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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 23:14:52 GMT
His character makes him unfit to sit on the highest court in the country. The code of conduct may not be met by every judge in the country but should be mandatory for every judge who become a Justice on the Supreme Court. Only NINE justices for over 300,000,000 people. Those very few chosen should be the absolute cream of the crop without any blemishes. He is not! And yet only one President for all and look at jerk we got. From my chair the alternative wasn’t without “cream of the crop” issues of her own. They can do better, we can do better. At least I still hope so. Can you imagine if either one of the last presidential candidates faced the Judicial Committee? Egads, what a shit show. ETA: And I’m lost as to a solution of that beyond we the people banding together across ideology and demanding better.
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Post by megop on Sept 29, 2018 23:27:04 GMT
These multi-decade Senators need to go, but no one seems to want to vote “their” person out.
The Facebook hearing was downright embarrassing and clearly showed just how out of touch so many of them are.
But I’m getting off topic and don’t want to derail. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by Merge on Sept 29, 2018 23:32:39 GMT
Only NINE justices for over 300,000,000 people. Those very few chosen should be the absolute cream of the crop without any blemishes. He is not! And yet only one President for all and look at jerk we got. From my chair the alternative wasn’t without “cream of the crop” issues of her own. They can do better, we can do better. At least I still hope so. Can you imagine if either one of the last presidential candidates faced the Judicial Committee? Egads, what a shit show. ETA: And I’m lost as to a solution of that beyond we the people banding together across ideology and demanding better. We've already begun. Everyone is welcome in the resistance. Several prominent Republicans have already joined. I truly don't mean that in a snarky way. I hope you'll consider this a warm invitation and not a recrimination. In the current political climate, with a warped version of the GOP led by a crazy man in power, I believe that demanding better means voting in a change in power. Our current system is binary, so I believe that means voting for Democrats, even if their fiscal ideology is not what you might prefer. Once we have rid ourselves of the crazy wing of the GOP, then we can go back to being the loyal opposition with two valid parties. We can go back to being reasonable people who disagree about some things. We can't do that as long as our country is controlled by people who do not see reason. (You may recall that Clinton faced multiple investigations, including 11 hours of questioning and character assassination that turned up no evidence of wrongdoing, so please forgive me if I don't buy the "both candidates were equally bad" narrative. They weren't.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 29, 2018 23:37:20 GMT
And yet only one President for all and look at jerk we got. From my chair the alternative wasn’t without “cream of the crop” issues of her own. They can do better, we can do better. At least I still hope so. They only serve for tops, 8 years, but can be voted out after 4 years. Supreme Court is lifetime. These multi-decade Senators need to go, but no one seems to want to vote “their” person out. No problem here with setting term limits, but they will never do it for themselves...
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Post by hop2 on Sept 29, 2018 23:38:37 GMT
I think that is what the writer is saying. And you know, I absolutely believe Dr. Ford. But, based on things I remember from turning 18 in 1980, I absolutely believe that Kavanaugh doesn't remember - a combination of too much to drink and the incident not being that out-of-the-ordinary for him. Life-altering for her. Just another weekend for him. I believe this as well. Although his acting like he was not a drinker or trouble maker at all makes me think he may just be a liar. I had an incident in college where I was assaulted by some college athletes (division one school). I did go to the hospital and went to the police. I was humiliated and treated like I was lying and just wanted it to stop. The police told me everything that would happen if I pressed charges against the athletes (being in the paper, rumors on campus, etc). I dropped the charges. I would still see the guys around campus and they would flirt with me and act like we were “friends”. One night I went off on one of them and he was flabbergasted that I considered what happened to be assault (I think he must have thought I went to the police because my boyfriend thought I cheated on him? I’m not sure how they explained that to themselves). Anyway, clearly they had different opinions of the incident than I did. I think that probably happens quite often. Yup, I was told I’d be suspended from school if I pushed the issue because I was clearly ‘lying’ literally one adult believed me. Noone else thought it was a big deal even it it was true. The guy thought I should be thankful he paid attention to me?
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 29, 2018 23:43:24 GMT
Only NINE justices for over 300,000,000 people. Those very few chosen should be the absolute cream of the crop without any blemishes. He is not! And yet only one President for all and look at jerk we got. From my chair the alternative wasn’t without “cream of the crop” issues of her own. They can do better, we can do better. At least I still hope so. Can you imagine if either one of the last presidential candidates faced the Judicial Committee? Egads, what a shit show. ETA: And I’m lost as to a solution of that beyond we the people banding together across ideology and demanding better. I don't think comparing SCJ is even close to president. President is only for four years and the people can vote them out. SCJ is for life and the people have no control over it
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 29, 2018 23:47:39 GMT
I don’t know that it is. I just read a tweet from USA Today that insinuated Kavanaugh is pedophile! Based on evidence? No. Allegations? No. Even a vile rumor? No. What caused them to insinuate such drivel, you ask. He coaches kids basketball. I'm sure it was some nut job. This is not mainstream thinking. Kind of like the Pizza Gate nut jobs on your side. I went to look this claim up because our resident troll Ricky/Izzy frequently lies and constantly puts words where no one said them or posts out of context. (She hit the trifecta this time—all 3 are wrapped up in her post!!) I cannot find anything where USA TODAY called/inferred/implies that kavanaugh was a pedophile. In fact, the ONLY place that mentions the “pedophile” verbiage are the following “so called news outlets” —Fox, RT, National aReview, Red State, American Thinker, Chicks on the Right. So...it’s that right wing/conservatives base who is making those ugly, vile insinuations. AGAIN—USA TODAY did not claim (nor use the word) pedophile. There WAS a tweet from a USA Today reporter who made this statement: “The U.S. Senate may yet confirm Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, but he should stay off basketball courts for now when kids are around,” reads the article by a staff sportswriter.” It is a known fact that ANYONE working with kids—teachers, counselors, school staff, coaches, volunteers who have any criminal and/or sexual allegations are temporarily removed from serving in those capacities—they ALWAYS err on the side of caution when it comes to any allegations. This is just not a “picking on kavanaugh thing” NO WHERE did the reporter state or insinuate that he was a pedophile. So ricky/izzys claim is 100% false and irresponsible gaslighting and right wing propaganda bullshit (not surprised though).
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 30, 2018 1:54:35 GMT
I agree. His drinking when younger, even to excess, should not be the reason his nomination does not go forward. I've actually not heard or read anything suggesting this, but will happily admit I don't read everything and may have just missed it. That's not the problem. The issue is how he, under oath, was trying to minimize how much he drank, how often, and the effects it had. His answers were suspect to say the very least. I felt they were misleading and dishonest in several instances. And I think that is pertinent for many important reasons. 1) If he lied or mislead us about that information, how are we to trust his other testimony? 2) Someone who lies or purposefully misleads under oath is not fit to be seated on any bench, much less SCOTUS (and this isn't the only possible example of that so it makes it even more concerning) 3) Excess drinking could definitely have affected his memory of that night 4) Excess drinking could have affected his actions that night ETA: Should have just finished reading the thread and said ditto to jenis40 . Side note: Jen, you've been 40 for a long time. Care to share your secrets? While I don’t disagree with any point you made except for your perception/opinion of how he came off precisely because that is perception/opinion. And yes, I admit shocked by his emotional displays at times. Not very SCOTUS like to be sure. With that said, I believe innocence until proven guilty as a very important standard that none of us want to lose, which is why I’m angry at each and every Senator on that committee at how they have handled this entire thing. It’s been unfair to Dr. Ford, unfair to Kavanaugh and unfair to every person in this country in my mind. When I worked in politics (many, many years ago) I established then I would never subject myself to running for office or appointed position within government. It’s seems to be 10 times worse now or maybe I’ve just lost the fortitude to even stomach it all. Not sure. Maybe me sharing this will help peeps understand why I absolutely try to be open and take a stance of those elected to office need to do a freaking better job than they are doing now regardless of party. I find it very incriminating that he didn't want to have an investigation and she welcomed it. That in itself is VERY telling. It isn't unfair to Kavanaugh because he wanted only to be taken at his overly emotional word. It went how the dismissive white men making up 50%+1 wanted it to go. Completely biased toward the majority lacking any sense of partisanship and reeking of brown nosing. It is intended to be getting puppets into power, not about the good of the country and its people. This is where I see Democrats and Republicans differ greatly. I'm not talking you and me, either. I'm talking the people in power. If you're an elected official in Washington, you're probably going to get rich and you're probably not squeaky clean no matter who you are, but one side is actually trying to do something for the country and the other side is using the country for personal gain and they don't care who they kill to get there or what the cost may be for whoever is left in future generations.
Once upon a time holding political office was a sacrifice one did for the betterment of the nation. Now those who crave power will steamroll over anyone and everyone to get there because political office all but guarantees wealth and power. So much of our government needs dismantling but when we are electing only people with the strongest endorsements and the best access to money instead of the candidates that want to do well for the country (because no one ever hears from them) we are never going to get the people in office that would actually change things for the better. The path we're on is going to set us up for a revolution in our lifetime.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 30, 2018 2:03:09 GMT
While I don’t disagree with any point you made except for your perception/opinion of how he came off precisely because that is perception/opinion. And yes, I admit shocked by his emotional displays at times. Not very SCOTUS like to be sure. With that said, I believe innocence until proven guilty as a very important standard that none of us want to lose, which is why I’m angry at each and every Senator on that committee at how they have handled this entire thing. It’s been unfair to Dr. Ford, unfair to Kavanaugh and unfair to every person in this country in my mind. When I worked in politics (many, many years ago) I established then I would never subject myself to running for office or appointed position within government. It’s seems to be 10 times worse now or maybe I’ve just lost the fortitude to even stomach it all. Not sure. Maybe me sharing this will help peeps understand why I absolutely try to be open and take a stance of those elected to office need to do a freaking better job than they are doing now regardless of party. I find it very incriminating that he didn't want to have an investigation and she welcomed it. That in itself is VERY telling. It isn't unfair to Kavanaugh because he wanted only to be taken at his overly emotional word. It went how the dismissive white men making up 50%+1 wanted it to go. Completely biased toward the majority lacking any sense of partisanship and reeking of brown nosing. It is intended to be getting puppets into power, not about the good of the country and its people. This is where I see Democrats and Republicans differ greatly. I'm not talking you and me, either. I'm talking the people in power. If you're an elected official in Washington, you're probably going to get rich and you're probably not squeaky clean no matter who you are, but one side is actually trying to do something for the country and the other side is using the country for personal gain and they don't care who they kill to get there or what the cost may be for whoever is left in future generations.
Once upon a time holding political office was a sacrifice one did for the betterment of the nation. Now those who crave power will steamroll over anyone and everyone to get there because political office all but guarantees wealth and power. So much of our government needs dismantling but when we are electing only people with the strongest endorsements and the best access to money instead of the candidates that want to do well for the country (because no one ever hears from them) we are never going to get the people in office that would actually change things for the better. The path we're on is going to set us up for a revolution in our lifetime.
I know!!! The thing that kills me is that when kavanaugh was up, the republican senators totally erased Dr. Ford and went bat shit crazy on the democrats!
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 30, 2018 2:15:45 GMT
I find it very incriminating that he didn't want to have an investigation and she welcomed it. That in itself is VERY telling. It isn't unfair to Kavanaugh because he wanted only to be taken at his overly emotional word. It went how the dismissive white men making up 50%+1 wanted it to go. Completely biased toward the majority lacking any sense of partisanship and reeking of brown nosing. It is intended to be getting puppets into power, not about the good of the country and its people. This is where I see Democrats and Republicans differ greatly. I'm not talking you and me, either. I'm talking the people in power. If you're an elected official in Washington, you're probably going to get rich and you're probably not squeaky clean no matter who you are, but one side is actually trying to do something for the country and the other side is using the country for personal gain and they don't care who they kill to get there or what the cost may be for whoever is left in future generations.
Once upon a time holding political office was a sacrifice one did for the betterment of the nation. Now those who crave power will steamroll over anyone and everyone to get there because political office all but guarantees wealth and power. So much of our government needs dismantling but when we are electing only people with the strongest endorsements and the best access to money instead of the candidates that want to do well for the country (because no one ever hears from them) we are never going to get the people in office that would actually change things for the better. The path we're on is going to set us up for a revolution in our lifetime.
I know!!! The thing that kills me is that when kavanaugh was up, the republican senators totally erased Dr. Ford and went bat shit crazy on the democrats! Frightening isn't it? That we need a checks and balances system for our checks and balances system.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 30, 2018 2:23:13 GMT
Frightening isn't it? That we need a checks and balances system for our checks and balances system. Yes............
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 30, 2018 2:48:52 GMT
If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. It's probably too much to ask of the Republicans, but it would be nice if they charged him (or at the very least, NOT confirm him to the highest court in the land) because he lied repeatedly to the Judicial Committee. The sole blockage of confirmation shouldn't be his drinking, but I think LYING should certainly be a reason to block him.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 30, 2018 2:59:07 GMT
If Kavanaugh has an issue, I hope it comes out under the FBI investigation. O do have a bit of issue, however, that if excessive drinking occurred during that period of his life, but did not continue over the next three decades, that it is used as the sole blockage of confirmation when we’ve had Presidents of both parties admit to use of alcohol, pot, cocaine and other illegal drugs during same time period. It's probably too much to ask of the Republicans, but it would be nice if they charged him (or at the very least, NOT confirm him to the highest court in the land) because he lied repeatedly to the Judicial Committee. The sole blockage of confirmation shouldn't be his drinking, but I think LYING should certainly be a reason to block him. I read that the state where the assault happened doesn't have a statute of limitations on sexual assault. I would hope that the FBI turns over the reports to local authorities and that Dr. Ford presses charges against him.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 30, 2018 3:06:03 GMT
I read that the state where the assault happened doesn't have a statute of limitations on sexual assault. I would hope that the FBI turns over the reports to local authorities and that Dr. Ford presses charges against him. I would hope... but unless Mark Judge grows a conscience and actually remembers what happened, my guess is that there wouldn't be enough evidence to actually charge or convict him- and then it would be just a 'witch hunt smear campaign' against Kavanaugh. because they've all already started with the 'I believe something happened to her at some point, but it wasn't Kavanaugh' talking point.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 30, 2018 3:13:28 GMT
With the WH restrictions would they be able to go into the house on the calendar. Dr Ford did draw the rooms for them.
The WH is who the FBI gives their report, dt decides what is turne over to the judiciary committee.
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Post by lindas on Sept 30, 2018 3:20:23 GMT
It's probably too much to ask of the Republicans, but it would be nice if they charged him (or at the very least, NOT confirm him to the highest court in the land) because he lied repeatedly to the Judicial Committee. The sole blockage of confirmation shouldn't be his drinking, but I think LYING should certainly be a reason to block him. I read that the state where the assault happened doesn't have a statute of limitations on sexual assault. I would hope that the FBI turns over the reports to local authorities and that Dr. Ford presses charges against him. It's time this misinformation about the statute of limitations in Maryland is put to rest. If the victim comes forward the police said they will open a criminal investigation however prosecution is unlikely in Maryland because authorities would have to apply the law that existed at the time of the offense, not the law that exists now. In 1982 assault and attempted rape were both misdemeanors and subject to a one-year statute of limitations. The statute of limitations wasn't removed until the mid '90s.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 30, 2018 3:28:19 GMT
With the WH restrictions would they be able to go into the house on the calendar. Dr Ford did draw the rooms for them. The WH is who the FBI gives their report, dt decides what is turne over to the judiciary committee. Again basically making checks and balances useless. Exactly who thought this was a good idea? The whole point of checks and balances is to protect the country from people blatantly looking to abuse their power. WTF is the point if the person aiming to get someone appointed gets to filter out the content that would confirm suspicions? I just cannot with this shit. My husband's last job basically avoided writing things into their union/staff agreement because they'd always had great leadership and therefore didn't need to. Until they didn't have great leadership and he took full advantage only to be replaced by someone who did the same thing and ignored the terrible agreement that they did have in place that ultimately cost my husband his job because he was the only one (and most competent one) who didn't have his head up her ass. I've been telling my husband for months that watching the national news is much like we dealt with from his prior employer for about 4 years. There is no good in allowing people to make laws that they solely benefit from. Their need to be lawmakers who's sole job is to make laws for the 3 branches regarding pay, benefits, authority, etc and the public (by popular vote) could then vote for amendments to the pay and benefit for those lawmakers (otherwise it would become a tangled web of 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours').
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 30, 2018 3:28:51 GMT
I read that the state where the assault happened doesn't have a statute of limitations on sexual assault. I would hope that the FBI turns over the reports to local authorities and that Dr. Ford presses charges against him. It's time this misinformation about the statute of limitations in Maryland is put to rest. If the victim comes forward the police said they will open a criminal investigation however prosecution is unlikely in Maryland because authorities would have to apply the law that existed at the time of the offense, not the law that exists now. In 1982 assault and attempted rape were both misdemeanors and subject to a one-year statute of limitations. The statute of limitations wasn't removed until the mid '90s. Thanks for the correction.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 30, 2018 3:52:58 GMT
Dan Rather : 2 hrs ·
News is what the powerful want to keep hidden. By limiting the scope of the FBI investigation on Kavanaugh, the White House is daring the press to shed more light on what's lurking in the shadows. I expect my colleagues will not disappoint. Hold on to your hats.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 30, 2018 3:54:34 GMT
Check out the opening ofSaturday Night Live tonight........... Worth it!
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 30, 2018 4:27:48 GMT
I read that the state where the assault happened doesn't have a statute of limitations on sexual assault. I would hope that the FBI turns over the reports to local authorities and that Dr. Ford presses charges against him. It's time this misinformation about the statute of limitations in Maryland is put to rest. If the victim comes forward the police said they will open a criminal investigation however prosecution is unlikely in Maryland because authorities would have to apply the law that existed at the time of the offense, not the law that exists now. In 1982 assault and attempted rape were both misdemeanors and subject to a one-year statute of limitations. The statute of limitations wasn't removed until the mid '90s. Not so fast. In Maryland, assault with intent to rape and attempted rape are separate and distinct crimes. (1976 precedent: William Dean Christensen v. State of Maryland) Assault with intent to rape is a statutory offense and is a felony while attempt to rape is a common law offense and a misdemeanor. Hence, since assault with intent to rape is a felony, no statute of limitations applies. Further, according to MD’s revised statutes in 1981, “ assault with intent to commit a rape in any degree…is guilty of a felony and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than two years nor more than fifteen years.” I know you’re just going by the letter from MD’s State’s Attorney’s Office, but the claim on the letter that assault and attempted rape were both misdemeanors is ripe for challenge, specifically because of the above precedent decided in the Supreme Court of Maryland and the revised statutes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 30, 2018 11:46:34 GMT
Let us all send Mark Judge truth vibes!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 30, 2018 12:28:24 GMT
Hummmmmmmm.............. This is good! Trump rips NBC over report on limits to Kavanaugh investigationBY KYLE BALLUCK - 09/30/18 07:49 AM EDT President Trump in a tweet late Saturday ripped NBC News after the network reported that the White House was limiting the scope of the FBI's investigation into sexual assault allegations leveled against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh. “NBC News incorrectly reported (as usual) that I was limiting the FBI investigation of Judge Kavanaugh, and witnesses, only to certain people,” he said. “Actually, I want them to interview whoever they deem appropriate, at their discretion.“Please correct your reporting!” ** Bit more at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/409111-trump-rips-nbc-over-report-on-limits-to-kavanaugh-investigationIt is a tweet therefore it is fact!! The President's legal communication!
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Post by janeliz on Sept 30, 2018 13:05:58 GMT
Check out the opening ofSaturday Night Live tonight........... Worth it! I can’t stop laughing to myself about “I’m gonna start at an 11...and I’m gonna take it to about a 15 REAL QUICK!” The opening gave me some much needed laughter after a tough week.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 30, 2018 13:17:21 GMT
I read that the state where the assault happened doesn't have a statute of limitations on sexual assault. I would hope that the FBI turns over the reports to local authorities and that Dr. Ford presses charges against him. It's time this misinformation about the statute of limitations in Maryland is put to rest. If the victim comes forward the police said they will open a criminal investigation however prosecution is unlikely in Maryland because authorities would have to apply the law that existed at the time of the offense, not the law that exists now. In 1982 assault and attempted rape were both misdemeanors and subject to a one-year statute of limitations. The statute of limitations wasn't removed until the mid '90s. I’m not so sure about that either! I was looking to see what I could find, and so far this is what I found (I’m wasn’t sure if it applies): Sexual assault, attempted rape, attempted wiggling your wanker in someone’s face (sexual intimidation/violent) are all felonies, and these felonies don’t usually have a statute of limitations.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 30, 2018 13:21:18 GMT
Check out the opening ofSaturday Night Live tonight........... Worth it! I can’t stop laughing to myself about “I’m gonna start at an 11...and I’m gonna take it to about a 15 REAL QUICK!” The opening gave me some much needed laughter after a tough week. That's why I posted it. Even refreshing.......... Spot on! I just watched the long opening.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 13:45:32 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Sept 30, 2018 15:15:24 GMT
And yet only one President for all and look at jerk we got. From my chair the alternative wasn’t without “cream of the crop” issues of her own. They can do better, we can do better. At least I still hope so. Can you imagine if either one of the last presidential candidates faced the Judicial Committee? Egads, what a shit show. ETA: And I’m lost as to a solution of that beyond we the people banding together across ideology and demanding better. We've already begun. Everyone is welcome in the resistance. Several prominent Republicans have already joined. I truly don't mean that in a snarky way. I hope you'll consider this a warm invitation and not a recrimination. In the current political climate, with a warped version of the GOP led by a crazy man in power, I believe that demanding better means voting in a change in power. Our current system is binary, so I believe that means voting for Democrats, even if their fiscal ideology is not what you might prefer. Once we have rid ourselves of the crazy wing of the GOP, then we can go back to being the loyal opposition with two valid parties. We can go back to being reasonable people who disagree about some things. We can't do that as long as our country is controlled by people who do not see reason. (You may recall that Clinton faced multiple investigations, including 11 hours of questioning and character assassination that turned up no evidence of wrongdoing, so please forgive me if I don't buy the "both candidates were equally bad" narrative. They weren't.) exactly how is the current Republicans fiscal ideology anywhere near fiscal conservatism?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 15:17:39 GMT
John O Brennan....
“Key takeaways this week: Dr. Ford is a national treasure; Sen. Jeff Flake is an admirable man with a conscience, while craven politician Lindsey Graham is not; Kavanaugh’s temperament and blatant partisanship are disqualifying of a Supreme Court seat.”
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 30, 2018 15:21:11 GMT
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