scrappinghappy
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Post by scrappinghappy on May 1, 2019 5:46:35 GMT
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Post by manda on May 1, 2019 6:00:22 GMT
Sad indeed.
I will never understand the fervor to fight for this when children are going hungry in our country, children are also living in abusive homes and/or foster care, and our children are not provided solid educational opportunities including college educations.
If people read the statistics around who has abortion, I think they would be surprised who is having the abortions.
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PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on May 1, 2019 6:11:50 GMT
Sad indeed. I will never understand the fervor to fight for this when children are going hungry in our country, children are also living in abusive homes and/or foster care, and our children are not provided solid educational opportunities including college educations. If people read the statistics around who has abortion, I think they would be surprised who is having the abortions. . The idea of putting the words abortion into Google makes me apprehensive, so do you mind sharing the statistics? |
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Post by manda on May 1, 2019 6:57:03 GMT
Sad indeed. I will never understand the fervor to fight for this when children are going hungry in our country, children are also living in abusive homes and/or foster care, and our children are not provided solid educational opportunities including college educations. If people read the statistics around who has abortion, I think they would be surprised who is having the abortions. . The idea of putting the words abortion into Google makes me apprehensive, so do you mind sharing the statistics? Why does researching abortion make you apprehensive? It’s easy enough to find reputable abortion statistics. Whatever somebody considers reputable. And it’s informative to read everything that is out there regardless of the side that is being presented. I’m not going to provide the statistics. In full disclosure, I had an abortion at the age of 35. I never ever ever thought I would choose that option ever. NEVER. For many reasons. I had a harder time making the decision than what I have read many women do when faced with the same situation AND my recovery from my choice was brutal, which also doesn’t appear common for women like me in this situation. I wouldn’t say I regretted my decision as much as I regretted being in a situation where I had to make a choice. Did you know many OB doctors provide abortions in their office before a certain number of weeks? Did you know Planned Parenthood doesn’t actually provide a large number of abortions? Planned parenthood refers a lot of patients out to other doctors or hospitals who perform the procedure. My own OB office would do this procedure in their office up until a certain number of weeks after which they referred a patient to hospital for procedure or another doctor office. In my situation, my OB no longer performed abortions but other doctors in her practice did right there in their office. We hear about abortion clinics but that isn’t where a lot of abortions happen. I was so surprised. I had my abortion at a doctor’s office (not in my OBs office) that you would never have figured for an ‘abortion clinic.’ Because it wasn’t that. They did do pregnancy terminations via doctor referrals. Perhaps for medical reasons and perhaps for selfish reasons. You wouldn’t know from outside looking in. I was suicidal for almost a year after and still have my moments. Did you know it takes pregnancy related hormones almost 18 months to leave your body, regardless of how you become not pregnant anymore? Through birth, pregnancy death, or pregnancy termination? I was a shit show of emotions and sometimes still have my moments of complete devastation. I spent years in therapy trying to heal through the grief some said I had no right to feel. And you know what? If I hadn’t gone through my situation, I may have thought some of the same things and cast some of the same judgement against a woman who made the same decision I did. Abortion, for me, was not an easy choice nor a simplistic decision. It was difficult and complex. Today I’m about to embark on my first round of IVF as a 43 year old. It is hard to reconcile all of this. But you know what? My life and my body and my children. 🤷♀️ Until you live the childhood I did and the adult situations I lived, you (general you) don’t get to tell me what I should do. My life experiences influenced my choice. Anything somebody tells me at this point wont be worse than anything I told myself in the almost 8 years since I had to make a very tough decision for me. You will never truly know what you would do until you are faced with this exact choice in this situation. I thought I knew and I was oh so wrong. (Sorry for any typos) And I’m sharing this publicly because other wome after me need to know they are not alone. I share with people in my real life even when I shouldn’t because I must put a face and voice to this very real and personal decision. I don’t expect everybody to understand or agree with my choice but I have no doubt my words and my story will help another woman. Even if it’s at a cost to my own reputation. |
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Post by gar on May 1, 2019 8:39:42 GMT
((hugs)) to you. I hope you can find peace with your decision manda |
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Post by pierkiss on May 1, 2019 11:25:56 GMT
#manda thank you for sharing your story!
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maryannscraps
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Post by maryannscraps on May 1, 2019 12:13:53 GMT
manda I liked your post as a gentle hug for you. Difficult decisions are not served by horrible legislation and judgement. Shame on Alabama. They are not interested in helping anyone, just punishing.
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PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on May 1, 2019 14:15:54 GMT
The idea of putting the words abortion into Google makes me apprehensive, so do you mind sharing the statistics? Why does researching abortion make you apprehensive? It’s easy enough to find reputable abortion statistics. Whatever somebody considers reputable. And it’s informative to read everything that is out there regardless of the side that is being presented. I’m not going to provide the statistics. Because last time I did, there were horrible pictures mixed in and I'm not in a place where I want to see that. I don't know why you chose not to answer me. |
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Post by librarylady on May 1, 2019 14:20:37 GMT
From the article:
If passed, the bill would criminalize abortions in all cases unless the health of the pregnant person was in danger and would make it a Class C felony for a doctor to perform the procedure, according to AL.com.
The bill also does not include any exceptions for cases where rape or incest caused the pregnancy. The measure passed by a vote of 74-3.
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Post by Merge on May 1, 2019 14:25:22 GMT
From the article: If passed, the bill would criminalize abortions in all cases unless the health of the pregnant person was in danger and would make it a Class C felony for a doctor to perform the procedure, according to AL.com. The bill also does not include any exceptions for cases where rape or incest caused the pregnancy. The measure passed by a vote of 74-3. "The health of the pregnant person." Not a woman - a person for whom a pregnancy is their only defining characteristic. How very chilling. I would have thought before that this would be quickly struck down, but under this SC, I have my doubts. |
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Post by catck on May 1, 2019 16:05:26 GMT
I've been watching Call the Midwife and they have been dealing with the backstreet abortions of the 1960s as abortion was illegal. A lot of the women either die or end up unable to have children due to the illegal procedures they are forced to have.
This is not something women take lightly and I personally know someone who had to have an illegal procedure.
50 years later and for some there is no alternative, very sad.
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muggins
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Post by muggins on May 1, 2019 18:37:53 GMT
Appalling, but expected.
Can women from Alabama go to a nearby state to get an abortion? Irish women have been coming to Liverpool for abortions since it was legalised in 1967. Hopefully the new reforms will mean they don’t have to.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 1, 2019 19:08:47 GMT
From the article: If passed, the bill would criminalize abortions in all cases unless the health of the pregnant person was in danger and would make it a Class C felony for a doctor to perform the procedure, according to AL.com. The bill also does not include any exceptions for cases where rape or incest caused the pregnancy. The measure passed by a vote of 74-3. That is so, so, SO very messed up. What a way to revictimize a woman or girl who has already been victimized by her abuser/attacker.  |
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lurkyloo
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Post by lurkyloo on May 1, 2019 19:10:15 GMT
Why does researching abortion make you apprehensive? It’s easy enough to find reputable abortion statistics. Whatever somebody considers reputable. And it’s informative to read everything that is out there regardless of the side that is being presented. I’m not going to provide the statistics. Because last time I did, there were horrible pictures mixed in and I'm not in a place where I want to see that. I don't know why you chose not to answer me. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 1, 2019 19:23:07 GMT
The idea of putting the words abortion into Google makes me apprehensive, so do you mind sharing the statistics? Why does researching abortion make you apprehensive? It’s easy enough to find reputable abortion statistics. Whatever somebody considers reputable. And it’s informative to read everything that is out there regardless of the side that is being presented. I’m not going to provide the statistics. In full disclosure, I had an abortion at the age of 35. I never ever ever thought I would choose that option ever. NEVER. For many reasons. I had a harder time making the decision than what I have read many women do when faced with the same situation AND my recovery from my choice was brutal, which also doesn’t appear common for women like me in this situation. I wouldn’t say I regretted my decision as much as I regretted being in a situation where I had to make a choice. Did you know many OB doctors provide abortions in their office before a certain number of weeks? Did you know Planned Parenthood doesn’t actually provide a large number of abortions? Planned parenthood refers a lot of patients out to other doctors or hospitals who perform the procedure. My own OB office would do this procedure in their office up until a certain number of weeks after which they referred a patient to hospital for procedure or another doctor office. In my situation, my OB no longer performed abortions but other doctors in her practice did right there in their office. We hear about abortion clinics but that isn’t where a lot of abortions happen. I was so surprised. I had my abortion at a doctor’s office (not in my OBs office) that you would never have figured for an ‘abortion clinic.’ Because it wasn’t that. They did do pregnancy terminations via doctor referrals. Perhaps for medical reasons and perhaps for selfish reasons. You wouldn’t know from outside looking in. I was suicidal for almost a year after and still have my moments. Did you know it takes pregnancy related hormones almost 18 months to leave your body, regardless of how you become not pregnant anymore? Through birth, pregnancy death, or pregnancy termination? I was a shit show of emotions and sometimes still have my moments of complete devastation. I spent years in therapy trying to heal through the grief some said I had no right to feel. And you know what? If I hadn’t gone through my situation, I may have thought some of the same things and cast some of the same judgement against a woman who made the same decision I did. Abortion, for me, was not an easy choice nor a simplistic decision. It was difficult and complex. Today I’m about to embark on my first round of IVF as a 43 year old. It is hard to reconcile all of this. But you know what? My life and my body and my children. 🤷♀️ Until you live the childhood I did and the adult situations I lived, you (general you) don’t get to tell me what I should do. My life experiences influenced my choice. Anything somebody tells me at this point wont be worse than anything I told myself in the almost 8 years since I had to make a very tough decision for me. You will never truly know what you would do until you are faced with this exact choice in this situation. I thought I knew and I was oh so wrong. (Sorry for any typos) And I’m sharing this publicly because other wome after me need to know they are not alone. I share with people in my real life even when I shouldn’t because I must put a face and voice to this very real and personal decision. I don’t expect everybody to understand or agree with my choice but I have no doubt my words and my story will help another woman. Even if it’s at a cost to my own reputation. Thanks for sharing your story. I assume that someone would be afraid to search for abortion because they might find photos or something graphic that they don’t want to see, but I’m not sure. I recently listened to a podcast (The Daily) about abortion laws and what state you are in really makes a difference regarding where abortions can be performed, who can perform them, etc. The podcast highlighted the laws and clinics in Missouri and Illinois, because they are right next to each other but have very different stances on abortion. For example, in Missouri there is only one clinic that can provide abortions. The laws have made it difficult for providers to be able to do so (Iirc, it had to do with them having Hospital privileged within a certain number of miles or something like that). The abortion clinic in Illinois that they talked to said that many of their patients are from Missouri. It was a really interesting podcast. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 20:33:35 GMT
I've been watching Call the Midwife and they have been dealing with the backstreet abortions of the 1960s as abortion was illegal. A lot of the women either die or end up unable to have children due to the illegal procedures they are forced to have. This is not something women take lightly and I personally know someone who had to have an illegal procedure. 50 years later and for some there is no alternative, very sad. No one is forcing women to have an abortion. Legal or otherwise. Yes, there are alternatives. |
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Post by Skellinton on May 1, 2019 20:46:40 GMT
I've been watching Call the Midwife and they have been dealing with the backstreet abortions of the 1960s as abortion was illegal. A lot of the women either die or end up unable to have children due to the illegal procedures they are forced to have. This is not something women take lightly and I personally know someone who had to have an illegal procedure. 50 years later and for some there is no alternative, very sad. No one is forcing women to have an abortion. Legal or otherwise. Yes, there are alternatives. I really just want to tell you to Shut the hell up, but instead I will say of course there are alternatives, and of course no one has to have an abortion, but if a woman chooses to have an abortion for what ever reason she should be able to have the procedure done by professionals who can provide a safe procedure. You don’t agree with abortion, that is totally your choice, then don’t have one. Who in the hell are you to dictate what another person does or decide for them when a fertilized egg becomes a human being? “ In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that states laws which made it illegal for a woman to have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy were unconstitutional, and that the decision on whether a woman should have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy should be left to the woman and her doctor to decide.” This decision is so disappointing. I hope it gets overturned. I don’t understand why people need to have such agency over someone else’s body. |
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Post by lizacreates on May 1, 2019 20:51:19 GMT
Even if this passes, it can’t be implemented.
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Post by Zee on May 1, 2019 20:56:08 GMT
I hope that everyone who is disgusted by this is donating to the ACLU. I'm now a card-carrying libtard member. I can't fight this legally on my own but I sure can give money to those who can and will fight for all of us women.
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Post by pyccku on May 1, 2019 20:56:21 GMT
Appalling, but expected. Can women from Alabama go to a nearby state to get an abortion? Irish women have been coming to Liverpool for abortions since it was legalised in 1967. Hopefully the new reforms will mean they don’t have to. Sure they could. But there are many poor women in Alabama who won't be able to afford to travel, or to take the time off work to do so. But you know who will be able to travel for an abortion?
Rich women. Mistresses of Republican lawmakers who want to keep it under wraps.
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Post by pierkiss on May 1, 2019 20:58:21 GMT
No one is forcing women to have an abortion. Legal or otherwise. Yes, there are alternatives. I really just want to tell you to Shut the hell up, but instead I will say of course there are alternatives, and of course no one has to have an abortion, but if a woman chooses to have an abortion for what ever reason she should be able to have the procedure done by professionals who can provide a safe procedure. You don’t agree with abortion, that is totally your choice, then don’t have one. Who in the hell are you to dictate what another person does or decide for them when a fertilized egg becomes a human being? “ In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that states laws which made it illegal for a woman to have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy were unconstitutional, and that the decision on whether a woman should have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy should be left to the woman and her doctor to decide.” This decision is so disappointing. I hope it gets overturned. I don’t understand why people need to have such agency over someone else’s body. GIRL YES! |
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Post by femalebusiness on May 1, 2019 21:17:51 GMT
No one is forcing women to have an abortion. Legal or otherwise. Yes, there are alternatives. I really just want to tell you to Shut the hell up, but instead I will say of course there are alternatives, and of course no one has to have an abortion, but if a woman chooses to have an abortion for what ever reason she should be able to have the procedure done by professionals who can provide a safe procedure. You don’t agree with abortion, that is totally your choice, then don’t have one. Who in the hell are you to dictate what another person does or decide for them when a fertilized egg becomes a human being? “ In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that states laws which made it illegal for a woman to have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy were unconstitutional, and that the decision on whether a woman should have an abortion up to three months of pregnancy should be left to the woman and her doctor to decide.” This decision is so disappointing. I hope it gets overturned. I don’t understand why people need to have such agency over someone else’s body. Thank you. I just don't have the energy anymore. |
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Post by Zee on May 1, 2019 21:28:45 GMT
Appalling, but expected. Can women from Alabama go to a nearby state to get an abortion? Irish women have been coming to Liverpool for abortions since it was legalised in 1967. Hopefully the new reforms will mean they don’t have to. If they have a reliable vehicle or other transportation in addition to the cost of the procedure, sure, but with more and more southern states pulling this bullshit in the name of "God" it's going to become highly unlikely that poor women will be able to do that. So they'll have babies that they can't take care of and you best bet the people passing these laws aren't interested in helping those women raise these babies. |
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Post by mollycoddle on May 1, 2019 22:16:14 GMT
The pro-birth crowd rears its head again. I am so tired of these people.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 1, 2019 22:22:15 GMT
I've been watching Call the Midwife and they have been dealing with the backstreet abortions of the 1960s as abortion was illegal. A lot of the women either die or end up unable to have children due to the illegal procedures they are forced to have. This is not something women take lightly and I personally know someone who had to have an illegal procedure. 50 years later and for some there is no alternative, very sad. No one is forcing women to have an abortion. Legal or otherwise. Yes, there are alternatives. Pro Birthers minding their own damn business comes to mind. Look, this is, among other things, stupid. Women who want abortions will get them. If they are poor and desperate, they will be unsafe. I don’t want to return to the days of homemade abortions. |
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Post by Zee on May 1, 2019 22:31:55 GMT
Maybe to be on the safe side I'll go get my NP and learn to do safer back-alley abortions, since that's where we're headed.
I'm disgusted that it's 2019 and they're stripping away rights I've always been able to take for granted my entire life.
I'm sure if we took an honest poll there would be many of us who have at some point in our lives been grateful to have that choice, for whatever reason, when BC failed and simply having that baby and giving it up wasn't really an option. That includes many of the women I love most in this world.
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Post by lizacreates on May 1, 2019 22:43:03 GMT
The pro-birth crowd rears it’s head again. I am so tired of these people. When it comes to abortion, it’s always been a mystery to me why the party of constitutional textualists will always support a law that’s unconstitutional. |
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Post by Merge on May 1, 2019 22:53:18 GMT
The pro-birth crowd rears it’s head again. I am so tired of these people. When it comes to abortion, it’s always been a mystery to me why the party of constitutional textualists will always support a law that’s unconstitutional. I think you know why.😒 |
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Post by hop2 on May 1, 2019 23:00:06 GMT
I hope that everyone who is disgusted by this is donating to the ACLU. I'm now a card-carrying libtard member. I can't fight this legally on my own but I sure can give money to those who can and will fight for all of us women. oh oh you used a bad word there  |
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Post by gar on May 1, 2019 23:16:04 GMT
The pro-birth crowd rears it’s head again. I am so tired of these people. When it comes to abortion, it’s always been a mystery to me why the party of constitutional textualists will always support a law that’s unconstitutional. For someone not familiar with your constitution can you explain please? |
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