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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 27, 2018 22:08:29 GMT
I guess Mitchell's out, huh? Why are the Repubs not addressing the alleged assault? Why are they going on and on about how bad the Dems are? Ask questions about the assault, for heaven's sake. That's what this hearing is about! Just more posturing and aggrandizing.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 27, 2018 22:08:33 GMT
Wow, Kavanaugh hates Blumenthal. Blumenthal wanted clarification on why the boys wrote Renata “Alumni” on the yearbook, with "Alumni" implying sexual conquest. Instead of answering, Kavanaugh says, “You’re dragging her through the mud. It’s just unnecessary.” Uh-uh. That’s what Renata says – her impression is clearly exactly what Blumenthal is saying. Blumenthal isn’t inventing this out of whole cloth. This was also a missed opportunity on the part of the senator. “Why are you saying this about her?” “Because you said it first!”
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Post by Zee on Sept 27, 2018 22:09:08 GMT
What would you sound like if you were accused of something so heinous and had to defend yourself against it? I would be calm, respectful, answer directly & clearly, and not say anything or behave in such a way that might make my credibility questionable. Exactly. He sounds like a whiny bitch, not a Supreme Court nominee. I can't believe what I'm hearing. And the way they're trying to say they believe her, but not really, because Democrats...I can't.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 27, 2018 22:09:57 GMT
Blumenthal wanted clarification on why the boys wrote Renata “Alumni” on the yearbook, with "Alumni" implying sexual conquest. Instead of answering, Kavanaugh says, “You’re dragging her through the mud. It’s just unnecessary.” Uh-uh. That’s what Renata says – her impression is clearly exactly what Blumenthal is saying. Blumenthal isn’t inventing this out of whole cloth. Exactly. If it was something they did to 'honor' her because she was such a great friend, then why would she be so upset and hurt after finding out about the yearbook mentions a few days ago? Why would she withdraw her name from the letter of support she had signed earlier?
It means exactly what Blumenthal said - they all had sexual contact with her.
Truth, sister!
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 27, 2018 22:10:19 GMT
What would you sound like if you were accused of something so heinous and had to defend yourself against it? I would be calm, respectful, answer directly & clearly, and not say anything or behave in such a way that might make my credibility questionable. That would be an amazing feat.
Kavanaugh has been accused of actual criminal things - gang rape being one of them. I think it would be far more questionable for him to NOT aggressively defend himself, if he is innocent. To sit detached and cool answering calmly would, to me, make him disingenuous, as though such things didn't matter to him.
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Post by Zee on Sept 27, 2018 22:10:33 GMT
Nice skirting around the yearbook thing. I don't think that's necessarily of great importance in this, but what IS important is the way he's denying and deflecting his own words. What a slime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 22:12:48 GMT
I just read that it was Alyssa Milano that was asked to stop taking photos and videos by security. I saw a pea asked that up thread.
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Post by huskergal on Sept 27, 2018 22:12:55 GMT
I just caught a few clips. The woman was calm and rationale. The not-guilty, wanna be Supreme Court Justice was overly emotional and out-of-control. If he can't contain himself at a hearing, I don't think he has the disposition to be a Supreme Court Justice.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 27, 2018 22:13:07 GMT
Blumenthal wanted clarification on why the boys wrote Renata “Alumni” on the yearbook, with "Alumni" implying sexual conquest. Instead of answering, Kavanaugh says, “You’re dragging her through the mud. It’s just unnecessary.” Uh-uh. That’s what Renata says – her impression is clearly exactly what Blumenthal is saying. Blumenthal isn’t inventing this out of whole cloth. This was also a missed opportunity on the part of the senator. “Why are you saying this about her?” “Because you said it first!” Cannot get a straight answer out of him. Total reason why I didn’t want him in the first place—he dicked around and would not answer. This is all a grand performance by the Republicans and Kavanaugh—they set it up to make it appear that poor widdle Brett is up against the evil big bad government, namely the Democratic Senators. The GOP and White House have given him permission to do what he’s doing so that it sets the stage for their base— I hope any/all of the women file charges with law enforcement.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 27, 2018 22:13:33 GMT
I would be calm, respectful, answer directly & clearly, and not say anything or behave in such a way that might make my credibility questionable. That would be an amazing feat.
Kavanaugh has been accused of actual criminal things - gang rape being one of them. I think it would be far more questionable for him to NOT aggressively defend himself, if he is innocent. To sit detached and cool answering calmly would, to me, make him disingenuous, as though such things didn't matter to him.
I didn’t say I wouldn’t be emotional or in distress. But I would certainly be respectful and not belligerent.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 27, 2018 22:14:58 GMT
Exactly. If it was something they did to 'honor' her because she was such a great friend, then why would she be so upset and hurt after finding out about the yearbook mentions a few days ago? Why would she withdraw her name from the letter of support she had signed earlier?
It means exactly what Blumenthal said - they all had sexual contact with her.
I would think if THAT many boys chose to honor their appreciation of their good friend with the same yearbook notation, at least one of them would have shown it to her or at least told her about it.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 27, 2018 22:15:17 GMT
I've got a question (maybe I missed the answer earlier in the thread?): Didn't Feinstein hold onto Dr. Ford's letter until the confirmation hearings were over and a vote was scheduled? Why would she do that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 22:16:55 GMT
I certainly think Democrats holding onto the info is a problem BUT that has NOTHING to do with getting AT THE FACTS of what happened between Ford and Brett!
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 27, 2018 22:19:14 GMT
I certainly think Democrats holding onto the info is a problem BUT that has NOTHING to do with getting AT THE FACTS of what happened between Ford and Brett! Well, the Democrats have been hollering "FBI INVESTIGATION", why didn't Feinstein turn it over when she got it? The FBI could have stepped in and done it's investigation immediately...but no. Feinstein held it back. She's had the letter since July 30th!!! (Source CNN)
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Post by janeliz on Sept 27, 2018 22:20:12 GMT
I've got a question (maybe I missed the answer earlier in the thread?): Didn't Feinstein hold onto Dr. Ford's letter until the confirmation hearings were over and a vote was scheduled? Why would she do that? Dr. Ford asked her to keep it confidential until Dr. Ford was ready to come forward. ETA: and I believe Dr. Ford thanked her today for that confidentiality.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 27, 2018 22:22:04 GMT
It's clear the GOP play now is not to throw blame directly at Dr. Ford (though they make it clear they don't believe her), but to throw all the blame at Democrats. The GOP Senators are showing a lack of composure. I just started listening again... but had a thought- so how is this going to end up? They don't believe Dr. Ford's testimony that she was assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh, so... what, then? she was assaulted, just not by him? someone else, then? And it's all just not their problem, then? "the other witnesses said it didn't happen, so that's what I said..." "all the witnesses who were there said it didn't happen..." "Sir, just answer my question-- yes, or no." I love Corey Booker!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 22:23:24 GMT
It's clear the GOP play now is not to throw blame directly at Dr. Ford (though they make it clear they don't believe her), but to throw all the blame at Democrats. The GOP Senators are showing a lack of composure. I just started listening again... but had a thought- so how is this going to end up? They don't believe Dr. Ford's testimony that she was assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh, so... what, then? she was assaulted, just not by him? someone else, then? And it's all just not their problem, then? Right.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 27, 2018 22:23:48 GMT
I've got a question (maybe I missed the answer earlier in the thread?): Didn't Feinstein hold onto Dr. Ford's letter until the confirmation hearings were over and a vote was scheduled? Why would she do that? Dr. Ford asked her to keep it confidential until Dr. Ford was ready to come forward. ETA: and I believe Dr. Ford thanked her today for that confidentiality. And Senator Feinstein is compelled to keep communication confidential if requested, right?
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Post by janeliz on Sept 27, 2018 22:24:53 GMT
It's clear the GOP play now is not to throw blame directly at Dr. Ford (though they make it clear they don't believe her), but to throw all the blame at Democrats. The GOP Senators are showing a lack of composure. I just started listening again... but had a thought- so how is this going to end up? They don't believe Dr. Ford's testimony that she was assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh, so... what, then? she was assaulted, just not by him? someone else, then? And it's all just not their problem, then? Brett Kavanaugh is going to be our next Supreme Court Justice. They’ll pivot a bit in their tone and act like they pity Dr. Ford, someone will probably say she’s a victim of those dastardly Dems, and then they’ll usher that little prick onto the highest court in the land.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 22:25:46 GMT
And Senator Feinstein is compelled to keep communication confidential if requested, right? Yes. Confidentially was requested by her constituent(sp).
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 27, 2018 22:26:02 GMT
I certainly think Democrats holding onto the info is a problem BUT that has NOTHING to do with getting AT THE FACTS of what happened between Ford and Brett! Well, the Democrats have been hollering "FBI INVESTIGATION", why didn't Feinstein turn it over when she got it? The FBI could have stepped in and done it's investigation immediately...but no. Feinstein held it back. She's had the letter since July 30th!!! (Source CNN)Feinstein gave it to the FBI for a possible “criminal investigation.” The FBI investigation Dems are asking for is a reopening of the background check because of new derogatory information. Two different things. As I explained earlier, no senator has legal authority to order a reopening of a background check for exculpatory evidence. Only the president can do that.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 27, 2018 22:27:01 GMT
Dr. Ford asked her to keep it confidential until Dr. Ford was ready to come forward. ETA: and I believe Dr. Ford thanked her today for that confidentiality. And Senator Feinstein is compelled to keep communication confidential if requested, right? Interesting how the letter leaked to the press anyway forcing it's eventual official release.
Feinstein gave it to the FBI for a possible “criminal investigation.” Yeah...the Wednesday before the report was published (Sept 12).
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 27, 2018 22:27:02 GMT
Exactly. If it was something they did to 'honor' her because she was such a great friend, then why would she be so upset and hurt after finding out about the yearbook mentions a few days ago? Why would she withdraw her name from the letter of support she had signed earlier?
It means exactly what Blumenthal said - they all had sexual contact with her.
I would think if THAT many boys chose to honor their appreciation of their good friend with the same yearbook notation, at least one of them would have shown it to her or at least told her about it. DING DING DING!
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Post by jayfab on Sept 27, 2018 22:27:03 GMT
I would be calm, respectful, answer directly & clearly, and not say anything or behave in such a way that might make my credibility questionable. In addition, I would take pains to avoid any hint of partisan-fueled bitterness. Instead, he made outright accusations and then responded to the Democratic members with contempt, even baiting them. He is most definitely Donald Trump’s nominee. Same m.o. I do not trust him as a SC justice. 100%
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 27, 2018 22:29:15 GMT
I would be calm, respectful, answer directly & clearly, and not say anything or behave in such a way that might make my credibility questionable. As a lawyer, he should know this. You answer the question, and not embellish and open your answer up for other questions. How many times do we have to hear about the 'glory days'?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 27, 2018 22:29:24 GMT
"Feinstein waited until late last week to provide the letter to the FBI -- only after a news report surfaced detailing the existence of the letter. Feinstein, aides said, wanted to protect the identity of the accuser, Christine Blasey Ford. An attorney for Ford said she did not want to subject herself to the "very brutal" confirmation process -- but agreed to do so and reveal herself publicly to The Washington Post after the report surfaced.That initial report, in the Intercept, caught committee Democrats by surprise, who had been kept in the dark about the letter Feinstein received July 30, according to several Democratic sources. In what sources describe as a tense meeting last Wednesday night after the report was published, Democrats on the committee were given a copy of the letter and they urged Feinstein to take the matter to the FBI."(from the CNN article linked above)So does this mean the FBI is actually DOING an investigation into the charges? or not?ETA: nevermind. I see it's already been answered. Thank you to lizacreates for explaining the difference between that investigation and the one the Dems are asking for. And it's really annoying me that those 3 witnesses' statements saying 'I don't have any recollection' is being held up to mean 'it didn't happen' because they are NOT the same thing, at all.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 27, 2018 22:29:41 GMT
Brett Kavanaugh is going to be our next Supreme Court Justice. They’ll pivot a bit in their tone and act like they pity Dr. Ford, someone will probably say she’s a victim of those dastardly Dems, and then they’ll usher that little prick onto the highest court in the land. At which point the SCOTUS will have lost much of its credibility and legitimacy in the eyes of many Americans. If the members of the court aren't above reproach and aren't known to be moral leaders, why on earth would anyone care what their opinion is?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 27, 2018 22:31:22 GMT
And Senator Feinstein is compelled to keep communication confidential if requested, right? Interesting how the letter leaked to the press anyway forcing it's eventual official release. It is interesting, but we don’t know who leaked it. We do know that Senator Feinstein was constrained by confidentiality, so I don’t get the continual blame for “sitting on it.” Ted Cruz right now is saying she could have let the committee know and they would have investigated it and preserved anonymity. I’d be interested to hear how they would have pulled off an investigation like that.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 27, 2018 22:35:00 GMT
Interesting how the letter leaked to the press anyway forcing it's eventual official release. It is interesting, but we don’t know who leaked it. We do know that Senator Feinstein was constrained by confidentiality, so I don’t get the continual blame for “sitting on it.” Ted Cruz right now is saying she could have let the committee know and they would have investigated it and preserved anonymity. I’d be interested to hear how they would have pulled off an investigation like that. Indeed, especially given how the Comey memo was handled (or mishandled).
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 27, 2018 22:37:01 GMT
Senator Harris- yes!!
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