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Post by gar on Mar 15, 2019 14:29:12 GMT
🤣 I see what you did there 👍
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 16:09:52 GMT
"Acknowledging her ignorance." Lol. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Even people on her side, in her own party, are noticing her ignorance on things she should know... not to mention things she's supposedly got an education in. So you'll be disagreeing with a lot of people. Have at it. For someone so "ignorant" and inexperienced, she certainly does have a lot of you talking about her. Lots of free rent space in your heads. She's a politician. She's putting herself out in front of the public every chance she gets. She's trying to change the world, one fantastical, fairy tale, not very well thought through, idea at a time. Every time she opens her mouth or gets her fingers flying on Twitter she shows her lack of knowledge, so of course she's being talked about. By everyone. From all sides. What an idiotic point to find fault with. On another topic, did you used to go by a different name? You seem very familiar. Yes, I did. It's been discussed. Excessively. A very passive aggressive, chicken shit thread was started about it. I've also explained it. A certain gnat of a Pea has followed me around announcing it. A service she provides only for me, not for any of the other Peas that have changed their name. My own private announcer. Speaking of "lots of free rent space in your heads".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 16:41:43 GMT
She's a politician. She's putting herself out in front of the public every chance she gets. She's trying to change the world, one fantastical, fairy tale, not very well thought through, idea at a time. Every time she opens her mouth or gets her fingers flying on Twitter she shows her lack of knowledge, so of course she's being talked about. By everyone. From all sides. What an idiotic point to find fault with. Don't you have more serious things to worry about? The other person that shares your observations ( bolded mine) is running the bloody country, is in charge of the most powerful military in the world and has access to a global destructive red button, who is incapable of composing a coherent sentence let along a full speech.Who lies through his teeth and sends best wishes to a country that has just been hit by an act of terrorism. I know very well who I would be worried about and it's wouldn't be a young, newly elected politician who might, in a less formal conversation or speaking on the fly, get one or two facts slightly wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 16:56:26 GMT
She's a politician. She's putting herself out in front of the public every chance she gets. She's trying to change the world, one fantastical, fairy tale, not very well thought through, idea at a time. Every time she opens her mouth or gets her fingers flying on Twitter she shows her lack of knowledge, so of course she's being talked about. By everyone. From all sides. What an idiotic point to find fault with. Don't you have more serious things to worry about? The other person that shares your observations ( bolded mine) is running the bloody country, is in charge of the most powerful military in the world and has access to a global destructive red button, who is incapable of composing a coherent sentence let along a full speech.Who lies through his teeth and sends best wishes to a country that has just been hit by an act of terrorism. I know very well who I would be worried about and it's wouldn't be a young, newly elected politician who might, in a less formal conversation or speaking on the fly, get one or two facts slightly wrong. But Trump!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 15, 2019 16:57:56 GMT
duh- that's who she's talking about. unless you knew that already-- then I don't see the point of your post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:10:07 GMT
duh- that's who she's talking about. unless you knew that already-- then I don't see the point of your post. She mistakenly thinks she's being clever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:16:34 GMT
Don't you have more serious things to worry about? The other person that shares your observations ( bolded mine) is running the bloody country, is in charge of the most powerful military in the world and has access to a global destructive red button, who is incapable of composing a coherent sentence let along a full speech.Who lies through his teeth and sends best wishes to a country that has just been hit by an act of terrorism. I know very well who I would be worried about and it's wouldn't be a young, newly elected politician who might, in a less formal conversation or speaking on the fly, get one or two facts slightly wrong. But Trump! Nope, you got that wrong. I wasn't pointing out that she could do it because he did it. You made some observations about a politician I was pointing out that there was more than one politician that fitted the observations you made in this statement "Every time she opens her mouth or gets her fingers flying on Twitter she shows her lack of knowledge"Nice try though!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:17:11 GMT
duh- that's who she's talking about. unless you knew that already-- then I don't see the point of your post. It's a thread about AOC, not Trump. The Left here condemns whataboutism & bringing anyone into a thread that is about someone else. They say it shows that you have nothing of substance to back up your opinion and it's purpose is to derail the thread.
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Post by gar on Mar 15, 2019 17:25:50 GMT
To be fair though, it must be tempting to try and point out flaws in someone else in the vain hope of countering all the dreadful, crass, unintelligent, unacceptable, untruthful, hateful, simply wrong crap that spills from ‘you know who’s’ mouth 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:26:40 GMT
duh- that's who she's talking about. unless you knew that already-- then I don't see the point of your post. It's a thread about AOC, not Trump. The Left here condemns whataboutism & bringing anyone into a thread that is about someone else. They say it shows that you have nothing of substance to back up your opinion and it's purpose is to derail the thread. So comparing twitter users names and the shortening of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to AOC similar to shortening the initials of past presidents is OK is it? provided we don't bring the present president into the thread? Both, in case you hadn't noticed. have been covered in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:33:35 GMT
Nope, you got that wrong. I wasn't pointing out that she could do it because he did it. You made some observations about a politician I was pointing out that there was more than one politician that fitted the observations you made in this statement "Every time she opens her mouth or gets her fingers flying on Twitter she shows her lack of knowledge"Nice try though! Same purpose and reasoning applied by conservatives, yet still gets condemned by the Left here. Nice try though.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 15, 2019 17:39:01 GMT
Nope, you got that wrong. I wasn't pointing out that she could do it because he did it. You made some observations about a politician I was pointing out that there was more than one politician that fitted the observations you made in this statement "Every time she opens her mouth or gets her fingers flying on Twitter she shows her lack of knowledge"Nice try though! Same purpose and reasoning applied by conservatives, yet still gets condemned by the Left here. Nice try though. The only one doing the condemning talk is you. You create drama.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:44:35 GMT
To be fair though, it must be tempting to try and point out flaws in someone else in the vain hope of countering all the dreadful, crass, unintelligent, unacceptable, untruthful, hateful, simply wrong crap that spills from ‘you know who’s’ mouth 🙄 Psst I think it’s well documented that I’m not a fan of trump. I mean we are at part 25 on the trump catch all thread that I started. And I’m not a fan of AOC and have stated why multiple times. Maybe it’s as simple as how a person looks at individuals and their actions regardless of what side they are on politically.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 15, 2019 18:11:10 GMT
duh- that's who she's talking about. unless you knew that already-- then I don't see the point of your post. She mistakenly thinks she's being clever. Willfully obtuse.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 15, 2019 18:47:46 GMT
In a world where things like "but Hillary" and "but Obama" has been proclaimed for the last 4 years, to show that you have nothing of substance to back up your opinion, what strikes me about this thread is that there sure are an awful lot of "but Trump"s in this thread. Same purpose and reasoning applied by conservatives, yet still gets condemned by the Left here. Nice try though. The only one doing the condemning talk is you. You create drama. I scrolled back. The only one in this thread bringing up whataboutism is you. You’re the one who first started in, and has carried it the course of the thread. You’re creating drama where it doesn’t exist to stir the pot.
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 15, 2019 20:24:04 GMT
redhead32 and crimsoncat05 , all you need to do is click on any poster’s name to go to her profile page where you’ll see the official username, which is usually but not always the same as the display name. Ahhhhhh. Nice pro tip, lucyg!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 15, 2019 21:58:03 GMT
On another topic, did you used to go by a different name? You seem very familiar. Yes, I did. It's been discussed. Excessively. A very passive aggressive, chicken shit thread was started about it. I've also explained it. A certain gnat of a Pea has followed me around announcing it. A service she provides only for me, not for any of the other Peas that have changed their name. My own private announcer. Speaking of "lots of free rent space in your heads". Exaggerate much? Got a swelled head now do ya?
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Post by sasha on Mar 27, 2019 12:43:59 GMT
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Post by artgirl1 on Mar 27, 2019 18:45:42 GMT
Your post is misleading. McConnell forced the vote so that Democrats could be placed on record as to how they viewed the proposal. He did this as a political ploy, to build another case against Democrats for the 2020 elections and not as a valid vote of support. It is political manipulation by the shit show turtle McConnell. ACO's Green Deal has some valid points and concerns, but does need to be fine tuned. But the Republican's will not acknowledge the science behind her proposal. Why worry about the future of the planet when we can give tax breaks to the rich, and build walls to keep out refugees. As long as Republicans get theirs, who care about the rest of the citizens. Maybe McConnell should of acted with such speed during the budget shutdown when he failed to bring several proposals to the Senate for a vote, or to protect the Mueller Investigation, or a hearing on the nomination of Merrick Garland to the SC. But those didn't fit the Republican/Trump agenda.
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Post by sasha on Mar 28, 2019 1:35:12 GMT
Your post is misleading. McConnell forced the vote so that Democrats could be placed on record as to how they viewed the proposal. He did this as a political ploy, to build another case against Democrats for the 2020 elections and not as a valid vote of support. It is political manipulation by the shit show turtle McConnell. ACO's Green Deal has some valid points and concerns, but does need to be fine tuned. But the Republican's will not acknowledge the science behind her proposal. Why worry about the future of the planet when we can give tax breaks to the rich, and build walls to keep out refugees. As long as Republicans get theirs, who care about the rest of the citizens. Maybe McConnell should of acted with such speed during the budget shutdown when he failed to bring several proposals to the Senate for a vote, or to protect the Mueller Investigation, or a hearing on the nomination of Merrick Garland to the SC. But those didn't fit the Republican/Trump agenda. Not misleading. NONE of them voted for it. Her own party isn't supporting the New Green Deal as is. If they did support it, they would've voted in favor or it whether the vote was forced or not instead of voting "present." BTW, I'm all for a sound green policy. AOC's isn't as currently drafted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 15:19:40 GMT
Your post is misleading. McConnell forced the vote so that Democrats could be placed on record as to how they viewed the proposal. He did this as a political ploy, to build another case against Democrats for the 2020 elections and not as a valid vote of support. It is political manipulation by the shit show turtle McConnell. ACO's Green Deal has some valid points and concerns, but does need to be fine tuned. But the Republican's will not acknowledge the science behind her proposal. Why worry about the future of the planet when we can give tax breaks to the rich, and build walls to keep out refugees. As long as Republicans get theirs, who care about the rest of the citizens. Maybe McConnell should of acted with such speed during the budget shutdown when he failed to bring several proposals to the Senate for a vote, or to protect the Mueller Investigation, or a hearing on the nomination of Merrick Garland to the SC. But those didn't fit the Republican/Trump agenda. Not misleading. NONE of them voted for it. Her own party isn't supporting the New Green Deal as is. If they did support it, they would've voted in favor or it whether the vote was forced or not instead of voting "present." BTW, I'm all for a sound green policy. AOC's isn't as currently drafted. This. None of them voted for it. In reality it has no support.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 29, 2019 15:57:10 GMT
Your post is misleading. McConnell forced the vote so that Democrats could be placed on record as to how they viewed the proposal. He did this as a political ploy, to build another case against Democrats for the 2020 elections and not as a valid vote of support. It is political manipulation by the shit show turtle McConnell. ACO's Green Deal has some valid points and concerns, but does need to be fine tuned. But the Republican's will not acknowledge the science behind her proposal. Why worry about the future of the planet when we can give tax breaks to the rich, and build walls to keep out refugees. As long as Republicans get theirs, who care about the rest of the citizens. Maybe McConnell should of acted with such speed during the budget shutdown when he failed to bring several proposals to the Senate for a vote, or to protect the Mueller Investigation, or a hearing on the nomination of Merrick Garland to the SC. But those didn't fit the Republican/Trump agenda. Not misleading. NONE of them voted for it. Her own party isn't supporting the New Green Deal as is. If they did support it, they would've voted in favor or it whether the vote was forced or not instead of voting "present." BTW, I'm all for a sound green policy. AOC's isn't as currently drafted. Oh, for heaven’s sake. It was a stunt. By Mitch. That’s why Dems voted “present.” To shut it down. Not because they don’t support it. “Present” just means refusing to take sides and merely stating the member’s presence for a quorum. Lots to argue about the New Green Deal, but this isn’t one of them. Oy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 16:09:20 GMT
What do we really know about AOC? She makes up false issues to disparage Republicans and further divide the parties. Like taking one single tweet about her college dancing video and using it to pretend that Republicans in general were objecting to it. Turns out nobody really cares and they actually liked the video.
Now she's done it again. She's complaining about Fox News hosts shortening her name to Cortez. Media Resaerch Center did the research on her complaints and it turns out it never once happened.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 16:18:32 GMT
Not misleading. NONE of them voted for it. Her own party isn't supporting the New Green Deal as is. If they did support it, they would've voted in favor or it whether the vote was forced or not instead of voting "present." BTW, I'm all for a sound green policy. AOC's isn't as currently drafted. Oh, for heaven’s sake. It was a stunt. By Mitch. That’s why Dems voted “present.” To shut it down. Not because they don’t support it. “Present” just means refusing to take sides and merely stating the member’s presence for a quorum. Lots to argue about the New Green Deal, but this isn’t one of them. Oy. They had a chance to show their support and they instead "refused to take sides", that includes the side of the New Green Deal.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 29, 2019 16:37:32 GMT
Oh, for heaven’s sake. It was a stunt. By Mitch. That’s why Dems voted “present.” To shut it down. Not because they don’t support it. “Present” just means refusing to take sides and merely stating the member’s presence for a quorum. Lots to argue about the New Green Deal, but this isn’t one of them. Oy. They had a chance to show their support and they instead "refused to take sides", that includes the side of the New Green Deal. Try and follow. Mitch wanted to get a message across: The Dems are fractured when it comes to the NGD. Therefore, he would force a vote on a resolution (NOT a bill, just a resolution) to get the Dem Ayes and Nays on record and force the party to splinter on this issue. Dems said: Ain’t happening, Mitch. Voting “present” en masse is a legislative tactic to shut something down and force the opposing party to either abandon a plan or work harder. There are many of them – November Amendments, King and Queen of the Hill, Show Votes, Dirty Pool, etc. Whether we like it or not that’s ‘how sausage is made’ in Congress. One party messes with the other party’s plans through Aye, Nay, or Present.
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Post by artgirl1 on Mar 29, 2019 16:45:18 GMT
Try and follow. Mitch wanted to get a message across: The Dems are fractured when it comes to the NGD. Therefore, he would force a vote on a resolution (NOT a bill, just a resolution) to get the Dem Ayes and Nays on record and force the party to splinter on this issue. Dems said: Ain’t happening, Mitch. Voting “present” en masse is a legislative tactic to shut something down and force the opposing party to either abandon a plan or work harder. There are many of them – November Amendments, King and Queen of the Hill, Show Votes, Dirty Pool, etc. Whether we like it or not that’s ‘how sausage is made’ in Congress. One party messes with the other party’s plans through Aye, Nay, or Present. This ! And I am not impressed with the Republican's proposals on the same issue, which amounts to nothing but roll back of all environmental actions taken during the Obama years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 16:49:09 GMT
Oh, for heaven’s sake. It was a stunt. By Mitch. That’s why Dems voted “present.” To shut it down. Not because they don’t support it. “Present” just means refusing to take sides and merely stating the member’s presence for a quorum. Lots to argue about the New Green Deal, but this isn’t one of them. Oy. They had a chance to show their support and they instead "refused to take sides", that includes the side of the New Green Deal. Green New DealOr you can look at it this way. The Republicans in the Senate voted against this.. D) to secure for all people of the United States for generations to come— (i) clean air and water; (ii) climate and community resiliency; (iii) healthy food; (iv) access to nature; and (v) a sustainable environment; and And voted against this.. ”1) it is the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal— (A) to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers; (B) to create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic secu- rity for all people of the United States; (C) to invest in the infrastructure and in- dustry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century;” And voted against this.. ”(L) cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites, ensuring economic devel- opment and sustainability on those sites; (M) identifying other emission and pollu- tion sources and creating solutions to remove them; and And voted against this... “D) making public investments in the re- search and development of new clean and re- newable energy technologies and industries; (E) directing investments to spur economic development, deepen and diversify industry and business in local and regional economies, and build wealth and community ownership, while prioritizing high-quality job creation and eco- nomic, social, and environmental benefits in frontline and vulnerable communities, and deindustrialized communities, that may other- wise struggle with the transition away from greenhouse gas intensive industries;” And voted against this.. ”O) providing all people of the United States with— (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and access to nature.” I’m not a fan of the GND, only because there are few details about how it will work. McConnell pulled a political stunt that could very well backfire in his little 🐢 face. Each item listed above affects every American in this country and for the constituents of the Senators who voted no on the goals outlined in the GND, they have to be wondering, with help from the Democrats in those states, if their senator really has their best interests at heart and maybe it’s time to look to someone who will.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 29, 2019 16:59:57 GMT
Try and follow. Mitch wanted to get a message across: The Dems are fractured when it comes to the NGD. Therefore, he would force a vote on a resolution (NOT a bill, just a resolution) to get the Dem Ayes and Nays on record and force the party to splinter on this issue. Dems said: Ain’t happening, Mitch. Voting “present” en masse is a legislative tactic to shut something down and force the opposing party to either abandon a plan or work harder. There are many of them – November Amendments, King and Queen of the Hill, Show Votes, Dirty Pool, etc. Whether we like it or not that’s ‘how sausage is made’ in Congress. One party messes with the other party’s plans through Aye, Nay, or Present. This ! And I am not impressed with the Republican's proposals on the same issue, which amounts to nothing but roll back of all environmental actions taken during the Obama years. Lol and smdh. If neither your or my explanations can penetrate the thick fog, I’m giving up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2019 17:24:09 GMT
They had a chance to show their support and they instead "refused to take sides", that includes the side of the New Green Deal. Try and follow. Mitch wanted to get a message across: The Dems are fractured when it comes to the NGD. Therefore, he would force a vote on a resolution (NOT a bill, just a resolution) to get the Dem Ayes and Nays on record and force the party to splinter on this issue. Dems said: Ain’t happening, Mitch. Voting “present” en masse is a legislative tactic to shut something down and force the opposing party to either abandon a plan or work harder. There are many of them – November Amendments, King and Queen of the Hill, Show Votes, Dirty Pool, etc. Whether we like it or not that’s ‘how sausage is made’ in Congress. One party messes with the other party’s plans through Aye, Nay, or Present. Try and follow. Mitch wanted to get a message across: The Dems are fractured when it comes to the NGD. Try and follow: I get that the Dems are fractured & had to resort to "tactics". The reason is because it's not clear how this pie in the sky resolution will work. There's not enough information to put your support behind fantasy ideas.
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