lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2018 4:34:27 GMT
I have a question for all who think Kavanaugh has a drinking problem, anger issues and has committed numerous sexual assaults, possibly including organized gang rape of drugged girls in high school. Brett Kavanaugh has undergone 6 FBI background checks. He has worked as a clerk for the Supreme Court, was on the White House counsel team under George W. Bush and was on the US Circuit Court for 12 years. None of the issues mentioned above were discovered during any of these background checks or during any job performance reviews while serving in the WH or judicial system. That leads me to conclude the following: 1. The FBI is completely incompetent and unable to discover the most basic personal failings and serious criminal activity of those it investigates even when done by dozens of agents over the course of several years, OR 2. Brett Kavanaugh doesn't have a drinking problem or anger issues and isn't guilty of sexual assault, including organized gang rape of drugged girls while in high school. Which is it? Answer 1 or Answer 2? There is no reasonable Answer 3. Either the FBI completely failed or Kavanaugh is innocent of these accusations. This is a serious question. Elaine is right, it was 1993. Also, background checks are not done the way we assume they are. This was explained by a former FBI official. The FBI does not start from the beginning each and every time they do a background check on someone. They take the latest report and piggyback from that. If there is anything noteworthy in the intervening years then it’s recorded in that report. So if there was no report of a sexual assault or drinking problem stemming from high school and undergrad years from the first time he had a background check, it’s unlikely it would have been discovered unless someone had intentionally revealed it. Source: linkKavanaugh, a federal appeals court judge, has been checked out by the FBI before for a variety of government jobs – in 1993, 1994, 2001, 2003, 2005 and this year. It is unusual but not unheard of for something like an assault to have been missed. Ron Hosko, a former FBI assistant director who headed the bureau’s criminal division, said the most recent background check on Kavanaugh may not have gone back to his high school days, since he was subject to five prior investigations. “You’re talking about someone who has been in government service for some time, who has been the subject of background checks before,” Hosko said. “You’re likely going to begin an investigation where the last one ended."
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Post by PeachStatePea on Oct 2, 2018 4:35:55 GMT
So you're saying he hasn't exhibited any drinking problem or anger issues or sexual misconduct for the last 25 years? OK, that's reasonable.
How do you know he lied about the yearbook references?
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Post by dewryce on Oct 2, 2018 4:39:00 GMT
I have a question for all who think Kavanaugh has a drinking problem, anger issues and has committed numerous sexual assaults, possibly including organized gang rape of drugged girls in high school. Brett Kavanaugh has undergone 6 FBI background checks. He has worked as a clerk for the Supreme Court, was on the White House counsel team under George W. Bush and was on the US Circuit Court for 12 years. None of the issues mentioned above were discovered during any of these background checks or during any job performance reviews while serving in the WH or judicial system. That leads me to conclude the following: 1. The FBI is completely incompetent and unable to discover the most basic personal failings and serious criminal activity of those it investigates even when done by dozens of agents over the course of several years, OR 2. Brett Kavanaugh doesn't have a drinking problem or anger issues and isn't guilty of sexual assault, including organized gang rape of drugged girls while in high school. Which is it? Answer 1 or Answer 2? There is no reasonable Answer 3. Either the FBI completely failed or Kavanaugh is innocent of these accusations. This is a serious question. Or 3. The previous FBI checks only went back to 1993 - after college and high school - and didn’t cover the years that he exhibited gross issues with drinking, anger, and attitudes towards women. I know that the above is true. The previous FBI checks only went back to after he finished law school.
ETA: and now, regardless of accusations, etc., my issues are with Kavanaugh lying to the Senate and on national television about the meaning of those yearbook references and also the possible impact of all that drinking on his memory. I know how alcohol impacts my memory, and I drink a heck of a lot less than Kavanaugh appears to have. I would NEVER testify under oath that I was certain that my memories, while under the influence, were 100% accurate and complete. Thanks for saving me some typing! All of the above, and I will add that even if the FBI had gone back that far, I wouldn't expect them to find out about most of the allegations. If the victims didn't speak out, there would be no thread for the FBI to follow. We don't expect them to pull something out of thin air, it has nothing to do with competency.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 2, 2018 4:41:26 GMT
So you're saying he hasn't exhibited any drinking problem or anger issues or sexual misconduct for the last 25 years? OK, that's reasonable. How do you know he lied about the yearbook references? His testimony does not match up with what was in the yearbook. eta: Anger issues aren't always apparent, his family isn't likely to say anything, and others may not realize how big of an issue it is. Maybe his hearing was an aberration. Chances are it wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 4:46:51 GMT
I think their situations are vastly different and not at all comparable. She didn't receive death threats, her children and grandchildren didn't receive death threats. Totally different accusations in that none of hers destroy her reputation in the way that she is considered okay to banish from society. And some are so comically absurd that to consider them a threat to her reputation is asinine, so none of her situations would produce a reaction anywhere near or comparable to someone that has been accused of something that you would be removed from society for. Death threats against Hillary: www.google.com/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/jasonaleopold/this-is-how-the-secret-service-reacted-to-threats-against-hiAgainst both Hillary and Chelsea: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/world-news/hillary-chelsea-get-death-threats-26101251.htmlShe was accused of being directly and personally responsible for the deaths of Americans in Benghazi - both in the public sphere and on this board. She and her husband were regularly accused, without any evidence, of murdering several people right here in the US. You don’t think those things had an impact on her reputation? They were so widely believed that people refused to vote for her because of them. And yes, the whole point of the “lock her up”’ chants was to say that people thought she had committed a crime for which she should be removed from society. Are you telling me now that was all a big joke? Please don’t minimize any of that in your attempt to apologize for Kavanaugh. Again, if she had reacted to her accusers the way he has, she would have been laughed out of serious contention for any public office. That's a neat trick how threats that happened in 2016 would affect her response in a 2015 hearing. I guess time travel was needed for that one. And threats from 15 years before did not affect her response in 2015 either so neither of your links back up your claim. And being charged with breaking security protocols does not even remotely have the same social stigma as attempting to rape someone. One people can and do make excuses and justifications for, the other, no one on the planet finds it acceptable. Being falsely accused of attempted rape changes your life forever. The murder accusations are from nut job extremists and fall in with the "so comically absurd" portion of your equation that to consider them a threat to her reputation is still asinine. So I stand by my original statement that none of her situations would produce a reaction anywhere near or comparable to his.
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Post by mom26 on Oct 2, 2018 4:52:41 GMT
I am sure I will regret weighing in on this, but here goes.... Whether Ford was truthful or Kavanaugh was, the damage goes far beyond whoever wins in this current battle for power. The very foundation of our constitution - on which this amazing country was built - has been shredded beyond recognition and I fear we will never, ever recover. Blame the Dems, blame the Reps. Doesn't matter. Politics has become a blood sport and the blood is on everyone's hands. The only way to change the course of our nation's imminent death is to stop demanding political blood at any cost. Stop hating each other over ideological differences. Common ground is easy to find, if you step out of the echo chambers and truly want to find it. Lincoln said it best: "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."It seems Lincoln may have been right. We're doing more damage to ourselves and America than any terrorist group could ever hope to. Let's start with appointing someone who is ethical (honest) and non-partisan to the Supreme Court. Yeah, that sounds great. We could start with the two sides working TOGETHER to attain that goal instead of throwing chum in the water to destruct and destroy the other side. BOTH sides do it, one more than the other at any given time, but neither are innocent. THAT was the point of my post. You must have missed it.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2018 5:14:20 GMT
I am sure I will regret weighing in on this, but here goes.... Whether Ford was truthful or Kavanaugh was, the damage goes far beyond whoever wins in this current battle for power. The very foundation of our constitution - on which this amazing country was built - has been shredded beyond recognition and I fear we will never, ever recover. Blame the Dems, blame the Reps. Doesn't matter. Politics has become a blood sport and the blood is on everyone's hands. The only way to change the course of our nation's imminent death is to stop demanding political blood at any cost. Stop hating each other over ideological differences. Common ground is easy to find, if you step out of the echo chambers and truly want to find it. Lincoln said it best: "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."It seems Lincoln may have been right. We're doing more damage to ourselves and America than any terrorist group could ever hope to. Well, I can guarantee you that neither I nor my representatives and senators have “blood on our hands.” We’re forced to fight tooth and nail every single day because the Republicans have been playing dirty since the Newt Gingrich days, he being the don of the power grab. HE invented scorched-earth politics and the Republicans embraced it and perpetuated it for decades. Why don’t some of you call your Republican representatives and senators and tell THEM to stop “shredding the constitution” for a change? Why don’t you call them and tell them to release the tens of thousands of Kavanaugh documents they’re still hiding? Why don't you call them and tell them to stop imposing artificial deadlines on the confirmation just so they can get an extreme hard-right conservative on the SC? Why don’t you ask them why it was such a BIG deal and unreasonable when Dems were demanding an FBI investigation and then all of a sudden when Flake asks for it it’s easy as pie? Why don't you ask them why they stole a SC seat? “Lose our freedoms?” Who do you think is hacking away at our freedoms? The Dems who are not even in power? Just because it’s revoltingly ugly now we’re supposed to fault ourselves as well? Who do you think is fighting like hell to PRESERVE some of our freedoms? Sheesh, I’m really getting tired of this asking Dems to share in the blame and the responsibility. Blame Trump and those who voted for him, but don’t blame anybody else. WE did not ask for this. WE did not want this. Enough with this nonsense. I REFUSE to take responsibility or blame or shame for what Republicans are responsible for. Full stop.
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Post by mom26 on Oct 2, 2018 5:22:21 GMT
I am sure I will regret weighing in on this, but here goes.... Whether Ford was truthful or Kavanaugh was, the damage goes far beyond whoever wins in this current battle for power. The very foundation of our constitution - on which this amazing country was built - has been shredded beyond recognition and I fear we will never, ever recover. Blame the Dems, blame the Reps. Doesn't matter. Politics has become a blood sport and the blood is on everyone's hands. The only way to change the course of our nation's imminent death is to stop demanding political blood at any cost. Stop hating each other over ideological differences. Common ground is easy to find, if you step out of the echo chambers and truly want to find it. Lincoln said it best: "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."It seems Lincoln may have been right. We're doing more damage to ourselves and America than any terrorist group could ever hope to. Well, I can guarantee you that neither I nor my representatives and senators have “blood on our hands.” We’re forced to fight tooth and nail every single day because the Republicans have been playing dirty since the Newt Gingrich days, he being the don of the power grab. HE invented scorched-earth politics and the Republicans embraced it and perpetuated it for decades. Why don’t some of you call your Republican representatives and senators and tell THEM to stop “shredding the constitution” for a change? Why don’t you call them and tell them to release the tens of thousands of Kavanaugh documents they’re still hiding? Why don't you call them and tell them to stop imposing artificial deadlines on the confirmation just so they can get an extreme hard-right conservative on the SC? Why don’t you ask them why it was such a BIG deal and unreasonable when Dems were demanding an FBI investigation and then all of a sudden when Flake asks for it it’s easy as pie? Why don't you ask them why they stole a SC seat? “Lose our freedoms?” Who do you think is hacking away at our freedoms? The Dems who are not even in power? Just because it’s revoltingly ugly now we’re supposed to fault ourselves as well? Who do you think is fighting like hell to PRESERVE some of our freedoms? Sheesh, I’m really getting tired of this asking Dems to share in the blame and the responsibility. Blame Trump and those who voted for him, but don’t blame anybody else. WE did not ask for this. WE did not want this. Enough with this nonsense. I REFUSE to take responsibility or blame or shame for what Republicans are responsible for. Full stop. *sigh* And my point is missed yet again. I'm not laying sole blame at anyone's feet. I'm saying that EVERYONE is playing a part in a dirty, bloody game and if that doesn't change - from BOTH sides of the aisle - then everyone loses.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2018 5:32:20 GMT
Or 3. The previous FBI checks only went back to 1993 - after college and high school - and didn’t cover the years that he exhibited gross issues with drinking, anger, and attitudes towards women. I know that the above is true. The previous FBI checks only went back to after he finished law school.
ETA: and now, regardless of accusations, etc., my issues are with Kavanaugh lying to the Senate and on national television about the meaning of those yearbook references and also the possible impact of all that drinking on his memory. I know how alcohol impacts my memory, and I drink a heck of a lot less than Kavanaugh appears to have. I would NEVER testify under oath that I was certain that my memories, while under the influence, were 100% accurate and complete. elaine sorry quoting is not so well done here......... PeachStatePea FBI checks are consecutive. They do not go back to the beginning with each check, unless something comes up, which it has at this time. There are 1000s of clerks, judges in lower courts etc. The positions are extremely prestigious and lifetime appointments. There are ONLY NINE Supreme Court Justices out of 300,000,000+ citizens in the US!. The hearings are well advertised where lower appointments are not generally. Kavanaugh has numerous writings of personal opinions that cover some very hot topic subjects that might come before at Justice At the Supreme Court. Justices, as well a judges, should be impartial. His personal positions are not and he seems to have become very partisan. Two big strikes. Although there have been some serious charges brought against Kavanaugh, particularly sexual assault. His perjury issues are mounting daily. Well documented. Drinking in college is not that bad, but lying about about the assorted related degrees is a crime when speaking to Congress.. I posted this earlier and the list is growing: Let's see (some but not limited to.) Lied about connections to get into Yale. Lied about legal drinking age in Maryland. (18 was legal in DC at the time) Lied about excessive drinking. Lied about Devil's Triangle, and other entries in his HS bio! Lied about Renata ... His supposed friend.... Lied about possession/usage of stolen documents. Lied about possible sexual assault. These are easily documented! Kavanaugh had a very low approval rating before any of this came to light. The only other lower nominee was Bork.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2018 5:34:18 GMT
Well, I can guarantee you that neither I nor my representatives and senators have “blood on our hands.” We’re forced to fight tooth and nail every single day because the Republicans have been playing dirty since the Newt Gingrich days, he being the don of the power grab. HE invented scorched-earth politics and the Republicans embraced it and perpetuated it for decades. Why don’t some of you call your Republican representatives and senators and tell THEM to stop “shredding the constitution” for a change? Why don’t you call them and tell them to release the tens of thousands of Kavanaugh documents they’re still hiding? Why don't you call them and tell them to stop imposing artificial deadlines on the confirmation just so they can get an extreme hard-right conservative on the SC? Why don’t you ask them why it was such a BIG deal and unreasonable when Dems were demanding an FBI investigation and then all of a sudden when Flake asks for it it’s easy as pie? Why don't you ask them why they stole a SC seat? “Lose our freedoms?” Who do you think is hacking away at our freedoms? The Dems who are not even in power? Just because it’s revoltingly ugly now we’re supposed to fault ourselves as well? Who do you think is fighting like hell to PRESERVE some of our freedoms? Sheesh, I’m really getting tired of this asking Dems to share in the blame and the responsibility. Blame Trump and those who voted for him, but don’t blame anybody else. WE did not ask for this. WE did not want this. Enough with this nonsense. I REFUSE to take responsibility or blame or shame for what Republicans are responsible for. Full stop. *sigh* And my point is missed yet again. I'm not laying sole blame at anyone's feet. I'm saying that EVERYONE is playing a part in a dirty, bloody game and if that doesn't change - from BOTH sides of the aisle - then everyone loses. I didn’t miss your point at all. You want EVERYONE, regardless of party, to share the blame and the responsibility. And my answer was very clearly NO and it’s still very clearly NO. There is NO justification for Dems or anyone who voted for Dems to share in the blame and the responsibility for the shambolic mess we’re in right now. Blame the party and the voters who ARE responsible for it and put the burden of mopping up the blood on them.
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Post by mom26 on Oct 2, 2018 5:39:53 GMT
*sigh* And my point is missed yet again. I'm not laying sole blame at anyone's feet. I'm saying that EVERYONE is playing a part in a dirty, bloody game and if that doesn't change - from BOTH sides of the aisle - then everyone loses. I didn’t miss your point at all. You want EVERYONE, regardless of party, to share the blame and the responsibility. And my answer was very clearly NO and it’s still very clearly NO. There is NO justification for Dems or anyone who voted for Dems to share in the blame and the responsibility for the shambolic mess we’re in right now. Blame the party and the voters who ARE responsible for it and put the burden of mopping up the blood on them. We will just have to agree to disagree, then. It takes two (parties) to take the game to the level it's been taken. I can see the fault where it lies with my side. If you can't see the same in regards to your side, then I guess nothing will change.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2018 5:53:50 GMT
I didn’t miss your point at all. You want EVERYONE, regardless of party, to share the blame and the responsibility. And my answer was very clearly NO and it’s still very clearly NO. There is NO justification for Dems or anyone who voted for Dems to share in the blame and the responsibility for the shambolic mess we’re in right now. Blame the party and the voters who ARE responsible for it and put the burden of mopping up the blood on them. We will just have to agree to disagree, then. It takes two (parties) to take the game to the level it's been taken. I can see the fault where it lies with my side. If you can't see the same in regards to your side, then I guess nothing will change. “The level it’s been taken.” I suppose to please your desire that I “see” the fault “in regards to my side,” Dems should just have rolled over and taken it. They should just have shut their mouths and not made a fuss over an extreme hard-right SC nominee to spare the sensibilities of your side. Utter nonsense. You want change? Begin by calling YOUR senators and ask them the questions I enumerated above.
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Post by mom26 on Oct 2, 2018 5:57:29 GMT
We will just have to agree to disagree, then. It takes two (parties) to take the game to the level it's been taken. I can see the fault where it lies with my side. If you can't see the same in regards to your side, then I guess nothing will change. “The level it’s been taken.” I suppose to please your desire that I “see” the fault “in regards to my side,” Dems should just have rolled over and taken it. They should just have shut their mouths and not made a fuss over an extreme hard-right SC nominee to spare the sensibilities of your side. Utter nonsense. You want change? Begin by calling YOUR senators and ask them the questions I enumerated above. It's so ironic that you do not see how you are proving my point.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 2, 2018 6:01:51 GMT
Let's start with appointing someone who is ethical (honest) and non-partisan to the Supreme Court. Yeah, that sounds great. We could start with the two sides working TOGETHER to attain that goal instead of throwing chum in the water to destruct and destroy the other side. BOTH sides do it, one more than the other at any given time, but neither are innocent. THAT was the point of my post. You must have missed it. Didn't miss anything. I just don't agree with you. I'm not saying that Dems have never played partisan politics. But to pretend that we are where we are because of them...nope.
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Post by mom26 on Oct 2, 2018 6:05:53 GMT
Yeah, that sounds great. We could start with the two sides working TOGETHER to attain that goal instead of throwing chum in the water to destruct and destroy the other side. BOTH sides do it, one more than the other at any given time, but neither are innocent. THAT was the point of my post. You must have missed it. Didn't miss anything. I just don't agree with you. I'm not saying that Dems have never played partisan politics. But to pretend that we are where we are because of them...nope. Yeah, you did miss a big something. I laid the mess we are in at the feet of BOTH parties. Selective reading/hearing. A dangerous thing.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2018 6:16:54 GMT
“The level it’s been taken.” I suppose to please your desire that I “see” the fault “in regards to my side,” Dems should just have rolled over and taken it. They should just have shut their mouths and not made a fuss over an extreme hard-right SC nominee to spare the sensibilities of your side. Utter nonsense. You want change? Begin by calling YOUR senators and ask them the questions I enumerated above. It's so ironic that you do not see how you are proving my point. And it’s so ironic that you do not see your disproving your own.
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Post by cade387 on Oct 2, 2018 8:06:15 GMT
Didn't miss anything. I just don't agree with you. I'm not saying that Dems have never played partisan politics. But to pretend that we are where we are because of them...nope. Yeah, you did miss a big something. I laid the mess we are in at the feet of BOTH parties. Selective reading/hearing. A dangerous thing. So what are you proposing then? That the Democrats “prove” they want to be a part of the solution by letting the Republicans ram BK up their ass? That already happened with NG. It wasn’t enough for Republicans then and it isn’t now. You want to say that philosophically that our politics are screwed up and both sides need to be part of the solution- yes. But today, in this moment, it doesn’t fix anything to roll over and allow BK through when he dishonors the Constitution. That is currently at the hands of Trump and the Republicans. They can stop this, they can try to come back to the middle and offer a middle of the road, non-partisan judge who will uphold the Constitution, not go in as DT’s lap dog. No one is missing your point in general, but you aren’t offering what you see is a way forward in a practical way for the short term.
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2018 10:08:43 GMT
So you're saying he hasn't exhibited any drinking problem or anger issues or sexual misconduct for the last 25 years? OK, that's reasonable. How do you know he lied about the yearbook references?I watched his testimony. Google “boof” and “devil’s triangle” and you will understand that you, as part of the American public, were lied to. And that is just one of several lies. That he couldn’t just say what they actually meant and that he was a stupid teenager, but chose to lie instead and become aggressive with the senators, disqualifies him from being worthy of a Supreme Court seat, IMO.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2018 10:58:07 GMT
So you're saying he hasn't exhibited any drinking problem or anger issues or sexual misconduct for the last 25 years? OK, that's reasonable. How do you know he lied about the yearbook references? He lied under oath about the stolen emails. They released his emails that proved that. Even before we got to ‘the calendar’
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2018 11:01:12 GMT
Let's start with appointing someone who is ethical (honest) and non-partisan to the Supreme Court. Yeah, that sounds great. We could start with the two sides working TOGETHER to attain that goal instead of throwing chum in the water to destruct and destroy the other side. BOTH sides do it, one more than the other at any given time, but neither are innocent. THAT was the point of my post. You must have missed it. what was wrong with Garland? I saw no reason to not even hear the man.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2018 11:16:35 GMT
“The level it’s been taken.” I suppose to please your desire that I “see” the fault “in regards to my side,” Dems should just have rolled over and taken it. They should just have shut their mouths and not made a fuss over an extreme hard-right SC nominee to spare the sensibilities of your side. Utter nonsense. You want change? Begin by calling YOUR senators and ask them the questions I enumerated above. It's so ironic that you do not see how you are proving my point. and you don’t see hers either. Your only willing to deflect by insisting it’s everyones fault. The ‘blame’ is not equal. One side refuses to police itself at all. One side at least tried to Police itself and weed out proven wrong doing. Right now this particular mess is directly one sided. When one side refuses to acknowledge evidence of the crime of perjury and ignore it then it’s on them. I do not expect this to end well no matter which way it goes and that is directly a result of one side absolutely refusing to see or hear actual truth.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 2, 2018 11:45:40 GMT
So you're saying he hasn't exhibited any drinking problem or anger issues or sexual misconduct for the last 25 years? OK, that's reasonable. How do you know he lied about the yearbook references? His testimony does not match up with what was in the yearbook. eta: Anger issues aren't always apparent, his family isn't likely to say anything, and others may not realize how big of an issue it is. Maybe his hearing was an aberration. Chances are it wasn't. And there are classmates who have contradicted his denials and women who have said he assaulted them.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 2, 2018 11:56:24 GMT
Well, I can guarantee you that neither I nor my representatives and senators have “blood on our hands.” We’re forced to fight tooth and nail every single day because the Republicans have been playing dirty since the Newt Gingrich days, he being the don of the power grab. HE invented scorched-earth politics and the Republicans embraced it and perpetuated it for decades. Why don’t some of you call your Republican representatives and senators and tell THEM to stop “shredding the constitution” for a change? Why don’t you call them and tell them to release the tens of thousands of Kavanaugh documents they’re still hiding? Why don't you call them and tell them to stop imposing artificial deadlines on the confirmation just so they can get an extreme hard-right conservative on the SC? Why don’t you ask them why it was such a BIG deal and unreasonable when Dems were demanding an FBI investigation and then all of a sudden when Flake asks for it it’s easy as pie? Why don't you ask them why they stole a SC seat? “Lose our freedoms?” Who do you think is hacking away at our freedoms? The Dems who are not even in power? Just because it’s revoltingly ugly now we’re supposed to fault ourselves as well? Who do you think is fighting like hell to PRESERVE some of our freedoms? Sheesh, I’m really getting tired of this asking Dems to share in the blame and the responsibility. Blame Trump and those who voted for him, but don’t blame anybody else. WE did not ask for this. WE did not want this. Enough with this nonsense. I REFUSE to take responsibility or blame or shame for what Republicans are responsible for. Full stop. *sigh* And my point is missed yet again. I'm not laying sole blame at anyone's feet. I'm saying that EVERYONE is playing a part in a dirty, bloody game and if that doesn't change - from BOTH sides of the aisle - then everyone loses. You are doing exactly what the republicans do—-cause the issues or rampbthem up, then want everyone else to sit down, shut up and do what you (republicans) say. it is NOT EVERYONE playing the part RIGHT NOW. While there is certainly evidence in history that both sides have played a part, we are talking about there RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. Republicans are being over the top destructive to the foundation of the fiber of our beings, attacking everything held dear, lying like we’ve never seen, divisiveness we’ve never seen, and ramping up fear and anxiety like never before in history. And refusing to take responsibility for any of it, blaming everyone but themselves (when their lies and wrongdoing is factually proven) It’s a cop out to say both sides are seemingly responsible, (nor is is actually true)when it’s clear as daylight who is doing what RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 2, 2018 12:04:09 GMT
Didn't miss anything. I just don't agree with you. I'm not saying that Dems have never played partisan politics. But to pretend that we are where we are because of them...nope. Yeah, you did miss a big something. I laid the mess we are in at the feet of BOTH parties. Selective reading/hearing. A dangerous thing. No, we are not in the mess we are in because of both parties. Your “theory” just doesn’t work that way. Republicans have destroyed anything that could be considered partisan and then roll out lie, after lie, after lie.
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 2, 2018 12:21:41 GMT
Fun Fact
Kavanaugh was first nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit by President Bush in 2003. His confirmation hearings were contentious; they stalled for three years over charges of partisanship. Kavanaugh was ultimately confirmed to the D.C. Circuit in May 2006 after a series of negotiations between Democratic and Republican U.S. Senators. An analysis found that Kavanaugh had the most or second-most conservative voting record on the D.C. Court, in every policy area, in the period 2003 to 2018.
Just to clarify that this investigation is not unduly long. Or that Kavanaugh is not clearly partisan.
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2018 13:03:36 GMT
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Post by elaine on Oct 2, 2018 13:13:48 GMT
So you're saying he hasn't exhibited any drinking problem or anger issues or sexual misconduct for the last 25 years? OK, that's reasonable. How do you know he lied about the yearbook references? Here, you can watch him lie too. Again, look up “boof” and “devil’s triangle.” And also ask yourself if you want a judge with his temperament, who responds to questions with behavior he would *never* tolerate in his own courtroom.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 2, 2018 13:39:14 GMT
Yeah, that sounds great. We could start with the two sides working TOGETHER to attain that goal instead of throwing chum in the water to destruct and destroy the other side. BOTH sides do it, one more than the other at any given time, but neither are innocent. THAT was the point of my post. You must have missed it. what was wrong with Garland? I saw no reason to not even hear the man. I read that he’s still available for the job, and that he enjoys a nice frosty lemonade from time to time!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2018 14:05:52 GMT
Fun Fact Kavanaugh was first nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit by President Bush in 2003. His confirmation hearings were contentious; they stalled for three years over charges of partisanship. Kavanaugh was ultimately confirmed to the D.C. Circuit in May 2006 after a series of negotiations between Democratic and Republican U.S. Senators. An analysis found that Kavanaugh had the most or second-most conservative voting record on the D.C. Court, in every policy area, in the period 2003 to 2018. Just to clarify that this investigation is not unduly long. Or that Kavanaugh is not clearly partisan. They should have known this time would be longer! And why was Kavanaugh so clueless that it would be a problem.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 2, 2018 14:24:11 GMT
I have a question for all who think Kavanaugh has a drinking problem, anger issues and has committed numerous sexual assaults, possibly including organized gang rape of drugged girls in high school. Brett Kavanaugh has undergone 6 FBI background checks. He has worked as a clerk for the Supreme Court, was on the White House counsel team under George W. Bush and was on the US Circuit Court for 12 years. None of the issues mentioned above were discovered during any of these background checks or during any job performance reviews while serving in the WH or judicial system. That leads me to conclude the following: 1. The FBI is completely incompetent and unable to discover the most basic personal failings and serious criminal activity of those it investigates even when done by dozens of agents over the course of several years, OR 2. Brett Kavanaugh doesn't have a drinking problem or anger issues and isn't guilty of sexual assault, including organized gang rape of drugged girls while in high school. Which is it? Answer 1 or Answer 2? There is no reasonable Answer 3. Either the FBI completely failed or Kavanaugh is innocent of these accusations. This is a serious question. In addition to what elaine said, I would posit that people who see a man when he’s drunk, including ensuing behaviors that emerge or are enhanced when drunk, are often close friends who might not be as forthcoming - or, to be charitable, even insightful - when answering questions posed to them about temperament or suitability. This gets mucked up with questions of loyalty, denial, even self-denial or self-protection about one’s own peccadilloes. At a much less fraught level, our friends tell us all the time when they’re contacted during security clearance investigations of my husband. There’s always a good bit of joking, like “Well, I didn’t tell them about the time you [insert something stupid, silly, embarrassing].” Bad example, because my husband rarely drinks, but I suspect his friends would be protective about any ensuing behaviors if he did. As far as sexual abuse, haven’t we learned by now that abusers act one way with some women and one way with others? That their crimes are rarely known to even their wives? That victims keep secrets for a myriad of reasons? I mean, Bill Friggin’ COSBY, for Pete’s sake. At the least, we should understand that victims are not going to be on the lists of friends/neighbors/colleagues that the subject of the investigation submits. So, no, I can’t go along with the premise that “the FBI is completely incompetent.” I think history has shown us that the “most basic human failings” sometimes remain undiscovered - because of the person’s own efforts or because others don’t disclose out of ignorance or complicity or fear or shame. Or because they’re just not asked because they’re not at all on the radar.
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