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Post by cbet on Jul 25, 2018 14:21:28 GMT
Corners? Remember the cheapo old stamp positioners, some came with thin L shapes. Also, at your local office store you could look in the area of drafting stuff for all kinds of solutions. Last night I was looking for a long time for small drafting rulers and such. I found some small-ish triangles that were plastic that would probably work and some small L rulers that are metal. I'd like to find plastic L rulers instead. If anyone finds anything usable please share. Gale - I found these on Hobby Lobby's website : www.hobbylobby.com/Yarn-Needle-Art/Notions-Tools/Yarn-Tools/Yarn-Gauge-Rulers/p/80874596 . It looks like it would be easy to cut them at the corners. I'm going to stop there later today and see if they have them in the store so I can see how they'd actually work. Can't tell from the website how thick the acrylic is. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 25, 2018 17:00:39 GMT
I have one of the L-shaped stamp positioners from years ago. It's 1/2 inch thick.
Drafting triangles would work better than the old stamp positioners, if my positioner is typical.
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Post by cbet on Jul 26, 2018 20:05:05 GMT
I got ahold of the gauge rulers from Hobby Lobby that I posted about, and I think they will work just fine for this! Paid only $6 with my coupon; there are 3 gauges - 2", 4" and 6". They are made of acrylic about 1/8" thick. I'm planning on cutting the 2" one at opposite corners and sticking it down with Scotch poster tape because I don't know that I want to mess with magnets. You could cut the 4" and 6" one into 4 corners each, if you cut at the halfway point on each side. I might turn one of my bigger ones into the L-shaped ruler. I also picked up an inexpensive drawing set - this one: www.hobbylobby.com/Art-Supplies/Drafting/Glues-Accessories/6%22-Acrylic-Ruler-Combo-Set/p/155882 . The acrylic is about the same thickness. I didn't feel like making 2 trips, so no coupon for this one  |
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Post by clueless on Jul 26, 2018 22:13:53 GMT
I was looking at her website today and noticed that she has a patent for the creative corners as well. I mean I'll give her credit for finding solutions and making a profit from it but it's not like she discovered America to have them pattented. Magnets, rulers and glue have been around for centuries she just had to put them together...
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Post by gale w on Jul 27, 2018 2:44:41 GMT
I got ahold of the gauge rulers from Hobby Lobby that I posted about, and I think they will work just fine for this! Paid only $6 with my coupon; there are 3 gauges - 2", 4" and 6". They are made of acrylic about 1/8" thick. I'm planning on cutting the 2" one at opposite corners and sticking it down with Scotch poster tape because I don't know that I want to mess with magnets. You could cut the 4" and 6" one into 4 corners each, if you cut at the halfway point on each side. I might turn one of my bigger ones into the L-shaped ruler. I also picked up an inexpensive drawing set - this one: www.hobbylobby.com/Art-Supplies/Drafting/Glues-Accessories/6%22-Acrylic-Ruler-Combo-Set/p/155882 . The acrylic is about the same thickness. I didn't feel like making 2 trips, so no coupon for this one  We didn't make it to hobby lobby today but I'm saving this post for when we go. |
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Post by coloradocropper on Jul 27, 2018 19:42:15 GMT
Even though I didn't quite have a need for the bigger one (yet),I picked up TH platform at my LSS just a little while ago. I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get one if I waited. I won't be giving her any of my business that's for sure.
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Post by anniefb on Jul 27, 2018 20:01:25 GMT
I was looking at her website today and noticed that she has a patent for the creative corners as well. I mean I'll give her credit for finding solutions and making a profit from it but it's not like she discovered America to have them pattented. Magnets, rulers and glue have been around for centuries she just had to put them together... And set squares for use in schools? L rulers? I have no idea how she managed to get a patent for those. |
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Post by dasmith2 on Jul 27, 2018 21:12:43 GMT
I don't know anything about lawsuits and what not, but I hope she in no way benefits from all the recent Tonic platform sales..since they're now collaborating. I'm just curious is all
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 27, 2018 22:49:59 GMT
Tell my why I need to buy one of those corner things from basically anywhere but My Sweet Petunia.  |
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Post by artisticscrapper on Jul 28, 2018 2:31:09 GMT
Out of curiosityI just checked out her website. I could hardly see the product descriptions for all the patent numbers platstered all over the place. Sending a message much?
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Post by riley on Jul 28, 2018 2:58:53 GMT
Out of curiosityI just checked out her website. I could hardly see the product descriptions for all the patent numbers platstered all over the place. Sending a message much? I noticed that too. It's pretty distracting. Customers are not interested in looking at that kind of stuff. I went over there to look at the stick on tape. My cracked Misti was replaced with a second. The rulers were glued on with a big gap so they didn't measure accurately. I ended up buying the white replacement ruler tape with a coupon from Simon Says. I am guessing that Tim Hotz is not going to have any part in stamp positioners except outside of the US. Just seems odd about this collaboration. Tonic has been so all about Tim Holtz tools. |
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Post by quinmm14 on Jul 28, 2018 3:42:38 GMT
Well, my petty self hopes they decide to discontinue any type of stamp positioner that she benefits from. But I have been known to cut off my nose to spite my face, lol. I'm not a stamper, but dang if this doesn't have me wanting to make a spite purchase. The only thing stopping me is that I'm also wondering if My not so sweet Petunia profits from any of the sales of the TH platforms. If so, I won't be purchasing. I thought about emailing to find out, but I'm not sure they'd disclose that information. Plus that sounds really, really nosey of me. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 28, 2018 4:17:54 GMT
I was looking at her website today and noticed that she has a patent for the creative corners as well. I mean I'll give her credit for finding solutions and making a profit from it but it's not like she discovered America to have them pattented. Magnets, rulers and glue have been around for centuries she just had to put them together... And set squares for use in schools? L rulers? I have no idea how she managed to get a patent for those. I don't think her patent applies to those, just to the corners with magnets in them. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 28, 2018 4:21:47 GMT
Well, my petty self hopes they decide to discontinue any type of stamp positioner that she benefits from. But I have been known to cut off my nose to spite my face, lol. I'm not a stamper, but dang if this doesn't have me wanting to make a spite purchase. The only thing stopping me is that I'm also wondering if My not so sweet Petunia profits from any of the sales of the TH platforms. If so, I won't be purchasing. I thought about emailing to find out, but I'm not sure they'd disclose that information. Plus that sounds really, really nosey of me. I was thinking that making purchases now would be money in Tonic's pocket, not hers, but you could be right. It might be part of the "collaboration" and settlement. That never occurred to me. I hope not. I hope that the proceeds of the sales of their current platform still go to Tonic, and that the collaboration is a future thing. |
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Post by anniefb on Jul 28, 2018 5:00:39 GMT
And set squares for use in schools? L rulers? I have no idea how she managed to get a patent for those. I don't think her patent applies to those, just to the corners with magnets in them. Sure hop so! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 8:43:18 GMT
I am not a lawyer. I don't even really watch law tv shows so I am not even an armchair lawyer.  I remember we were talking over here a few months ago that she was saying she lost a lot of revenue because of his platform. I would not be surprised if she asked for part of the companies revenue on past and future sales. The judge could have dated from when the first Tonic stamp platform's were sold and gave her a percentage of those sales as part of the agreement. Yes, I do believe she is receiving profit's from the past and now recent sales of the platform. She has been in this industry a long time so she knows stamper's will make a run on the market for the last renaming stock so she would want that money. If any lawyers would love to tell me "No way that can happen." Please weigh in. I honestly think it would be common sense for a lawyer to ask for those things as part of what he/she would ask for in a case. You know lawyers add a lot in a case then whittle it down to a more manageable level. It is better to have items thrown out during the case than have the whole case unravel. |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 28, 2018 9:40:06 GMT
Well, if her patent actually applies to the drafting triangles, L-shaped ruler, and regular ruler, then someone at the patent office was doing a very sloppy job of researching before granting the patent.
I suspect she got the patent mainly due to how the corners are made. Magnets have been added to all kinds of shapes before, but her corners have the magnets embedded in the acrylic in a slightly different way.
It was a smart adaptation, and the MISTI was a smart adaptation, too. I will give her that.
What she does not seem to be smart enough to realize is that the way you treat people makes a huge difference in their willingness to do business with you.
People may forget eventually, but sometimes that is how companies become obsolete. The Wishblade was an example of how a small group of unhappy customers resulted in so much bad publicity that the Wishblade eventually disappeared from the market. The same machine, under a different company label, has thrived: Silhouette. The issue was not the machine, but the company that sold it.
The way you treat customers, as well as potential customers, matters.
While I don't think that the collaboration with MSP will ruin Tonic, she personally generated a lot of her own bad publicity. It remains to be seen whether it will hurt Tonic's future sales, or whether the collaboration results in such tempting future products that stampers will forgive and forget. Bigger companies are more likely to survive, as long as they care about customer satisfaction. Tonic does.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 28, 2018 9:43:51 GMT
I am not a lawyer. I don't even really watch law tv shows so I am not even an armchair lawyer. I remember we were talking over here a few months ago that she was saying she lost a lot of revenue because of his platform. I would not be surprised if she asked for part of the companies revenue on past and future sales. The judge could have dated from when the first Tonic stamp platform's were sold and gave her a percentage of those sales as part of the agreement. Yes, I do believe she is receiving profit's from the past and now recent sales of the platform. She has been in this industry a long time so she knows stamper's will make a run on the market for the last renaming stock so she would want that money. If any lawyers would love to tell me "No way that can happen." Please weigh in. I honestly think it would be common sense for a lawyer to ask for those things as part of what he/she would ask for in a case. You know lawyers add a lot in a case then whittle it down to a more manageable level. It is better to have items thrown out during the case than have the whole case unravel. I'm a lawyer's daughter. I think you have stated it very accurately. It should have been obvious to me, but I totally had overlooked it till the question was raised by quinmm14. Rather than be upset about buying the Tonic platform, though, I like to think that I helped support Tonic recover from an unfair lawsuit and judgement, even if MSP did end up with her piece of the pie. |
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Post by gale w on Jul 28, 2018 16:53:00 GMT
I think buying a Tonic platform right now would only put $$ in the pockets of the resellers, not Tonic, who would already have their money from the resellers paying for their inventory. But going forward, new stock sold might benefit her.
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Post by JustTricia on Jul 28, 2018 17:02:43 GMT
I’m curios where the concept for the corners came from. Was it just a natural progression, or were customers coming up with their own hacks?
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Post by gale w on Jul 28, 2018 17:20:58 GMT
I think customers were coming up with some kind of cardstock or cardboard corners. She couldn't have that.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 28, 2018 18:38:03 GMT
I just assumed that people were using their old stamp positioners, but the L-shape wasn't always as easy to use, and it didn't have magnets.
I really haven't felt a need for the corners in all the time I have been using my stamp platform. There are ways to position your card, carstock, or paper, simply by rotating it and then positioning your stamp. You can have your card fitted snugly in the corner and still have your stamp partway off if you rotate it in a different orientation than the normal.
I liked how she made a plaid card background, but I can do that with a ruler. I don't need the corners for that.
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Post by dasmith2 on Jul 28, 2018 20:58:39 GMT
I think customers were coming up with some kind of cardstock or cardboard corners. She couldn't have that. She went after people for that? Wow.... |
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Post by don on Jul 28, 2018 21:22:02 GMT
OK, I finally went looking for those corners you are talking about. Just get a magnetic sheet and make your own. Maybe you have a magnetic business card on your refrigerator, or stuck to your phone book. The sheets are available at Mike's, Jo's, or out in the Lobby.
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 29, 2018 2:07:10 GMT
OK, I finally went looking for those corners you are talking about. Just get a magnetic sheet and make your own. Maybe you have a magnetic business card on your refrigerator, or stuck to your phone book. The sheets are available at Mike's, Jo's, or out in the Lobby. The magnetic sheets I have don't stick to the platform. If someone finds a brand that does, please let us know. |
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jul 29, 2018 3:45:30 GMT
Here’s the thing ~ I am all for people protecting their design, trademark, patent, and / or copyright. My issue with her is that she took an age old design ~ a letterpress ~ and acted like she created it. Not that she reinvented it, repurposed it, tweaked it; she made it seem like she created a brand new idea. And then went after people who created their own versions. Which is exactly what she did. That's what pisses me off the most about her. Acting like the world had never pressed ink onto an image swiveled onto paper by a hinge. Do you know how many small "guillotine" trimmers there are? I have two CM ones. There's a Stampin' Up one, a Tonic one, a Fiskars one, a WeR one, a SwingLine one, etc., etc..... You shouldn't get to patent an idea that has been around for CENTURIES (unless you have an "in" in the patent office). I have a small "guillotine" trimmer from CM that I got around maybe 2001? Something like that. |
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jul 29, 2018 3:56:51 GMT
I was looking at her website today and noticed that she has a patent for the creative corners as well. I mean I'll give her credit for finding solutions and making a profit from it but it's not like she discovered America to have them pattented. Magnets, rulers and glue have been around for centuries she just had to put them together... Okay i have to admit I was curious. I went to the website. Holy Patents Batman! Why is that there? If I am buying the product, why do I care she has the patent listed? Never seen that before on website. |
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Post by don on Jul 29, 2018 4:12:18 GMT
OK, I finally went looking for those corners you are talking about. Just get a magnetic sheet and make your own. Maybe you have a magnetic business card on your refrigerator, or stuck to your phone book. The sheets are available at Mike's, Jo's, or out in the Lobby. The magnetic sheets I have don't stick to the platform. If someone finds a brand that does, please let us know. So I went out to my studio to check, and you're right. I don't have a misti, I have the blue knock-off and my Klingon, the sheets I have don't work on them. I bought the sheets to hold my thin dies, and they work well for them. I just watched a vid using the corners. I saw nothing I don't do just using a middle school math tool set and the magnets. It appeared to me their magnets are just glued to the plastic pieces. I'm thinking you could make you own with heavy plastic packaging material, the kind you need a power tool to open. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 30, 2018 4:43:13 GMT
I am another that made my own. Loved that thing. BUT I also wanted and got the HA Stampaholic one, the pretty aqua one. I think that is the one that was at Ms until it wasn't. I then thought I needed the WRMK while watching HSN. I also bought the TH stamp platform and after reading the stuff last week, ordered the sleeve for that. While I would like to go ahead and buy the travel platform, I think I own enough of the others that I will pass. I would like to buy those corners and such from MSP but that person will not receive one penny from me. I wish another company would come out with them but we all know how that will end up.
I wonder what Tonic would do, if anything, if all the crafters started sending emails to the company about not buying product that would be connected to her. I love my Tonic items and would hate to not ever have anything from them. If I find out something I want is connected to her, I will just have to make do without it. I want the corners too but I'll make my own out of legos before I buy them from her. Same for me, I wanted the corners but won’t buy anything of hers or that MGHT put any money in her pockets! |
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Post by scrapnnana on Jul 30, 2018 12:51:51 GMT
Actually, making the corners from Legos isn't a bad idea. I have seen tiny neodymium magnets that might fit inside the Legos perfectly. Maybe just use some super glue to hold them? Alone the magnets can be a severe hazard to children.
Another thought I had was to use the product that is at craft stores for making silicone molds. I don't remember what it's called, but it's like two soft plastic clays that you mix together, and once they are mixed, they are malleable for a short time, then they set. While still soft, you push whatever you want into them to make a mold. Perhaps I can find something that is the right angle shape, like a triangle that I cut the excess off, push the piece(s) deep enough into the mold stuff to make the right shaped cavity, after after the mold has hardened fill the bottom of the mold with a little melted UTEE (Ultra Thick Embossing Enamel), and then gently add one or two neodymium magnets before the UTEE sets.
I used to buy the silicone mold making stuff and UTEE at Michaels. Instead of UTEE, you might be able to find resin at a home improvement store, but I am not sure about whether that would work. UTEE might break over time, but as long as you keep the mold, you can always repeat the process to make more corner magnets.
The mold making stuff and UTEE might cost more than buying her corners, though, and I don't know if my suggestion is actually going to work well. It was just a thought.
Has anyone actually made their own corners yet? If so, what did you use and how did they work?
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