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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 13, 2018 14:42:03 GMT
at TIMES?!? Hypocrisy is one of the watchwords of this administration, I think! I heard or saw something about this- was it here? that none of those bikers would even be able to become a member of Trump's golf club, but apparently they don't care about the principle of the thing... apparently they don't mind being used JUST for the purposes of a photo op.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2018 15:22:08 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2018 15:27:49 GMT
And he was asked, isn't it the same with Harley Davidson to manufacture foreign purchased motorcycles where they are being bought instead of here?? He had no real answer.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 13, 2018 16:44:11 GMT
Well we knew that was going to happen. While the person who normally handles the discipline recommended a demotion and a 69 day suspension, nope—he spoke out against trump so it’s “off with his head”! Trump has repeatedly told us—if you don’t get on my train, support me blindly, give me 119% loyalty, I’m going to make sure that you’re fucked up. I hate what this administration is getting away with on a daily basis.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 13, 2018 16:47:17 GMT
That’s because they don’t pay a living wage in Haiti. But ok, another do as I say not as I do.
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 13, 2018 17:05:17 GMT
Him encouraging people to boycott Harley-Davidson makes me want to go buy one just for the heck of it. What a turdbucket Again he is going against a PRIVATE company!! In the picture, they are all hiding something... I wonder if he owns part of their competition or something. There's got to be monetary reasons behind all his rantings.
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Post by Merge on Aug 13, 2018 17:10:29 GMT
Wow. So not blindly supporting the president, or even a presidential candidate who later wins the election, is now grounds for firing and loss of pension/retirement. Welcome to the autocracy. I hope the folks who voted for Trump are proud of what they've done.
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 13, 2018 17:12:49 GMT
Wow. So not blindly supporting the president, or even a presidential candidate who later wins the election, is now grounds for firing and loss of pension/retirement. Welcome to the autocracy. I hope the folks who voted for Trump are proud of what they've done. Frightening!!!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 13, 2018 17:22:08 GMT
what's even MORE frightening is they probably ARE proud of what they've done. You know: 'it's okay, because it's not ME.' Until it IS you. Like the military member whose wife got deported. As long as his nasty policies are for those 'other' people (aka brown, or 'libtards'), things are just hunky-dory.
Because those people don't get the idea that it's not the 'other' people that are the issue, it's the reprehensible attitudes / policies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 17:33:03 GMT
Wow. So not blindly supporting the president, or even a presidential candidate who later wins the election, is now grounds for firing and loss of pension/retirement. Welcome to the autocracy. I hope the folks who voted for Trump are proud of what they've done. Did he use his work phone to send the text ? If not that is dreadful that someone gets fired for having a personal opinion about someone. That's going down a very slippery slope for any employee.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2018 17:37:34 GMT
Wow. So not blindly supporting the president, or even a presidential candidate who later wins the election, is now grounds for firing and loss of pension/retirement. Welcome to the autocracy. I hope the folks who voted for Trump are proud of what they've done. No doubt his people are proud!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2018 17:43:54 GMT
Did he use his work phone to send the text ? If not that is dreadful that someone gets fired for having a personal opinion about someone. That's going down a very slippery slope for any employee. I really don't know what phone he used, but I do think there should have been punishment for his actions.... It is not a matter of his personal opinion. Those personal opinions do not belong within the FBI building while at work at least while recorded, whether on tape or texts or however!. When you work for government there are things that are not supposed to be done. You work for the people not the president.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 17:50:35 GMT
Did he use his work phone to send the text ? If not that is dreadful that someone gets fired for having a personal opinion about someone. That's going down a very slippery slope for any employee. I really don't know what phone he used, but I do think there should have been punishment for his actions.... It is not a matter of his personal opinion. Those personal opinions do not belong within the FBI building while at work at least while recorded, whether on tape or texts or however!. When you work for government there are things that are not supposed to be done. You work for the people not the president. Wasn't it a private conversation via text between him and his lover? I'm not questioning it, I was trying to put all the pieces together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 17:57:22 GMT
Wow. So not blindly supporting the president, or even a presidential candidate who later wins the election, is now grounds for firing and loss of pension/retirement. Welcome to the autocracy. I hope the folks who voted for Trump are proud of what they've done. Frightening!!! It goes beyond not blindly supporting the president, that's just making excuses for someone that acted against the core values of the FBI. The Inspector General said it was “not only indicative of a biased state of mind” and implies “a willingness to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects” and that it was “antithetical to the core values of the FBI and the Department of Justice.” Strzok was a lead investigator in the investigation against the candidate where the investigator showed “a willingness to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects”. That's what's frightening. The FBI did their job correctly in firing him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 17:59:01 GMT
Wow. So not blindly supporting the president, or even a presidential candidate who later wins the election, is now grounds for firing and loss of pension/retirement. Welcome to the autocracy. I hope the folks who voted for Trump are proud of what they've done. Did he use his work phone to send the text ? If not that is dreadful that someone gets fired for having a personal opinion about someone. That's going down a very slippery slope for any employee. He did use his work phone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 18:04:23 GMT
Did he use his work phone to send the text ? If not that is dreadful that someone gets fired for having a personal opinion about someone. That's going down a very slippery slope for any employee. He did use his work phone. Can you link to who says that as I can't find anyone that can actually confirm that and in his own testimony it was a "late at night" exchange of text which leads me to believe that it was a private conversation between two people, no different to a husband and wife having a conversation over their evening meal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 18:08:17 GMT
He did use his work phone. Can you link to who says that as I can't find anyone that can actually confirm that and in his own testimony it was a "late at night" exchange of text which leads me to believe that it was a private conversation between two people, no different to a husband and wife having a conversation over their evening meal. It was in the Inspector General's report.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:08:27 GMT
He keeps ignoring the fact the whole Fusion/Steele dossier was started by a Republican. According to a timeline I read, the Republican that was digging up the dirt on Trump stopped working with Fusion before they ever hired Steele. I'll see if I can find it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:10:17 GMT
The firing of Pete Strzok was a political firing by the FBI. My guess the FBI through him under the bus to shut trump up for awhile. And yes I read the IG’s report, Chapter 12 on Page’s & Strzok’s texting.
Benjamin Wittes did a thread on the firing that I agree with.
“I just donated to this @gofundme:"Support for FBI Veteran Pete Strzok" I want to say a few words about why.”
“I do not approve of or defend what Strzok did, which was monumentally stupid for a very smart guy, and which caused huge problems for the FBI in two separate high profile investigations on which the integrity of the Bureau's work should have been beyond question.”
“That said, I don't believe that individual line agents at federal law enforcement agencies should be the subject of Twitter campaigns by the President of the United States.”
“I do believe that federal employees have the right to their private views.”
“I don't believe that Strzok's incredibly foolish decision to share those private views with another FBI employee on Bureau hardware amounts to a firing offense. I still don't fully understand what rule he is supposed to have violated.”
“I believe that Strzok has served this country in a number of different capacities over a long period of time and that this fact deserved more consideration than it appears to have received in the final adjudication of his case.”
“I believe the recommendation of OPR for that appears to have been overturned thus warranted more deference than it received.”
“And I don't believe that the costs of running afoul of the President should be career ruin and personal bankruptcy.”
“For all these reasons, I believe Strzok deserves a defense.”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2018 19:12:01 GMT
Stephen Miller’s uncle calls Miller an ‘immigration hypocrite,’ compares Trump to NazisBY ARIS FOLLEY - 08/13/18 07:37 AM EDT The uncle of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller referred to him as an “immigration hypocrite” in a scathing editorial. “If my nephew’s ideas on immigration had been in force a century ago, our family would have been wiped out,” David S. Glosser wrote of his nephew’s attitudes toward immigration in an editorial published by Politico on Monday. Glosser proceeded to tell a story of a man, Wolf-Leib Glosser, who fled the village of Antopol, now known as Belarus, to come to America. Glosser said the man arrived in Ellis Island on January 7, 1903, with just $8 to his name and described how he progressed from peddling on the corner and working in sweat shops to owning a haberdashery in Johnstown, Pennsylvania. “The Glosser family quickly progressed from selling goods from a horse and wagon to owning a haberdashery in Johnstown run by Nathan and Wolf-Leib to a chain of supermarkets and discount department stores run by my grandfather, Sam, and the next generation of Glossers, including my dad, Izzy,” Glosser wrote. “It was big enough to be listed on the AMEX stock exchange and employed thousands of people over time. In the span of some 80 years and five decades, this family emerged from poverty in a hostile country to become a prosperous, educated clan of merchants, scholars, professionals, and, most important, American citizens.” “What does this classically American tale have to do with Stephen Miller? Well, Izzy Glosser, is his maternal grandfather, and Stephen’s mother, Miriam, is my sister,” Glosser continued. Glosser went on to describe how he has watched with “dismay and increasing horror” as his nephew has become “the architect of immigration policies that repudiate the very foundation of our family’s life in this country.” “I shudder at the thought of what would have become of the Glossers had the same policies Stephen so coolly espouses— the travel ban, the radical decrease in refugees, the separation of children from their parents, and even talk of limiting citizenship for legal immigrants— been in effect when Wolf-Leib made his desperate bid for freedom,” Glosser wrote. “The Glossers came to the U.S. just a few years before the fear and prejudice of the ‘America First’ nativists of the day closed U.S. borders to Jewish refugees. Had Wolf-Leib waited, his family would likely have been murdered by the Nazis along with all but seven of the 2,000 Jews who remained in Antopol.” ** “Most damning is the administration's evident intent to make policy that specifically disadvantages people based on their ethnicity, country of origin, and religion,” Glosser said. “As free Americans, and the descendants of immigrants and refugees, we have the obligation to exercise our conscience by voting for candidates who will stand up for our highest national values and not succumb to our lowest fears,” Glosser added. More at link: thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/401510-stephen-millers-uncle-calls-miller-an-immigration-hypocriteHis family doesn't even like what he has become! I've said before we all come from immigrants!! We have no reson to say much at all bout who should come here!
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Post by Merge on Aug 13, 2018 19:20:00 GMT
It goes beyond not blindly supporting the president, that's just making excuses for someone that acted against the core values of the FBI. The Inspector General said it was “not only indicative of a biased state of mind” and implies “a willingness to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects” and that it was “antithetical to the core values of the FBI and the Department of Justice.” Strzok was a lead investigator in the investigation against the candidate where the investigator showed “a willingness to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects”. That's what's frightening. The FBI did their job correctly in firing him. Can you cite the text where he mentioned taking some sort of official action? Can the IG?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:25:24 GMT
He keeps ignoring the fact the whole Fusion/Steele dossier was started by a Republican. According to a timeline I read, the Republican that was digging up the dirt on Trump stopped working with Fusion before they ever hired Steele. I'll see if I can find it. It doesn’t matter. The Clinton lawyer who took it over once the Republican bailed did not direct Fusion to hire Steele. What trump is trying to do is make what Fusion did as bad as the meeting in trump tower. And that if what jr did was illegal so did what a Fusion did as well. The point I was making, this opposition research, regardless of where it ultimately went, was started by a Republican and not Hillary Clinton. But to hear trump tell it it was all on Hillary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:41:36 GMT
“That said, I don't believe that individual line agents at federal law enforcement agencies should be the subject of Twitter campaigns by the President of the United States.” I agree. Most of the time I wish he would shut up. “I do believe that federal employees have the right to their private views.” They cease to be private if they're putting them in writing them on their government devices. “I don't believe that Strzok's incredibly foolish decision to share those private views with another FBI employee on Bureau hardware amounts to a firing offense. I still don't fully understand what rule he is supposed to have violated.” Strzok was a lead investigator in the investigation against the candidate where the investigator showed “a willingness to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects” and that goes against the FBI's core values.
Nov 20, 2016 9:41:46 GMT -6 fred said: “And I don't believe that the costs of running afoul of the President should be career ruin and personal bankruptcy.” It was running afoul of his job and the FBI's mission and values. “For all these reasons, I believe Strzok deserves a defense.” This guy is too intelligent to pass these off as valid arguments. They're nothing more than bogus reasons and making excuses for someone who went against his mission and fucked up the integrity of the investigation and the reputation of the FBI.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 13, 2018 19:45:27 GMT
He got another one........... Sacha Baron Cohen tricks pro-gun group leader into BY BROOKE SEIPEL - 08/13/18 07:25 AM EDT link.. Could be OFFENSIVE !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:47:36 GMT
According to a timeline I read, the Republican that was digging up the dirt on Trump stopped working with Fusion before they ever hired Steele. I'll see if I can find it. It doesn’t matter. The Clinton lawyer who took it over once the Republican bailed did not direct Fusion to hire Steele. What trump is trying to do is make what Fusion did as bad as the meeting in trump tower. And that if what jr did was illegal so did what a Fusion did as well. The point I was making, this opposition research, regardless of where it ultimately went, was started by a Republican and not Hillary Clinton. But to hear trump tell it it was all on Hillary. It mattered enough for you to pin it on Republicans a couple of days ago. Now it doesn't matter when it was only Clinton dealing with the Steele dossier? That makes no rational sense. He keeps ignoring the fact the whole Fusion/Steele dossier was started by a Republican.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 20:14:21 GMT
It doesn’t matter. The Clinton lawyer who took it over once the Republican bailed did not direct Fusion to hire Steele. What trump is trying to do is make what Fusion did as bad as the meeting in trump tower. And that if what jr did was illegal so did what a Fusion did as well. The point I was making, this opposition research, regardless of where it ultimately went, was started by a Republican and not Hillary Clinton. But to hear trump tell it it was all on Hillary. It mattered enough for you to pin it on Republicans a couple of days ago. Now it doesn't matter when it was only Clinton dealing with the Steele dossier? That makes no rational sense. He keeps ignoring the fact the whole Fusion/Steele dossier was started by a Republican. I didn’t “pin it on” I said it was started by a Republican. There is a difference and it happens to be a fact. Oppostion research is research. Ultimately the research produced the Steele Dossier which ,if the Republican had continued to foot the bill, is what would have been the final product for him, the Republican. If you want to know the time line and why Fusion hired Steele in the first place it’s all in the public transcript from the Congressional Hearings. What trump is trying to do is pin the Steele Dossier directly on Hillary while conveniently forgetting who started the research in the first place. A Republican. And don’t forget, it was Steele who made the decision and via John McCain got the dossier to the FBI in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 20:36:15 GMT
It mattered enough for you to pin it on Republicans a couple of days ago. Now it doesn't matter when it was only Clinton dealing with the Steele dossier? That makes no rational sense. I didn’t “pin it on” I said it was started by a Republican. There is a difference and it happens to be a fact. Oppostion research is research. Ultimately the research produced the Steele Dossier which ,if the Republican had continued to foot the bill, is what would have been the final product for him, the Republican. If you want to know the time line and why Fusion hired Steele in the first place it’s all in the public transcript from the Congressional Hearings. What trump is trying to do is pin the Steele Dossier directly on Hillary while conveniently forgetting who started the research in the first place. A Republican. And don’t forget, it was Steele who made the decision and via John McCain got the dossier to the FBI in the first place. Pin it, potato pototo. It mattered to you when you thought it was a Republican who started the Steele dossier. Turns out it wasn't. That was on Clinton and now it suddenly doesn't matter. Funny how that works. What trump is trying to do is pin the Steele Dossier directly on Hillary while conveniently forgetting who started the research in the first place. A Republican. Only Clinton was involved in the Steele dossier and the problem with that is Russian collusion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 20:44:11 GMT
I didn’t “pin it on” I said it was started by a Republican. There is a difference and it happens to be a fact. Oppostion research is research. Ultimately the research produced the Steele Dossier which ,if the Republican had continued to foot the bill, is what would have been the final product for him, the Republican. If you want to know the time line and why Fusion hired Steele in the first place it’s all in the public transcript from the Congressional Hearings. What trump is trying to do is pin the Steele Dossier directly on Hillary while conveniently forgetting who started the research in the first place. A Republican. And don’t forget, it was Steele who made the decision and via John McCain got the dossier to the FBI in the first place. Pin it, potato pototo. It mattered to you when you thought it was a Republican who started the Steele dossier. Turns out it wasn't. That was on Clinton and now it suddenly doesn't matter. Funny how that works. What trump is trying to do is pin the Steele Dossier directly on Hillary while conveniently forgetting who started the research in the first place. A Republican. Only Clinton was involved in the Steele dossier and the problem with that is Russian collusion. I see Gia has a kindred spirt in that the entire story doesn’t matter if it should take away from what you chose to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 20:50:35 GMT
Pin it, potato pototo. It mattered to you when you thought it was a Republican who started the Steele dossier. Turns out it wasn't. That was on Clinton and now it suddenly doesn't matter. Funny how that works. Only Clinton was involved in the Steele dossier and the problem with that is Russian collusion. I see Gia has a kindred spirt in that the entire story doesn’t matter if it should take away from what you chose to believe. Oh, I thought that's what you were doing... "It mattered to you when you thought it was a Republican who started the Steele dossier. Turns out it wasn't. That was on Clinton and now it suddenly doesn't matter. Funny how that works." Guess she has a kindred spirit in you too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 21:17:24 GMT
I see Gia has a kindred spirt in that the entire story doesn’t matter if it should take away from what you chose to believe. Oh, I thought that's what you were doing... "It mattered to you when you thought it was a Republican who started the Steele dossier. Turns out it wasn't. That was on Clinton and now it suddenly doesn't matter. Funny how that works." Guess she has a kindred spirit in you too. Your trying to make the Republican research and the Clinton research two different and seperate actions when in fact the Clinton research was a continuation of the Republican research. And the fact that if the Republican had continued, and the Clinton campaign had never been involved, the end result would have still produced the Steele Dossier. You really should read the Fusion Congressional Hearing transcripts.
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