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Post by missmiss on Mar 13, 2019 16:20:51 GMT
Am I the only one irked by the need people have to refer to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as AOC? Like she's not worth them taking the time to spell out her name or something? Its really not that hard. It's her twitter name. I didn't know when you make a twitter account your twitter name becomes your new name. When you talk to your friends or tell someone abut a friend do you use their twitter name? When you talk about anyone do you use their twitter name? I would bet no. Do you call Donald Trump realDonaldTrump? I would also say no.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 13, 2019 16:24:20 GMT
I'm confused what you are getting at. Justice Democrats is a PAC. That's what PACs do - they throw their money behind a candidate of their choosing. Are you suggesting because their name has "democrat" in it that they are part of the Democratic party? I suggest you go to their site to get answer to your questions. It’s interesting. AOC is actively working with this group and another one called the Sunrise Movement. She is also, her words, making a list of other Democrats in the House to primary if they don’t vote the way she and these two groups think they should. Instead of picking off other other Democrats in Congress their main goal should be to keep and expand the majority in the House, take back the majority in the Senate, and take back the White House . If that doesn’t happen, then the “goals” listed on Justice Democrats’ site will be nothing but empty words. Are you sure it was AOC who said what you stated? And not the founder of the Justice group? And why is primarying such a terrible thing? The premise is what should be happening—-represent your constituents. Some of these politicians claiming that there were others waiting 10-20 years for her seat sound like entitled brats. She worked hard in her community to get her votes—what 80% voted for her. I’d rather see stale, ineffective politicians be primaried than handed a seat just because they’ve been there or “it’s always been that way”.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 17:28:34 GMT
I didn't know when you make a twitter account your twitter name becomes your new name. When you talk to your friends or tell someone abut a friend do you use their twitter name? When you talk about anyone do you use their twitter name? I would bet no. Do you call Donald Trump realDonaldTrump? I would also say no. Cool your jets. I was making an observation. If she didn't like the reference she would not use it herself. I suspect it started getting used because it's her twitter name and it rolls off the tongue easier.
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 17:34:15 GMT
I don't have a problem with calling her AOC. In a professional environment or in person, of course she should be called by her full name. But online, her whole name is a lot of characters (which matters on services like Twitter) and beyond that, I bet a lot of people would misspell it. I personally would rather be called by my initials than to have people massacre the spelling of my name over and over. And when speaking, her name is a lot of syllables - AOC is just plain easier. Is taking the easy way "right?" Not necessarily, but in our world of internet shorthand and the like, it's the norm in our language now.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 13, 2019 17:40:25 GMT
Teddy, FDR, Ike, JFK, LBJ, 41, 43, and so on.
I don’t have a problem with nicknames, acronyms, etc. It seems like the longer a person’s name is, the faster they get a nickname that sticks. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a mouthful, and the fact that she is already readily recognized by her initials just means she herself is already readily recognized. Good for her.
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Post by schizo319 on Mar 13, 2019 17:45:19 GMT
FDR, JFK, LBJ, GWB, RGB, are all commonly referred to by their initials - I'm not sure what the all-fired big deal is about referring to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as "AOC"...
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 13, 2019 17:59:55 GMT
I know the left's nonstop talking point is that the right is "afraid" of AOC, they're horrified and outraged by her, and sprinkle that with the same racism bull. WHY would the right be "afraid" of her? Because she gets media attention? The republicans bash democrats. Standard. The democrats bash republicans. Standard. The republicans and democrats bash Bernie. Standard. What's not standard?
Tossing out a GND that makes no sense to either democrats or republicans, with absolutely no explanations, leaving both parties scratching their heads.
Several presidential candidates quickly signed on to this GND without even reading or thinking it thru and will now have to explain how they'd work this deal. Some might think they were afraid not to sign on.
Threatening members of your own party to add them to a list to be primaried if they vote with republicans.
Those two things alone have absolutely nothing to do with republicans. She put that on the democrats.
Finish all of this off with Tom Perez' decision to not allow FOX to host any presidential debates. Really? Even some democrats disagree with the DNC's decision for this. I don't see any republicans shaking in their boots. Say what?! What makes no sense is vowing to repeal the ACA with no support from your constituents and no consensus on a replacement. In my previous post I brought up the Tea Party Republicans primarying (is that a word? ) Republicans who weren't bending to their POV. This happened 4 years ago and was the tactic that ended Eric Cantor's political career. He was the House Majority Leader at the time. Some could say these tactics started with Republicans. No seat should be safe. And no seat should be saved and handed from father to son. Looking at you Duncan Hunter.
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Post by sunshine on Mar 13, 2019 18:15:37 GMT
No argument from me. The republicans talked a good talk for years saying they had great health care plans. Liars, they had nothing.
As for AOC, she wins a district in NY. She'll vote the way her constituents expect her to, that's why she won.
She now thinks it's her responsibility to unleash her progressive activists on the democrats from not only other districts, but other states, because those representatives didn't vote the way she wants them to, not the way those constituents want their elected officials to? All democrats vote the way AOC says or she's coming after you, lol.
I've got no skin in this, I'm just going to sit back and watch the show.
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 13, 2019 18:21:40 GMT
I'm confused what you are getting at. Justice Democrats is a PAC. That's what PACs do - they throw their money behind a candidate of their choosing. Are you suggesting because their name has "democrat" in it that they are part of the Democratic party? I suggest you go to their site to get answer to your questions. It’s interesting. AOC is actively working with this group and another one called the Sunrise Movement. She is also, her words, making a list of other Democrats in the House to primary if they don’t vote the way she and these two groups think they should. Instead of picking off other other Democrats in Congress their main goal should be to keep and expand the majority in the House, take back the majority in the Senate, and take back the White House . If that doesn’t happen, then the “goals” listed on Justice Democrats’ site will be nothing but empty words. Thanks for the advice. No surprise - when I went to their site, I saw it was PAC. Are you saying AOC is unique in some way? I don't get what your point is. This group wants young, progressive voices in Congress. They are using their money to find and back candidates that support their goals. YOU believe that maintaining the status quo in Congress is good for Democrats, but not all do. So if they want to pick off old-school or non-progressive Dems, that is the PACs choice. Unless you have a crystal ball and can predict the future, I don't think you can declare their strategy wrong. Maybe they primary other Democrats and win. Again, not sure why the actions of this PAC are being singled out? Unless it is really about their name and confusion that they are somehow representative of big-D Democrats?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:15:57 GMT
I suggest you go to their site to get answer to your questions. It’s interesting. AOC is actively working with this group and another one called the Sunrise Movement. She is also, her words, making a list of other Democrats in the House to primary if they don’t vote the way she and these two groups think they should. Instead of picking off other other Democrats in Congress their main goal should be to keep and expand the majority in the House, take back the majority in the Senate, and take back the White House . If that doesn’t happen, then the “goals” listed on Justice Democrats’ site will be nothing but empty words. Thanks for the advice. No surprise - when I went to their site, I saw it was PAC. Are you saying AOC is unique in some way? I don't get what your point is. This group wants young, progressive voices in Congress. They are using their money to find and back candidates that support their goals. YOU believe that maintaining the status quo in Congress is good for Democrats, but not all do. So if they want to pick off old-school or non-progressive Dems, that is the PACs choice. Unless you have a crystal ball and can predict the future, I don't think you can declare their strategy wrong. Maybe they primary other Democrats and win. Again, not sure why the actions of this PAC are being singled out? Unless it is really about their name and confusion that they are somehow representative of big-D Democrats? People complain about the influence the NRA and the Koch Brothers have on politicians they support with their money. These folks, for their support, demand those they support push their agenda. If not, they remove their support. It’s the fear of losing the NRA’s support for some in Congress that has stalled any meaningful gun reform. So we know this works. While the Justice Democrats may not have the big bucks the Koch Brothers have and the NRA had, they still expect the same sort of “support” from those they get behind, and if those individuals fall short of their expectations, they will find other Democrats to primary them out of office. Democrats, as a party, complain about the outside influence of big money. But isn’t it the same thing when PAC’s like the Justice Democrats holds primarying over the heads of Democrats if they don’t embrace their agenda the same thing? And if that is not bad enough, you have a Democratic member of Congress making a hit list to work with a PAC to remove sitting Democrats. So how can the Democrats take the moral high ground over the Republicans and big money, when they turn a blind eye to basically the same thing happening in their own party?
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Post by leftturnonly on Mar 13, 2019 19:17:24 GMT
AOC is actively working with this group and another one called the Sunrise Movement. She is also, her words, making a list of other Democrats in the House to primary if they don’t vote the way she and these two groups think they should. Instead of picking off other other Democrats in Congress their main goal should be to keep and expand the majority in the House, take back the majority in the Senate, and take back the White House . If that doesn’t happen, then the “goals” listed on Justice Democrats’ site will be nothing but empty words. She doesn't seem to understand a lot, IMO. Which is more than a little sad. She's personable, energetic, passionate and represents a group of women that haven't had much power in our government, but I think her ideals aren't grounded at all. I'm going to cut a little slack on your last question since she has only been in office 2 months, but she is pretty darn impressive in getting information across in hearings: You want me to believe she wrote that? Her opinion of Amazon impressed them right out of NYC, which she considered a triumph. Think of all the money they'll save by NOT having Amazon locate there! Here's former Senator Joe Liberman some old, white guy, politician's response: But what does he know, anyway? He was respected by people on both sides of the aisle and came close to being the Vice President. Pshaw. He's old. He's white. He needs to just sit down and shut up. Maybe Amazon was just an aberration. Maybe her asking Wells Fargo CEO Timothy Sloan, "Mr. Sloan, why was the bank involved in the caging of children and financing the caging of children to begin with?" was also an aberration. Sloan in reply: "Uh, I don't know how to answer that question because we weren't." O-C: "Uh, so in finance - you, you were financing and involved in financing of debt of CoreCivic and Geo Group, correct?" Sloan: "For a period of time, we were involved in financing one of the firms - we're not anymore - and the other, I'm not familiar with the specific assertion that you're making, but we weren't directly involved in that." O-C: "OK, so these companies run private detention facilities run by ICE, which is involved in caging children, but I'll move on." Referring to the children who were separated from their families at the border so that they would not be in the same detention facilities as adults, as decreed by the the Obama administration, as being caged is inflammatory language purposefully dropped in for posturing herself before the cameras. Clearly, Sloan was not funding cages for children. Life is much more complicated than her little sound bites imply. Don't anybody listen to me, though, because I'm clearly terrified that Ocasio-Cortez is a force for good in the world that I want to keep corrupt.
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 13, 2019 19:22:35 GMT
Don't anybody listen to me, though, because I'm clearly terrified that Ocasio-Cortez is a force for good in the world that I want to keep corrupt. Ok.
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 19:26:32 GMT
Life is much more complicated than her little sound bites imply. Apparently not much more than the propagandists at Fox News imply, though.
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 13, 2019 19:29:24 GMT
AOC got 3.62% of her campaign contributions from PACs - and 1 PAC, Justice Democrats (I think - don't have a source for that right now). www.opensecrets.org/races/candidates?cycle=2018&id=NY14&spec=NThat seems pretty small when compared to what other politicians got. These are the top PAC $$ recipients: www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/top-recipients. Again, I'm not sure why she is being singled out as being "beholden" to PAC money. her contributions were either large $$ from individuals or small $$ for individuals. I think individual contributions cap out at $5,000, but I could be wrong about that. I agree that Democrats in general are opposed to corporate and dark money, but they still have to play in the same system as other politicians. How did the Dems that are possibly getting primaryed fund their campaigns? If they are playing the game, it seems like unwarranted criticism to single AOC out - especially when her financial "obligations" appear to be lower than normal for a national level campaign.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 13, 2019 19:32:53 GMT
Am I the only one irked by the need people have to refer to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as AOC? Like she's not worth them taking the time to spell out her name or something? Its really not that hard. It's her twitter name. I know that. I should have clarified, it’s fine and understandable on Twitter with its charcacter limits or even informal mediums like message boards, it just irks me when it’s in regular articles - it just seems like they’re trying to reduce her words to that, somehow.
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Post by SockMonkey on Mar 13, 2019 19:41:09 GMT
I'm going to cut a little slack on your last question since she has only been in office 2 months, but she is pretty darn impressive in getting information across in hearings: You want me to believe she wrote that? She graduated from Boston University with a degree in international relations and economics. I'm interested to know why you think she DIDN'T write that? Is she too "articulate" here for you?
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 13, 2019 19:44:59 GMT
You want me to believe she wrote that? She graduated from Boston University with a degree in international relations and economics. I'm interested to know why you think she DIDN'T write that? Is she too "articulate" here for you? Plus she is paying her staff a living wage. She's surrounded herself with a team that believes in and is working towards the same goal, it appears.
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 20:02:38 GMT
Her opinion of Amazon impressed them right out of NYC, which she considered a triumph. Think of all the money they'll save by NOT having Amazon locate there! Plenty of us provided you with information why many people and legislators local to where Amazon proposed to locate were opposed to them coming in. Glad to see you took the opinions of those most affected by that decision seriously and educated yourself on the subject rather than continuing to malign AOC for advocating for what her constituents wanted.
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Post by busy on Mar 13, 2019 20:03:36 GMT
You want me to believe she wrote that? She graduated from Boston University with a degree in international relations and economics. I'm interested to know why you think she DIDN'T write that? Is she too "articulate" here for you? Yeah, I'd love to hear that explanation too.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 13, 2019 22:59:22 GMT
AOC is actively working with this group and another one called the Sunrise Movement. She is also, her words, making a list of other Democrats in the House to primary if they don’t vote the way she and these two groups think they should. Instead of picking off other other Democrats in Congress their main goal should be to keep and expand the majority in the House, take back the majority in the Senate, and take back the White House . If that doesn’t happen, then the “goals” listed on Justice Democrats’ site will be nothing but empty words. She doesn't seem to understand a lot, IMO. Which is more than a little sad. She's personable, energetic, passionate and represents a group of women that haven't had much power in our government, but I think her ideals aren't grounded at all. I'm going to cut a little slack on your last question since she has only been in office 2 months, but she is pretty darn impressive in getting information across in hearings: You want me to believe she wrote that? Her opinion of Amazon impressed them right out of NYC, which she considered a triumph. Think of all the money they'll save by NOT having Amazon locate there! Here's former Senator Joe Liberman some old, white guy, politician's response: But what does he know, anyway? He was respected by people on both sides of the aisle and came close to being the Vice President. Pshaw. He's old. He's white. He needs to just sit down and shut up. Maybe Amazon was just an aberration. Maybe her asking Wells Fargo CEO Timothy Sloan, "Mr. Sloan, why was the bank involved in the caging of children and financing the caging of children to begin with?" was also an aberration. Sloan in reply: "Uh, I don't know how to answer that question because we weren't." O-C: "Uh, so in finance - you, you were financing and involved in financing of debt of CoreCivic and Geo Group, correct?" Sloan: "For a period of time, we were involved in financing one of the firms - we're not anymore - and the other, I'm not familiar with the specific assertion that you're making, but we weren't directly involved in that." O-C: "OK, so these companies run private detention facilities run by ICE, which is involved in caging children, but I'll move on." Referring to the children who were separated from their families at the border so that they would not be in the same detention facilities as adults, as decreed by the the Obama administration, as being caged is inflammatory language purposefully dropped in for posturing herself before the cameras. Clearly, Sloan was not funding cages for children. Life is much more complicated than her little sound bites imply. Don't anybody listen to me, though, because I'm clearly terrified that Ocasio-Cortez is a force for good in the world that I want to keep corrupt. She wasn’t the voice that stopped Amazon. This was done at a local/state level. She did weigh in, but you’re blaming her for something she didn’t decide.
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Post by Merge on Mar 13, 2019 23:09:34 GMT
If supporting primary opponents running against members of your own party is a terrible thing, someone really should tell Greg Abbott and Empower Texans. That's literally all ET does - run hard-right Dominionist Republicans of Abbott's choosing against R state reps and senators who they deem too moderate.
As pointed out above, this has also been the MO of the Tea Party.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 13, 2019 23:51:44 GMT
I really, really dislike Democratic squabbling, because it is not smart. It plays right into the hands of the GOP, and they will make good use of it. The more progressive wing of the party is coming up with ideas that are, at present, unrealistic. But at least they are ideas. Moderates need to come up with counter proposals and the then they need to work together and come up with legislation that everyone can live with. Anything else is just noise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 3:37:12 GMT
In a world where things like "but Hillary" and "but Obama" has been proclaimed for the last 4 years, to show that you have nothing of substance to back up your opinion, what strikes me about this thread is that there sure are an awful lot of "but Trump"s in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 5:13:39 GMT
Her opinion of Amazon impressed them right out of NYC, which she considered a triumph. Think of all the money they'll save by NOT having Amazon locate there! Plenty of us provided you with information why many people and legislators local to where Amazon proposed to locate were opposed to them coming in. Glad to see you took the opinions of those most affected by that decision seriously and educated yourself on the subject rather than continuing to malign AOC for advocating for what her constituents wanted. I'm always amused by the statement of your opinion as fact... your opinion of course being the one and only correct opinion that you must educate others on.
The Wall Street Journal... Majority of New Yorkers Support Amazon Project in QueensCBS News... New York officials to Amazon: Please don't go
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Post by lauradrumm on Mar 14, 2019 8:40:25 GMT
I don’t care if she fucked a pig on Main Street if she can get healthcare reform,educational loans etc!
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Post by hop2 on Mar 14, 2019 11:23:59 GMT
If supporting primary opponents running against members of your own party is a terrible thing, someone really should tell Greg Abbott and Empower Texans. That's literally all ET does - run hard-right Dominionist Republicans of Abbott's choosing against R state reps and senators who they deem too moderate. As pointed out above, this has also been the MO of the Tea Party. its not that it’s a ‘terrible thing’ but, the Republicans are the example the Democrats are using/looking to avoid when being upset by ‘threats’ to Primary other Democrats. The Republicans had control of both houses & the Oval Office and could barely get anything done because they are so fragmented among themselves. That’s what people would like to avoid, a fragmented Democratic Party that can’t accomplish anything.
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Post by busy on Mar 14, 2019 13:11:24 GMT
Oh, go fuck yourself. I don’t have an opinion on Amazon in NYC and I said as much when leftturnonly was having a conniption about the subject and evil AOC before. She also seemed completely unaware that there were many New Yorkers who were opposed to the move and it wasn’t a situation where AOC single-handedly scuttled the deal 🙄 Several of us provided information about why some locals objected to Amazon, etc. But she clearly still blames AOC for it, which is disingenuous at best. It has nothing to do with my personal opinion - I live on the other side of the country and didn’t care either way if Amazon built in NYC.
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Post by schizo319 on Mar 14, 2019 13:40:07 GMT
I really, really dislike Democratic squabbling, because it is not smart. It plays right into the hands of the GOP, and they will make good use of it. The more progressive wing of the party is coming up with ideas that are, at present, unrealistic. But at least they are ideas. Moderates need to come up with counter proposals and the then they need to work together and come up with legislation that everyone can live with. Anything else is just noise. Louder for the folks in the back!!!
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Post by pyccku on Mar 14, 2019 13:43:05 GMT
I don’t care if she fucked a pig on Main Street if she can get healthcare reform,educational loans etc! No, that's not what real leaders do! Real leaders "shoot someone on 5th avenue." That's how you get everyone to follow you!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 14, 2019 13:47:52 GMT
I really, really dislike Democratic squabbling, because it is not smart. It plays right into the hands of the GOP, and they will make good use of it. The more progressive wing of the party is coming up with ideas that are, at present, unrealistic. But at least they are ideas. Moderates need to come up with counter proposals and the then they need to work together and come up with legislation that everyone can live with. Anything else is just noise. I agree. I also have noticed more negativity towards democrats by a few Democrats on this board in the last few months. It is disheartening.
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