemies of half the country she's asking to lead, who says all the things about illegal immigrants and building walls that Trump was a racist, xenophobe for saying, who disparages half the country, who lied to gold star families and when they called her on it she called them all liars, who can't, won't or doesn't understand how to deal with classified documents properly or safely and puts national security at risk, believes the laws and rules don't apply to her, has her husband go bribe the attorney general with the promise of a job in the middle of an investigation... those people hold absolutely NO moral high ground. So Ivanka’s private email use conducting government business was ok? Jared’s? Colin Powell’s AOL account? Btw, I am a big Colin Powell fan. Who doesn’t defend abusers? Oh, wait didn’t Trump defend Roy Moore? But wait there is more. Who says he grabs women by the *. But wait there is more.... Who lies about paying off a porn star? But wait there is more... Who commits adultery... But wait there is more... Who tells Russia about top secret information that Israel told us about. But wait there is more... A man who lies constantly....And we all know that the Bible says Satan is the father of lies. Well, then. Pruitt who took a special apartment from a lobbyist. The GOP used to stand for family values. No more. The GOP used to stand for free trade. No more. The GOP used to stand for NATO. No more. The GOP used to stand against dictators. No more. The GOP used to stand for the free press. No more. So guess what? This conservative is outraged and will vote out every spineless minion out. |
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 25, 2018 4:55:17 GMT
Liberals are ripping babies out of women’s wombs? Where is this happening? The government is doing this? Yeah,no. Liberals believe in the right to chose not necessarily in abortion. Big difference. Nobody is forcing anyone to have an abortion. Maybe if birth control was taught we would have less unwanted pregnancies. Murder is murder no matter how you look at it. So what do you call the death of some many that got killed unjustly, not in imaginary self-defense at the hand of cops? I support law enforcement btw, but not murder. Thoughts? |
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jun 25, 2018 5:28:16 GMT
And the United States is in DEBT to China and how many other countries, who are not our friends. This is not new, of course, but much worse than ever before into the TRILLIONS to gift the wealthy. The USA debt has been growing for YEARS and years. It's incredible they can still be adding more to it. It's going to hit the fan one of these days. Probably sooner than later. Agreed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 14:26:54 GMT
Murder is murder no matter how you look at it. So what do you call the death of some many that got killed unjustly, not in imaginary self-defense at the hand of cops? I support law enforcement btw, but not murder. Thoughts? I too support law enforcement but not murder. |
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Post by oliquig on Jun 25, 2018 16:36:43 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 25, 2018 17:02:14 GMT
There is also a Red Hen in NJ being harassed as well as one in Florida.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 25, 2018 17:04:37 GMT
I’m not surprised at all. This is the kind of behavior he finds totally acceptable. He always does this. It is no longer shocking.
It is completely abhorrent and unethical behavior of a sitting president and his staff to use their public platforms and media handles in this fashion.
Nothing will be done.
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Post by katieanna on Jun 25, 2018 18:59:03 GMT
I could never, in good conscience, condone abortion; but due to the hardness of hearts, I think women should have access to birth control. I apologize if I came across as you should leave. I don’t mean that. That’s ok. At some point, we(general we) have to find a way to work together. Congress will have to compromise, as it used to. Both sides will have to realize that polarization and winner take all leads to bad policy and laws. I hope that it happens in my lifetime. ITA The polarization is this country is tearing it apart and we will not, in the long run, be better for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 20:35:55 GMT
That's my point. It shouldn't have to be illegal for you to know it's wrong. Refusing to serve someone based on their race. Refusing to serve someone based on their weight. Refusing to serve someone based on their politics. Refusing to serve someone based on their career. Refusing to make a wedding cake for someone based on their sexual orientation. Refusing to sign a marriage license based on the sexual orientation of the couple. Some illegal, some not. All of them wrong. If you want to draw parallels between this situation and the cake baker, then legality matters. I don't have to tell you that there are any number of things that you and I would agree are morally wrong, that are still quite legal to do. Ideally, we don't try to legislate morality. Our laws are supposed to be designed to protect our constitutional rights. ETA: In the SHS matter, of course it would be ideal for the restaurant owner to take the high road. To absolutely shower SHS with kindness. That would be the morally correct thing to do. But I can't say that I fault the owner for doing what she did, either. I understand her feelings on the matter entirely. So while not, perhaps, the most moral choice, it also wasn't the most immoral. She didn't, for example, run SHS out of the restaurant at knife point. She didn't make a big scene or publicly humiliate her. She exercised her rights within the law in a quiet way, and SHS (to her credit) also didn't make a scene. SHS's later decision to shame the restaurant owner on social media using her work account may run afoul of WH ethics guidelines and/or the law - also not the most moral choice. If she wanted to do that, she should have used her personal account rather than the one associated with her publicly-funded government job - but of course she knew her personal account wouldn't have nearly the reach. I'm talking about agreeing or disagreeing with each situation, not the legality of the situations. I don't see how you can defend someone for upholding their convictions in one instance because you AGREE with their convictions and demonize someone for upholding their convictions in another simply because you DISAGREE with their convictions -and not be a hypocrite. Either you believe EVERYONE should be able to refuse service based on their religious/moral convictions, or NO ONE should. As stated in the other topic, if you offer dinner service/wedding cake to everyone, you should serve dinner/bake a wedding cake for everyone. Not just those you agree with politically/spiritually. You can't have it both ways depending on who you agree with. THAT is what makes it okay? The baker didn't do anything like that either, so it must have been okay for him to refuse service? Having the owner come over to your table, pull you aside and then returning to your table only to retrieve your things and everyone has to get up and leave before they get their dinner IS humiliating. The baker didn't do anything like that to the couple. And for the record I think the restaurant owner AND the baker should have served their customers. |
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Post by lauradrumm on Jun 26, 2018 1:30:49 GMT
A quick click on that link shows that he said “extreme conservatives,” which is decidedly different. Did you notice that his definition of "extreme conservatives" was defined as those who oppose abortion and gun control measures? I think he'd be pretty stunned if all those "extreme conservatives" actually decided to leave since we pay a HUGE portion of the state's taxes. He'd be begging..and I mean begging...us to reconsider. But that aside, I'm pretty sure that the GOVERNOR of any state has crossed a major line when he says that massive portions of his population are not welcome in the state where they peacefully pay taxes and own property. Simply for not agreeing with him on political issues. We're not talking about a specific group putting up road signs here--we're talking about a state's governor! Seems to me there's a lot to worry about there. There’s so much to worry about everywhere 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 13:36:41 GMT
What do the other recontarians think about the pending SCOTUS Janus decision ? I am not a fan of unions. I hope they come down in favor of Mark Janus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 14:16:18 GMT
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Post by oliquig on Jun 27, 2018 14:22:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 14:24:07 GMT
Yay! Maybe we can break the ridiculous hold the public sector unions in NYS have over politics and high taxes. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jun 27, 2018 14:31:00 GMT
I agree Anmore. With each decision coming out of the court I breathe a sigh of relief that maybe this country is taking a step back from the insanity of liberal policies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 15:04:52 GMT
I've never been a fan of forced union fees. My father owned his own business, and was still forced to join the union "or be killed" years ago. The union thugs tried to kill him in fact--by setting up an "accident."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 15:14:55 GMT
Sums up how I feel about unions link. |
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But he probably won't.
