Rhondito
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 28, 2018 0:06:16 GMT
Nope. Kavanaugh is mistaken. Judge did submit a statement but it was not signed by him. It was signed by his lawyer. Can you explain why it matters that he didn't sign it in technical/legal terms? I see the big red flag, but don't understand the legal implications. Because they swore it was truth under penalty of a felony. By Judge not signing the statement himself, he can't be held accountable for what it says; his name isn't on the document - it's worthless.
ETA - Sorry, I didn't see the others had already answered
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Sept 28, 2018 0:06:25 GMT
I keep wondering what is going to happen with the other allegations against Kavanaugh. Will there be another hearing? Are those allegations going to be ignored?
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Post by MichyM on Sept 28, 2018 0:06:35 GMT
I know someone got reprimanded upthread here or on another thread for bringing up age of the senators but I found myself (no spring chicken) saying out loud to myself today, "we need to get those old people out". and then I checked myself for being ageist. Then I realized it wasn't the age as much as the out.of.touch. Some of them have been there so long with little reaching out to or experiencing the current "real world" that they are stuck in a rut (or time warp) resistant to any change. Cuz I've witnessed some hip and in-the-know old people that have some really good ideas. They are out there experiencing things and listening to (gasp!) young people even! Some of those in congress aren't. Stuck in the year of their election maybe? ETA all the young'uns 'round here are primed and ready to vote. RIGHT?!? Term limits would benefit us all, and far outweigh any negatives IMO.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 0:08:02 GMT
Can you explain why it matters that he didn't sign it in technical/legal terms? I see the big red flag, but don't understand the legal implications. Simply because it's not a sworn statement or a sworn declaration. If Judge did not sign it, it has no validity in any court of law. If that document is presented as proof, it will be invalidated as hearsay. Thanks! To me, that's a very important distinction and not at all the impression Kavanaugh et. al have been trying to give when discussing it. Was this brought up during the hearing?
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Post by annaintx on Sept 28, 2018 0:08:40 GMT
He sounds like he's trying just a smidgen too hard. She was so well-spoken, emotional but strong and real. His poor-me is not coming across as authentic IMHO. I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts. And this is why the FBI needs to look into this further.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 28, 2018 0:08:44 GMT
I think it’s very telling that all the GOP senator have apologize to judge Cavanagh for what he has been through and none of them have apologize to Dr Ford . If they elect him I think that will be a price to pay for them in November.I can't help but feeling this way too. The 42% of women who voted for Trump who have also been assaulted might have an issue with this. It isn't like there aren't plenty of other qualified women or men who could fill this seat who haven't had the issues this man has had. I know why they want to push him through, but it could very well be to the detriment of the party.
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Post by denda on Sept 28, 2018 0:09:59 GMT
I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts. And this is why the FBI needs to look into this further. I think they should too.
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 28, 2018 0:10:56 GMT
I keep wondering what is going to happen with the other allegations against Kavanaugh. Will there be another hearing? Are those allegations going to be ignored? I think as far has the confirmation hearings go they'll be ignored. The women could bring criminal charges against him if they want to though...
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Post by annaintx on Sept 28, 2018 0:12:25 GMT
It is interesting, but we don’t know who leaked it. We do know that Senator Feinstein was constrained by confidentiality, so I don’t get the continual blame for “sitting on it.” Ted Cruz right now is saying she could have let the committee know and they would have investigated it and preserved anonymity. I’d be interested to hear how they would have pulled off an investigation like that. I'd like to understand exactly who Feinstein was required to keep the information from. Cruz is saying she could have let the committee know, but could she? And why would the committee be in charge of the investigation and not the FBI? Also, as a Texan I'd like to know if Cruz questioned her. With his race being so close I wondered if they were going to try and keep him from that. He did not, he gave his 5 minutes to the female lawyer (don't remember her name). Cornyn did the same thing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 0:16:47 GMT
The other thing is... facing the FBI is intimidating, scary, makes one tell the truth...
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Sept 28, 2018 0:18:41 GMT
I keep wondering what is going to happen with the other allegations against Kavanaugh. Will there be another hearing? Are those allegations going to be ignored? I think as far has the confirmation hearings go they'll be ignored. The women could bring criminal charges against him if they want to though...
to the bolded part. How in the heck can that be ignored? Have our lawmakers gone mad?? This is the SUPREME COURT.
UGH. I really need to get off the internet and stop watching the news.
I just can't fathom this shit.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 28, 2018 0:28:09 GMT
As of right now, the committee is scheduled to vote in the morning and the entire Senate is scheduled to vote at noon on Saturday. So as for what Senator Grassley meant when he said those other allegations would be looked at later, it's a mystery.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 0:32:47 GMT
Simply because it's not a sworn statement or a sworn declaration. If Judge did not sign it, it has no validity in any court of law. If that document is presented as proof, it will be invalidated as hearsay. Thanks! To me, that's a very important distinction and not at all the impression Kavanaugh et. al have been trying to give when discussing it. Was this brought up during the hearing? It IS a vital distinction. By K saying Judge submitted a sworn statement (that the incident Ford is alleging never happened) implies Judge is cognizant of making declarations under penalty of perjury. (Read: Judge must be telling the truth) Which he didn't. Yes, it was brought up by Blumenthal. I knew he submitted a statement but I didn't know he hadn't signed it until Blu brought it up.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 28, 2018 0:36:04 GMT
they do share a similar M.O.
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Post by imsirius on Sept 28, 2018 0:38:59 GMT
The other thing is... facing the FBI is intimidating, scary, makes one tell the truth... Unless you are Mike Flynn
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 0:42:22 GMT
The other thing is... facing the FBI is intimidating, scary, makes one tell the truth... Unless you are Mike Flynn I knew I should have changed it to MOST.. And it is most ordinary people....
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 28, 2018 0:49:13 GMT
I went out and came back to CNN still playing on my iPad. Sh!t. Got pulled right back in. Somebody, definitely defending Kavenaugh, was implying Ford was confused because...wait for it...after all, it was 36 years ago (incredulous voice).
So, do people think she knew who it was during the attack but then maybe forgot and substituted somebody else 36 years later? Got confused and changed her mind? Never knew and just played Russian roulette with likely boys? Misremembered BOTH Kavenaugh and Judge?
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 0:49:56 GMT
I keep wondering what is going to happen with the other allegations against Kavanaugh. Will there be another hearing? Are those allegations going to be ignored? If they don’t vote him in tomorrow I’ll be shocked.
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Post by Really Red on Sept 28, 2018 0:54:25 GMT
I keep wondering what is going to happen with the other allegations against Kavanaugh. Will there be another hearing? Are those allegations going to be ignored? If they don’t vote him in tomorrow I’ll be shocked. This makes me so sad. I just am seriously flabbergasted that getting a voice on the Supreme Court (and for that matter the presidency) is so important that they do not care what is going on. I truly do not understand this way of thinking.
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Post by moodyblue on Sept 28, 2018 0:58:45 GMT
Makes me sick. I had so many concerns about Kavanaugh before today - who's been paying his debts, to whom is he indebted now, the apparent lying about his knowledge of the stolen documents, the fact so many of his documents haven't been produced, etc.
I have even more concerns now.
I can't stand it when people won't answer questions and he did everything he could to avoid answering yes or no many many times. In fact, he was so well rehearsed he just kept repeating. And the interrupting of Democratic senators and asking them questions. Not to mention essentially blaming them for all of this. I think he showed his character, and it wasn't a good view.
Unfortunately, I think he'll be confirmed. I wish something would come out tomorrow that would stop it all, but I don't know what that could be. Maybe if one of the women would/could get charges filed against him, but I doubt they'll do it.
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Post by thundergal on Sept 28, 2018 1:03:16 GMT
"Devil's Triangle" is NOT "Quarters" with shot glasses in the shape of a triangle. It's a threesome. Does he think we can't Google.
He DID watch Dr. Ford's testimony. Why lie about that?
He wrote an opinion in 2016 arguing for the validity of lie detector tests as investigative tools, but today said they weren't appropriate means to draw conclusions.
He's a liar.
For me, that is MORE THAN ENOUGH to keep him off the bench.
What a really sad day. It was exactly what we knew it would be. Her word against his and she would not be believed by those who won't ask for the FBI to open their background check again and investigate.
Very sad day indeed.
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Post by suzastampin on Sept 28, 2018 1:07:39 GMT
He sounds like he's trying just a smidgen too hard. She was so well-spoken, emotional but strong and real. His poor-me is not coming across as authentic IMHO. I disagree. I think he sounds very believable. It seems like to me it depends on what side you were on before today. If you are a Democrat it would not matter what he said you were not going to believe him. I thought she did a good job also. My problem is I don’t trust any politicians. I feel that they all lie to get what they want and they don’t care who it hurts. I am neither republican or Democrat, I’m an independent. I have been saying that all sides should be heard. I had not made up my mind. What I saw today was a woman that was terrified to be there and one who probably wishes she had kept it all to herself. What I saw in Mr. Kavanaugh was an angry, entitled man. To him this was all an afront to him by the Democrats. If he had nothing to hide or wanted everybody to see him as the impartial judge that he is hoping to become, he would have volunteered for both an FBI investigation and a lie detector test. Not much has been made of the fact that Dr. Ford passed a polygraph. Yea, I know, who paid for it, who found the examiner? I have no no doubt that the Republicans will confirm him. I was very disappointed today’s hearing. I can’t believe that he’s the best of the best.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 1:28:53 GMT
I keep wondering what is going to happen with the other allegations against Kavanaugh. Will there be another hearing? Are those allegations going to be ignored? If they don’t vote him in tomorrow I’ll be shocked. Just the vote to go to the full Senate for Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 1:33:57 GMT
Crying and now blowing his nose and sniffing. I just heard his speech called filliblubbering. Holy shit this is SNORT worthy!!!! Wasn't it just said that no one was taking any glee in this man's experience? Well that's clearly not true.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 1:35:10 GMT
NOT what I read the other day from a link in one of the articles about Mark Judge.
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Post by thundergal on Sept 28, 2018 1:37:25 GMT
NOT what I read the other day from a link in one of the articles about Mark Judge. Oh really?! Maybe I need to dive deeper. Ugh.
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 28, 2018 1:38:44 GMT
NOT what I read the other day from a link in one of the articles about Mark Judge. What did you read? Because that's what I know it as.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 28, 2018 1:40:37 GMT
NOT what I read the other day from a link in one of the articles about Mark Judge. Oh really?! Maybe I need to dive deeper. Ugh.
I had no idea but wow. I am learning all kinds of things I never would have thought I would learn from this today LOL. I think there are just too many questions at this point. There has to be a better choice.
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Post by scrapnatya on Sept 28, 2018 1:42:02 GMT
I haven't read the whole thread and usually shy away from anything marked "political" but am I the only one who was watching Dr.Ford's testimony this morning and was crying???
I am the same age as she is and could easily see myself in her shoes. I actually cheered out loud that she had on a one piece suit. I think it saved her from being more invasively assaulted. There is not a doubt in my mind that she knows who her attacker is. It's not something that was a hazy memory. From that day forward, his name was engraved on her psyche. I was sexually assaulted when I was in my 20's and I guess that's where the tears came from. I was just so proud of her. She stood up for millions of women today at a very high personal cost.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 1:44:33 GMT
Rachel Maddow just made a VERY good point- if this was ONLY to get back at Trump's choice because of the Clinton loss, then Ford would have had to wait until the nominee was actually picked. Ford tried getting her information to people who could do something BEFORE he was the actual final choice. It wasn't about who-EVER the pick was, it was about picking KAVANAUGH, specifically.
ETA: and Chris Hayes had on some people, including Corey Booker, who talked about assault what this will do to women, esp. assault victims, going forward. If this totally credible witness doesn't even get a fair hearing on THIS high of a level, then what hope does any other woman have in the future?
And what hope does ANY even-slightly-progressive-or-Democratic institution of getting a fair hearing from Brett Kavanaugh as a SCOTUS Justice after his shameful partisanship display today?
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