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Post by #notLauren on Oct 5, 2018 12:24:33 GMT
It was Tara herself who said that when Trump won the election she had to see your therapist to up the dosage of meds. I relied on her own words about her own emotional and mental wellbeing. If that was a stupid basis on which to form an opinion, ok. Lesson learned. If you ever make a statement about yourself, I will consider it a stupid basis upon which to form an opinion about you. I was going to let this drop but I do have to say this. Depression and Suicides run in my family. I have an aunt and an uncle who have killed themselves and several cousins who have tried. Im not ashamed of it. In fact I’m an open book about it. I would like to think people can come to me for advice or just to listen to them and understand. I also have an illness that people who have it are 10 times more likely to kill themselves. I also have 3 adopted kids. Adopted kids are 4 times more likely to kill themselves. So I take mental health very seriously. Anything can trigger a downward spiral. And depression isn’t always “bawling your eyes out.” Mine makes me into a zombie or like I’m living in a fog. I’m not really directing this to Lauren per say but it’s an important message and it’s important to clear up misconceptions. First and foremost, I apologize for my comments. Second, although I had said I was not going to bother with this anymore, based upon the seriousness and the honesty of your post, I will again say, I am not Lauren.
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Post by pyccku on Oct 5, 2018 12:42:23 GMT
ABSOLUTELY! Your insight into the Russia stuff has been invaluable! pyccku YOU were talking about it before the media even really started picking it up. You have added so much to our understanding! Thank you! Sometimes I really wish I didn't know about how Russia operates, because I see us heading down that path and it scares me. Putting "your guy" on the bench so you can have protection is not a good path for a democracy, but it's exactly how Russia operates. Justice isn't really a thing over there. If you're a crime victim and you're rich, you'll probably be able to get the criminal convicted and punished. But if you don't have connections or money, it's just not going to be a priority. And if you make some enemy who has money and power, you may find yourself arrested with a sham trial and conviction, and it won't matter how good your alibi is or how many people you have who can corroborate your story - the prosecutor will get fake evidence, or they just won't look at anything that might exonerate you. So basically some are above the law, and some have no way to escape the law no matter what they do. I see Trump mocking Dr. Ford and all of the people cheering and laughing along with him - who are these people? I feel like I don't have anything at all in common with them. Is this the 'moral majority' I hear about? Are these the 'real Americans' who pass judgment on the rest of us? Are these the 'fine Christians' who are supposed to be leading the way as shining examples of their faith? How can I ever hope to get along with people like this - people who seem to be lacking the basic humanity of not mocking a person who may have been the victim of a horrible, violent crime? I don't want to be associated with these people in any way - I don't want to share oxygen with them, I don't want to subsidize their lives, I don't want to live by their rules, I don't see how the same government that represents their wishes could possibly represent my wishes as well. We either have a government who recognizes that the mocking of victims is a good thing (and this will be reflected in our laws and justice system) or we have a government who doesn't mock victims but tries to find justice for them. I try to be a kind person to everyone. I know a woman who I thought was also a kind and decent person. Our daughters have been friends forever, so I've known them both for years. She posts a lot of "honor Jesus" or "prayer belongs in school" type of things on her FB. After Trump's election, she posted a huge attack on liberals/democrats. She accused them of all sorts of horrible things - some were absolutely ridiculous. Her daughter is following in her tracks. My DD called me up and asked if I thought they hated her, since she's fairly liberal. One of the things the woman attacked in the post was "college students" because they are all trying to destroy the country and infect us with horrible liberal, educated ideas - DD is currently one of those horrible college students. I did respond to the post and tell her that the things she was saying really didn't match up with the person I had always known her to be, and it made me sad to think that she really didn't like me at all because I was a liberal (I'm actually pretty moderate on a lot of things, but I fit in a bunch of her boxes for evil people - college educated, drive a hybrid, believe in science, not religious, etc). She deleted it and never responded. So what am I to think - which one is the true 'her'? Is it the one posting Jesus-y stuff? Or the one filled with hatred for people she has disagreements with - most of them straw men? I unfollowed her from time to time, but every once in a while I look - as I expected, she attacks Dr. Ford, loves Judge Kavanaugh, and still posts a bunch of Jesus stuff. So I have to take from that the being a Christian in America does equate to being this type of person. It doesn't match with the Jesus I see in the Bible, but since you'll know them by their fruit, it is what it is. I know where she works and used to stop by sometimes to grab a drink or snack. I haven't gone to that store since she posted her attack. When I say I don't care to associate with people like that, I really do try to follow through. Even if it's just for 2 minutes, I don't want to support this behavior or expose myself to the hatred.
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Post by megop on Oct 5, 2018 13:14:05 GMT
OH my!! PLEASE hold the vote Saturday! GOP senator may miss Kavanaugh vote for daughter’s weddingBY TAL AXELROD - 10/04/18 07:22 PM EDT A GOP senator may miss a Senate confirmation vote for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh this weekend because his daughter is getting married on Saturday. Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) will walk his daughter down the aisle for her wedding regardless of the timing of the vote, a Daines spokesperson confirmed to The Hill. Senate Republican leaders plan to hold a key procedural vote Friday morning, setting up a potential confirmation vote for Saturday afternoon. It is unclear if Daines’ trip will impact the timing of the vote. “If there is any change to timing or any announcements on votes, we’ll be sure to get the info out as we always do,” a spokesperson for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) office said in a statement to The Hill. Republicans currently hold a 51-49 majority in the Senate and can only afford one defection if Democrats unanimously vote against Kavanaugh. Three Republicans remained undecided on Thursday. Daines would be a reliable vote in favor of Kavanaugh. thehill.com/homenews/senate/410019-daines-to-miss-kavanaugh-vote-for-daughters-weddingCNN says vote can't be moved and if Daines vote is needed, McConnell would have to hold the vote open until his return. More interesting tidbits from the article about looking what to watch for after gavel opening this morning from the undecideds. Senate State of Play from CNN
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Post by megop on Oct 5, 2018 13:19:14 GMT
Anyone know of reliable live streams of the Senate floor today? I'm at work, but want to listen to the debate if I can.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 5, 2018 13:26:00 GMT
CNN says vote can't be moved and if Daines vote is needed, McConnell would have to hold the vote open until his return. More interesting tidbits from the article about looking what to watch for after gavel opening this morning from the undecideds. WOW, he could not a whole lot farther away! Although I guess the Koch(sp) brothers or others might lend him a jet ride.... OH, would that be a GIFT ?!?!?!
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Post by janeliz on Oct 5, 2018 13:46:36 GMT
Anyone know of reliable live streams of the Senate floor today? I'm at work, but want to listen to the debate if I can. It looks like there are a good many available, but I have the one from the Nashville Public Radio website on in the background right now.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 5, 2018 13:53:20 GMT
Anyone know of reliable live streams of the Senate floor today? I'm at work, but want to listen to the debate if I can. I use Reuters.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 14:12:34 GMT
I feel like we are to the inevitable point and honestly I just want it to be over. I think they have it, even if Murkowski honors her state's requests and Daines doesn't come back to vote.
And I'm ready for all of us to be fighting against each other on one less front.
Uncle.
I'm ready to see the energy move to the campaigns and what November 6th can bring for Democrats and the country.
I'm off work on Monday and I'll be spending lots of time this long weekend writing Postcards to Voters.
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Post by megop on Oct 5, 2018 14:38:19 GMT
Here we go for the cloture vote.
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Post by megop on Oct 5, 2018 14:47:53 GMT
Collins - Yes Flake - Yes Manchin - Yes Murkowski - No.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 14:49:59 GMT
No surprises for me yet. And I really can't imagine they change their votes.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 5, 2018 14:51:07 GMT
pyccku I feel very much the same way you do. I was raised Catholic but I walked away from organized religion years ago because it didn’t speak to my personal beliefs or sense of logic. When I see and hear people who claim to be followers of Jesus but still say and do and appear to believe all of these horrible, horrible things, there is no way I can witness that and still think they are good people. The two attitudes are diametrically opposed and are simply not compatible in my mind. I honestly don’t understand how people can justify going to church allegedly praising God and claiming to do his will one day and then turn around and spew that kind of hateful vitriol the next and be totally okay with that. It just doesn’t compute. I’ll just leave this here: Turns out I did pick up one or two key concepts in those boring religion classes of my youth.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 14:58:57 GMT
A very core tenant for Republicans, even moderate ones like me, are economic factors. In my experience, Republicans and even a portion of Democrats, Independents etc. vote their pocketbooks. As long as Trump has those indicators trending up, it's going to be hard to flip seats due to other society issues that need to be addressed. It WILL flip as politics and economics are very much cyclical. The question is when in my mind. While is sounds deaf and harsh reasons to vote, at the end of the day, at least in my circle of Republicans, it's about government growing economic opportunity so that people have the option if they so choose, to change their circumstances through that. The above is, of course, is very simplistic as we all know there are a myriad of other barriers that SHOULD be addressed which effect people taking advantage of economic opportunity. I'm just elaborating a bit more over Darcy's comment above as to the possibly "why" current polls show a GOP gain. Exactly. It is all about the love of money, which is more important for them than any other consideration. And that is fine. I would fight for each of us to have free will. Certainly doesn't mean I respect that line of thought, but I do accept one's right to think for themself. Some people vote thinking big picture and how the results will impact everyone, others have a narrower view and vote for what will benefit them. It is what it is. I agree so much. And I'm not trying to sound like a disingenuous asshole, but I would trade the bumps in my portfolio over the past year and a half in order to undo all the hurt this administration has caused and will cause to people. Human beings. Immigrants. Women. The LGBTQ community. ALL people of color. And so on. I feel like I could exist in this world more peacefully with less money and more human rights for all than in the opposite circumstances. But I do understand that my is MY preference...MY instinct. And others have every right to be driven by and to other issues.
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Post by verdepea on Oct 5, 2018 15:14:06 GMT
I know it was expected, but I am angry and want to cry.
I hate that my Senators were intrical to Kavanaugh's nomination and fought tooth and nail to get the votes needed. They disgust me to NO END.
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Post by megop on Oct 5, 2018 15:15:47 GMT
A very core tenant for Republicans, even moderate ones like me, are economic factors. In my experience, Republicans and even a portion of Democrats, Independents etc. vote their pocketbooks. As long as Trump has those indicators trending up, it's going to be hard to flip seats due to other society issues that need to be addressed. It WILL flip as politics and economics are very much cyclical. The question is when in my mind. While is sounds deaf and harsh reasons to vote, at the end of the day, at least in my circle of Republicans, it's about government growing economic opportunity so that people have the option if they so choose, to change their circumstances through that. The above is, of course, is very simplistic as we all know there are a myriad of other barriers that SHOULD be addressed which effect people taking advantage of economic opportunity. I'm just elaborating a bit more over Darcy's comment above as to the possibly "why" current polls show a GOP gain. Exactly. It is all about the love of money, which is more important for them than any other consideration. And that is fine. I would fight for each of us to have free will. Certainly doesn't mean I respect that line of thought, but I do accept one's right to think for themself. Some people vote thinking big picture and how the results will impact everyone, others have a narrower view and vote for what will benefit them. It is what it is. Ok, just to clarify a bit more here since I also lumped myself into this mindset. I don't think I represented my point clearly. While I totally understand a saying such as "it's all about the money," I do want to offer a distinction between being about the money from a place of greed vs. a place of resource delivery and opportunity. Are some Republicans about the money out of personal greed? Of course. I know some. They are not alone and greed is certainly not limited to Republicans. However, I know more Republicans that approach government creating economic opportunity from a place of resource and opportunity for everyone. I find this especially true among small business owners as are the majority of the Republicans in my little corner of the world. From their chair, government creating growth opportunity offers the resources for their businesses making providing health care easier, expanding their work forces easier etc. etc. When taxes increase, those activities become harder and in their minds, more redirected and diluted rather than remain directly local within their communities. These are very good and generous people. Not rich greedy "all about the money" people like what I think you believe I was saying. I'm not. I guess you could say I'm all about the money as well because I truly do not believe the resources it would take to make meaningful change within the social determinants that critically need to be addressed in this country can be entirely funded through federal taxes. To get to that level of taxation that would be required to truly make a significant impact would be economy and innovation killing in my opinion. I have to think there are better ways to address more locally than the federal government. Honestly, I would be much more open to state and local taxes being raised over sending it to DC. Does this make me greedy? I don't think so. Maybe you do and that's ok. Just my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 15:25:51 GMT
Just watch Grassley spout his crap! I am sick as shit about it. I have no idea how he drug those big ass balls up there...talking about democrats stopping "mob rule" after the current occupier of the WH does more to antagonize mob rule...after those old crony white men yelled and spittled during the hearing.
Maybe it is because I am knee deep in streaming the Handmaid's Tale, I am shaking my head and can not stop saying WTF and feeling heartbroken over what is happening to my country.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 15:29:30 GMT
Exactly. It is all about the love of money, which is more important for them than any other consideration. And that is fine. I would fight for each of us to have free will. Certainly doesn't mean I respect that line of thought, but I do accept one's right to think for themself. Some people vote thinking big picture and how the results will impact everyone, others have a narrower view and vote for what will benefit them. It is what it is. Ok, just to clarify a bit more here since I also lumped myself into this mindset. I don't think I represented my point clearly. While I totally understand a saying such as "it's all about the money," I do want to offer a distinction between being about the money from a place of greed vs. a place of resource delivery and opportunity. Are some Republicans about the money out of personal greed? Of course. I know some. They are not alone and greed is certainly not limited to Republicans. However, I know more Republicans that approach government creating economic opportunity from a place of resource and opportunity for everyone. I find this especially true among small business owners as are the majority of the Republicans in my little corner of the world. From their chair, government creating growth opportunity offers the resources for their businesses making providing health care easier, expanding their work forces easier etc. etc. When taxes increase, those activities become harder and in their minds, more redirected and diluted rather than remain directly local within their communities. These are very good and generous people. Not rich greedy "all about the money" people like what I think you believe I was saying. I'm not. I guess you could say I'm all about the money as well because I truly do not believe the resources it would take to make meaningful change within the social determinants that critically need to be addressed in this country can be entirely funded through federal taxes. To get to that level of taxation that would be required to truly make a significant impact would be economy and innovation killing in my opinion. I have to think there are better ways to address more locally than the federal government. Honestly, I would be much more open to state and local taxes being raised over sending it to DC. Does this make me greedy? I don't think so. Maybe you do and that's ok. Just my two cents. Why can't there be millions more of you? I'm so glad you're here in this thread. I'm finding myself reading each of your posts multiple times. Thank you.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 5, 2018 15:56:21 GMT
Exactly. It is all about the love of money, which is more important for them than any other consideration. And that is fine. I would fight for each of us to have free will. Certainly doesn't mean I respect that line of thought, but I do accept one's right to think for themself. Some people vote thinking big picture and how the results will impact everyone, others have a narrower view and vote for what will benefit them. It is what it is. Ok, just to clarify a bit more here since I also lumped myself into this mindset. I don't think I represented my point clearly. While I totally understand a saying such as "it's all about the money," I do want to offer a distinction between being about the money from a place of greed vs. a place of resource delivery and opportunity. Are some Republicans about the money out of personal greed? Of course. I know some. They are not alone and greed is certainly not limited to Republicans. However, I know more Republicans that approach government creating economic opportunity from a place of resource and opportunity for everyone. I find this especially true among small business owners as are the majority of the Republicans in my little corner of the world. From their chair, government creating growth opportunity offers the resources for their businesses making providing health care easier, expanding their work forces easier etc. etc. When taxes increase, those activities become harder and in their minds, more redirected and diluted rather than remain directly local within their communities. These are very good and generous people. Not rich greedy "all about the money" people like what I think you believe I was saying. I'm not. I guess you could say I'm all about the money as well because I truly do not believe the resources it would take to make meaningful change within the social determinants that critically need to be addressed in this country can be entirely funded through federal taxes. To get to that level of taxation that would be required to truly make a significant impact would be economy and innovation killing in my opinion. I have to think there are better ways to address more locally than the federal government. Honestly, I would be much more open to state and local taxes being raised over sending it to DC. Does this make me greedy? I don't think so. Maybe you do and that's ok. Just my two cents. I hate when people jump to greedy. I think it does a disservice to the great majority of people who don't have the luxury of not needing to support their families. I don't think that it's really much different than union member's backing Democrats for pocket book issues. I have a large blue collar family full of union members who will ALWAYS mark the D. Doesn't matter the candidates. It also doesn't have anything to do with social issues (several of them are extremely anti-LBGQ and some unfortunately extremely racist). They fully believe their ability to support their family is wholly dependent on a good union job and democrats have support unions for decades. There's a large subset of voters who will always vote pocketbook issues and really isn't about greed.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 16:03:51 GMT
Thanks for adding to the conversation again Darcy. I hope desperately that our political discussions (nationwide) look more like this thread soon. This is helping my attitude and my outlook.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 16:05:36 GMT
I also want to recognize that even as a single woman, I'm living a comfortable middle class life. To have a little money invested and a pretty good amount in savings helps afford me the ability to prioritize the way that I do. I absolutely see that.
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Post by megop on Oct 5, 2018 16:12:02 GMT
Ok, just to clarify a bit more here since I also lumped myself into this mindset. I don't think I represented my point clearly. While I totally understand a saying such as "it's all about the money," I do want to offer a distinction between being about the money from a place of greed vs. a place of resource delivery and opportunity. Are some Republicans about the money out of personal greed? Of course. I know some. They are not alone and greed is certainly not limited to Republicans. However, I know more Republicans that approach government creating economic opportunity from a place of resource and opportunity for everyone. I find this especially true among small business owners as are the majority of the Republicans in my little corner of the world. From their chair, government creating growth opportunity offers the resources for their businesses making providing health care easier, expanding their work forces easier etc. etc. When taxes increase, those activities become harder and in their minds, more redirected and diluted rather than remain directly local within their communities. These are very good and generous people. Not rich greedy "all about the money" people like what I think you believe I was saying. I'm not. I guess you could say I'm all about the money as well because I truly do not believe the resources it would take to make meaningful change within the social determinants that critically need to be addressed in this country can be entirely funded through federal taxes. To get to that level of taxation that would be required to truly make a significant impact would be economy and innovation killing in my opinion. I have to think there are better ways to address more locally than the federal government. Honestly, I would be much more open to state and local taxes being raised over sending it to DC. Does this make me greedy? I don't think so. Maybe you do and that's ok. Just my two cents. Why can't there be millions more of you? I'm so glad you're here in this thread. I'm finding myself reading each of your posts multiple times. Thank you. Honestly? There are I believe. It’s just the center voice is being drowned between the screaming matches by the opposite sides of the political thought bell curve. Convos are so ramped up nowadays feels like watching a tennis match to me.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 16:31:55 GMT
Why can't there be millions more of you? I'm so glad you're here in this thread. I'm finding myself reading each of your posts multiple times. Thank you. Honestly? There are I believe. It’s just the center voice is being drowned between the screaming matches by the opposite sides of the political thought bell curve. Convos are so ramped up nowadays feels like watching a tennis match to me. Oh absolutely. I agree with you. Multitudes of you and Darcy are out there. I'm just happy to hear your voices amidst all the noise.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 16:45:16 GMT
Flake says he's a yes for the vote tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 16:49:05 GMT
Honestly? There are I believe. It’s just the center voice is being drowned between the screaming matches by the opposite sides of the political thought bell curve. Convos are so ramped up nowadays feels like watching a tennis match to me. I agree.
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Post by Just T on Oct 5, 2018 17:12:13 GMT
Flake says he's a yes for the vote tomorrow. I had such high hopes for him and Susan Collins. And Manchin. I've typed so many things and deleted them all. I really have no words other than saying how extremely sad I am. And that is a huge understatement.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 5, 2018 17:15:57 GMT
his confirmation is even worse than when Trump got elected. at least we knew Trump had a shelf life. kavanaugh is in for life. still holding out hope though. maybe for a John McCan thumbs down moment.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 5, 2018 17:17:19 GMT
Flake says he's a yes for the vote tomorrow. I had such high hopes for him and Susan Collins. And Manchin. I've typed so many things and deleted them all. I really have no words other than saying how extremely sad I am. And that is a huge understatement.
Sitting right next to you on the bench.
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Post by tara on Oct 5, 2018 18:45:00 GMT
Thanks for adding to the conversation again Darcy. I hope desperately that our political discussions (nationwide) look more like this thread soon. This is helping my attitude and my outlook. Darcy does have a very good point but I wanted to say, Thundergal, I also loved your post. It shows that you have a good heart.
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Post by elaine on Oct 5, 2018 19:21:42 GMT
Susan Collins is speaking live, going on and on as to why she is going to vote for Kavanaugh. She is coming across as quite the fan girl.
I was happily escaping this depressing topic watching Ellen, and Ellen was pre-empted for THIS.
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Post by thundergal on Oct 5, 2018 19:24:03 GMT
Thanks for adding to the conversation again Darcy. I hope desperately that our political discussions (nationwide) look more like this thread soon. This is helping my attitude and my outlook. Darcy does have a very good point but I wanted to say, Thundergal, I also loved your post. It shows that you have a good heart. What a really sweet thing for you to say...thank you tara.
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