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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 29, 2018 15:04:02 GMT
Classmate: Kavanaugh drank heavily
Liz Swisher, former Yale classmate of Brett Kavanaugh, told CNN's Chris Cuomo she never saw Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh be sexually aggressive, but said that he lied to the Senate Judiciary Committee about his drinking habits.
Source: CNN
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 15:34:40 GMT
Liz Swisher, former Yale classmate of Brett Kavanaugh, told CNN's Chris Cuomo she never saw Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh be sexually aggressive, but said that he lied to the Senate Judiciary Committee about his drinking habits. She said his drinking was frequent and he was a sloppy drunk. She said he seemed to want to impress the boys more than the girls........
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Post by Just T on Sept 29, 2018 17:23:23 GMT
Liz Swisher, former Yale classmate of Brett Kavanaugh, told CNN's Chris Cuomo she never saw Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh be sexually aggressive, but said that he lied to the Senate Judiciary Committee about his drinking habits. She said his drinking was frequent and he was a sloppy drunk. She said he seemed to want to impress the boys more than the girls........ Honestly, I thought he was drunk when he was testifying on Thursday. Or if not drunk, at least had had some drinks. The way he rambled on, kept repeating the same things over and over that had nothing to do with what he was asked. His face was red...I dunno, I've been around lots of drunks in my life, and he seemed if not drunk, then at least tipsy.
There is actually a lengthy thread in my FB feed, participated in by some of my relatives and a family friend (who are all very right wing Christian types, where they are all expressing their "horror" over his high school drinking, posting things like, "OMG! He DRANK in High School! Throw him in jail!" and other such nonsense. I haven't jumped in just yet, but oh how I want to say it is NOT about the drinking. It's about the heavy drinking, and that perhaps he had black outs, where he doesn't remember sexually assaulting someone.
I swear, some folks in this country have lost their damn minds.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 29, 2018 17:47:29 GMT
The right wing nut jobs are out in full force. I just saw ameme on Facebook that said I would rather drink and party with Brett kavanaugh than any Democrat.
I finally finished watching the testimony and I have to say he seemed unhinged. I expected a much cooler head for a judge. If he was falsely accused, I certainly expected some passion. Attorneys usually can be very passionate, but this resembled a loss of control.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 29, 2018 18:11:38 GMT
The right wing nut jobs are out in full force. I just saw ameme on Facebook that said I would rather drink and party with Brett kavanaugh than any Democrat. I finally finished watching the testimony and I have to say he seemed unhinged. I expected a much cooler head for a judge. If he was falsely accused, I certainly expected some passion. Attorneys usually can be very passionate, but this resembled a loss of control. It’s crazy, isn’t it? id rather drink with Kavanaugh than any democrat. id rather be russian than Democrat. Democrats are American. You may disagree with them on some things, but they care more about the well-being of America than Russians do. i would rather not hang out with drunks of any sort. I know many conservatives and many of them are good people. I would rather hang out with them than a drunk democrat. Its sad how the narrative is to make fellow Americans into the enemy. You could have a drunk rapist child-molesting thief who sells nuclear secrets to Russia and leaks the names of CIA assets in the Middle East, but they’re still better than any democrat, right?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 18:27:06 GMT
Honestly, I thought he was drunk when he was testifying on Thursday. Or if not drunk, at least had had some drinks. The way he rambled on, kept repeating the same things over and over that had nothing to do with what he was asked. His face was red...I dunno, I've been around lots of drunks in my life, and he seemed if not drunk, then at least tipsy. Add in 'cotton mouth' ... He became so belligerent I was afraid he would pee his pants with how he was gulping water. Or was it water?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 18:38:30 GMT
Washington Post has confirmed that the FBI will be investigating the allegation of Deborah Ramirez. They were classmates at Yale, which can open up the drinking issues.... Which opens up to all others at Yale and some of them have been speaking out already!!
In fact, drinking is: HS, college and law school. HS underage....... LIED about legal.. It was NOT legal at any time he was in HS... As the FBI moves on, it will gather more and more info and they will follow the trail................ Another thing... Him saying 'I have been investigated 7? times by the FBI" Someone today said they in investigate consecutively .. Each time they do not go back to the beginning: they start where they left off, unless something has come to their attention...... as was the letter from Dr Ford, which was added to his file. Most initial investigations start around 18.........
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 29, 2018 18:46:08 GMT
All I can say in defense is if I and my senators are part of the “gamesmanship,” I have no problem with it. I’m not lying awake at night lamenting how I and my representatives have ruined Washington. At the end of the day, this is politics, with two main parties of divergent values. Rarely shall the two meet, often shall the two joust. If anyone is bothered by how the Democrats are now opposing a lying and belligerent SC nominee, they have to look no farther than themselves to understand why. What’s happening right now is no aberration. It’s a continuation of the hardball tactics the Republican Party saw fit to employ for ten years now. It just galls them that Democrats know how to hardball as well. Denying a president his statutory protected right and privilege to seat a justice was just one part of the loud and ugly obstructionism that birthed and animated the Tea Party. As if the damage wasn’t enough, they saw fit to hand power to Trump, a man who eats gamesmanship for breakfast and regards sexual assault as the privilege of the rich and powerful male. So, no, I'm not going to shame myself for what’s happening now, especially after being accused by a Republican senator of “the most unethical sham” he’s seen in politics. It’s revolting that the man who spewed this was the same man who stood in defiance with his colleagues against everything a Democratic president was constitutionally empowered to do. And then crowed about it. THAT is what I consider THE most unethical sham. Gamesmanship? I say bring it on. Exactly how I feel. This outrage on the part of the right is laughable. Both sides engage in partisan tactics. Both sides. Denying Merrick Garland a vote or even a meeting was the last straw. The right is pissed? I do not care, and that feeling is widely shared. I’m pissed, too. If we do not defeat them, then we truly will deserve what we will get.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 29, 2018 18:56:55 GMT
It isn't like there aren't plenty of other qualified women or men who could fill this seat who haven't had the issues this man has had. Until they try to fill this seat, then the issues will come out of the woodwork. If a man or woman has a past, then we need to hear about it regardless of sex, religion, or political leaning. I feel like this guy has some issues even without the high school accusations. I also feel like his temperament is quite childish. Now whether that is because he is guilty or innocent, I don't know, but he doesn't seem to have the decorum that most other SC judges have had. Just my observations.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 29, 2018 19:11:32 GMT
@ricky that is such drivel. This has everything to do with kavanaugh opinions that the president is above the law. And that should scare the shit out of every single American. He has lied, he has refused to answer questions, he has been antagonistic. And this is the first supreme Court nominee on I've seen where it has been so ridiculously partisan. A supreme Court judge needs to behave with decorum. They need to treat each case fairly and on it's merits.
And did Democrats pull any stunts with Neil gorsuch nomination? Nope. Which should tell you something about this one.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 29, 2018 19:26:49 GMT
@ricky that is such drivel. This has everything to do with kavanaugh opinions that the president is above the law. And that should scare the shit out of every single American. He has lied, he has refused to answer questions, he has been antagonistic. And this is the first supreme Court nominee on I've seen where it has been so ridiculously partisan. A supreme Court judge needs to behave with decorum. They need to treat each case fairly and on it's merits. And did Democrats pull any stunts with Neil gorsuch nomination? Nope. Which should tell you something about this one. ❤️❤️❤️ perfectly stated!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 19:37:15 GMT
@ricky that is such drivel. This has everything to do with kavanaugh opinions that the president is above the law. And that should scare the shit out of every single American. He has lied, he has refused to answer questions, he has been antagonistic. And this is the first supreme Court nominee on I've seen where it has been so ridiculously partisan. A supreme Court judge needs to behave with decorum. They need to treat each case fairly and on it's merits. And did Democrats pull any stunts with Neil gorsuch nomination? Nope. Which should tell you something about this one. I don’t know that it is. I just read a tweet from USA Today that insinuated Kavanaugh is pedophile! Based on evidence? No. Allegations? No. Even a vile rumor? No. What caused them to insinuate such drivel, you ask. He coaches kids basketball.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 20:12:44 GMT
@ricky that is such drivel. This has everything to do with kavanaugh opinions that the president is above the law. And that should scare the shit out of every single American. He has lied, he has refused to answer questions, he has been antagonistic. And this is the first supreme Court nominee on I've seen where it has been so ridiculously partisan. A supreme Court judge needs to behave with decorum. They need to treat each case fairly and on it's merits. And did Democrats pull any stunts with Neil gorsuch nomination? Nope. Which should tell you something about this one. Except trying to filibuster through the confirmation vote to which Republicans changed rules in much the same fashion that Democrats changed rules while in majority under Obama aka using the nuclear option. Personally, I wish super majority would be a hard line over all nominees.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 29, 2018 20:13:26 GMT
@ricky that is such drivel. This has everything to do with kavanaugh opinions that the president is above the law. And that should scare the shit out of every single American. He has lied, he has refused to answer questions, he has been antagonistic. And this is the first supreme Court nominee on I've seen where it has been so ridiculously partisan. A supreme Court judge needs to behave with decorum. They need to treat each case fairly and on it's merits. And did Democrats pull any stunts with Neil gorsuch nomination? Nope. Which should tell you something about this one. Except trying to filibuster through the confirmation vote to which Republicans changed rules in much the same fashion that Democrats changed rules while in majority under Obama aka using the nuclear option. Personally, I wish super majority would be a hard line over all nominees. 100% agree with supermajority.
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 29, 2018 20:16:30 GMT
@ricky that is such drivel. This has everything to do with kavanaugh opinions that the president is above the law. And that should scare the shit out of every single American. He has lied, he has refused to answer questions, he has been antagonistic. And this is the first supreme Court nominee on I've seen where it has been so ridiculously partisan. A supreme Court judge needs to behave with decorum. They need to treat each case fairly and on it's merits. And did Democrats pull any stunts with Neil gorsuch nomination? Nope. Which should tell you something about this one. Except trying to filibuster through the confirmation vote to which Republicans changed rules in much the same fashion that Democrats changed rules while in majority under Obama aka using the nuclear option. Personally, I wish super majority would be a hard line over all nominees. I agree. It forces both sides to nominate moderate justices.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 29, 2018 20:19:59 GMT
@ricky that is such drivel. This has everything to do with kavanaugh opinions that the president is above the law. And that should scare the shit out of every single American. He has lied, he has refused to answer questions, he has been antagonistic. And this is the first supreme Court nominee on I've seen where it has been so ridiculously partisan. A supreme Court judge needs to behave with decorum. They need to treat each case fairly and on it's merits. And did Democrats pull any stunts with Neil gorsuch nomination? Nope. Which should tell you something about this one. I don’t know that it is. I just read a tweet from USA Today that insinuated Kavanaugh is pedophile! Based on evidence? No. Allegations? No. Even a vile rumor? No. What caused them to insinuate such drivel, you ask. He coaches kids basketball. I'm sure it was some nut job. This is not mainstream thinking. Kind of like the Pizza Gate nut jobs on your side.
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Post by peano on Sept 29, 2018 20:24:04 GMT
Senate Judiciary committee investigators have much of the same authority to investigate as the FBI. Trust me, I've experienced one for more than a year. I refer to it as the year I had no life. They are not partisan pussies, they are quite good at their job and are relentless. The committee could/should have investigated this from the very beginning. In my experience and level of process knowledge, the call for FBI investigation is absolutely a farce and firmly based in political game play. Committee investigations are also open to other members of the committee. As much as I would love someone more centrist than Kavanaugh, and as much as I detest Trump, what is happening now is ripping shreds out of Senate rules and process that will have further reaching ramifications in the future I fear. Merrick Garland
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 20:28:47 GMT
On the entire drinking in HS and college. If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. These activities they did to themselves and to me takes away from where primary focus needs to stay and that is did Kavanaugh ever assault/victimize women or not. Just my opinion.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 20:32:39 GMT
Senate Judiciary committee investigators have much of the same authority to investigate as the FBI. Trust me, I've experienced one for more than a year. I refer to it as the year I had no life. They are not partisan pussies, they are quite good at their job and are relentless. The committee could/should have investigated this from the very beginning. In my experience and level of process knowledge, the call for FBI investigation is absolutely a farce and firmly based in political game play. Committee investigations are also open to other members of the committee. As much as I would love someone more centrist than Kavanaugh, and as much as I detest Trump, what is happening now is ripping shreds out of Senate rules and process that will have further reaching ramifications in the future I fear. Merrick Garland Yes I understand. Wrong then. Wrong now.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 20:34:00 GMT
Personally, I wish super majority would be a hard line over all nominees. Yes!
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 29, 2018 20:46:30 GMT
On the entire drinking in HS and college. If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. These activities they did to themselves and to me takes away from where primary focus needs to stay and that is did Kavanaugh ever assault/victimize women or not. Just my opinion. I agree that a substance abuse problem, now under control, should not be a disqualification. Obfuscating, dismissing, lying and failing to acknowledge said substance abuse problem is. I’m not saying Kavanaugh had/has a problem with alcohol but his belligerent and obviously disingenuous responses to questions about alcohol consumption in high school and college are a problem for me and demonstrate an unsuitability for the highest court in the land. I apologize if this has already been said ad nauseum, I’m too tired to read all 36 pages. ETA I very much enjoy megop’s knowledgeable, insightful posts. Please keep posting. I love to see perspectives not in lockstep with my own.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 20:55:45 GMT
On the entire drinking in HS and college. If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. These activities they did to themselves and to me takes away from where primary focus needs to stay and that is did Kavanaugh ever assault/victimize women or not. Just my opinion. I agree that a substance abuse problem, now under control, should not be a disqualification. Obfuscating, dismissing, lying and failing to acknowledge said substance abuse problem is. I’m not saying Kavanaugh had/has a problem with alcohol but his belligerent and obviously disingenuous responses to questions about alcohol consumption in high school and college are a problem for me and demonstrate an unsuitability for the highest court in the land. I apologize if this has already been said ad nauseum, I’m too tired to read all 36 pages. ETA I very much enjoy megop’s knowledgeable, insightful posts. Please keep posting. I love to see perspectives not in lockstep with my own. Agree and thank you.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 29, 2018 21:00:14 GMT
Except trying to filibuster through the confirmation vote to which Republicans changed rules in much the same fashion that Democrats changed rules while in majority under Obama aka using the nuclear option. Personally, I wish super majority would be a hard line over all nominees. I agree. It forces both sides to nominate moderate justices. There you go. I want exactly zero partisan, extreme right or left judges on the Supreme Court.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 21:03:18 GMT
I agree. It forces both sides to nominate moderate justices. There you go. I want exactly zero partisan, extreme right or left judges on the Supreme Court. Sure would make the check and balance of the other branches way more effective right?
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Post by dewryce on Sept 29, 2018 21:09:39 GMT
On the entire drinking in HS and college. If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. These activities they did to themselves and to me takes away from where primary focus needs to stay and that is did Kavanaugh ever assault/victimize women or not. Just my opinion. I agree. His drinking when younger, even to excess, should not be the reason his nomination does not go forward. I've actually not heard or read anything suggesting this, but will happily admit I don't read everything and may have just missed it. That's not the problem. The issue is how he, under oath, was trying to minimize how much he drank, how often, and the effects it had. His answers were suspect to say the very least. I felt they were misleading and dishonest in several instances. And I think that is pertinent for many important reasons. 1) If he lied or mislead us about that information, how are we to trust his other testimony? 2) Someone who lies or purposefully misleads under oath is not fit to be seated on any bench, much less SCOTUS (and this isn't the only possible example of that so it makes it even more concerning) 3) Excess drinking could definitely have affected his memory of that night 4) Excess drinking could have affected his actions that night ETA: Should have just finished reading the thread and said ditto to jenis40. Side note: Jen, you've been 40 for a long time. Care to share your secrets?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 21:18:07 GMT
I don’t know that it is. I just read a tweet from USA Today that insinuated Kavanaugh is pedophile! Based on evidence? No. Allegations? No. Even a vile rumor? No. What caused them to insinuate such drivel, you ask. He coaches kids basketball. I'm sure it was some nut job. This is not mainstream thinking. Kind of like the Pizza Gate nut jobs on your side. It was USA Today.
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 29, 2018 21:18:24 GMT
On the entire drinking in HS and college. If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. These activities they did to themselves and to me takes away from where primary focus needs to stay and that is did Kavanaugh ever assault/victimize women or not. Just my opinion. I agree. His drinking when younger, even to excess, should not be the reason his nomination does not go forward. I've actually not heard or read anything suggesting this, but will happily admit I don't read everything and may have just missed it. That's not the problem. The issue is how he, under oath, was trying to minimize how much he drank, how often, and the effects it had. His answers were suspect to say the very least. I felt they were misleading and dishonest in several instances. And I think that is pertinent for many important reasons. 1) If he lied or mislead us about that information, how are we to trust his other testimony? 2) Someone who lies or purposefully misleads under oath is not fit to be seated on any bench, much less SCOTUS (and this isn't the only possible example of that so it makes it even more concerning) 3) Excess drinking could definitely have affected his memory of that night 4) Excess drinking could have affected his actions that night ETA: Should have just finished reading the thread and said ditto to jenis40. Side note: Jen, you've been 40 for a long time. Care to share your secrets? Lol. I had just turned 40 when I found the refupees. I was diagnosed with Leukemia a month later so I haven’t changed it is a reminder of how far I’ve come. I’ve been in remission since a Bone Marrow Transplant 4 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 21:23:16 GMT
I believe there are two specific issues here.
1. Is how the men on the Judiciary Committee have treated Christine Ford’s story. The men of the GOP get a F- .
2. Even if you don’t believe Christine Ford’s story you have to look at Kavanaugh’s performance through the entire confirmation hearing and especially his performance on Thursday.
From The American Bar’s Code of Judicial Conduct.
“Canon 1 - A judge shall uphold and promote the independence, integrity, and impartiality of the judiciary, and shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety.
Canon 2 - A judge shall perform the duties of judicial office impartially, competently, and diligently.
Canon 3 - A judge shall conduct the judge’s personal and extrajudicial activities to minimize the risk of conflict with the obligations of judicial office
Canon 4 - A judge or candidate for judicial office shall not engage in political or campaign activity that is inconsistent with the independence, integrity, or impartiality of the judiciary.“
In all honesty do you think Kavanaugh comes even close to meeting the standards laid out above?
In case you forgot, besides his performance on Thursday there is his evasiveness to questions concerning his use of stolen Democrats documents while in the Bush White House and where the money came from to pay a rather large credit card debt just before confirmation process started. And how he didn’t answer a simple yes or no question posed by Senator Harris about if he had a discussion about the Mueller investigation with this specific law firm. Kind of like he danced around the question he was asked did he ever have blackouts after drinking heavily.
His character makes him unfit to sit on the highest court in the country. The code of conduct may not be met by every judge in the country but should be mandatory for every judge who become a Justice on the Supreme Court.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 21:34:22 GMT
On the entire drinking in HS and college. If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. These activities they did to themselves and to me takes away from where primary focus needs to stay and that is did Kavanaugh ever assault/victimize women or not. Just my opinion. I agree. His drinking when younger, even to excess, should not be the reason his nomination does not go forward. I've actually not heard or read anything suggesting this, but will happily admit I don't read everything and may have just missed it. That's not the problem. The issue is how he, under oath, was trying to minimize how much he drank, how often, and the effects it had. His answers were suspect to say the very least. I felt they were misleading and dishonest in several instances. And I think that is pertinent for many important reasons. 1) If he lied or mislead us about that information, how are we to trust his other testimony? 2) Someone who lies or purposefully misleads under oath is not fit to be seated on any bench, much less SCOTUS (and this isn't the only possible example of that so it makes it even more concerning) 3) Excess drinking could definitely have affected his memory of that night 4) Excess drinking could have affected his actions that night ETA: Should have just finished reading the thread and said ditto to jenis40. Side note: Jen, you've been 40 for a long time. Care to share your secrets? While I don’t disagree with any point you made except for your perception/opinion of how he came off precisely because that is perception/opinion. And yes, I admit shocked by his emotional displays at times. Not very SCOTUS like to be sure. With that said, I believe innocence until proven guilty as a very important standard that none of us want to lose, which is why I’m angry at each and every Senator on that committee at how they have handled this entire thing. It’s been unfair to Dr. Ford, unfair to Kavanaugh and unfair to every person in this country in my mind. When I worked in politics (many, many years ago) I established then I would never subject myself to running for office or appointed position within government. It’s seems to be 10 times worse now or maybe I’ve just lost the fortitude to even stomach it all. Not sure. Maybe me sharing this will help peeps understand why I absolutely try to be open and take a stance of those elected to office need to do a freaking better job than they are doing now regardless of party.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 21:43:37 GMT
His character makes him unfit to sit on the highest court in the country. The code of conduct may not be met by every judge in the country but should be mandatory for every judge who become a Justice on the Supreme Court. Only NINE justices for over 300,000,000 people. Those very few chosen should be the absolute cream of the crop without any blemishes. He is not!
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