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Post by thundergal on Sept 28, 2018 1:44:46 GMT
NOT what I read the other day from a link in one of the articles about Mark Judge. What did you read? Because that's what I know it as.
Yes, what do you see that it is revirdsuba99?
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Post by birdgate on Sept 28, 2018 1:49:12 GMT
"You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate"
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 1:51:55 GMT
"You need a date / and it's getting late / so don't hesitate / to call Renate" this is a sign of RESPECT! c'mon!!
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Post by originalvanillabean on Sept 28, 2018 1:52:39 GMT
It isn't like there aren't plenty of other qualified women or men who could fill this seat who haven't had the issues this man has had. This exactly! This is all such bullshit. If someone is going to get elected to the Supreme Court (for LIFE) they sure as hell better have a clean record. And he was so snarky too, like he feels as though he is beyond reproach. Ugggh. Although the situation makes me seethe, I think it is enough injustice to get people out to vote. I sure hope so anyway.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 28, 2018 1:52:48 GMT
I know this is intensely personal and humiliating, whether he’s guilty or not. I get it. But I would think somebody with this much experience as a lawyer and a judge would be doing a better job, e.g. not interrupting, repeating, and sputtering so much as a witness. I guess I expected somebody who could force himself to be come off as more thoughtful - and less furious - during a hearing like this. Less accusatory. A commentator from npr on Rachel maddow just referred to it as "judicial temperament"
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Post by quinlove on Sept 28, 2018 1:54:56 GMT
I haven't read the whole thread and usually shy away from anything marked "political" but am I the only one who was watching Dr.Ford's testimony this morning and was crying??? I am the same age as she is and could easily see myself in her shoes. I actually cheered out loud that she had on a one piece suit. I think it saved her from being more invasively assaulted. There is not a doubt in my mind that she knows who her attacker is. It's not something that was a hazy memory. From that day forward, his name was engraved on her psyche. I was sexually assaulted when I was in my 20's and I guess that's where the tears came from. I was just so proud of her. She stood up for millions of women today at a very high personal cost. Hugs and love to you. I hope you feel a little more empowered after today.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 1:55:45 GMT
No matter what comes of all this, I hope Christine Ford finds some peace and solace in finally excising this out of her. I hope she gets her life back, she and her family are safe again, and that she can derive some comfort in knowing a lot of women and men recognize how courageous she was for doing what she did. If nothing else, what Anita Hill and Christine Ford have shown is that an ordinary human being, with grace and dignity, can do something extraordinary for no other reason than it’s the right thing to do.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 2:00:08 GMT
Although the situation makes me seethe, I think it is enough injustice to get people out to vote. I sure hope so anyway. sad to say, I'm not so sure. I don't remember where they were, but Chris Hayes was recently out in the field (Michigan, maybe?) and asked people what they thought about the things going on in Washington... with the Supreme Court, Russia, and more. The people who answered said they're concerned about their wages, and jobs, and that 'this stuff' doesn't affect them. Most people think short-term, not long-term. Until it's too late.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 2:08:26 GMT
What would you sound like if you were accused of something so heinous and had to defend yourself against it? I would be calm, respectful, answer directly & clearly, and not say anything or behave in such a way that might make my credibility questionable. I honestly don't think he could pick the right way to react. If he's calm, composed and professional he'd be condemned for not showing the emotion a wrongly accused innocent man would, so that proves he's not innocent. If he's angry at being a wrongly accused innocent man and having his family's life threatened and shows it and sheds tears then that proves he's not credible. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 2:15:10 GMT
He really just rattled off BS examples from LAST NIGHT as proof that he's being railroaded. he needs to calm the FUCK down. Really? "calm the FUCK down"? I wonder how calm any of us would be if we had to testify before a Senate committee. This isn't easy for Dr. Ford, nor is it easy for Mr. Kavanaugh - BOTH are effectively fighting for their lives and reputations.
I would not be able to be calm in such a situation.
Exactly that.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 2:24:00 GMT
No matter what comes of all this, I hope Christine Ford finds some peace and solace in finally excising this out of her. I hope she gets her life back, she and her family are safe again, and that she can derive some comfort in knowing a lot of women and men recognize how courageous she was for doing what she did. I donated a small amount. My comment to her was.. 'You are my HERO!'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 2:35:10 GMT
He can be impeached... Commentator on MSNBC just said we have seen his anger, he yelled, so easy to see him as a belligerent drunk... Victimize a woman in the most horrific way possible, destroy her physically and emotionally, demand she report it in order to prevent anyone else from going through what she has, then destroy her even further by having to be a witness to her own destruction and prove she was actually a victim. Destroy an innocent man's life with horrific accusations, make him defend himself and fight for his life, then destroy him even further for doing so with any emotion. If you're really looking for the truth you ought to be able to understand you're doing the same thing to the innocent man you don't want done to the woman. Or vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 2:40:05 GMT
So when we discuss his tears I think it could be beneficial to consistently indicate the reason for our (perfectly valid) issues with his crying, instead of just making blanket statements that he needs to stop crying already and he is pathetic for crying. Include more background info about it being theater, not seeming sincere, something so that the comments and their intent couldn't be easily misconstrued. Point taken, but he is used to speaking in public... After his initial statement he should be able to compose himself. He might get upset at different times, but not to sniffle through the whole thing. How used to fighting for his life while speaking in public is he? Not very.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 2:42:18 GMT
No matter what comes of all this, I hope Christine Ford finds some peace and solace in finally excising this out of her. I hope she gets her life back, she and her family are safe again, and that she can derive some comfort in knowing a lot of women and men recognize how courageous she was for doing what she did. I donated a small amount. My comment to her was.. 'You are my HERO!' That's a wonderful gesture!
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 28, 2018 2:43:18 GMT
Point taken, but he is used to speaking in public... After his initial statement he should be able to compose himself. He might get upset at different times, but not to sniffle through the whole thing. How used to fighting for his life while speaking in public is he? Not very. I don't understand what you mean by "fighting for his life" ? Could you explain?
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Post by paminmn on Sept 28, 2018 2:44:37 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 28, 2018 2:47:17 GMT
I have so many concerns about Kavanaugh, even if you take away the allegations. Those concerns were heightened today. Clearly he is not wanting to serve all citizens. As someone who was spouting off about partisanship, he sure did participate in that his week. That is not what a Supreme Court Justice is supposed to represent.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 2:54:08 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! What were these "all kinds of evidence?"
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Post by moodyblue on Sept 28, 2018 2:57:40 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! She has a polygraph test, she has notes from her therapy sessions, which happened years ago, she has friends and her husband to whom she told his name. She was also asking for the FBI to investigate. He had calendars, he has a bunch of testimonials from people, but also a connection to the scum who tried to blame the assault on another kid, he has an indirect statement from the other named guy in the room, saying he doesn't remember that happening - a statement that was NOT a sworn statement signed by Mark Judge, but a statement of hearsay signed by Judge's lawyer - and Mark Judge has been doing his best to evade any more questions. I don't believe Judge's statement actually says it didn't happen, just that he has no memory of it (from a guy who wrote about his heavy drinking and addiction issues). Kavanaugh also has not been willing to take a polygraph or ask the FBI to investigate - I think because he knows he'd have to lie to maintain his story, and lying to the FBI would be a major problem. Same thing for Mark Judge who tried to disappear from contact. After today's testimony I have no problem seeing Kavanaugh as a belligerent, mean drunk.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 2:59:53 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! She has a polygraph test, she has notes from her therapy sessions, which happened years ago, she has friends and her husband to whom she told his name. She was also asking for the FBI to investigate. He had calendars, he has a bunch of testimonials from people, but also a connection to the scum who tried to blame the assault on another kid, he has an indirect statement from the other named guy in the room, saying he doesn't remember that happening - a statement that was NOT a sworn statement signed by Mark Judge, but a statement of hearsay signed by Judge's lawyer - and Mark Judge has been doing his best to evade any more questions. I don't believe Judge's statement actually says it didn't happen, just that he has no memory of it (from a guy who wrote about his heavy drinking and addiction issues). Kavanaugh also has not been willing to take a polygraph or ask the FBI to investigate - I think because he knows he'd have to lie to maintain his story, and lying to the FBI would be a major problem. Same thing for Mark Judge who tried to disappear from contact. After today's testimony I have no problem seeing Kavanaugh as a belligerent, mean drunk. Thank you, Moody. You saved me a heck of a lot of typing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 3:01:43 GMT
America, The Jesuit Review The Editors Sept 27, 2018 7:00PM The Editors: It is time for the Kavanaugh nomination to be withdrawnBy The Editors Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee today clearly demonstrated both the seriousness of her allegation of assault by Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh and the stakes of this question for the whole country. Judge Kavanaugh denied the accusation and emphasized in his testimony that the opposition of Democratic senators to his nomination and their consequent willingness to attack him was established long before Dr. Blasey’s allegation was known. Evaluating the credibility of these competing accounts is a question about which people of good will can and do disagree. The editors of this review have no special insight into who is telling the truth. If Dr. Blasey’s allegation is true, the assault and Judge Kavanaugh’s denial of it mean that he should not be seated on the U.S. Supreme Court. But even if the credibility of the allegation has not been established beyond a reasonable doubt and even if further investigation is warranted to determine its validity or clear Judge Kavanaugh’s name, we recognize that this nomination is no longer in the best interests of the country. While we previously endorsed the nomination of Judge Kavanaugh on the basis of his legal credentials and his reputation as a committed textualist, it is now clear that the nomination should be withdrawn. The nomination of Judge Kavanaugh has become a referendum on how to address allegations of sexual assault. Tweet this If this were a question of establishing Judge Kavanaugh’s legal or moral responsibility for the assault described by Dr. Blasey, then far more stringent standards of proof would apply. His presumption of innocence might settle the matter in his favor, absent further investigation and new evidence. But the question is not solely about Judge Kavanaugh’s responsibility, nor is it any longer primarily about his qualifications. Rather it is about the prudence of his nomination and potential confirmation. In addition to being a fight over policy issues, which it already was, his nomination has also become a referendum on how to address allegations of sexual assault. ** We continue to support the nomination of judges according to such principles—but Judge Kavanaugh is not the only such nominee available. For the good of the country and the future credibility of the Supreme Court in a world that is finally learning to take reports of harassment, assault and abuse seriously, it is time to find a nominee whose confirmation will not repudiate that lesson. Much more at link: www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/09/27/editors-it-time-kavanaugh-nomination-be-withdrawnThis article might be better: www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/09/24/brett-kavanaugh-and-true-meaning-brotherhood
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Post by huskergal on Sept 28, 2018 3:12:47 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! He wouldn't answer simple yes or no questions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 3:19:24 GMT
How used to fighting for his life while speaking in public is he? Not very. I don't understand what you mean by "fighting for his life" ? Could you explain? MizIndependent said it best: "Really? "calm the FUCK down"? I wonder how calm any of us would be if we had to testify before a Senate committee. This isn't easy for Dr. Ford, nor is it easy for Mr. Kavanaugh - BOTH are effectively fighting for their lives and reputations. I would not be able to be calm in such a situation."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 3:19:51 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! This wasn't court. It was job interview.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 3:28:50 GMT
Graham's going to have a stroke! We can only hope. Man, I detest that guy. Wow.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 28, 2018 3:28:56 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! She has a polygraph test, she has notes from her therapy sessions, which happened years ago, she has friends and her husband to whom she told his name. She was also asking for the FBI to investigate. He had calendars, he has a bunch of testimonials from people, but also a connection to the scum who tried to blame the assault on another kid, he has an indirect statement from the other named guy in the room, saying he doesn't remember that happening - a statement that was NOT a sworn statement signed by Mark Judge, but a statement of hearsay signed by Judge's lawyer - and Mark Judge has been doing his best to evade any more questions. I don't believe Judge's statement actually says it didn't happen, just that he has no memory of it (from a guy who wrote about his heavy drinking and addiction issues). Kavanaugh also has not been willing to take a polygraph or ask the FBI to investigate - I think because he knows he'd have to lie to maintain his story, and lying to the FBI would be a major problem. Same thing for Mark Judge who tried to disappear from contact. After today's testimony I have no problem seeing Kavanaugh as a belligerent, mean drunk. He also insisted, repeatedly, that his most compelling evidence was that “four people swore I didn’t do it.” It’s simply not true that four people said he didn’t do it. (Okay, Mark Judge, through his lawyer, said it didn’t happen, but the charge is he actually participated; it would be very rare for a man with that accusation to admit guilt.) It’s also highly likely he misrepresented other things today (Renate alum, Devil’s Triangle, FFFFFF, extent of drinking, no time to ever party, never lost consciousness or blacked out, etc.). He said he only knew Catholic school girls, but then said he indeed knew Leland. As far as his “evidence” that he’s a good guy held in high regard who always goes to Mass, loves baseball and beer, and got.into.Yale.Law.School, I’m sure several sex offenders could craft a similar reputation/achievement/All American defense. I’m having a hard time time seeing any of the above as “all kinds of evidence” as stacked up against Dr. Ford’s history of divulging the incident.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 3:45:12 GMT
extent of drinking, no time to ever party, never lost consciousness or blacked out, etc Woman classmate from Yale was on Chris Como tonight, She said she drank with Kavanaugh to excess.... I did not see it they talked about it on Don Lemon tonight.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 3:50:02 GMT
“Small lies matter, even about yearbooks. From the standard jury instruction: “If a witness is shown knowingly to have testified falsely about any material matter, you have a right to distrust such witness' other testimony and you may reject all the testimony of that witness ...”
James Comey
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 3:51:13 GMT
American Bar Association calls on Judiciary Committee to halt Kavanaugh vote until FBI Investigation is done!!
CNN Don Lemon 11:52 EDT
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 28, 2018 3:53:49 GMT
American Bar Association calls on Judiciaru Committe to halt Kavanaugh vote until FBI Investigation is done!! I was just coming to post this. I wonder what this will mean. I can’t imagine all the Republicans are ok with this man, there has to be one who has the sense to see it would a terrible injustice to force this through without a true and proper investigation.
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