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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 27, 2018 22:38:43 GMT
Fine Feinstein was able to address the character assasination she has been subject to all afternoon.
And when Dr. Ford spoke this morning, stating that she discussed it with friends, I suspected that one of her friends leaked the letter.
Kamala is specifically asking Kavanaugh for a FBI investigation, still not answering. If nothing else, this makes me think he is guilty.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 22:40:05 GMT
Tes Cruz right now is saying she could have let the committee know and they would have investigated it and preserved her anonymity. I’d be interested to hear how they would have pulled that off. Right. How would they investigate? Hi, we're looking in to Judge Kavanaugh do you know if he had sex with .....? Will you sign a statement? Oh, right I can't use your name..... hummmmmmm........ ut I do know your name.............. humm, I wil talk to the judge, oh he will then start making phone calls to see who is talking about hm!! I still say as soon as it came out, same day, Kavanaugh KNEW who it was. That is what motivated Ed Welan to do what he did, naming another person! HOw else did the press get to her door!?!?!?!?
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Post by janeliz on Sept 27, 2018 22:41:02 GMT
Interesting how the letter leaked to the press anyway forcing it's eventual official release. It is interesting, but we don’t know who leaked it. We do know that Senator Feinstein was constrained by confidentiality, so I don’t get the continual blame for “sitting on it.” Ted Cruz right now is saying she could have let the committee know and they would have investigated it and preserved anonymity. I’d be interested to hear how they would have pulled off an investigation like that. I agree. The Republicans are throwing a giant tantrum because this wasn’t the cakewalk they thought it would be and since they’re at least wise enough to know that can’t be too aggressive with Dr. Ford they’re taking their anger out on Senator Feinstein. Each and every one of them has made it crystal clear that they believe Kavanaugh is the real victim here. There is no way they would have respected Dr. Ford’s anonymity.
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Post by karinec on Sept 27, 2018 22:41:34 GMT
Interesting how the letter leaked to the press anyway forcing it's eventual official release. It is interesting, but we don’t know who leaked it. We do know that Senator Feinstein was constrained by confidentiality, so I don’t get the continual blame for “sitting on it.” Ted Cruz right now is saying she could have let the committee know and they would have investigated it and preserved anonymity. I’d be interested to hear how they would have pulled off an investigation like that. Right...it's confidential, except I told the government about it...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 22:42:16 GMT
And Senator Feinstein is compelled to keep communication confidential if requested, right? Interesting how the letter leaked to the press anyway forcing it's eventual official release.
Feinstein gave it to the FBI for a possible “criminal investigation.” Yeah...the Wednesday before the report was published (Sept 12).
Who was the guy that contacted her LinkedIn page before she contacted the press? And who did he work for? And how did he get her name?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 22:44:55 GMT
Who was the guy that contacted her LinkedIn page before she contacted the press? Ed Whelan! Kavanaugh KNEW by the info available and probably told him................!!
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 27, 2018 22:47:04 GMT
I just started listening again... but had a thought- so how is this going to end up? They don't believe Dr. Ford's testimony that she was assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh, so... what, then? she was assaulted, just not by him? someone else, then? And it's all just not their problem, then? Brett Kavanaugh is going to be our next Supreme Court Justice. They’ll pivot a bit in their tone and act like they pity Dr. Ford, someone will probably say she’s a victim of those dastardly Dems, and then they’ll usher that little prick onto the highest court in the land. Yep
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Post by denda on Sept 27, 2018 22:47:33 GMT
He sounds like he's trying just a smidgen too hard. She was so well-spoken, emotional but strong and real. His poor-me is not coming across as authentic IMHO. I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts.
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Post by Just T on Sept 27, 2018 22:47:35 GMT
I missed some of Kavanaugh's testimony today, but from what I have seen, and what I see the Republican senators saying to him, I have no doubt he is going to be appointed anyway. It's disgusting. He doesn't answer questions asked of him. He hasn't taken a polygraph. He won't say the FBI should investigate. He won't say his friend should be there to testify.
But his cronies are making it quite clear he is being mistreated and should be on the court.
Sad day for our country. And I'm not even shocked, really.
It's been a hard day for me. People I work with are very much on the side of Kavanaugh, and the stuff I had to listen to today...I am thankful I am off on Fridays.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 22:48:06 GMT
Please forgive me for being politically incorrect.............. Sen Kennedy had Kavanaugh swear to God that he did not do it!
Good Catholic boy will go to confession Saturday and all will be well.................
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Post by denda on Sept 27, 2018 22:49:08 GMT
This guy is pathetic. Stop the damn tears. Wow! She can get emotional but he can’t?
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 27, 2018 22:49:21 GMT
Whew! I need a beer.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 27, 2018 22:52:10 GMT
I sure would like to hear Mitchel's take on the whole things...... She IS the expert! She'll have fun writing a book in the future.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 27, 2018 22:52:35 GMT
He sounds like he's trying just a smidgen too hard. She was so well-spoken, emotional but strong and real. His poor-me is not coming across as authentic IMHO. I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts. I am neither democrat nor republican. I like to say I’m apolitical. I am human, and I base my opinions of people & situations on how they present themselves. I also don’t trust politicians and have always been very open about that.
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Post by uksue on Sept 27, 2018 22:58:00 GMT
In all my 58 yrs, I've never known politics to be the cess-pit it is now. I'm sick to death of my own country's politics, the handling of Brexit etc, but I just feel like I want t to wash my hands every time I listen to American politics now. America IS a great country and you deserve so much better than the circus you have at the moment .
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Post by MichyM on Sept 27, 2018 22:58:14 GMT
All in all, I think what someone did in high school should not be a disqualifier (is that a word?). People grow and change, but if that early info is available it should be brought forth. However, the way he has handled himself and this accusation is very telling. He is not even close to the temperament needed to be a SCJ. He doesn't have control of his temper and he is not interested in getting to the truth, just getting the appointment. I agree in the general sense that things done as a teen shouldn't automatically be a disqualifier. Drank too much? Smoked weed? Shoplifted? Cheated on a math test? Yeah, he'd get a pass. However, sexual assault? For me, that wouldn't get a pass...even all these years later.
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Post by carhoch on Sept 27, 2018 22:58:49 GMT
I think it’s very telling that all the GOP senator have apologize to judge Cavanagh for what he has been through and none of them have apologize to Dr Ford . If they elect him I think that will be a price to pay for them in November.
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 27, 2018 22:59:32 GMT
He sounds like he's trying just a smidgen too hard. She was so well-spoken, emotional but strong and real. His poor-me is not coming across as authentic IMHO. I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts. What do you think about his refusal to answer questions and his dishonesty about what comments in his yearbook mean? He refused to answer many questions from democratic Senators. He also refused to acknowledge the clear meaning of several of the yearbook comments about drinking and sexual activity. Claiming to be an alumni of a girl clearly does not mean you were good friends. It clearly has a sexual meaning
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Post by PLurker on Sept 27, 2018 23:00:14 GMT
if I had to choose a side to totally believe, I'd choose her.
But, as Flake said, after this there will be doubt.
It's not a trial where "beyond a reasonable doubt" applies.
Doubt. There is some and I don't think that is what we need on the SCOTUS.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 27, 2018 23:00:42 GMT
This is going to degrade into "he said, she said"...the only way to get past that is to call witnesses, which isn't happening as far as I can tell. Our government in action - or lack thereof. Yes, without benefit of an investigation and witnesses this was always going to be a "he said, she said" exercise. Just another reason I think this was to done to make it appear like they took the allegations seriously, not to actually get to the truth using all means available to them.
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Post by andreasmom on Sept 27, 2018 23:00:58 GMT
All in all, I think what someone did in high school should not be a disqualifier (is that a word?). People grow and change, but if that early info is available it should be brought forth. However, the way he has handled himself and this accusation is very telling. He is not even close to the temperament needed to be a SCJ. He doesn't have control of his temper and he is not interested in getting to the truth, just getting the appointment. I agree in the general sense that things done as a teen shouldn't automatically be a disqualifier. Drank too much? Smoked weed? Shoplifter? Cheated on a math test? Yeah, he'd get a pass. However, sexual assault? For me, that wouldn't get a pass...even all these years later. But if true, it’s not what happened in the past, it is that he lied under oath repeatedly. That is the issue.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 27, 2018 23:04:21 GMT
I agree in the general sense that things done as a teen shouldn't automatically be a disqualifier. Drank too much? Smoked weed? Shoplifter? Cheated on a math test? Yeah, he'd get a pass. However, sexual assault? For me, that wouldn't get a pass...even all these years later. But if true, it’s not what happened in the past, it is that he lied under oath repeatedly. That is the issue. Agree in that is another issue. (both are issues) <<huge ones in my book.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 27, 2018 23:05:12 GMT
He hasn't taken a polygraph. Just a note about polygraph tests...
And also...
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Post by denda on Sept 27, 2018 23:05:28 GMT
I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts. What do you think about his refusal to answer questions and his dishonesty about what comments in his yearbook mean? He refused to answer many questions from democratic Senators. He also refused to acknowledge the clear meaning of several of the yearbook comments about drinking and sexual activity. Claiming to be an alumni of a girl clearly does not mean you were good friends. It clearly has a sexual meaning I don't have a clue what any of those things mean. And, no, I don't like when people will not answer a question.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 27, 2018 23:06:33 GMT
All in all, I think what someone did in high school should not be a disqualifier (is that a word?). People grow and change, but if that early info is available it should be brought forth. However, the way he has handled himself and this accusation is very telling. He is not even close to the temperament needed to be a SCJ. He doesn't have control of his temper and he is not interested in getting to the truth, just getting the appointment. I agree in the general sense that things done as a teen shouldn't automatically be a disqualifier. Drank too much? Smoked weed? Shoplifter? Cheated on a math test? Yeah, he'd get a pass. However, sexual assault? For me, that wouldn't get a pass...even all these years later. I agree! This wasn't some stupid HS prank. We all did stupid things when we were in HS and none of that should overshadow whatever good we've achieved thereafter. But that's not the point. The point is this was sexual assault, a despicable act that was never acknowledged, never apologized for, never shown remorse for.
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 27, 2018 23:06:35 GMT
So does it impact your view of his credibility
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 27, 2018 23:06:56 GMT
I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts. What do you think about his refusal to answer questions and his dishonesty about what comments in his yearbook mean? He refused to answer many questions from democratic Senators. He also refused to acknowledge the clear meaning of several of the yearbook comments about drinking and sexual activity. Claiming to be an alumni of a girl clearly does not mean you were good friends. It clearly has a sexual meaning thank you for saying that! It completely astonishes me that people can support him, knowing that he has lied (prior to this), refuses to answer the questions now, did not answer questions (asked by the Democratic Senators) in his hearings last week, has questionable payment of debt, and has refused to turn over the paperwork being requested.
And then to say "if you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him". It is madness, that conservatives/repubs, knowing all this refusal are more than happy to give him a pass and say you poor man, you've been through so much.
it is truly unbelievable the levels that repubs are going to with lying, cheating the system, lying some more, and obstruct the process.
unfuckingbelievable.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 27, 2018 23:09:09 GMT
What do you think about his refusal to answer questions and his dishonesty about what comments in his yearbook mean? He refused to answer many questions from democratic Senators. He also refused to acknowledge the clear meaning of several of the yearbook comments about drinking and sexual activity. Claiming to be an alumni of a girl clearly does not mean you were good friends. It clearly has a sexual meaning I don't have a clue what any of those things mean. And, no, I don't like when people will not answer a question. And this answer in itself is troubling. "Not having a clue" yet making the definitive statement that he comes across as credible.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 27, 2018 23:10:06 GMT
All politics aside, if she presses charges in Maryland... If he is found guilty, will you still feel sorry for him? Honest question here. If she files charges, regardless of the outcome, I will still feel sorry for both of them just in a different way. Sincere question, I'm not attacking you or your beliefs, just trying to understand. If he is guilty, why would you feel sorry for him?
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 27, 2018 23:11:23 GMT
What do you think about his refusal to answer questions and his dishonesty about what comments in his yearbook mean? He refused to answer many questions from democratic Senators. He also refused to acknowledge the clear meaning of several of the yearbook comments about drinking and sexual activity. Claiming to be an alumni of a girl clearly does not mean you were good friends. It clearly has a sexual meaning I don't have a clue what any of those things mean. And, no, I don't like when people will not answer a question. Maybe you should read up on all that information before saying you believe him.
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