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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 22:00:21 GMT
What exactly do you think he has to hold them hostage with?
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 22:03:34 GMT
I actually wondered how it would play with voters when the discussion was first raised if Feinstein held off turning over the letter for political purposes. I didn't think so then and one of the main reasons was I thought it would fire up the Republican base. 2 months ago every single Democrat I know was passionately focused on the November election - there was very, very little additional passion needed in that sector. Most Republicans "I" know were pretty disengaged. A bit of bury my head in the stand about Trump as they never liked him but wouldn't vote for Hillary (this is not an attempt to reopen a thoroughly debated topic - I know the vast majority of peas don't agree or understand that sentiment). I'm not saying they wouldn't have voted, but they certainly weren't fired up or engaged. With the Supreme Court now back in the news it reminded a lot of those hold their nose Republicans why they should vote in November. So interesting...thanks Darcy. I find the hypocrisy stunning, after what McConnell and the GOP did to Merrick Garland. But of course that's not going to matter to the GOP electorate. I didn't used to follow politics so closely. I'm so much more informed now than I was 4 years ago, and sometimes I still feel like I don't know much. I'm learning the value the GOP electorate puts on the Supreme Court this week. And maybe that's stupid to admit because I should have realized that that's what drove so many to the polls to vote for trump. We put value on the S. Ct because we tend to believe in a strict Construction of the Constitution and don't want social warriors as justices. But as Megop says, we're also driven by the economy and in keeping the government out of our pocketbooks as much as possible. Sometimes though, following politics can be gut wrenching no matter which side of the aisle you're on because the tables always turn. Democrats forgot this when Obama was in office and are now reaping what they sowed as far as the nuclear option. It was a very short-sighted decision on the part of Harry Reid and his supporters in Congress.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 4, 2018 22:03:59 GMT
I thought from the beginning that the FBI investigation was just for show. "OK, we'll investigate for 1 week"--that looks good and shuts up opposition. With so many constraints on the investigation, it is a joke to call it an investigation. it was a joke. even if they started last friday, they wrapped it up probably Monday in order to compile the info, summarize it into 1,000 pages, review it, print it, and have it ready by Wednesday night. how was that comprehensive? it was a 3-day "investigation" at most. certainly not at best.
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Post by megop on Oct 4, 2018 22:09:44 GMT
I don't know why I continue to be amazed at how so many people turn a blind eye to what was so obviously shown last week - that Kavanaugh is totally partisan, lied to the Judiciary Committee, and absolutely does not have the impartiality and judicial temperament to be a justice on the Supreme Court. They don't seem to care at all about that because he will vote to do what they want - and protect the president and overturn Roe, etc. The end goals seem to justify any means. I try to stay optimistic that we can turn things around - but I can't help feeling some despair about the damage that is being done by this administration and the Republicans in Congress. I hope things change before they destroy or damage Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security; a lot of people will be hurt if there are major changes in those - and they are being blind or stupid if they don't think it can happen. If it makes you feel any better, also in my circle of Republican women, we would all come unglued at an SJC Roe overturn attempt. Of course I hang with a pretty moderate crowd with me probably being the most center. While most of them hold dear a woman's right to choose especially during the first trimester of pregnancy, what they don't get are the social determinant barriers that preclude many women from access. Workin on em!
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Post by elaine on Oct 4, 2018 22:12:03 GMT
I don't know why I continue to be amazed at how so many people turn a blind eye to what was so obviously shown last week - that Kavanaugh is totally partisan, lied to the Judiciary Committee, and absolutely does not have the impartiality and judicial temperament to be a justice on the Supreme Court. They don't seem to care at all about that because he will vote to do what they want - and protect the president and overturn Roe, etc. The end goals seem to justify any means. I try to stay optimistic that we can turn things around - but I can't help feeling some despair about the damage that is being done by this administration and the Republicans in Congress. I hope things change before they destroy or damage Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security; a lot of people will be hurt if there are major changes in those - and they are being blind or stupid if they don't think it can happen. If it makes you feel any better, also in my circle of Republican women, we would all come unglued at an SJC Roe overturn attempt. Of course I hang with a pretty moderate crowd with me probably being the most center. While most of them hold dear a woman's right to choose\ I love you and think that this board, especially political threads, are better when you participate.
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Post by megop on Oct 4, 2018 22:15:05 GMT
I'm still not convinced though that the Senate will achieve a 51 confirmation vote. While voting Republicans may vote pocket books, Senators are typically all about keeping their office. With a 51/49 Senate, I don't believe it is a done deal by any stretch. I can only imagine the convos and pressure being applied to some of members right now. THAT is what makes my heart hurt. I have to assume there is some way wheeling and dealing going on beyond a SCOTUS vote right now.
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Post by cmpeter on Oct 4, 2018 22:15:15 GMT
This is so very true. I'm volunteering for a Democratic candidate running for the House in November. Last election the seat was won by 103 votes. Every vote really does count.
It's amazing talking to folks...the most common comment I get is flip the house, put some checks and balances back into play. I'm doing phone bank calling to self-identified undecideds and independents. My district leans conservative (although my state does not). I've had some of my faith in humanity restored by the calls and conversations I've had with folks.
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Post by megop on Oct 4, 2018 22:15:57 GMT
If it makes you feel any better, also in my circle of Republican women, we would all come unglued at an SJC Roe overturn attempt. Of course I hang with a pretty moderate crowd with me probably being the most center. While most of them hold dear a woman's right to choose\ I love you and think that this board, especially political threads, are better when you participate. Awe thanks love. I think of you often my friend. Smooches!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 22:18:04 GMT
A very core tenant for Republicans, even moderate ones like me, are economic factors. There were other person he could have nominated. Gorsuch went through with little difficulty. dt wanted Kavanaugh for personal reasons. Kavanaugh has written and talked about a sitting president should not be investigated and/or indicted... END OF STORY! Assault aside, Kavanaugh has lied to the committee and was beligerent with his answers to some of the Senators in last week's hearing. Those 2 reasons alone should disqualify him. LIES!! Let's see (some but not limited to.) Lied about connections to get into Yale. (Legacy admission, grandfather attended) Lied about legal drinking age in Maryland. Maryland July 1, 1982 age raised from 18-21. He was not 21 at anytime in HS)(18 was legal in DC at the time) Lied about excessive drinking. Lied about Devil's Triangle, and other entries in his HS yearbook. (sexual 'games')! Lied about Renata ... His supposed friend.... Lied about possession/usage of stolen documents. (e-mails from Democrats, Kavanaugh had sent and received by him!!) Lied about possible sexual assault. Lies = perjury . He lies to the SJC!
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Post by PLurker on Oct 4, 2018 22:18:30 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 22:21:35 GMT
If it makes you feel any better, also in my circle of Republican women, we would all come unglued at an SJC Roe overturn attempt. Of course I hang with a pretty moderate crowd with me probably being the most center. While most of them hold dear a woman's right to choose especially during the first trimester of pregnancy, what they don't get are the social determinant barriers that preclude many women from access. Workin on em! Thank you!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 22:26:47 GMT
Excerpt from the article, and his reason.
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Post by pyccku on Oct 4, 2018 22:30:31 GMT
It's bad to see that so many people - lawyers, the ABA, former SCJ, etc. - have all said that he is not SCJ material, and yet the GOP wants to force him into the seat. Were there no other suitable candidates? Or is this the best guy they have?
To know that McConnell had concerns about him but now is willing to overlook them says a lot. So many of these GOP 'leaders' have instead chosen to bend the knee rather than consider what is good for the future of the country. Already the executive branch is seem as less than legitimate by many who would like to know exactly how much of a hand Russia had in the election. The same can be said about the legislative. And now the judicial will have on its highest court a man of questionable morality and willingness to look above party politics. All three branches within 2 short years - to the point where people are seriously asking if the US is heading towards a civil war or some sort of major upheaval.
I had none of these fears when Bush was president. I didn't agree with him and I thought he was morally lacking in some areas (like his rush to invade Iraq and willingness to accept thousands of civilians as collateral damage). But I didn't think he was trying to divide and destroy the country. If it would benefit Trump financially or personally, I can absolutely see him burning everything to the ground to get out of trouble - or even worse, just to profit.
Knowing that there are people here who feel no qualms about attacking a victim of a sexual assault - a complete stranger that they don't even know - just because "their guy" looks bad because of it - really makes me question whether or not I belong here. The path that we are heading down - accepting a lower and lower bar for behavior we expect from our leaders, using cages to lock up children because they don't have right papers, mocking private citizens because they disagree with us politically (the Khan family, Dr. Ford, and more) - this is not the path I care to travel down. This is not the group I wish to be associated with.
I guess November will show if there are more people like them - or more people like me. I'll be seriously pondering my next steps if we don't reverse course. Not out of anger, but because I will have (sadly) come to the conclusion that these are not my people, and this is no longer my country. It will be a country full of people that I thought I knew - people who are for the most part kind and helpful - but who were really hiding their feelings behind a veneer of Christian values and a fake smile.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 4, 2018 22:30:36 GMT
I'm still not convinced though that the Senate will achieve a 51 confirmation vote. While voting Republicans may vote pocket books, Senators are typically all about keeping their office. With a 51/49 Senate, I don't believe it is a done deal by any stretch. I can only imagine the convos and pressure being applied to some of members right now. THAT is what makes my heart hurt. I have to assume there is some way wheeling and dealing going on beyond a SCOTUS vote right now. Thinking pence may be needed to push him thru - right now I think the ND Democrat down in the polls (sorry on my phone and her name escapes me) may flip and 2 Republicans - but man I can’t imagine the arm twisting going on
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Post by tara on Oct 4, 2018 22:39:39 GMT
It didn’t take long for the trolls to be horrible to people sharing. It’s ingrained in their character. Just remember—anything you share, the trolls will use to belittle and demean you. It doesn’t matter to me. Antidepressants have saved my life over the years. I will not let anyone shame me or anybody else because of it.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 22:55:39 GMT
I'm not trying to shame you for needing anti-depressants. I think saying that you needed to up the dosage because you were so upset over the results of a presidential election is a bit dramatic.
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Post by tara on Oct 4, 2018 23:16:11 GMT
I'm not trying to shame you for needing anti-depressants. I think saying that you needed to up the dosage because you were so upset over the results of a presidential election is a bit dramatic. Nope. Not in my eyes.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 23:19:15 GMT
Well, I was making a statement about how it looks through my eyes. There's a reason the term Trump Derangement Syndrome was coined.
I hate Hillary Clinton with a passion but I would not have needed to up my meds or bawled my eyes out if she won. And yeah, yeah, because you think there would be no reason to. Hey, if the upped dosage gets you through the day, more power to you.
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 4, 2018 23:24:27 GMT
I'm not trying to shame you for needing anti-depressants. I think saying that you needed to up the dosage because you were so upset over the results of a presidential election is a bit dramatic. This statement, from you, is hardly a surprise.
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2018 23:24:32 GMT
I don't know why I continue to be amazed at how so many people turn a blind eye to what was so obviously shown last week - that Kavanaugh is totally partisan, lied to the Judiciary Committee, and absolutely does not have the impartiality and judicial temperament to be a justice on the Supreme Court. They don't seem to care at all about that because he will vote to do what they want - and protect the president and overturn Roe, etc. The end goals seem to justify any means. I try to stay optimistic that we can turn things around - but I can't help feeling some despair about the damage that is being done by this administration and the Republicans in Congress. I hope things change before they destroy or damage Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security; a lot of people will be hurt if there are major changes in those - and they are being blind or stupid if they don't think it can happen. If it makes you feel any better, also in my circle of Republican women, we would all come unglued at an SJC Roe overturn attempt. Of course I hang with a pretty moderate crowd with me probably being the most center. While most of them hold dear a woman's right to choose especially during the first trimester of pregnancy, what they don't get are the social determinant barriers that preclude many women from access. Workin on em! Thank you for saying this. It does give me hope.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 23:25:14 GMT
Knowing that there are people here who feel no qualms about attacking a victim of a sexual assault - a complete stranger that they don't even know - just because "their guy" looks bad because of it - really makes me question whether or not I belong here. The path that we are heading down - accepting a lower and lower bar for behavior we expect from our leaders, using cages to lock up children because they don't have right papers, mocking private citizens because they disagree with us politically (the Khan family, Dr. Ford, and more) - this is not the path I care to travel down. This is not the group I wish to be associated with. You do belong here as do most of us.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 4, 2018 23:27:20 GMT
I'm not trying to shame you for needing anti-depressants. I think saying that you needed to up the dosage because you were so upset over the results of a presidential election is a bit dramatic. perhaps she can share your assessment for what is worth, with her medical professional.
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Post by jenis40 on Oct 4, 2018 23:31:21 GMT
I'm still not convinced though that the Senate will achieve a 51 confirmation vote. While voting Republicans may vote pocket books, Senators are typically all about keeping their office. With a 51/49 Senate, I don't believe it is a done deal by any stretch. I can only imagine the convos and pressure being applied to some of members right now. THAT is what makes my heart hurt. I have to assume there is some way wheeling and dealing going on beyond a SCOTUS vote right now. Thinking pence may be needed to push him thru - right now I think the ND Democrat down in the polls (sorry on my phone and her name escapes me) may flip and 2 Republicans - but man I can’t imagine the arm twisting going on Heitkamp (ND senator) seems to be a pretty firm no but I think Manchin will probably vote yes if Flake, Collins and Murkowski do.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 23:31:34 GMT
I'm not trying to shame you for needing anti-depressants. I think saying that you needed to up the dosage because you were so upset over the results of a presidential election is a bit dramatic. perhaps she can share your assessment for what is worth, with her medical professional. LOL....every celebrity and nitwit out there voices their opinion on everything and you've got a problem with this? OK. I'll take your disapproval under consideration.
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 23:32:31 GMT
Thinking pence may be needed to push him thru - right now I think the ND Democrat down in the polls (sorry on my phone and her name escapes me) may flip and 2 Republicans - but man I can’t imagine the arm twisting going on Heitkamp (ND senator) seems to be a pretty firm no. And its looking more and more like this will be one her last votes in office but she's behind in the polls and her no vote will likely lead to her loss. If that's the case, good. I'm tired of politicians who put their own interests and the party's interest above those of the people that put them in office.
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Post by tara on Oct 4, 2018 23:37:10 GMT
Well, I was making a statement about how it looks through my eyes. There's a reason the term Trump Derangement Syndrome was coined. I hate Hillary Clinton with a passion but I would not have needed to up my meds or bawled my eyes out if she won. And yeah, yeah, because you think there would be no reason to. Hey, if the upped dosage gets you through the day, more power to you. Our lives are different. What matters in my life might not matter in yours. I might have more to lose than you.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 4, 2018 23:39:49 GMT
perhaps she can share your assessment for what is worth, with her medical professional. LOL....every celebrity and nitwit out there voices their opinion on everything and you've got a problem with this? OK. I'll take your disapproval under consideration. you are free to share your opinion on anything you want. I'm free to share mine that you have made such an stupid, uniformed opinion based on little to no information you have. ETA AmeliaBloomer yeah, I know. I'm out
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Post by #notLauren on Oct 4, 2018 23:43:23 GMT
It was Tara herself who said that when Trump won the election she had to see your therapist to up the dosage of meds. I relied on her own words about her own emotional and mental wellbeing. If that was a stupid basis on which to form an opinion, ok. Lesson learned. If you ever make a statement about yourself, I will consider it a stupid basis upon which to form an opinion about you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 4, 2018 23:44:18 GMT
This is so very true. I'm volunteering for a Democratic candidate running for the House in November. Last election the seat was won by 103 votes. Every vote really does count. It's amazing talking to folks...the most common comment I get is flip the house, put some checks and balances back into play. I'm doing phone bank calling to self-identified undecideds and independents. My district leans conservative (although my state does not). I've had some of my faith in humanity restored by the calls and conversations I've had with folks. I made calls today to our Democratic offices to see where I could help.
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Post by amom23 on Oct 4, 2018 23:48:32 GMT
Heitkamp (ND senator) seems to be a pretty firm no. And its looking more and more like this will be one her last votes in office but she's behind in the polls and her no vote will likely lead to her loss. If that's the case, good. I'm tired of politicians who put their own interests and the party's interest above those of the people that put them in office. If you'd do any research you discover Heidi was down by 10 pts in her last election and won. None of the major news outlets are commenting on the farm tariffs. ND farmers have been hit HARD and Kevin Cramer doesn't have much of a message other than to tell farmers to suck it up and hang in there. My point is there is a lot more at stack for ND voters than this court nominee.
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