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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 19:37:30 GMT
PolitiFact...
“President @realdonaldtrump said U.S. Steel is opening 8 new steel mills at a fundraiser in Utica, N.Y. yesterday. But the company isn't opening a single one: bit.ly/2O2g1D1”
Apparently trump doesn’t realize the gig is up and people know he is lying about the claim about the new steel mills. But yet he keeps on lying anyway.
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Post by sueg on Aug 14, 2018 19:43:38 GMT
PolitiFact... “President @realdonaldtrump said U.S. Steel is opening 8 new steel mills at a fundraiser in Utica, N.Y. yesterday. But the company isn't opening a single one: bit.ly/2O2g1D1” Apparently trump doesn’t realize the gig is up and people know he is lying about the claim about the new steel mills. But yet he keeps on lying anyway. He doesn't care that we know he is lying. He just can't help it.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 14, 2018 20:08:58 GMT
I also have a hard time understanding the strong supporters who choose to ignore his dishonesty. It happens both ways, all the time. I have a hard time understanding the confusion only being expressed when it happens one way and not expressed when it happens the other way. You’re just gonna blow by being outed with 2 troll IDs?
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Post by katlaw on Aug 14, 2018 20:12:50 GMT
On the other hand, I think he is taking a crap shoot on the verdict because he is prearranged for a pardon. This makes sense. He has already made a plea deal and offered something substantial in return.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 14, 2018 20:22:15 GMT
On the other hand, I think he is taking a crap shoot on the verdict because he is prearranged for a pardon. This makes sense. He has already made a plea deal and offered something substantial in return. Yes, this! I figure he is expecting a full pardon. However, some of the charges are not in the full on pardon arena (state charges).
I also think that if not that, he did not put up a defense for expected appeal. From what I am reading from legal minds, this is normal.
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Post by katlaw on Aug 14, 2018 20:28:11 GMT
Yes, this! I figure he is expecting a full pardon. However, some of the charges are not in the full on pardon arena (state charges). I am not familiar with how the law works, unless you count my hours of watching Law & Order but if he has already arranged a deal then the jury finds him guilty but the judge does the sentencing? So they can prearrange the limit of the sentence? Just guessing. I have never heard of a trial like this where there appears to be no defense.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 14, 2018 20:28:15 GMT
PolitiFact... “President @realdonaldtrump said U.S. Steel is opening 8 new steel mills at a fundraiser in Utica, N.Y. yesterday. But the company isn't opening a single one: bit.ly/2O2g1D1” Apparently trump doesn’t realize the gig is up and people know he is lying about the claim about the new steel mills. But yet he keeps on lying anyway. He doesn't care that we know he is lying. He just can't help it. He's talking and he just can't shut up. and if he's talking, lies to follow.
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 14, 2018 20:41:13 GMT
PolitiFact... “President @realdonaldtrump said U.S. Steel is opening 8 new steel mills at a fundraiser in Utica, N.Y. yesterday. But the company isn't opening a single one: bit.ly/2O2g1D1” Apparently trump doesn’t realize the gig is up and people know he is lying about the claim about the new steel mills. But yet he keeps on lying anyway. He doesn't care that we know he is lying. He just can't help it. And frankly, neither does anyone else.
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Post by sabrinae on Aug 14, 2018 20:42:27 GMT
Yes, this! I figure he is expecting a full pardon. However, some of the charges are not in the full on pardon arena (state charges). I am not familiar with how the law works, unless you count my hours of watching Law & Order but if he has already arranged a deal then the jury finds him guilty but the judge does the sentencing? So they can prearrange the limit of the sentence? Just guessing. I have never heard of a trial like this where there appears to be no defense. It’s not that unusual, especially for these kind of financial crimes for a defendant not to offer an affirmative defense, but rather to poke holes in the prosecution’s case. The defense just needs one juror to see reasonable doubt. The defense will argue in closing that the prosecution did not prove the elements of the offenses beyond a reasonable doubt. They will attack the credibility of witnesses, especially Gates and others who were granted immunity and argue that Gates was the primary bad actor not Manafort.
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Post by 950nancy on Aug 14, 2018 20:45:53 GMT
I also have a hard time understanding the strong supporters who choose to ignore his dishonesty. It happens both ways, all the time. I have a hard time understanding the confusion only being expressed when it happens one way and not expressed when it happens the other way. It always has on some level, but the high level of dishonesty that is so in your face day-to-day simply has never happened before. I think that is what most people I know are reacting to. And then there's all of the actual indictments.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 14, 2018 21:00:35 GMT
It happens both ways, all the time. I have a hard time understanding the confusion only being expressed when it happens one way and not expressed when it happens the other way. You’re just gonna blow by being outed with 2 troll IDs? In her defense, she's willing to blow by much worse from the president.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 14, 2018 21:14:37 GMT
It happens both ways, all the time. I have a hard time understanding the confusion only being expressed when it happens one way and not expressed when it happens the other way. You’re just gonna blow by being outed with 2 troll IDs? I saw iszyscraps. What is the other one?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 14, 2018 21:15:55 GMT
ricky. she posted an answer to a question under the wrong ID- it was VERY noticeable. (I can't remember which thread.)
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Post by hop2 on Aug 14, 2018 22:29:22 GMT
On the other hand, I think he is taking a crap shoot on the verdict because he is prearranged for a pardon. This makes sense. He has already made a plea deal and offered something substantial in return. i think they are not wanting any testimony to damage the person who could pardon him.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 14, 2018 22:34:16 GMT
I also have a hard time understanding the strong supporters who choose to ignore his dishonesty. It happens both ways, all the time. I have a hard time understanding the confusion only being expressed when it happens one way and not expressed when it happens the other way. When did any of this Trump bullshit happen the other way? No President since NIXON has done this and he's worse! Unless you believe all the crap about Hillary and Obama spying or her running a pedophile ring through a pizza shop?
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Post by imsirius on Aug 14, 2018 22:38:26 GMT
No one is perfect. No administration is perfect. Are untruths told by all side, YES! The problem is dt cannot open his mouth without telling lies, one right after another. All well documented. He has only been in office for 19 months. He has out lied presidents/administrations in office for EIGHT year......... Case in point. Excuses are made for those you side with. It happens on both sides and it was outrageous then, before we had Donald Trump to compare and say they aren't as bad as him. Sexually assaulting women is pretty bad and then re-electing Clinton despite that, there's no moral high ground there, despite the posturing and high horsing. Clinton paid for his mistakes. He was impeached for Christ sake! Clinton also left office with a balanced budget, but nobody seems to remember that! He paid for his mistakes...his party disciplined him, people voted to impeach him. Difference is, Trump supporters think Trump is innocent of all things, believes every lie he spews, and the GOP doesn't care that he is breaking laws and tearing the country apart because they are getting benefits and richer.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 14, 2018 22:54:40 GMT
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Post by imsirius on Aug 14, 2018 22:56:24 GMT
Oh, so that makes it A OK, She is a knob. Have to admit, she can spin better than a troll with a spinning wheel!
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Post by imsirius on Aug 14, 2018 23:04:04 GMT
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Post by imsirius on Aug 14, 2018 23:05:15 GMT
I'm usually on the opposite side of Huckabee's opinions but other than that he just rubs me the wrong way. He comes off as a smug know it all (who doesn't) and he tries (too hard) to be funny and clever. It fails. He gives me the creeps. People wonder why his daughter has no values or morals....😳🤪
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Post by artgirl1 on Aug 15, 2018 0:24:05 GMT
love Ted Leiu - he represents the best and true meaning of a public servent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 0:59:00 GMT
Isn't against TOS to have 2 different user names? No. Think of all of the "anonymous" user names that belong to regular peas so they can get advice without revealing who they really are. In her defense, she's willing to blow by much worse from the president. I didn't blow by anything, i gave the facts. I just don't get the group agreement for discarding of facts when it suits your agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 1:00:58 GMT
It happens both ways, all the time. I have a hard time understanding the confusion only being expressed when it happens one way and not expressed when it happens the other way. You’re just gonna blow by being outed with 2 troll IDs? I addressed it. That's the most you'll get on it because nothing I can say will be taken as anything but a troll idea. You've already made up your mind.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 15, 2018 1:26:50 GMT
You’re just gonna blow by being outed with 2 troll IDs? I addressed it. That's the most you'll get on it because nothing I can say will be taken as anything but a troll idea. You've already made up your mind. You didn't. And I did not think of you as a troll. But it's hard to have a discussion with someone posting under two user names on a political thread.
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Post by amom23 on Aug 15, 2018 2:08:25 GMT
You’re just gonna blow by being outed with 2 troll IDs? I addressed it. That's the most you'll get on it because nothing I can say will be taken as anything but a troll idea. You've already made up your mind.
No you did not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 2:36:15 GMT
I addressed it. That's the most you'll get on it because nothing I can say will be taken as anything but a troll idea. You've already made up your mind. You didn't. And I did not think of you as a troll. But it's hard to have a discussion with someone posting under two user names on a political thread. Oh yes, I absolutely did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 2:48:31 GMT
Peter Strzok...
“I've been BLOCKED by the president. He doesn't seem to like my idea of having televised resignation ceremony. #BadgeofHonor”
trump...
“Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch: “The Strzok firing is as much about the Mueller operation as anything else. There would be no Mueller Special Councel to investigate so called collusion but for the machinations of Strzok & his colleagues at the top levels of the FBI. We know this...
guy was corrupt and had anti-Trump animus. Strzok and others at the FBI should be criminally investigated for the way the conducted this investigation. Instead, Mueller is pretending nothing went wrong. He used Strzok, he used the Clinton DNC Dossier...the whole thing....
should be shut down. The Strzok firing shows that the fundamental underpinnings of the investigation were corrupt. It should be shut down by the courts or by honest prosecutors.” Thank you Judicial Watch, I couldn’t have said it better myself!”
Once again trump has shown how much of a coward he is. He lashes out at Strzok, with lies, on twitter and when Strzok responds he blocks him on twitter.
Personally I think Strzok is full of himself but other then expressing his opinions it would appear he shouldn’t have been fired. And it appears he has a sense of humor as well. I like that tweet. Televised resignation ceremony, I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 3:32:45 GMT
If you or a thinking, kind loved one are in Ryan's district:
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