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Post by dewryce on Sept 27, 2018 20:16:00 GMT
Off topic but wanted to mention it while I'm thinking of it. I'm on my way out the door so not watching him. But I wanted to share a thought about the tears, and really am not meaning to be handslappy at all. But in only having the benefit of reading the responses, I think maybe we should be more conscientious in the way we discuss it. If he is crying for any reason other than theater and manipulation, doesn't that have to be okay? This is an emotional trial and if he truly is innocent, I'm sure he'd be emotional. We want men to feel free to show more emotional and be less typically "masculine."
So when we discuss his tears I think it could be beneficial to consistently indicate the reason for our (perfectly valid) issues with his crying, instead of just making blanket statements that he needs to stop crying already and he is pathetic for crying. Include more background info about it being theater, not seeming sincere, something so that the comments and their intent couldn't be easily misconstrued.
Am I making sense?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 27, 2018 20:16:38 GMT
I know this is intensely personal and humiliating, whether he’s guilty or not. I get it. But I would think somebody with this much experience as a lawyer and a judge would be doing a better job, e.g. not interrupting, repeating, and sputtering so much as a witness. I guess I expected somebody who could force himself to be come off as more thoughtful - and less furious - during a hearing like this. Less accusatory.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 27, 2018 20:16:46 GMT
The repubs are going to put this guy on the bench. They are willing to sacrifice the November election and control of congress temporarily for the longer range goal of seating this guy on the SC for life. He will be confirmed...and I hope I am wrong. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if Dems take the senate, can't they impeach the nomination? Well that's a happy thought. I don't know.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 27, 2018 20:17:07 GMT
Somebody on CNN just said they found him to be very credible and believable.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 27, 2018 20:17:59 GMT
I know this is intensely personal and humiliating, whether he’s guilty or not. I get it. But I would think somebody with this much experience as a lawyer and a judge would be doing a better job, e.g. not interrupting, repeating, and sputtering so much as a witness. I guess I expected somebody who could force himself to be come off as more thoughtful - and less furious - during a hearing like this. Less accusatory. ^^^ this. this is why I see the blubbering and outbursts as 'fake' rather than genuine. I don't think anyone is going to be able to get him to answer any of the drinking / blackout / etc. questions truthfully. Without any other witnesses or a REAL investigation, today's hearing is useless.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 27, 2018 20:18:22 GMT
He really just rattled off BS examples from LAST NIGHT as proof that he's being railroaded. he needs to calm the FUCK down. Really? "calm the FUCK down"? I wonder how calm any of us would be if we had to testify before a Senate committee. This isn't easy for Dr. Ford, nor is it easy for Mr. Kavanaugh - BOTH are effectively fighting for their lives and reputations.
I would not be able to be calm in such a situation.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 20:19:02 GMT
He can be impeached...
Commentator on MSNBC just said we have seen his anger, he yelled, so easy to see him as a belligerent drunk...
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Post by thundergal on Sept 27, 2018 20:20:02 GMT
Off topic but wanted to mention it while I'm thinking of it. I'm on my way out the door so not watching him. But I wanted to share a thought about the tears, and really am not meaning to be handslappy at all. But in only having the benefit of reading the responses, I think maybe we should be more conscientious in the way we discuss it. If he is crying for any reason other than theater and manipulation, doesn't that have to be okay? This is an emotional trial and if he truly is innocent, I'm sure he'd be emotional. We want men to feel free to show more emotional and be less typically "masculine." So when we discuss his tears I think it could be beneficial to consistently indicate the reason for our (perfectly valid) issues with his crying, instead of just making blanket statements that he needs to stop crying already and he is pathetic for crying. Include more background info about it being theater, not seeming sincere, something so that the comments and their intent couldn't be easily misconstrued. Am I making sense? Yes, you are. And it occurs to me that he may likely be very emotional thinking of his father. I felt the initial emotion was likely genuine. But it got to be too much. He started crying when talking about one of his buddies. Is that guy dead? (rhetorical) I'm just confused by the excess of tears. And that also in juxtaposition with how utterly calm his wife appears to be.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 27, 2018 20:21:22 GMT
I know this is intensely personal and humiliating, whether he’s guilty or not. I get it. But I would think somebody with this much experience as a lawyer and a judge would be doing a better job, e.g. not interrupting, repeating, and sputtering so much as a witness. I guess I expected somebody who could force himself to be come off as more thoughtful - and less furious - during a hearing like this. Less accusatory. Good point. He should be an exemplary witness. It's not like he's never been in a deposition (or whatever this is called) before.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 27, 2018 20:21:41 GMT
They were just talking on CNN about how he blamed, among others, “the Clintons” in his opening statement. I thought I had heard that, but I dismissed as mishearing because that’s just too blatantly right wingie for a person being considered for his position. Anybody else hear that?
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Post by thundergal on Sept 27, 2018 20:22:35 GMT
He really just rattled off BS examples from LAST NIGHT as proof that he's being railroaded. he needs to calm the FUCK down. Really? "calm the FUCK down"? I wonder how calm any of us would be if we had to testify before a Senate committee. This isn't easy for Dr. Ford, nor is it easy for Mr. Kavanaugh - BOTH are effectively fighting for their lives and reputations.
I would not be able to be calm in such a situation.
When I typed that he was yelling. Yes. He needs to compose himself and not yell over the Democrats of the committee. They have every right to be asking him questions and he needs to at least attempt to contain his complete disdain for them. He was coming off as completely combative. I stand by what I said. He looked like he was losing control of himself.
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Post by Montannie on Sept 27, 2018 20:22:39 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 27, 2018 20:23:11 GMT
ABC is talking to one of his friends / colleagues (not sure who) and she mentioned that the first thing Christine Ford did was call the Washington Post tipline, so that makes it suspicious about her motives. She didn't know what to do or where to go with her information!! And she did that tipline thing anonymously!!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 27, 2018 20:23:44 GMT
Off topic but wanted to mention it while I'm thinking of it. I'm on my way out the door so not watching him. But I wanted to share a thought about the tears, and really am not meaning to be handslappy at all. But in only having the benefit of reading the responses, I think maybe we should be more conscientious in the way we discuss it. If he is crying for any reason other than theater and manipulation, doesn't that have to be okay? This is an emotional trial and if he truly is innocent, I'm sure he'd be emotional. We want men to feel free to show more emotional and be less typically "masculine." So when we discuss his tears I think it could be beneficial to consistently indicate the reason for our (perfectly valid) issues with his crying, instead of just making blanket statements that he needs to stop crying already and he is pathetic for crying. Include more background info about it being theater, not seeming sincere, something so that the comments and their intent couldn't be easily misconstrued. Am I making sense? Yes. Sense you make. ~Yoda (I have no problem with the tears and thought they were genuine. It was other behavior that bugged me.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 20:24:43 GMT
So when we discuss his tears I think it could be beneficial to consistently indicate the reason for our (perfectly valid) issues with his crying, instead of just making blanket statements that he needs to stop crying already and he is pathetic for crying. Include more background info about it being theater, not seeming sincere, something so that the comments and their intent couldn't be easily misconstrued. Point taken, but he is used to speaking in public... After his initial statement he should be able to compose himself. He might get upset at different times, but not to sniffle through the whole thing. Nicole Wallace who worked with him in the Bush WH said she is amazed at how much he continued to talk about the beer...Why was it so important?. Something there..?
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Post by hop2 on Sept 27, 2018 20:25:38 GMT
They were just talking on CNN about how he blamed, among others, “the Clintons” in his opening statement. I thought I had heard that, but I dismissed as mishearing because that’s just too blatantly right wingie for a person being considered for his position. Anybody else hear that? He left out ‘emails’ & ‘Benghazi’ though
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 27, 2018 20:26:43 GMT
I know this is intensely personal and humiliating, whether he’s guilty or not. I get it. But I would think somebody with this much experience as a lawyer and a judge would be doing a better job, e.g. not interrupting, repeating, and sputtering so much as a witness. I guess I expected somebody who could force himself to be come off as more thoughtful - and less furious - during a hearing like this. Less accusatory. Yes, but as a judge, he's the authority. He can interrupt lawyers all he wants, without repercussions. And he can go on and on, without repercussions.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 20:27:08 GMT
Good point. He should be an exemplary witness Remember doctors make the worst patient!
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 27, 2018 20:27:20 GMT
Is it over? If it is over can anyone give me a synopsis of how it went? We’re they making a decision on anything today or does that come later? I’ve been gone all day, and quite frankly I don’t want to read pages and pages describing how they tore into this woman and the things she had to describe happening to her. I’m sorry, I can’t take reading anymore of it. It’s too much for me and makes me think of my own history and I don’t want to think about it anymore. Thanks. The witness came across as credible, cooperative and impactful. She started out by saying she was terrified; her more explicit testimony was sometimes tinged with emotion. Republicans used a female prosecutor who asked questions to get at inconsistencies or partisan influence. But she was careful and respectful. Democrats had five minutes each for questions combined with pontificating. We don’t yet know whether the vote will proceed tomorrow. Thank you so much for this!!!
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Post by 16joy on Sept 27, 2018 20:27:32 GMT
I suspect his wife may be the tough as steel type and he is the softy
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Post by karinec on Sept 27, 2018 20:29:10 GMT
This is going to degrade into "he said, she said"...the only way to get past that is to call witnesses, which isn't happening as far as I can tell. Our government in action - or lack thereof.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 27, 2018 20:30:38 GMT
tantrum
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 27, 2018 20:31:16 GMT
from the article about his calendar:
"One classmate of Kavanaugh’s in the Georgetown Prep Class of 1983 said the calendar also details just how much time and attention was spent on heavy drinking, from the estates of suburban Washington to the beaches of the Maryland shore. The classmate said he saw Kavanaugh repeatedly during Beach Week. Whenever they met, the man said, Kavanaugh was drinking. But then again, so was everyone else.
“You didn’t show up without a six-pack or a keg,” said the classmate, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect his business and professional relationships within the Georgetown Prep community. “You consumed whatever was available, six-packs, kegs, gin, grain alcohol, you name it. You drank when you got up at 10 a.m. and you were drinking when you collapsed at 2 or 3 a.m.”
At one point, the classmate said, someone from Kavanaugh’s group heaved a keg from a landing of a high-rise for kicks.
Back home from the beach, there was, apparently, more drinking in July.
The first day of the month, Kavanaugh scribbled a plan to “go to Timmy’s for skis” with several football teammates. Skis was shorthand for “brew-skis,” the classmate recalled."
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wow, now he's interrupting Senator Leahy... he is really not comporting himself very professionally during this hearing, at all. Senator Leahy is doing a good job at trying to get him to answer the question he's been ASKED.
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 27, 2018 20:31:40 GMT
He still won't directly answer questions!
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 27, 2018 20:31:49 GMT
Off topic but wanted to mention it while I'm thinking of it. I'm on my way out the door so not watching him. But I wanted to share a thought about the tears, and really am not meaning to be handslappy at all. But in only having the benefit of reading the responses, I think maybe we should be more conscientious in the way we discuss it. If he is crying for any reason other than theater and manipulation, doesn't that have to be okay? This is an emotional trial and if he truly is innocent, I'm sure he'd be emotional. We want men to feel free to show more emotional and be less typically "masculine." So when we discuss his tears I think it could be beneficial to consistently indicate the reason for our (perfectly valid) issues with his crying, instead of just making blanket statements that he needs to stop crying already and he is pathetic for crying. Include more background info about it being theater, not seeming sincere, something so that the comments and their intent couldn't be easily misconstrued. Am I making sense? Yes. Sense you make. ~Yoda (I have no problem with the tears and thought they were genuine. It was other behavior that bugged me.) In fairness I missed part of his opening statement, but the only time I felt emotion and true compassion was when he choked up talking about his daughter. Who's 10. Who wanted to pray for Dr. Ford.
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Post by thundergal on Sept 27, 2018 20:32:01 GMT
His belligerence is stunning.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 27, 2018 20:32:07 GMT
throwing Mark Judge under the bus
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Post by papersilly on Sept 27, 2018 20:32:56 GMT
Senator, let me tell you about high school.....
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 27, 2018 20:33:18 GMT
"Senator, let me take a step back and explain high school."
it's REALLY bothering me that he keeps interrupting and is SO very belligerent. He is the witness here.
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 27, 2018 20:33:20 GMT
I admit that Kavanaugh was not my choice for SCOTUS, but more for his flagrant political bias, which I do not feel would make him a fair, impartial judge.
And I certainly did not want to see his life destroyed. It is not unreasonable to believe that he has turned his life around. And that when removed from the peer influences of his high school friends, which may have encouraged him to behave in a way that was not acceptable, that his behavior since the event has been exceptional. But, when facing a lifetime appointment to one of the most important jobs that affects millions of American, then character counts.
When watching him during this Hearing, I am not surprise that he has no history of any trial work. He is extremely aggressive and defensive at any question, and really pissed. It's all the Democrats fault.
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