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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 29, 2018 0:45:29 GMT
What do you mean no new information? Nothing I've read says anything like that. The person you quoted said no new women/info. Yes, that was me, I stated that I thought I had read that....I am now back online (had to do dinner stuff!) and I am trying to find where I thought I read that!!!!!
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 0:47:42 GMT
FBI does not make any such determination. Whatever they gather has to be given to the WH. I understand your concern (oh, boy, do I!) but that's the way it works. Now, call Mom and tell her what the truth is. Lol. Tell her some Blue Hair on 2PR says hello. LOL, already did! I mean does does the White House have the discretion as to what to pass on? I still trust the FBI LOL. OMG. I don't know. It's Trump! Who knows - maybe he'll burn it and blame the Dems! Then tweet that the FBI is corrupt and in cahoots with Obama and Hillary. Omg, it's been a long day. All kidding aside, I think everything will be fine, we just have to wait. Oh, forgot to say...I just saw a report saying McConnell moving forward with floor vote. Saying he has the votes. It's BS, of course - he doesn't have Flake, Collins and Murkowski. I think he's just grandstanding.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 29, 2018 0:49:10 GMT
HERE IT IS!!!
The terminology that they used was "limited in scope"
From Bloomberg:
President Donald Trump ordered an FBI investigation into sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh after a request by Senate Republicans, a new roadblock for a nominee the GOP had hoped to muscle through the chamber within days.
The move comes a day after a raucous Senate hearing where Kavanaugh forcefully and tearfully denied claims by Christine Blasey Ford that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in high school.
“As the Senate has requested, this update must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week,” Trump said Friday afternoon in a statement.
Kavanaugh in a statement released by the White House, said Friday, “Throughout this process, I’ve been interviewed by the FBI, I’ve done a number of ‘background’ calls directly with the Senate, and yesterday, I answered questions under oath about every topic the Senators and their counsel asked me. I’ve done everything they have requested and will continue to cooperate.” ‘Credible Allegations’
The Judiciary panel asked that the investigation be "limited to current credible allegations" against Kavanaugh. GOP Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, who had demanded the move, told reporters that means that addition to Ford’s claim, the FBI could decide whether to look into allegations of sexual misconduct by two other women.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 29, 2018 0:49:35 GMT
Flake is retiring which everyone assumes gives him more independence except like most retiring lawmakers, he is probably hoping/expecting to get a cushy lobbyist job to get him through retirement. That is not going to happen if he alienates the conservative power brokers in Washington DC. And he's only 55 so this matters. I read speculation that his close friendship with Chris Coons and perhaps even his Mormon faith played a role in his last minute change of heart in addition to the encounter in the elevator.
I expect that ultimately Flake will vote with his party to confirm Kavanaugh. But he showed courage today - what he did, standing up to his party leadership in the face of risk to his own future employment prospects - took courage. And his gamble worked because Manchin and Murkowski backed him and McConnell and Trump blinked. We got what we've been asking for and that is only because of him. Whatever happens next week, I am grateful for his courage today.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 0:54:33 GMT
I need a nap! I don't like beer!
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Post by suzastampin on Sept 29, 2018 1:05:33 GMT
Did anybody else see Good Morning America this morning? There were two women they spoke with this morning that were at Yale and knew Kavanaugh while there. I can only find the interview with Lynne Brookes talking about his drinking and how obnoxious he was when he was drunk. Her roommate for her junior year was Deborah Remirez. Here’s a link to GMA
ETA I see the second woman is in the video shown on the ABC page.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 1:08:58 GMT
CNN Here it is. Hope this works. I am technically dyslexic! I didn't mean to be impolite and just run with it, forgetting to say thanks. So, thank you for providing the source.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 1:10:12 GMT
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 1:14:59 GMT
Did anybody else see Good Morning America this morning? There were two women they spoke with this morning that were at Yale and knew Kavanaugh while there. I can only find the interview with Lynne Brookes talking about his drinking and how obnoxious he was when he was drunk. Her roommate for her junior year was Deborah Remirez. Here’s a link to GMAYes, the other woman was Liz Swisher.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 1:32:17 GMT
I guess it is just different personalities. My husband would react strongly if he got accused of what Kavanaugh got accused of and my husband is known for being even-tempered. But I think this would be too much if he truly was innocent. For the record, I think both parties are believable. My husband is very even-tempered as well. I would expect him to react strongly & with emotion. I would NOT expect him to deflect simple yes or no questions with unhinged crap about a witch hunt (gee wonder where he got that phrase), or try to blame the whole situation on a conspiracy by the “other team” etc. My husband would say, “Please investigate fully, I have nothing to hide. How soon can I meet with investigators?” AMEN
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 1:37:57 GMT
Making my way through this epic thread, but wanted to weigh in on my reactions; yesterday was so triggering for me I had to DVR it and take frequent breaks. I agree that Ford was an excellent witness. Without knowing what her normal demeanor is like, when she’s not testifying about her sexual assault in front of millions of people, I can honestly say that if she is as tremulous and soft spoken as she appeared, I have a hard time imagining her lecturing to a college class or delivering a paper. I think this worked to her advantage, as she presented as the antithesis of the strident female that sets off that cadre of old republican white guys. Not sure if this was how she really is or was a result of coaching from her legal team; if the latter, that was GENIUS. Which leads me to my next point that the spitting rage we saw in Kavenaugh and Graham was the realization of the death cry of the status quo of male entitlement and entrenched misogyny in this country. The hearing the Republicans designed for themselves didn’t do them any favors—the choppy 5 minute intervals, the use of Mitchell was better optics for them, I guess, but she still needed to wear kid gloves so not as to be seen badgering Ford. I think they had an “oh, shit” moment based on the quality of Ford as a witness and the above...and they were enraged that they were outmaneuvered. I think we’re going to lose this one; I think that lying sack of shit will be appointed to the Court, but women. are. so. done. Men are going to have their asses handed to them in the midterms and beyond. I agree. He is going to be appointed, I have no doubt. I loved hearing those women yelling at Jeff Flake earlier, especially the one who kept pointing out to him that this is exactly why women don't report these things when they happen and that appointing Kavanaugh is going to ensure they continue not to because no one cares.
No one f*ing cares.
Yesterday, this came up at my office. My boss is a staunch, right wing Christian who is gleeful over Kavanaugh. She started in about the usual crap that has flung at sexual assault victims, and I had enough, and ended up telling my story of sexual assault. I said that everything Dr. Ford was saying, I could relate to. Everything. My coworkers were stunned, I felt like shit, I was in tears, I felt bad for just blurting it out at the lunch table, but I couldn't take it anymore. They were all pretty surprised, very kind...my boss just sat there and listened, and finally said, "I'm sorry that happened to you." That is all. Then went to her office to watch Kavanaugh testify. I know that nothing I said changed her mind at all. Not even a tiny bit. All she cares about is getting that ultra-conservative person on the court, everything else be damned.
I'm glad it is the weekend. I am off on Fridays, so hopefully I can calm down before I have to go back to work on Monday.
Wishing you peace, comfort and calm. Many many hugs.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 29, 2018 1:46:40 GMT
I swear, somebody should alert academics to read these blow by blow threads.
We’re a sociological goldmine.
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Post by jayfab on Sept 29, 2018 1:50:22 GMT
I have to de-stress and need to unplug for the rest of the night. I'm emotionally exhausted and have been in tears so many times I can't count. Thank you all for your insights on this thread. I just want to say I hope everyone here has a restful sleep tonight. Hugs to all hurting.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 1:54:37 GMT
I swear, somebody should alert academics to read these blow by blow threads. We’re a sociological goldmine. I have thought that too..... A wealth of knowledge... Didn't know how or who to send it to.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 29, 2018 1:58:31 GMT
Let's not be so quick to believe Kavanaugh will get confirmed. I went to bed a bit dejected and it continued on as I waited for the vote. Imagine my shock when they decided to get the FBI to investigate!! I never thought that would happen after I woke up to breaking news that Jeff Flake would vote to send it to the entire Senate. Stranger things have happened . Today proves it. Let's not throw in the towel just yet.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 2:01:58 GMT
I swear, somebody should alert academics to read these blow by blow threads. We’re a sociological goldmine. Where were you? Did you miss all the tumult?
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 2:03:06 GMT
Let's not be so quick to believe Kavanaugh will get confirmed. I went to bed a bit dejected and it continued on as I waited for the vote. Imagine my shock when they decided to get the FBI to investigate!! I never thought that would happen after I woke up to breaking news that Jeff Flake would vote to send it to the entire Senate. Stranger things have happened . Today proves it. Let's not throw in the towel just yet. It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 29, 2018 2:06:00 GMT
Let's not be so quick to believe Kavanaugh will get confirmed. I went to bed a bit dejected and it continued on as I waited for the vote. Imagine my shock when they decided to get the FBI to investigate!! I never thought that would happen after I woke up to breaking news that Jeff Flake vote to send it to the entire Senate. Stranger things have happened . Today proves it. Let's not throw in the towel just yet. being the"perfectly running tight ship" that the WH is these days, my thought is if they try to hold something back it will probably get leaked. She Confronted Sen. Jeff Flake in an Elevator. Hours Later, He Demanded a Delay in Kavanaugh VoteShe is 23 and her mother learned of her assault while watching her on TV.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 2:06:08 GMT
I'm just finishing yesterday's live testimony. All I can say in response to reading this thread is, I am a woman, based on what I've viewed, I absolutely am embarrassed at the appalling political game being played at two people's expense that I'm witnessing here. God help us all.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 29, 2018 2:17:41 GMT
Let's not be so quick to believe Kavanaugh will get confirmed. I went to bed a bit dejected and it continued on as I waited for the vote. Imagine my shock when they decided to get the FBI to investigate!! I never thought that would happen after I woke up to breaking news that Jeff Flake vote to send it to the entire Senate. Stranger things have happened . Today proves it. Let's not throw in the towel just yet. being the"perfectly running tight ship" that the WH is these days, my thought is if they try to hold something back it will probably get leaked. She Confronted Sen. Jeff Flake in an Elevator. Hours Later, He Demanded a Delay in Kavanaugh VoteShe is 23 and her mother learned of her assault while watching her on TV. I have no doubt it will get leaked! Loyalties are temporary, at best, over there. I caught a voice mail CNN played from someone is her 70's who said she was assaulted at a young age and that she has never forgotten the experience after all these years. It's all so gut wrenching.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 29, 2018 2:22:51 GMT
To all the peas who have endured traumatic sexual assaults and survived.... all my love. This insanity has me remembering things from over 30-40 years (gasp!) ago to date. From the unwanted tugging on my first bra to an unwelcome, erect penis in my space... all those in the "innocent" school years. When I was in town I was talking to my DD and recalled a time after I was married that I was riding my bike and someone(s) drove by and slapped/grabbed my ass. It made me wobble and I just remember getting so angry that after recovering I started pedaling like crazy like I thought for an instant I could catch them and kick their ass or something. And that was when I was "older" and should have been more confident. Looking back now, I think I was more mad they could have knocked me over. The ass-grabbing wasn't even surprising. How sad is that? The school year incidents? Never told anyone. Just endured. Time WAY.PAST.TIME. to stop the madness.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 29, 2018 2:34:27 GMT
Thank you to allipeas and iamkristinl16 and casii and Just T and anybody I forgot for their exquisite courage here. Your honesty is astonishing; I can’t even imagine the maelstrom of pain and catharsis that results from the retelling. Calls to sexual violence hotlines increased 200% yesterday. It beggars belief that after all we are collectively learning (or, unfortunately, remembering) about the pathology of victimhood, some are still beating the same skeptical drumbeat about why Dr. Ford made a conditional disclosure, why she took a polygraph, etc. She explained it all yesterday: she was conflicted, afraid, unsure, didn’t know who to contact. Imagine: caucusing with friends on the beach, making those first tentative efforts to connect, getting advice to use counsel, calling lawyers from the Walgreens parking lot, and then heeding their advice to take the polygraph in case she fully divulged. All while trying to hide the situation from her parents and attend her grandmother’s funeral. But beat-beat-beat...something’s off, who acts like that?, it’s just so perplexing, it.makes.no.sense. Meanwhile, everything about Brett Kavenaugh’s choices yesterday makes.total.sense because of the life and death stakes. Stakes work both ways. Only one side of this stake can be pointed, though, no matter how much people pretend otherwise. We can’t set up a “He said; she said” showdown and then let the referee hold up both fighters’ hands in victory as the crowd roars. The wishful thinking, cop-out official narrative line, “She’s such a fine, brave woman...and he’s so justified in his anger” defies reason. Mucking it up some more with the vast Democratic conspiracy schtick creates even less sense, as that sucks every inch of wind out of the Brave Dr. Ford image pretense. No matter. The important thing is it creates a handy mustache-twirling villain for those happy to go along with the expository convenience. The DEMOCRATS tied Christin Blassey Ford to the railroad tracks. Good thing she had a one-piece swimming suit on.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 29, 2018 2:41:37 GMT
Where were you? Did you miss all the tumult? Running around to every thrift store and Craigslist seller in Los Angeles helping my second child to have abandoned me for the Sunshine State as she sets up “house” (read: cheap, urine-smelling building in Koreatown). I didn’t have earphones with me, so I’d walk around Goodwills with my phone (streaming the hijinks) stuck to my ear. Many thoughts. Much anger. Some pride. Posting interruptus, of course; hence the wall of words above.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 2:49:32 GMT
Where were you? Did you miss all the tumult? Running around to every thrift store and Craigslist seller in Los Angeles helping my second child to have abandoned me for the Sunshine State as she sets up “house” (read: cheap, urine-smelling building in Koreatown). I didn’t have earphones with me, so I’d walk around Goodwills with my phone (streaming the hijinks) stuck to my ear. Many thoughts. Much anger. Some pride. Posting interruptus, of course; hence the wall of words above. Lol. Yes, it's been a draining roller-coaster day. Have a safe flight home, good mama.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 2:55:12 GMT
MSNBC interviewed a former FBI field agent to answer some questions about how this investigation will be conducted:
(1) Agents will go door-to-door to interview people and also will encourage those who may know something to contact their field office
(2) On scope – he said that’s like a “wild animal” because once the information flows agents do not stop, they can keep asking questions and do interviews
(3) Agents will talk to Ford and all other individuals involved
(4) Agents can do a lot in seven days, but depending on how much information is uncovered, the time limit could also be an inhibitor
(5) On the issue of White House limits, agents are not limited; WH can try to limit but it can be considered obstruction even though this is not a criminal investigation
(6) Individuals can refuse to talk to agents or can say they don't remember, etc, and they cannot be forced to talk
(Add’l: Joy Reid said that reports will be shared with all 100 senators and their staff members.)
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 29, 2018 3:10:11 GMT
(2) On scope – he said that’s like a “wild animal” because once the information flows agents do not stop, they can keep asking questions and do interviews this is a good thing! but also NOT a good thing (see #4 below)
(3) Agents will talk to Ford and all other individuals involved (4) Agents can do a lot in seven days, but depending on how much information is uncovered, the time limit could also be an inhibitor (5) On the issue of White House limits, agents are not limited; WH can try to limit but it can be considered obstruction even though this is not a criminal investigation this is a good thing, too!
(6) Individuals can refuse to talk to agents or can say they don't remember, etc, and they cannot be forced to talk too bad...
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 3:23:59 GMT
Senate Judiciary committee investigators have much of the same authority to investigate as the FBI. Trust me, I've experienced one for more than a year. I refer to it as the year I had no life. They are not partisan pussies, they are quite good at their job and are relentless. The committee could/should have investigated this from the very beginning. In my experience and level of process knowledge, the call for FBI investigation is absolutely a farce and firmly based in political game play. Committee investigations are also open to other members of the committee. As much as I would love someone more centrist than Kavanaugh, and as much as I detest Trump, what is happening now is ripping shreds out of Senate rules and process that will have further reaching ramifications in the future I fear.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 29, 2018 3:27:50 GMT
(2) On scope – he said that’s like a “wild animal” because once the information flows agents do not stop, they can keep asking questions and do interviews this is a good thing! but also NOT a good thing (see #4 below)
(3) Agents will talk to Ford and all other individuals involved (4) Agents can do a lot in seven days, but depending on how much information is uncovered, the time limit could also be an inhibitor (5) On the issue of White House limits, agents are not limited; WH can try to limit but it can be considered obstruction even though this is not a criminal investigation this is a good thing, too!
(6) Individuals can refuse to talk to agents or can say they don't remember, etc, and they cannot be forced to talk too bad...Yes...I guess (6) is because this is not a criminal investigation so they cannot compel a testimony, but at least we know they have freedom (WH-free) to pursue the truth.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 3:29:55 GMT
The Senate Judiciary Committee can place persons under subpoena for persons to testify before them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 3:31:16 GMT
MSNBC interviewed a former FBI field agent to answer some questions about how this investigation will be conducted: (1) Agents will go door-to-door to interview people and also will encourage those who may know something to contact their field office (2) On scope – he said that’s like a “wild animal” because once the information flows agents do not stop, they can keep asking questions and do interviews (3) Agents will talk to Ford and all other individuals involved (4) Agents can do a lot in seven days, but depending on how much information is uncovered, the time limit could also be an inhibitor (5) On the issue of White House limits, agents are not limited; WH can try to limit but it can be considered obstruction even though this is not a criminal investigation (6) Individuals can refuse to talk to agents or can say they don't remember, etc, and they cannot be forced to talk (Add’l: Joy Reid said that reports will be shared with all 100 senators and their staff members.) 5 - forgive my ignorance but how is this not a criminal investigation? Wasn't what he did criminal?
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