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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 16:52:30 GMT
From the Chuck Todd - trump interview .
This shows what is important to “president” trump...
CHUCK TODD:
So the minute you get them to do nuclear weapons, you want out of the Middle East?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
That's all I care. I don’t care about -- Well, we're going to protect Israel. But I have nothing to do, absolutely nothing -- and we're going to protect Saudi Arabia. Look, Saudi Arabia is buying $400 billion worth of things for us. That's a very good thing.
CHUCK TODD:
You used to say we don't get anything in return --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
We are now.
CHUCK TODD:
-- for protecting Saudi Arabia.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
You know that this --
CHUCK TODD:
You feel like they're now paying for --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
-- this morning --
CHUCK TODD:
-- the American protection?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
-- I spoke to the Crown Prince, this morning. And we had a great conversation. I said, "This is a very expensive operation. You and the other nations that we're protecting have to pay."
CHUCK TODD:
Did you talk --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
And he said, "Yes."
CHUCK TODD:
Did you talk to him about the U.N. report about Jamal Khashoggi?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
I did not because it really didn't come up in that discussion. I called about one reason.
CHUCK TODD:
I understand.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
I called about one -- I didn't call about that. I called about one reason. There’s a very expensive operation. Unlike President Obama and unlike everybody else, I’ll say others too, not just President Obama. You've got to pay for it. We cannot, we, we just don't want to go in and, and protect the Middle East and protect Saudi Arabia and everyone else and not get reimbursed.
CHUCK TODD:
So this is why you're overruling Congress and, and letting all these weapon sales happen in Saudi Arabia?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
Economic development and that. But economic development.
CHUCK TODD:
Never mind the humanitarian disaster --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
A million jobs.
CHUCK TODD:
-- that's taking place in Yemen?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
A million jobs -- No it's going to end. It's going to end. By the way, who's causing it though? If you look at it, Iran goes into Yemen. They start firing rockets at Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has to protect themselves, Chuck. But it's, it’s a million jobs and probably more. They buy massive amounts, $150 billion worth of military equipment that, by the way, we use. We use that military equipment. And unlike other countries that don't have money and we have to subsidize everything. So Saudi Arabia is a big buyer of America product. That means something to me. It's a big producer of jobs.
CHUCK TODD:
It makes you overlook some of their bad behavior?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
No.
CHUCK TODD:
I mean --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
I don't like anybody's bad behavior.
CHUCK TODD:
Are you going to -- The United Nations said they'd like the United States to order the FBI to investigate Jamal Khashoggi's death and possibly MBS’ --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
Well, I think it's, I think it’s --
CHUCK TODD:
-- involvement in it. Will you allow the FBI to do that?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
I think it's been heavily investigated.
CHUCK TODD:
By who?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
By everybody. I mean --
CHUCK TODD:
By the FBI?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
I’ve seen so many different reports.
CHUCK TODD:
What about the FBI?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
Here's where I am, you ready?
CHUCK TODD:
Uh-huh.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
Iran's killed many, many people a day. Other countries in the Middle East, this is a hostile place. This is a vicious, hostile place. If you're going to look at Saudi Arabia, look at Iran, look at other countries, I won't mention names, and take a look at what's happening. And then you go outside of the Middle East, and you take a look at what's happening with countries. Okay? And I only say they spend $400 to $450 billion over a period of time --
CHUCK TODD:
So --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
-- all money, all jobs, buying equipment --
CHUCK TODD:
That's the price. As long as they keep buying --
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
No, no.
CHUCK TODD:
-- you'll overlook some of this behavior.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
But I'm not like a fool that says, "We don't want to do business with them." And by the way, if they don't do business with us, you know what they do? They'll do business with the Russians or with the Chinese. They will buy -- We make the best equipment in the world, but they will buy great equipment from Russia and from China. Chuck --
CHUCK TODD:
Yeah. Alright.
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:
Take their money. Take their money, Chuck.
CHUCK TODD:
What would a candidate Trump have said about a president who, on his watch, had Iran shooting down a drone, a Venezuelan dictator thumbing his nose at you, Obamacare still on the books and no results yet on the border? The border getting tough --
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Post by pyccku on Jun 23, 2019 17:23:44 GMT
It was obvious from the beginning, but too many just don't get it - it's all about the money for Trump. Period. End of story.
Is there a profit to be made? Can he or his family benefit personally? Can his "allies" benefit financially? That's all that he cares about. No matter of wrong-doing can be heinous enough to overlook so long as the perpetrators are willing to give the right amount to Trump and his family.
It's not America first, it never has been. It's Trump first. It's not Make America Great Again, it's make my wallet fat again - but only for Trump and the 1%.
And yet millions of gullible people were stupid enough, or racist enough to fall for this con man and his grifting ways. He just had to say a few magic words to make them think he cared about Jesus, or guns, or coal - and they were ready to give him everything. Some have figured it out by now, but there are still many who are either too stupid to understand what his entire focus is, or they're too embarrassed to admit that they were scammed - or they are racist enough that they don't really care, so long as the little brown kids can be put in cages.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2019 17:36:00 GMT
The Trump supporters in my life have only gotten louder and more angry as time has worn on. I have heard the phrase "Trump Derangement Syndrome" used SERIOUSLY in several conversations now. They legitimately feel that Trump is a victim and that he has done such amazing things for this country.
The Trump supporters in my family get absolutely angry at any criticism of the President. They feel it is all unwarranted hatred from a bunch of snowflakes who are sad they lost the election. They are the angriest bunch of fucking "winners" I have met in my life.
When asked about Trump's support from White Nationalists, I hear, "Black Militants LOVED Obama." When asked about the wall, I hear that liberals are stupid for thinking "Mexico will pay for the wall" meant that Mexico would, um...actually pay for the wall. Khashoggi and Saudi Arabia? Not our business and good business! Russia? Nothing to see, nothing to worry about. Trump's frequent golf trips and their cost to the taxpayer - no big deal! Savior Trump deserves a break because he is working SO HARD to save this country! (Though I seem to remember a great deal of grumbling from these same people about lazy Obama and his frequent, 5 star vacations that he took ON THE TAXPAYERS DIME.)
The hypocrisy and hatred is out of control. Even in my own family.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 17:38:05 GMT
The Saudis will only be your “friend” if they can use you. If they can’t they will fund events like 9/11 without giving it a second thought.
The idea that United States has to “protect” Saudi Arabia is ridiculous.
trumps actions just show how dumb and easily influenced he is by those who would harm this country if it benefits them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 17:42:50 GMT
Concentration camps are exactly what they are. “Concentration camp” doesn’t mean a place where you send people to kill them. It means a place where you “concentrate” large numbers of people that you want to remove from the greater society. The WWII internment camps where we locked up Japanese-Americans (to our eternal shame) were concentration camps. Sure, we may treat people in our concentration camps better than the Nazis did, but that doesn’t change the meaning of the words. Merriam-Webster definitionWhen I think of concentration camps the first thing that comes to mind are concentration camps of the Holocaust. Doesn’t matter what the dictionary says. Ayelet Waldman who is Paul Waldman’s sister is an author who happens to live in the SF Bay Area and she is Jewish. Her last book was about an event that happened during the Holocaust. She did a book signing at a local bookstore and I went with a couple of friends. Instead of talking about just the events in her book she talked about the Holocaust in general. Afterwards my friends and I were talking about it and felt as more time goes by, people who lived and survived the Holocaust are dying and those of us who grew when it was still fresh are getting to that point as well. So it was good that there are people like Ayelet to remind us of what happened during that time because now many people look at the Holocaust in the abstract, of something that happened a long time ago and either forget or don’t acknowledge it as a that horrific time in the history of the world. And they become careless with the words they use. Maybe when the last of the Holocaust survivors and us oldies who grew up during the aftermath of this time die off the term “concentration camp” can go back to what it means in the dictionary. Until then, those detention centers, as bad as they are, are not as bad as the Nazi concentration camps. So I won’t use the term. Try telling that to someone who spent time in a Japanese concentration camp. Concentration camps were not all extermination camps even during the second world war. There were concentration camps during WW1 and to associate the word with only the Holocaust diminishes the memory of the ones that were incarcerate in other concentration camps over a very long period of history.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2019 17:54:58 GMT
the deadliest and most active form of domestic extremism Right here in the good old USA our greatest threat! ** "White supremacist, white nationalist, white extremist, sovereign citizen, anti-government, Patriot [movement], neo-Nazis, skinhead. What else?" Jensen asked two of his colleagues, Elizabeth Yates and Patrick James. "I've seen 'anti-federalist' recently," Yates said. "We also deal with a lot of just specifically anti-Muslim or anti-immigrant," James added. "Kind of xenophobic cases." That list, rattled off on the spot, is nowhere near exhaustive, but it shows the complexities of trying to better understand far-right violence, which federal authorities say is the deadliest and most active form of domestic extremism. The labels the researchers use to code attacks are part of a wider debate over what to call the far-right threat — and how politics plays into that debate. ** President Trump has dismissed white nationalists as a "small group of people." He has retweeted white nationalist accounts. And there is little daylight between his anti-immigrant speeches and those of far-right extremists. White supremacist factions were spotted among the crowds cheering for Trump at his 2020 campaign kickoff rally in Florida this week. Critics of the administration's handling of the far-right threat say it is no mystery why administration officials don't speak up more forcefully — it would put them at odds with the White House.** www.npr.org/2019/06/23/734850752/politics-shape-the-debate-over-what-to-call-far-right-extremismAnd our president says just a few of them around........... How little he knows!!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 23, 2019 17:58:11 GMT
The Trump supporters in my life have only gotten louder and more angry as time has worn on. I have heard the phrase "Trump Derangement Syndrome" used SERIOUSLY in several conversations now. They legitimately feel that Trump is a victim and that he has done such amazing things for this country. The Trump supporters in my family get absolutely angry at any criticism of the President. They feel it is all unwarranted hatred from a bunch of snowflakes who are sad they lost the election. They are the angriest bunch of fucking "winners" I have met in my life. When asked about Trump's support from White Nationalists, I hear, "Black Militants LOVED Obama." When asked about the wall, I hear that liberals are stupid for thinking "Mexico will pay for the wall" meant that Mexico would, um...actually pay for the wall. Khashoggi and Saudi Arabia? Not our business and good business! Russia? Nothing to see, nothing to worry about. Trump's frequent golf trips and their cost to the taxpayer - no big deal! Savior Trump deserves a break because he is working SO HARD to save this country! (Though I seem to remember a great deal of grumbling from these same people about lazy Obama and his frequent, 5 star vacations that he took ON THE TAXPAYERS DIME.) The hypocrisy and hatred is out of control. Even in my own family. Same with some of my family members.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 18:15:04 GMT
When I think of concentration camps the first thing that comes to mind are concentration camps of the Holocaust. Doesn’t matter what the dictionary says. Ayelet Waldman who is Paul Waldman’s sister is an author who happens to live in the SF Bay Area and she is Jewish. Her last book was about an event that happened during the Holocaust. She did a book signing at a local bookstore and I went with a couple of friends. Instead of talking about just the events in her book she talked about the Holocaust in general. Afterwards my friends and I were talking about it and felt as more time goes by, people who lived and survived the Holocaust are dying and those of us who grew when it was still fresh are getting to that point as well. So it was good that there are people like Ayelet to remind us of what happened during that time because now many people look at the Holocaust in the abstract, of something that happened a long time ago and either forget or don’t acknowledge it as a that horrific time in the history of the world. And they become careless with the words they use. Maybe when the last of the Holocaust survivors and us oldies who grew up during the aftermath of this time die off the term “concentration camp” can go back to what it means in the dictionary. Until then, those detention centers, as bad as they are, are not as bad as the Nazi concentration camps. So I won’t use the term. Try telling that to someone who spent time in a Japanese concentration camp. Concentration camps were not all extermination camps even during the second world war. There were concentration camps during WW1 and to associate the word with only the Holocaust diminishes the memory of the ones that were incarcerate in other concentration camps over a very long period of history. I guess we will just have too look at it differently.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2019 18:19:54 GMT
Try telling that to someone who spent time in a Japanese concentration camp. Concentration camps were not all extermination camps even during the second world war. There were concentration camps during WW1 and to associate the word with only the Holocaust diminishes the memory of the ones that were incarcerate in other concentration camps over a very long period of history. I guess we will just have too look at it differently. I think this argument really detracts from the issue at hand. There are no words I can find that would possibly convey the horror of the Holocaust. It is an event that stands without parallel in modern history. The suffering that Jews and other "undesirables" endured during the Nazi reign of terror is beyond imagination or explanation. I don't believe, however, that the meaning of the phrase "concentration camp" changed because of the Holocaust or that using it to (accurately) describe the camps at the border diminishes the suffering of those who died and lived through the Holocaust. As many people have pointed out, this is a phrase with an actual, literal definition that is met by the camps we have for the undocumented. These camps are not as horrific as Nazi concentration and extermination camps. But they meet the definition nonetheless. Let us not forget that while we are arguing about semantics, there are children who are separated from their parents being housed in these places. What phrase would you like to see used to describe these camps and conditions?
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Post by pyccku on Jun 23, 2019 19:33:38 GMT
As the Auschwitz Memorial twitter keeps reminding us, the Holocaust didn't start with crematoria in death camps.
While you may see a concentration camp as being very narrowly defined thing - a place just as bad as the Nazi camps, where people were killed and burned in ovens - I think that is a mistake.
What if the Germans had stood up for their fellow men when the camps were "just" concentration camps? When it was just rounding people up to keep them in one area? Maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.
What if the Germans had stood up for their fellow men when the camps were "just" work camps? When it was just rounding people up to keep them in one area, where they would be forced to work? Maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.
What if the Germans had stood up for their fellow men when the camps were "just" relocation camps? When it was just rounding people up to keep them in one area so they could be "resettled" permanently? Maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.
Because people did NOT stand up for their fellow man when the camps were "just" concentration camps, we ended up with concentration, work, and eventually death camps.
The people who argue that "these aren't concentration camps, because the kids aren't being gassed any put in ovens" are the ones who would have been happy to stand by during WW2 and say "no biggie, it's not like anyone is killing those people - they're just being moved to the country! They're probably happier there anyway."
You can choose to believe that these are not concentration camps. But when the people in charge of the Auschwitz memorial say that they are, I'm not going to disagree with them.
Seriously, at this point if you're doing mental gymnastics to excuse putting kids in camps with no parental supervision, no diapers, no soap, no toothbrushes - there's something wrong with you. When you are at the point where you are seriously saying "well, it's not really a concentration camp because..." you should stop and ask yourself what the hell you're doing and why you feel that you need to justify the existence of these camps in your country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 20:42:05 GMT
As the Auschwitz Memorial twitter keeps reminding us, the Holocaust didn't start with crematoria in death camps. While you may see a concentration camp as being very narrowly defined thing - a place just as bad as the Nazi camps, where people were killed and burned in ovens - I think that is a mistake. What if the Germans had stood up for their fellow men when the camps were "just" concentration camps? When it was just rounding people up to keep them in one area? Maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. What if the Germans had stood up for their fellow men when the camps were "just" work camps? When it was just rounding people up to keep them in one area, where they would be forced to work? Maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. What if the Germans had stood up for their fellow men when the camps were "just" relocation camps? When it was just rounding people up to keep them in one area so they could be "resettled" permanently? Maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened. Because people did NOT stand up for their fellow man when the camps were "just" concentration camps, we ended up with concentration, work, and eventually death camps. The people who argue that "these aren't concentration camps, because the kids aren't being gassed any put in ovens" are the ones who would have been happy to stand by during WW2 and say "no biggie, it's not like anyone is killing those people - they're just being moved to the country! They're probably happier there anyway." You can choose to believe that these are not concentration camps. But when the people in charge of the Auschwitz memorial say that they are, I'm not going to disagree with them. Seriously, at this point if you're doing mental gymnastics to excuse putting kids in camps with no parental supervision, no diapers, no soap, no toothbrushes - there's something wrong with you. When you are at the point where you are seriously saying "well, it's not really a concentration camp because..." you should stop and ask yourself what the hell you're doing and why you feel that you need to justify the existence of these camps in your country. I’m sorry, just who is justifying these camps, regardless of what they are called? Because I chose not to refer to them as concentration camps does not mean that I condone their existence. I would suggest you read some of my earlier posts, but it’s clear you have formed an opinion. And because I don’t use the term you think I should does not mean I “should stop and ask yourself what the hell you're doing and why you feel that you need to justify the existence of these camps in your country.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 20:54:36 GMT
linkThis from John Cornyn. - Somehow I don’t think Cornyn doesn’t think this is a good thing. “Texas gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident last year texastribune.org/2019/06/20/tex… via @texastribune” From the Texas Tribune... “Texas gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident last year”From the article... “New census estimates show Texas' Hispanic population growth continues to surpass white population growth, with Hispanics on pace to soon represent a plurality. The gap between Texas’ Hispanic and white populations continued to narrow last year when the state gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident. With Hispanics expected to become the largest population group in Texas as soon as 2022, new population estimates released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau showed the Hispanic population climbed to nearly 11.4 million — an annual gain of 214,736 through July 2018 and an increase of 1.9 million since 2010.“
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 20:58:54 GMT
Reuters...
”Iran says decision to decrease commitment to nuclear deal is irreversible”
Thanks trump...
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Post by Merge on Jun 23, 2019 21:16:15 GMT
linkThis from John Cornyn. - Somehow I don’t think Cornyn doesn’t think this is a good thing. “Texas gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident last year texastribune.org/2019/06/20/tex… via @texastribune” From the Texas Tribune... “Texas gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident last year”From the article... “New census estimates show Texas' Hispanic population growth continues to surpass white population growth, with Hispanics on pace to soon represent a plurality. The gap between Texas’ Hispanic and white populations continued to narrow last year when the state gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident. With Hispanics expected to become the largest population group in Texas as soon as 2022, new population estimates released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau showed the Hispanic population climbed to nearly 11.4 million — an annual gain of 214,736 through July 2018 and an increase of 1.9 million since 2010.“ Oh it scares the crap out of him, along with every other white republican in power in Texas.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 23, 2019 21:30:14 GMT
Bradley Whitford “We need to get off our phones and liberate these children from this madness. Or it will continue. They need to hear us. We need to go to them. Let’s get the locations. Fourth of July. #FreeTheChildren” about this.. “Horrifying: 4 Severely Ill Migrant Toddlers Hospitalized After Lawyers Visit Border Patrol Facility” Now this isn’t a bad idea. While trump holds his campaign rally, at the expense of the American Taxpayers, at the Lincoln Monument, there should be huge rallies out of the detention centers that are holding these kids. I refuse to use the term “concentration camp” until such time these centers start gassing these children.Concentration camps are exactly what they are. “Concentration camp” doesn’t mean a place where you send people to kill them. It means a place where you “concentrate” large numbers of people that you want to remove from the greater society. The WWII internment camps where we locked up Japanese-Americans (to our eternal shame) were concentration camps. Sure, we may treat people in our concentration camps better than the Nazis did, but that doesn’t change the meaning of the words. Merriam-Webster definition I agree. Just like "federal prison" or "jail" vary in levels of humane treatment (or lack there of) they are all federal prisons and jails. Those who have been there/seen them would have varying added personal definitions based on experience but the original definition(s) stay intact. That's more of a personal take just as some Jewish people and some Japanese Americans have come in defense AOC and some have disagreed and been offended. IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 22:36:26 GMT
AP...
”Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says he wants to build a global coalition against Iran during urgent consultations in the Middle East, following a week of crisis that saw the United States pull back from the brink of a military strike on Iran.”
Our allies should remember one word “Iraq”.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2019 22:45:46 GMT
AP... ”Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says he wants to build a global coalition against Iran during urgent consultations in the Middle East, following a week of crisis that saw the United States pull back from the brink of a military strike on Iran.” Our allies should remember one word “Iraq”. They may be our allies, but are they going to respond as they did in the past?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 22:46:01 GMT
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”A group of Republican state senators in Oregon remain in hiding after walking out of the state Capitol over refusing to vote on a climate change bill.”
Little cowards. There is nothing righteous about this “stand”.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 22:48:31 GMT
ABC News..
”A group of Republican state senators in Oregon remain in hiding after walking out of the state Capitol over refusing to vote on a climate change bill.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 22:51:47 GMT
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”Former Pennsylvania congressman and retired three-star admiral Joe Sestak announced Sunday he is running for president, becoming the 25th candidate to seek the Democratic nomination. Sestak, a Vietnam War veteran who also served in Iraq and Afghanistan, made his announcement in a video posted to his campaign website.”
Oh for heaven sakes, not another one.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 23, 2019 22:58:20 GMT
AP... ”Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says he wants to build a global coalition against Iran during urgent consultations in the Middle East, following a week of crisis that saw the United States pull back from the brink of a military strike on Iran.” Our allies should remember one word “Iraq”. Do we still have allies? Or are our allies now Russia, North Korea and Venezuela? I just can't remember who Trump thinks is on our side anymore. I know it's not the British or the French or the Germans or the Canadians....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 1:07:10 GMT
Newsweek...
”GEORGE CONWAY MOCKS IDEA OF TRUMP PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AS A 'DOUBLE OXYMORON”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 24, 2019 1:19:25 GMT
Exclusive: Leaked Trump vetting docs06/23/2019 Jonathan Swan, Juliet Bartz, Alayna Treene, Orion Rummler Why it matters: The massive trove, and the story behind it, sheds light on the slap-dash way President Trump filled his cabinet and administration, and foreshadowed future scandals that beset his government. Some highlights: Scott Pruitt, who ultimately lost his job as EPA Administrator because of serial ethical abuses and clubbiness with lobbyists, had a section in his vetting form titled "allegations of coziness with big energy companies." Tom Price, who ultimately resigned as Health and Human Services Secretary after Trump lost confidence in him in part for stories about his use of chartered flights, had sections in his dossier flagging "criticisms of management ability" and "Dysfunction And Division Has Haunted Price's Leadership Of The House Budget Committee." Mick Mulvaney, who became Trump's Budget Director and is now his acting chief of staff, has a striking assortment of "red flags," including his assessment that Trump "is not a very good person." ** Behind the scenes: In the chaotic weeks after Trump's surprise election victory, Trump fired Chris Christie as the head of his transition. The team that took over — which V.P. Mike Pence helmed — outsourced the political vetting of would-be top officials to the Republican National Committee. We obtained the political vetting forms that Trump and his senior aides were given for Ben Carson, Dan Coats, Betsy DeVos, Gary Cohn, Don McGahn, Elaine Chao, John Kelly, James Mattis, John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney, Nikki Haley, Rex Tillerson, Rick Perry, Robert Lighthizer, Ryan Zinke, Scott Pruitt, and many others. ** The RNC researchers identified some striking "Red Flags." The first red flag for Rex Tillerson, who became Trump’s first Secretary of State, was about Russia. "Tillerson's Russia ties go deep," it read. One red flag for Fox News host Laura Ingraham, considered for White House press secretary: "Ingraham said people should wear diapers instead of sharing bathrooms with transgender people." One heading in the document about Kris Kobach, in the running for Homeland Security Secretary, listed "white supremacy" as a vulnerability. It cited accusations from past political opponents that he had ties to white supremacist groups.** Some of the contenders were strikingly swampy — even by the RNC vetters' standards. Seema Verma, who Trump appointed as the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, had this paragraph near the top of her vetting form: "Verma was simultaneously advising Indiana ($3.5 million in contracts) on issues impacting how it would spend Medicaid funds while she was also being paid by a client that received Medicaid funds. Ethics experts have called the arrangement a conflict of interest that potentially put Indiana taxpayers at risk." Sonny Perdue, Trump's pick for Agriculture Secretary, had a vetting form with sections labeled "Business conflicts of interest" and "Family conflicts of interest." It noted that "Perdue is the owner of Houston Fertilizer and Grain, a company that has received contracts from the Department of Agriculture." ** www.axios.com/leaked-donald-trump-vetting-docs-hbo-6ce3cd26-1eb9-4da8-b15e-47b56020aef7.htmlThere is a lot more available at link and elsewhere!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 1:40:53 GMT
linkNPR... ”As housing prices surge, Democrats running for president in 2020 are offering up their plans for affordable housing.” So what is trump’s plan for affordable housing?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 1:47:52 GMT
Mike Gilpatrick...
”Donald Trump meets 30 men to discuss future of maternity care under new healthcare bill. Not one woman.”
If people don’t understand what is wrong with this.....
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 24, 2019 2:36:41 GMT
Try telling that to someone who spent time in a Japanese concentration camp. Concentration camps were not all extermination camps even during the second world war. There were concentration camps during WW1 and to associate the word with only the Holocaust diminishes the memory of the ones that were incarcerate in other concentration camps over a very long period of history. I guess we will just have too look at it differently. I wonder if it had been someone besides AOC that drew the comparison if it would impact your perspective. Every historian and concentration camp expert I follow on twitter (and that is a huge chunk of my twitter feed) agrees with her terminology and characterization.
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Post by redhead32 on Jun 24, 2019 2:40:03 GMT
Exclusive: Leaked Trump vetting docs06/23/2019 Jonathan Swan, Juliet Bartz, Alayna Treene, Orion Rummler Why it matters: The massive trove, and the story behind it, sheds light on the slap-dash way President Trump filled his cabinet and administration, and foreshadowed future scandals that beset his government. Some highlights: Scott Pruitt, who ultimately lost his job as EPA Administrator because of serial ethical abuses and clubbiness with lobbyists, had a section in his vetting form titled "allegations of coziness with big energy companies." Tom Price, who ultimately resigned as Health and Human Services Secretary after Trump lost confidence in him in part for stories about his use of chartered flights, had sections in his dossier flagging "criticisms of management ability" and "Dysfunction And Division Has Haunted Price's Leadership Of The House Budget Committee." Mick Mulvaney, who became Trump's Budget Director and is now his acting chief of staff, has a striking assortment of "red flags," including his assessment that Trump "is not a very good person." ** Behind the scenes: In the chaotic weeks after Trump's surprise election victory, Trump fired Chris Christie as the head of his transition. The team that took over — which V.P. Mike Pence helmed — outsourced the political vetting of would-be top officials to the Republican National Committee. We obtained the political vetting forms that Trump and his senior aides were given for Ben Carson, Dan Coats, Betsy DeVos, Gary Cohn, Don McGahn, Elaine Chao, John Kelly, James Mattis, John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney, Nikki Haley, Rex Tillerson, Rick Perry, Robert Lighthizer, Ryan Zinke, Scott Pruitt, and many others. ** The RNC researchers identified some striking "Red Flags." The first red flag for Rex Tillerson, who became Trump’s first Secretary of State, was about Russia. "Tillerson's Russia ties go deep," it read. One red flag for Fox News host Laura Ingraham, considered for White House press secretary: "Ingraham said people should wear diapers instead of sharing bathrooms with transgender people." One heading in the document about Kris Kobach, in the running for Homeland Security Secretary, listed "white supremacy" as a vulnerability. It cited accusations from past political opponents that he had ties to white supremacist groups.** Some of the contenders were strikingly swampy — even by the RNC vetters' standards. Seema Verma, who Trump appointed as the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, had this paragraph near the top of her vetting form: "Verma was simultaneously advising Indiana ($3.5 million in contracts) on issues impacting how it would spend Medicaid funds while she was also being paid by a client that received Medicaid funds. Ethics experts have called the arrangement a conflict of interest that potentially put Indiana taxpayers at risk." Sonny Perdue, Trump's pick for Agriculture Secretary, had a vetting form with sections labeled "Business conflicts of interest" and "Family conflicts of interest." It noted that "Perdue is the owner of Houston Fertilizer and Grain, a company that has received contracts from the Department of Agriculture." ** www.axios.com/leaked-donald-trump-vetting-docs-hbo-6ce3cd26-1eb9-4da8-b15e-47b56020aef7.htmlThere is a lot more available at link and elsewhere!! I watched the Axios video clip where they showed Chris Christie his vetting information, and then asked him about what he had done prior to getting fired. The video made me feel gross because I walked away thinking that Christie actually understood what vetting needed to take place, had done the leg work, had prepared the forms, and then got canned because he had prosecuted Kusher's dad. The job then got handed over to 20 year olds on the Trump team. I felt bad for Christie ... thus, the gross feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 3:32:01 GMT
I guess we will just have too look at it differently. I wonder if it had been someone besides AOC that drew the comparison if it would impact your perspective. Every historian and concentration camp expert I follow on twitter (and that is a huge chunk of my twitter feed) agrees with her terminology and characterization. I certainly am not a fan of AOC and make no secret of it, but the fact I chose not to call those detention centers concentration camps has nothing to do with how I feel about AOC. Sorry to disappoint. Just because everyone else “does it” is no reason I should do it as well.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 24, 2019 13:39:37 GMT
Re: the consentration/internment or whatever you choose to call them, the result is the same. People are being mistreated are hurt and suffering.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 15:15:06 GMT
linkThis is priceless... From CNN.. “Supreme Court to consider $12 billion lawsuit over Obamacare payments to health insurance companies”From the article... ” However, insurers had a tough time setting premiums since they didn't know how sick their new customers would be. Too many miscalculated in the early years, racking up billions in losses.Republicans, championed by Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, succeeded in requiring the program to be budget neutral after insurers had already set their 2014 rates. So insurers only received a fraction of the risk corridor payments they requested because the amount far exceeded what was contributed. That huge shortfall forced some smaller insurers to shut their doors and prompted some others to stop offering coverage on the exchanges.” This is what insurance companies do, is determine potential losses. They have entire actuarial departments to do this and they blew it. I read that the insurance companies had miscalculated the number of potential losses a couple of years ago and my first thought was what did you think was going to happen after years of denying sick people insurance? And this is why I have always felt the Feds should have required all states to expand Medicaid because that is another pool of folks, that when and if they get get health care, the amount paid in claims is going to be HUGE and because of this unknown, the projections for the cost of Medicare for all is flawed.
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