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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 13:31:12 GMT
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
The rich only care about low/no taxes and low/no regulation.
They donate to the GreedOP pols who will vote for those.
The GreedOP in turn spout anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, anti-care, pro-gun speech to get the foot soldiers out to pull the voting lever.
A toxic combination of GREED, GOD, GUNS, GAYS that will turn America into a nightmare in 20-30 years as these policies come home to roost and the rest of the developed world shake their heads at the dystopia that America has become.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 16, 2019 13:32:53 GMT
You do know that both the Representative who pushed for this law, Rep. Terry Collins, and the governor who is expected to sign it, Kay Ivey, ARE BOTH WOMEN!!! SHOCKING!! Women are notorious for fucking our own selves over. Evidence: 52% of white women Agreed. I haven’t really had conversations with men about abortion, but from my experience, women are the ones who are more vocal about abortion-either for or against. I don’t think I have ever seen a man post anything about abortion on My Facebook feed, but I’ve seen lots of women post anti-abortion comments and memes.
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Post by dillydally on May 16, 2019 13:38:44 GMT
One of the bills will charge anyone who goes across state lines for procedures will be charged and jailed ......... Also miscarriages will be investigated to be sure it was not an abortion.. Many miscarriages happen very early in the pregnancy so how exactly would anyone investigate that? And as others have noted, it’s already a very emotional situation. I can’t even imagine how much worse it would make an already awful thing. I assume that it would in cases like mine, where I had to have a D&E at 12 weeks when there was no heartbeat and my body wasn’t taking care of the process naturally. And that is just cruel. I had contractions that 800mg of Tylenol wouldn’t help with and I was devastated at losing the baby. And they want to put someone like that through more hell?
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 16, 2019 13:47:20 GMT
Many miscarriages happen very early in the pregnancy so how exactly would anyone investigate that? And as others have noted, it’s already a very emotional situation. I can’t even imagine how much worse it would make an already awful thing. I assume that it would in cases like mine, where I had to have a D&E at 12 weeks when there was no heartbeat and my body wasn’t taking care of the process naturally. And that is just cruel. I had contractions that 800mg of Tylenol wouldn’t help with and I was devastated at losing the baby. And they want to put someone like that through more hell? Yes it is cruel. Mine happened at 6-7 weeks. I started bleeding heavily in the late afternoon and wanted to wait the hour or so until my DH could take me to the hospital when he got home from work. By the time I got to the hospital there was nothing left to “investigate” so I’m not exactly sure what they would have had me do? Ugh. It was very much a wanted pregnancy and we were both already devastated. To have anyone even assume that we wanted that outcome would have been salt in the wound.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 13:52:47 GMT
I assume that it would in cases like mine, where I had to have a D&E at 12 weeks when there was no heartbeat and my body wasn’t taking care of the process naturally. And that is just cruel. I had contractions that 800mg of Tylenol wouldn’t help with and I was devastated at losing the baby. And they want to put someone like that through more hell? Yes it is cruel. Mine happened at 6-7 weeks. I started bleeding heavily in the late afternoon and wanted to wait the hour or so until my DH could take me to the hospital when he got home from work. By the time I got to the hospital there was nothing left to “investigate” so I’m not exactly sure what they would have had me do? Ugh. It was very much a wanted pregnancy and we were both already devastated. To have anyone even assume that we wanted that outcome would have been salt in the wound. THEY DON'T CARE. It is about controlling women's bodies and women's choices. PERIOD.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 16, 2019 14:02:09 GMT
The rich only care about low/no taxes and low/no regulation. They donate to the GreedOP pols who will vote for those. The GreedOP in turn spout anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, anti-care, pro-gun speech to get the foot soldiers out to pull the voting lever. A toxic combination of GREED, GOD, GUNS, GAYS that will turn America into a nightmare in 20-30 years as these policies come home to roost and the rest of the developed world shake their heads at the dystopia that America has become. Going to print out the list . I only see one so far. TFS!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 16, 2019 14:03:17 GMT
I assume that it would in cases like mine, where I had to have a D&E at 12 weeks when there was no heartbeat and my body wasn’t taking care of the process naturally. And that is just cruel. I had contractions that 800mg of Tylenol wouldn’t help with and I was devastated at losing the baby. And they want to put someone like that through more hell? Unfortunately, yes... Although not likely to pass. ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))) Yes it is cruel. Mine happened at 6-7 weeks. I started bleeding heavily in the late afternoon and wanted to wait the hour or so until my DH could take me to the hospital when he got home from work. By the time I got to the hospital there was nothing left to “investigate” so I’m not exactly sure what they would have had me do? Ugh. It was very much a wanted pregnancy and we were both already devastated. To have anyone even assume that we wanted that outcome would have been salt in the wound. The ER and/or the doctors and staff would make medical reports, but I think they might report to CYA! ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Post by sassyangel on May 16, 2019 14:04:12 GMT
This is the level of insanity that’s been reached. 🧐
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 16, 2019 14:15:41 GMT
You know it’s a bad abortion law when Pat Robertson says the law has gone too far. Don't give him too much credit though. The only reason he said that is because he thinks by making it too restrictive it'll never succeed in court, not because he cares one whit about a woman's right to choose. Oh I heard that too, but it surprised me that he even said it was bad!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 16, 2019 14:17:26 GMT
Should 11-year-old girls have to bear their rapists' babies? Ohio says yes. It’s disgusting here—the previous governor (Kasich) wouldn’t sign it, but the weasel dick in charge now did. Fuckers.
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Post by MissBianca on May 16, 2019 14:33:09 GMT
Or, they’ll be the ones taking their “mistakes” across state lines. One of the bills will charge anyone who goes across state lines for procedures will be charged and jailed ......... Also miscarriages will be investigated to be sure it was not an abortion.. I wonder what my Catholic, pro Trump, pro-fetus, if the mother dies due to pregnancy complications it’s Gods will “friend” (and I use the term loosely because we aren’t friends anymore) would think about the miscarriage investigations? His wife has had 7 miscarriages. Surely 7 “miscarriages” would throw a red flag or two towards the uterus police. I know for a fact he would be up in arms by multiple investigations.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 16, 2019 14:45:07 GMT
One of the bills will charge anyone who goes across state lines for procedures will be charged and jailed ......... Also miscarriages will be investigated to be sure it was not an abortion.. I wonder what my Catholic, pro Trump, pro-fetus, if the mother dies due to pregnancy complications is Gods will “friend” (and I use the term loosely because we aren’t friends anymore) would think about the miscarriage investigations? His wife has had 7 miscarriages. Surely 7 “miscarriages” would throw a red flag or two towards the uterus police. I know for a fact he would be up in arms by multiple investigations. I know, right? The level of insanity with all of this is beyond the pale. I feel bad not only for those women who want or need to end their pregnancy and can’t, but also for those women who desperately want a baby and for whatever reason can’t sustain a pregnancy but would now face incredible intrusive additional scrutiny. Either way it’s horrendous. I can’t think of a single other medical situation where the government has become so heavily invested in putting themselves into the middle of it. Vaccines might be the closest but even that isn’t at this same level of intrusion. And at this point no one is forcing anyone to vaccinate in spite of the well known greater good of increased herd immunity.
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Post by Merge on May 16, 2019 14:46:01 GMT
I wonder if this law would prevent some women from getting early prenatal care. If I knew I was pregnant, I think I'd wait until after the greatest danger of miscarriage is over before seeing a doctor, to try to avoid the miscarriage police if things end badly.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 15:22:44 GMT
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Post by pierkiss on May 16, 2019 15:25:51 GMT
I made the mistake of opening twitter just now to see what was going on in the world today. Saw that bullshit about Missouri. Now feel really terrible about America. Land of the free, what a crock. Freedom of choice, obviously doesn’t apply here anymore.
Why are we legislating medical procedures? And why is the legislation being decided by panels of men, without medical degrees?
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Post by jennyap on May 16, 2019 15:38:18 GMT
I made the mistake of opening twitter just now to see what was going on in the world today. Saw that bullshit about Missouri. Now feel really terrible about America. Land of the free, what a crock. Freedom of choice, obviously doesn’t apply here anymore. Why are we legislating medical procedures? And why is the legislation being decided by panels of men, without medical degrees? Damn that socialised medicine, huh? Oh, wait...
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 16:00:49 GMT
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Post by MissBianca on May 16, 2019 17:33:34 GMT
I wonder what my Catholic, pro Trump, pro-fetus, if the mother dies due to pregnancy complications is Gods will “friend” (and I use the term loosely because we aren’t friends anymore) would think about the miscarriage investigations? His wife has had 7 miscarriages. Surely 7 “miscarriages” would throw a red flag or two towards the uterus police. I know for a fact he would be up in arms by multiple investigations. I know, right? The level of insanity with all of this is beyond the pale. I feel bad not only for those women who want or need to end their pregnancy and can’t, but also for those women who desperately want a baby and for whatever reason can’t sustain a pregnancy but would now face incredible intrusive additional scrutiny. Either way it’s horrendous. I can’t think of a single other medical situation where the government has become so heavily invested in putting themselves into the middle of it. Vaccines might be the closest but even that isn’t at this same level of intrusion. And at this point no one is forcing anyone to vaccinate in spite of the well known greater good of increased herd immunity. A mutual friend of mine and the crazy ex friend delivered a stillborn baby at 38 weeks. She went in for a normal one week appt and there was no heartbeat. She had some kind of infection the doctors didn’t know she had. Can you imagine the police knocking on your door demanding answers as to why she didn’t have a live birth?! And they are conservative Catholics who praise these kinds of laws. Or at least would until someone was up in her uterus.
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Post by casii on May 16, 2019 17:52:04 GMT
Many miscarriages happen very early in the pregnancy so how exactly would anyone investigate that? And as others have noted, it’s already a very emotional situation. I can’t even imagine how much worse it would make an already awful thing. I assume that it would in cases like mine, where I had to have a D&E at 12 weeks when there was no heartbeat and my body wasn’t taking care of the process naturally. And that is just cruel. I had contractions that 800mg of Tylenol wouldn’t help with and I was devastated at losing the baby. And they want to put someone like that through more hell? I was trying to find the twitter thread to post it, but a few days ago, a man told the story of how prior to Roe V Wade, his mom had a miscarriage at 6 months and the ambulance couldn't move her or take her to the hospital until the police came to investigate & make sure she had not tried to perform an abortion upon herself. She had to stay there, covered in blood, with dead tissue puddled between her thighs and be investigated.
After that, his mom became an active and vocal pro-choice advocate who was recognized for her public service. She didn't want other women subjected to the same horror and additional trauma.
Adding: I found the thread. If you search for David Avallone on Twitter, you can't miss it. I didn't have all the details perfect, but pretty darn close.
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Post by gar on May 16, 2019 18:01:24 GMT
I assume that it would in cases like mine, where I had to have a D&E at 12 weeks when there was no heartbeat and my body wasn’t taking care of the process naturally. And that is just cruel. I had contractions that 800mg of Tylenol wouldn’t help with and I was devastated at losing the baby. And they want to put someone like that through more hell? I was trying to find the twitter thread to post it, but a few days ago, a man told the story of how prior to Roe V Wade, his mom had a miscarriage at 6 months and the ambulance couldn't move her or take her to the hospital until the police came to investigate & make sure she had not tried to perform an abortion upon herself. She had to stay there, covered in blood, with dead tissue puddled between her thighs and be investigated.
After that, his mom became an active and vocal pro-choice advocate who was recognized for her public service. She didn't want other women subjected to the same horror and additional trauma.
Dear god that’s barbaric!
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Post by Just T on May 16, 2019 18:11:57 GMT
I am having a hard time forming coherent thoughts after reading some of these things. Investigating women who have miscarriages?? Dear God, how can anyone think this is a good idea? I have had numerous miscarriages. In fact, the first time I had surgery in my entire life was a D & C for a miscarriage. I was so traumatized and distraught, and I can't even freaking imagine having to deal with an "investigation" at that time.
I think anyone who supports laws like this is a total motherf*cker.
And sadly, I live in Missouri, where a similar law has been proposed.
I don't even know what else to say.
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Post by Peace Sign on May 16, 2019 18:56:38 GMT
One of the bills will charge anyone who goes across state lines for procedures will be charged and jailed ......... Also miscarriages will be investigated to be sure it was not an abortion.. There is zero chance of them enforcing this portion of the bill. But it is BULLSHIT. And it SHOULD NOT BE on the books at all. do not be surprised at the bullshit that happens to those who don't have the resources to speak up and to fight.
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Post by DEX on May 16, 2019 19:01:59 GMT
So, "All life is precious", Alabama?
How about this man who is scheduled to be executed in Alabama. So this is a State that wants to protect life and then turns around and takes a life. Such hypocrisy! Don't get me wrong, I am in no way defending the guy but he could have had his sentence commuted to life.
SMH
Execution in Alabama
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Post by verdepea on May 16, 2019 19:20:08 GMT
The below is very appalling and demonstrates they are NOT pro-life and that life does not begin at conception. Alabama Law Protects IVFOne of the lead architects of the Alabama bill made this view even more plain when he stated that the measure, which purports to protect fertilized eggs, embryos, and fetuses, would not actually apply to all embryos. After all, if you argue that life begins at conception, that’s a big problem for I.V.F. In the name of protecting “life,” anti-abortion legislators could functionally outlaw fertility treatments that involve fertilizing eggs and selecting the strongest embryos for implantation. But don’t worry, said Alabama State Senator Clyde Chambliss: “The egg in the lab doesn’t apply. It’s not in a woman. She’s not pregnant.” The bill is meant to protect affluent women, not poor women. Conservative Family Values and All.
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Post by pierkiss on May 16, 2019 19:57:34 GMT
There is zero chance of them enforcing this portion of the bill. But it is BULLSHIT. And it SHOULD NOT BE on the books at all. do not be surprised at the bullshit that happens to those who don't have the resources to speak up and to fight. Oh I totally believe that completely insane and inhuman things happen to less fortunate people every day. But with this specific thing, are the police going to start investigating every family that goes out of town for a few days who have teenage daughters? I seriously doubt it. Police officers have far better things to do with their time and resources than look into who is traveling to where for what purposes.
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Post by Zee on May 16, 2019 20:19:53 GMT
lizacreates just wanted to thank you for your clear explanations on this topic in regards to the legal system. I don't know much about the legalities of all this so I really appreciate your insight!
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Post by lizacreates on May 16, 2019 20:21:22 GMT
lizacreates just wanted to thank you for your clear explanations on this topic in regards to the legal system. I don't know much about the legalities of all this so I really appreciate your insight! My pleasure, Z. Always my pleasure.
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Post by lizacreates on May 16, 2019 20:53:48 GMT
The below is very appalling and demonstrates they are NOT pro-life and that life does not begin at conception. Alabama Law Protects IVFOne of the lead architects of the Alabama bill made this view even more plain when he stated that the measure, which purports to protect fertilized eggs, embryos, and fetuses, would not actually apply to all embryos. After all, if you argue that life begins at conception, that’s a big problem for I.V.F. In the name of protecting “life,” anti-abortion legislators could functionally outlaw fertility treatments that involve fertilizing eggs and selecting the strongest embryos for implantation. But don’t worry, said Alabama State Senator Clyde Chambliss: “The egg in the lab doesn’t apply. It’s not in a woman. She’s not pregnant.” The bill is meant to protect affluent women, not poor women. Conservative Family Values and All. There you go. The truth finally emerges. It’s not about the embryo, or the fetus, or life. It’s about the woman.
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Post by pyccku on May 16, 2019 21:07:22 GMT
It’s not about the embryo, or the fetus, or life. It’s about the woman. Well, yeah. You have to punish those whores somehow. They shouldn't be having sex! Of course, they will still expect their mistresses/girlfriends to put out for them.
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Post by inkedup on May 16, 2019 21:18:10 GMT
It’s not about the embryo, or the fetus, or life. It’s about the woman. Well, yeah. You have to punish those whores somehow. They shouldn't be having sex! Of course, they will still expect their mistresses/girlfriends to put out for them. Punish those whores and let boys be boys! Long live America!
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