lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 17:21:53 GMT
Holy smokes. Flake was confronted in the elevator by assault survivors. They just played the video on CNN. He later removed himself from the proceedings & hasn’t been seen since. I really like him & was shocked to hear that he was going to vote to confirm. Why are you shocked? That's his usual M.O. - talk a good game and then vote in lockstep with his party.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 17:22:48 GMT
It doesn't matter if they cannot vote today. It doesn't matter how the judiciary committee votes. McConnell can call for a vote as majority leader in the Senate.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 17:22:55 GMT
I don't quite understand what's happening right now; Sen. Feinstein is still in the room, isn't she? I know some of them have walked out, but are they expected to return for the vote?? there's 'something going on in the anteroom' but I'm not sure what-- Dems conferring with each other? Grassley is still waiting, like there's still going to be a vote at 1:30. Someone suggested pushing back the vote, but he said he sees no reason to do that. Will they still vote if they don't all come back in? eta: I'm just watching the livestream; I think I need to switch to someplace that has a couple talking heads who can explain. Flake left early as well.
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 28, 2018 17:26:06 GMT
A reporter from MSNBC is saying the Democrats are in an anteroom with Flake, presumably trying to get him to change his vote.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 17:26:53 GMT
A reporter from MSNBC is saying the Democrats are in an anteroom with Flake, presumably trying to get him to change his vote. I wouldn't be surprised if Flake changes his vote last second.
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janeliz
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Post by janeliz on Sept 28, 2018 17:28:09 GMT
Jeff Flake always feels soooo concerned on Twitter. In real life? Not so much.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:28:32 GMT
Holy smokes. Flake was confronted in the elevator by assault survivors. They just played the video on CNN. He later removed himself from the proceedings & hasn’t been seen since. I really like him & was shocked to hear that he was going to vote to confirm. Why are you shocked? That's his usual M.O. - talk a good game and then vote in lockstep with his party. I apparently didn’t know as much about him as I thought I did. He certainly does talk a good talk. I first learned of him during the softball game shooting. What he does over the next hour will certainly make or break my opinion of him.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 17:29:36 GMT
A reporter from MSNBC is saying the Democrats are in an anteroom with Flake, presumably trying to get him to change his vote. I wouldn't be surprised if Flake changes his vote last second. He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 17:30:07 GMT
he's retiring, too, right? so it would be a great time for him to actually vote his conscience instead of just toeing the party line, but I'm doubtful.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 17:31:02 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Flake changes his vote last second. He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. Which is what I tell myself every time. He raises my hopes just to squash them again
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 17:31:31 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Flake changes his vote last second. He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. oh I agree. I just don't think his vote is a secure as the talking heads on TV are implying. I would not doubt it for one second that he changes his vote last second as a big f*you to Trump.
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Post by busy on Sept 28, 2018 17:31:35 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Flake changes his vote last second. He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. Except "credibility" for post-Senate positions with conservative lobbying firms, etc. If he breaks with the party, it could hurt his income potential. So, he does have something to lose.
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Post by keesha on Sept 28, 2018 17:31:50 GMT
If they thought the calendar would be evidence in their favor I wonder what's out there that is incriminating (and they know the FBI would find). Kavanaugh's behavior & words in the hearing showed us he is not qualified for this job - in spite of the fact he has made it this far in his career.
I want to thank Bill (spice guy) Penzey for his email blast today - it didn't exactly cheer me up but it helped. "The thing about flat-out denying reality is that there’s no stepping back from it. There’s no negotiation afterwards that arrives at some mutually agreeable spot. Once you choose the Lance Armstrong approach, once you choose to attack those just doing their job by exposing your crimes, you’ve started a timer that, when it goes ding, means you are done. To go the full Lance is to understand that all there is ahead for you is lifetime suspension.
Republicans are now on an end of days run. All there is left for them is to do as much damage as they can, to the benefit of their benefactors, before time runs out. November 6th is coming soon. Remember.
And in fairness to Mr. Armstrong, as much as he cheated and destroyed lives, he also tried to do some good. Not so much with the privileged guys we saw yesterday.
Heal the world, do lots of cooking this weekend,"
Bill
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:32:31 GMT
Coons is back in & conferring with Feinstein (apologies if I misspelled her name)
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:33:56 GMT
Bunch of rhe others walking out now
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:34:48 GMT
He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. oh I agree. I just don't think his vote is a secure as the talking heads on TV are implying. I would not doubt it for one second that he changes his vote last second as a big f*you to Trump. Someone on CNN mentioned a McCain-like scenario
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 17:35:18 GMT
He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. Which is what I tell myself every time. He raises my hopes just to squash them again Yes, I understand what you're saying. Every time he scrunches his face at something Trump did, I just don't pay attention anymore. He may hate Trump but he's GOP all the way.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 17:35:49 GMT
He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. Except "credibility" for post-Senate positions with conservative lobbying firms, etc. If he breaks with the party, it could hurt his income potential. So, he does have something to lose. That's a good point I hadn't considered. But ya know what? His constituents from his current job should be able to expect him to do what's right today, regardless.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:36:00 GMT
Coons is back in & conferring with Feinstein (apologies if I misspelled her name) Quoting myself to say I’m not for sure it was Coons, sorry if I’m wrong about that.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 17:37:14 GMT
He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. Except "credibility" for post-Senate positions with conservative lobbying firms, etc. If he breaks with the party, it could hurt his income potential. So, he does have something to lose. Maybe if that doesn’t pan out he could have his own reality show. Because he’s just as fake as some of those on TV.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:39:46 GMT
They keep saying Dems are caucusing. What does that mean?
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Post by withapea on Sept 28, 2018 17:39:58 GMT
he's retiring, too, right? so it would be a great time for him to actually vote his conscience instead of just toeing the party line, but I'm doubtful. He needs to stay in the good graces of Republicans so he can get a sweet lobbying deal. The few Republicans that tsk tsk just handslap and vote with the rest of them 99% of time.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 17:40:48 GMT
so, it's 10 minutes past time, now... all Dems are out of the room, along with most of their staff. Grassley and the others are still sitting, waiting.
ETA: I don't figure that Flake will have the balls to vote No; I just think if there's anytime to do it, it would be now. a la John McCain voting against the ACA repeal.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 17:40:50 GMT
Let his accusers seek the investigation as it is their burden to prove They have repeatedly asked for an FBI investigation! Over and over again. Dr Ford asked under oath just yesterday.
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Post by peano on Sept 28, 2018 17:41:26 GMT
Wow, JustT. Just read your post and I hope you’re ok today. That must have been incredibly difficult for you at work yesterday. I’m glad you have the weekend to recover. I was shocked at how intense my reaction was to the testimony yesterday.
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Post by busy on Sept 28, 2018 17:41:29 GMT
Except "credibility" for post-Senate positions with conservative lobbying firms, etc. If he breaks with the party, it could hurt his income potential. So, he does have something to lose. That's a good point I hadn't considered. But ya know what? His constituents from his current job should be able to expect him to do what's right today, regardless. I think it was Pod Save America that was talking about that in the last couple of days - that departing Congresspeople tend to vote even more in lockstep with their party after they've announced they're leaving because they want to secure future employment (which is usually partisan in one way or another).
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 28, 2018 17:41:36 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Flake changes his vote last second. He's got nothing to lose. He's not running again so he can afford to. He's not running again which means that if he doesn't vote the correct way he won't get that cushy high dollar job that most of these representatives get from corporate sponsors when they leave office. ETA I just saw that Busy said this earlier.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 17:42:17 GMT
Coons is back in & conferring with Feinstein (apologies if I misspelled her name) Where? All I see are Hatch and Grassley - two old men getting ready to eff up the next forty years of our lives.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 17:43:04 GMT
the expert who just spoke said he thinks they can vote wtihout the Dems, and list the Dems as 'abstentions' --Not sure about this, though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 17:43:12 GMT
The delay is killing me. No work is getting done right now in my office.
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