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Post by sean&marysmommy on Sept 28, 2018 16:09:28 GMT
Just T- wish I could reach through the screen and give you a big hug....
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 16:16:10 GMT
Ted Cruz, banging on about Kavanaugh’s calendar, as if it proves Kavanaugh’s innocence. Please. If anything, it might prove Ford’s claim that they were all together in a gathering as brought up by Whitehouse.
Calendar entry July 1, 1982: “Go to Timmy’s for skis w/ Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie, Squi
What it indicates is they had a drinking session – brewskis - at Timmy’s house. Ford said that she was assaulted in a gathering where Leland (her female friend), Brett, Judge, PJ and one other boy (whose name she could not remember) were present.
(Leland, who was said originally submitted a statement claiming she was not present at this gathering RECANTED her statement. She texted an apology to Ford and said she was undergoing some personal issues and just let her lawyer handle it. She said she merely does not recall the event but believes Ford’s allegation. Kavanaugh said Leland “refuted” Ford’s claim – NO…as Coons is saying right now, refuting and not recalling are not the same thing.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 16:18:55 GMT
What it indicates is they had a drinking session – brewskis - at Timmy’s house. Ford said that she was assaulted in a gathering where Leland (her female friend), Brett, Judge, PJ and one other boy (whose name she could not remember) were present. She also stated yesterday that there could have been others there. Those were the ones she remembered.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 16:21:44 GMT
They are back to the 'statement under penalty of law' again......... including Mark Judge's first 'statement'...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 16:41:03 GMT
So I missed this (stinking work!): when Kavanaugh was rude to Sen Klobuchar. Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post wrote: The worst moment was his confrontation with Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) who questioned him about blackout drinking. She explained that she understood alcohol abuse because her father was an alcoholic. Have you ever blacked out? she asked. He sneered in response, “Have you?” It was a moment of singular cruelty and disrespect. One saw a flash in the exchange with Klobuchar the same sense of entitlement, cruelty and lack of simple decency that Christine Blasey Ford allegedly experienced way back when, the memory seared in her brain of two obnoxious teens laughing at her ordeal.This is exactly it. It shocks me that any thinking person cannot see the sense of entitlement that this person has. No way can or will he ever be impartial. I dread today. That is exactly how it came across to me too. He treated the senator with such contempt. I'm just beyond trying to understand that if he is innocent why wouldn't he want a through investigation by the FBI. Any man I know, if they were truly innocent, would do everything in their power to prove that rather than accept a job and have that question mark hanging over him for the rest of his life. I don't know of any man who would willingly carry that burden unless it's someone who is so arrogant and thinks they are above the law!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 16:42:58 GMT
How used to fighting for his life while speaking in public is he? Not very. As a judge he should be well-versed in keeping his composure during intense situations. Fighting for your life and reputation creates a vastly different disposition than simply doing your job does. To predict that his behavior during a normal everyday occurrence will be the same as his behavior and reaction during a catastrophic life event is ludicrous. He's fighting for his and his family's lives from being ended by nut jobs who have decided he was guilty the minute they heard a rumor of an accusation. He's fighting for the stigma of the rest of his life being known as a person who would attempt to rape someone. He's fighting for a career he spent a lifetime of dedicated service to build. So I have to disagree when you say he's not fighting for his life. As far as calling this nothing but a job interview is an insult to both he and Christine Blasey and what they're actually doing there.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 16:43:44 GMT
Sen Booker is very good
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Post by peano on Sept 28, 2018 16:44:19 GMT
Kavanaugh and Graham. So shril. So hysterical. So... strident. Haha. I see what you did there.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 16:45:31 GMT
He's fighting for his and his family's lives from being ended by nut jobs who have decided he was guilty the minute they heard a rumor of an accusation. He's fighting for the stigma of the rest of his life being known as a person who would attempt to rape someone. He's fighting for a career he spent a lifetime of dedicated service to build. then why doesn't he want that fight to include a REAL investigation by the FBI? because he doesn't. THAT would end it once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 16:46:12 GMT
Did you happen to notice that she never once raised her voice? Never blamed the Republicans? Answered every question clearly & directly? Was clearly shaken and emotional but remained dignified & respectful? I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 16:50:09 GMT
He's fighting for his and his family's lives from being ended by nut jobs who have decided he was guilty the minute they heard a rumor of an accusation. He's fighting for the stigma of the rest of his life being known as a person who would attempt to rape someone. He's fighting for a career he spent a lifetime of dedicated service to build. then why doesn't he want that fight to include a REAL investigation by the FBI? because he doesn't. THAT would end it once and for all. Exactly.
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 28, 2018 16:53:17 GMT
Um no, fighting for a position and reputation is not the same as fighting for your literal life. It was deemed offensive when Nike and Collin Kaepernick said he sacrificed everything, and it’s offensive to equate politically motivated hearings to life or death situations.
And frankly his anger and rage and evasive answers reminded me of the righteous indignation the step father who raped me repeatedly as a child threw around when the district attorney was questioning why I didn’t bleed when I was raped by a classmate as a teenager.
The last years since the p*ssy tape have been horrific to endure. I guarantee there are 15 year old girls being assaulted now and not telling anyone because of yesterday’s hearings.
I just can’t even.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 28, 2018 16:55:55 GMT
then why doesn't he want that fight to include a REAL investigation by the FBI? because he doesn't. THAT would end it once and for all. Exactly. This is America. As citizens, we are considered innocent until proven guilty.
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise.
Let his accusers seek the investigation as it is their burden to prove, not the accused.
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 28, 2018 16:59:12 GMT
This is America. As citizens, we are considered innocent until proven guilty.
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise.
Let his accusers seek the investigation as it is their burden to prove, not the accused. Dr Ford has asked repeatedly for an investigation. Republicans refuse.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 16:59:54 GMT
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise. it's not criminal proceedings; it's the confirmation process. Their typical practice for YEARS (except for this candidate, for some reason) is that when additional allegations have come up after the initial investigation has been done, they RE-OPEN the FBI investigation to look into the validity, or not, of the new allegations. That is how it's ALWAYS been done- for them to not adhere to their typical process, which has been set through YEARS of PRECEDENTS, is bewildering at best, and nefarious at worst.
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Post by amom23 on Sept 28, 2018 17:00:50 GMT
This is America. As citizens, we are considered innocent until proven guilty.
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise.
Let his accusers seek the investigation as it is their burden to prove, not the accused. Excuse me, but you are an idiot. What do you think his accusers have been asking for? They don't have the ability authorize an FBI investigation on their own.
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Post by cbet on Sept 28, 2018 17:01:37 GMT
This is America. As citizens, we are considered innocent until proven guilty.
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise.
Let his accusers seek the investigation as it is their burden to prove, not the accused. He. is. not. involved. in. a. criminal. trial. Therefore, innocent until proven otherwise does not apply. As has been stated here many times. Ugh. The man is interviewing for a job.
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 28, 2018 17:04:19 GMT
Ted Cruz, banging on about Kavanaugh’s calendar, as if it proves Kavanaugh’s innocence. Please. If anything, it might prove Ford’s claim that they were all together in a gathering as brought up by Whitehouse. Calendar entry July 1, 1982: “Go to Timmy’s for skis w/ Judge, Tom, PJ, Bernie, Squi What it indicates is they had a drinking session – brewskis - at Timmy’s house. Ford said that she was assaulted in a gathering where Leland (her female friend), Brett, Judge, PJ and one other boy (whose name she could not remember) were present. (Leland, who was said originally submitted a statement claiming she was not present at this gathering RECANTED her statement. She texted an apology to Ford and said she was undergoing some personal issues and just let her lawyer handle it. She said she merely does not recall the event but believes Ford’s allegation. Kavanaugh said Leland “refuted” Ford’s claim – NO…as Coons is saying right now, refuting and not recalling are not the same thing.) OMG. That calendar is filled with references to parties & drinking. BEACH WEEK!!!!
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:08:56 GMT
Dems have walked out.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 17:10:38 GMT
This is America. As citizens, we are considered innocent until proven guilty.
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise.
Let his accusers seek the investigation as it is their burden to prove, not the accused. Excuse me, but you are an idiot. What do you think his accusers have been asking for? They don't have the ability authorize an FBI investigation on their own. She wasn't being rude or combative or disrespectful, please let's keep it civil. I get why you're upset, I disagree with her as well and will scream if I hear one more person question the need for an investigation or acknowledge the optics (at the very least) of his refusal to ask for one. But she was just stating her opinion. The accused has asked, demanded at first actually, said she wouldn't appear at the Senate Hearing until the FBI completed an investigation. Republicans used it against her claiming she had made unreasonable demands. The Democrats have vehemently requested one. The only people who haven't requested an FBI investigation are Kavanaugh and the Republicans and you have to wonder why that is when, as they believe he is innocent, it should help clear his name. And, as has been pointed out, this isn't a court of law. If it was there'd be things like, expert testimony and, I don't know...witnesses? Republicans also don't want them. Again...why? He, personally, can't make them open one. But if he were to request one publicly there would be tons of added pressure to make that happen. And if he wants to help clear his name, I do not understand why he would not want an investigation to happen.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 17:11:36 GMT
This is America. As citizens, we are considered innocent until proven guilty.
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise.
Let his accusers seek the investigation as it is their burden to prove, not the accused. Excuse me, but you are an idiot. What do you think his accusers have been asking for? They don't have the ability authorize an FBI investigation on their own. Was this really called for? If you want to disagree with her, fine. But to resort to name calling is kinda ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 17:12:21 GMT
Question - does it bother anyone else that Dr. Blasey Ford's anonymous letter was leaked to the media? I am having real issues with this. She wanted it to stay private & her wishes were disregarded. I've thought about this all night and it just makes me sick. I'm having trouble with the idea that she wanted to tell this story to Feinstein but didn't want them to do anything with it. Then what was the point? She couldn't possibly have expected they'd be able to do anything with a vague and anonymous accusation, could she? And if she didn't believe it would go public, why did she take a polygraph before it ever did?
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 17:12:59 GMT
So does this mean they wont vote at all? I was busy after the old guy from LA. was speaking and didn't hear what happened.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 17:14:58 GMT
Question - does it bother anyone else that Dr. Blasey Ford's anonymous letter was leaked to the media? I am having real issues with this. She wanted it to stay private & her wishes were disregarded. I've thought about this all night and it just makes me sick. I'm having trouble with the idea that she wanted to tell this story to Feinstein but didn't want them to do anything with it. Then what was the point? She couldn't possibly have expected they'd be able to do anything with a vague and anonymous accusation, could she? And if she didn't believe it would go public, why did she take a polygraph before it ever did? I get what you are saying - and part of me agrees with what you are bringing up. BUT I do think if anyone from the Senate promised to keep her claims anonymous, then they should have.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 28, 2018 17:16:02 GMT
Excuse me, but you are an idiot. What do you think his accusers have been asking for? They don't have the ability authorize an FBI investigation on their own. Was this really called for? If you want to disagree with her, fine. But to resort to name calling is kinda ridiculous. Thank you. I know you have spoken up against conservatives like notlauren who insult others. Oh, wait. I'll hold off on letting you be the arbiter of board civility until you expect everyone to be civil.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:16:09 GMT
Holy smokes. Flake was confronted in the elevator by assault survivors. They just played the video on CNN. He later removed himself from the proceedings & hasn’t been seen since.
I really like him & was shocked to hear that he was going to vote to confirm.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:17:55 GMT
So does this mean they wont vote at all? I was busy after the old guy from LA. was speaking and didn't hear what happened. I’m not sure. I was hoping they would elaborate more on TV but they cut to the Flake video.
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Post by busy on Sept 28, 2018 17:18:33 GMT
Kavanaugh does not have to ask for an investigation as he stands innocent until proven otherwise. This isn't a criminal proceeding. It's a high profile, high stakes job interview. I would not choose to hire someone who had a string of accusations that could prove problematic for my company. Why should we put someone like that on the Supreme Court?? There are plenty of other qualified candidates for this position out there. Why the Trump won't cut bait with Kavanaugh and go with another conservative jurist who won't have the stink of these allegations their entire tenure on the bench is beyond me.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 17:19:43 GMT
I don't quite understand what's happening right now; Sen. Feinstein is still in the room, isn't she? I know some of them have walked out, but are they expected to return for the vote?? there's 'something going on in the anteroom' but I'm not sure what-- Dems conferring with each other? Grassley is still waiting, like there's still going to be a vote at 1:30. Someone suggested pushing back the vote, but he said he sees no reason to do that. Will they still vote if they don't all come back in?
eta: I'm just watching the livestream; I think I need to switch to someplace that has a couple talking heads who can explain.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 17:19:46 GMT
Was this really called for? If you want to disagree with her, fine. But to resort to name calling is kinda ridiculous. Thank you. I know you have spoken up against conservatives like notlauren who insult others. Oh, wait. I'll hold off on letting you be the arbiter of board civility until you expect everyone to be civil. I’ve never known Mom to be disrespectful or call names.
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