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Post by DEX on Jul 15, 2019 16:32:18 GMT
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Pearl Clutcher
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Post by DEX on Jul 15, 2019 16:39:30 GMT
From Newsweek Trump Campaign Staffer Claims 'Twitter Is Lying,' Says President Never Tweeted 'Go Back' To House Democrats Benjamin Fearnow 16 hrs ago A Trump 2020 campaign director claimed the president did not tell several U.S.-born Democratic congresswomen to "go back" to their native countries — by re-sharing the exact tweet in which the president wrote those very words. Matt Wolking ,Deputy Director of Communications at Donald J. Trump for President, Inc., claimed Sunday afternoon that Twitter was "lying" and that President Donald Trump had not, in fact, suggested just hours earlier that several progressive House Democrats should go back to their "crime infested" countries of origin. Trump administration critics immediately called out what appears to be a blatant attempt by a staffer to cover up Trump's own very public, harsh words. "Anyone who says the president told members of Congress to go back to where they came from is lying. He told them to, 'Then come back and show us how it is done,'" Wolking tweeted Sunday, showing a screenshot of Trump's earlier Sunday tweets. "So @twittermoments is lying," Wolking continued, claiming the social media platform's news feature was surfacing words other than the president's own. "Fake news @pbump wrong again," he tweeted later Sunday afternoon. Of the "Squad" members Trump referenced-- New York congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Michigan's Rashida Tlaib, Minnesota's Ilhan Omar and Massachusetts' Ayanna Pressley — only Omar was born in a foreign country, Somalia, though she has lived in the U.S. since she was 10 years old. Trump's initial Sunday morning tweet directly contradicted Wolking's claim, "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can't leave fast enough. I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements! "If your job is to put a good face on Trump's tweets, here's where you land," replied a stunned Philip Bump of The Washington Post. "The guy who says that telling someone to leave and then come back doesn't count as telling them to leave also claims that Trump not presenting evidence when making a claim doesn't count if evidence comes out later." "This is astonishing gaslighting. He's pretending the sentence right before the highlight simply doesn't exist," National Review Institute Fellow David French responded, retweeting Wolking's commentary. "Quoting Trump is now 'lying' according to Trump's 'Director of Rapid Response'," wrote frequent Trump critic Judd Legum, of Popular Information. "The Trump rapid response team is under the impression people can be tricked with some sneaky highlighting of the one non racist clause in the tweet," mocked Tim Miller of The Bulwark. Wolking responded to several journalists calling out his contradiction, "As usual, members of the media are misleading Americans by using selective quotes and not telling the whole story," he replied Sunday afternoon. Former Republican and Trump nemesis, Michigan congressman Justin Amash had previously blasted Trump as a "racist" for suggesting several of U.S.-born women "go back" to so-called "crime infested" countries: "To tell these American citizens (most of whom were born here) to "go back" to the "crime infested places from which they came" is racist and disgusting," Amash tweeted Sunday. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also piled on the criticism of Trump's "go back" demand, "When @realdonaldtrump tells four American Congresswomen to go back to their countries, he reaffirms his plan to "Make America Great Again" has always been about making America white again. Our diversity is our strength and our unity is our power."
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 15, 2019 16:55:10 GMT
I'm a little confused. Are you saying that AOC is the problem? Was Hilary also the problem? And Ayana Pressley? Let's be clear about who the problem is. It is Trump and his supporters. He will say anything about anyone who runs against him or speaks out against him. It doesn't matter who they are. He'll have his deplorables bused out to his rallies and tell lies and unAmerican racist shit about ANYONE who runs against him or opposes whatever the hell it is that he stands for. And shame on the Republicans for not speaking out against him for this shit. AOC has a big mouth and as far as she is concerned, there is only one way and it’s hers. She is combative. That whole stunt with Nancy Pelosi being a racist was just that a stunt because she didn’t get her way. She is the far far left. In this election where we must dump trump we don’t need her as the face of the Democratic Party. She is a BIG negative distraction as apparently the rest of her squad are and one the Democrats don’t need. You and I understand what the problem is but what about the voters in the mid west who don’t pay much attention to what is happening. What they are going to “hear” is the Democratic Party is the party of American hating commies. Defending the party against this takes takes away from selling what the Democrats can do if elected. Just what the Republicans want. Tha fuck? This voter in the Midwest is paying close attention to what is happening. As are many others out here. No broad brushes please. Thanks.
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maryannscraps
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 15, 2019 17:05:02 GMT
I'm a little confused. Are you saying that AOC is the problem? Was Hilary also the problem? And Ayana Pressley? Let's be clear about who the problem is. It is Trump and his supporters. He will say anything about anyone who runs against him or speaks out against him. It doesn't matter who they are. He'll have his deplorables bused out to his rallies and tell lies and unAmerican racist shit about ANYONE who runs against him or opposes whatever the hell it is that he stands for. And shame on the Republicans for not speaking out against him for this shit. AOC has a big mouth and as far as she is concerned, there is only one way and it’s hers. She is combative. That whole stunt with Nancy Pelosi being a racist was just that a stunt because she didn’t get her way. She is the far far left. In this election where we must dump trump we don’t need her as the face of the Democratic Party. She is a BIG negative distraction as apparently the rest of her squad are and one the Democrats don’t need. You and I understand what the problem is but what about the voters in the mid west who don’t pay much attention to what is happening. What they are going to “hear” is the Democratic Party is the party of American hating commies. Defending the party against this takes takes away from selling what the Democrats can do if elected. Just what the Republicans want. I've typed out about ten different replies, but all of them are offensive. I'll just say that I'm sorry you feel this way. Don't forget who the real opponent is here.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 17:10:14 GMT
I'm a little confused. Are you saying that AOC is the problem? Was Hilary also the problem? And Ayana Pressley? Let's be clear about who the problem is. It is Trump and his supporters. He will say anything about anyone who runs against him or speaks out against him. It doesn't matter who they are. He'll have his deplorables bused out to his rallies and tell lies and unAmerican racist shit about ANYONE who runs against him or opposes whatever the hell it is that he stands for. And shame on the Republicans for not speaking out against him for this shit. AOC has a big mouth and as far as she is concerned, there is only one way and it’s hers. She is combative. That whole stunt with Nancy Pelosi being a racist was just that a stunt because she didn’t get her way. She is the far far left. In this election where we must dump trump we don’t need her as the face of the Democratic Party. She is a BIG negative distraction as apparently the rest of her squad are and one the Democrats don’t need. You and I understand what the problem is but what about the voters in the mid west who don’t pay much attention to what is happening. What they are going to “hear” is the Democratic Party is the party of American hating commies. Defending the party against this takes takes away from selling what the Democrats can do if elected. Just what the Republicans want. Well, that’s patronizing. For the record, there are a lot of informed people who pay attention in the Midwest. 😒
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 17:19:02 GMT
AOC has a big mouth and as far as she is concerned, there is only one way and it’s hers. She is combative. That whole stunt with Nancy Pelosi being a racist was just that a stunt because she didn’t get her way. She is the far far left. In this election where we must dump trump we don’t need her as the face of the Democratic Party. She is a BIG negative distraction as apparently the rest of her squad are and one the Democrats don’t need. You and I understand what the problem is but what about the voters in the mid west who don’t pay much attention to what is happening. What they are going to “hear” is the Democratic Party is the party of American hating commies. Defending the party against this takes takes away from selling what the Democrats can do if elected. Just what the Republicans want. Well, that’s patronizing. For the record are a lot of informed people who pay attention in the Midwest. 😒 . Read what I said. The people in the mid west who don”t pay attention. No where is that ALL voters in the mid-west. Because of the minority wins electoral college It was the voters in the mid west that pushed trump over the line for the win. The very last thing the Democrats want to do is defend the party to these “voters who don’t pay attention”. Again note, I’m not saying ALL voters in the mid west.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 17:20:46 GMT
In other news - robbing from the poor to engorge the sickeningly rich
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 17:29:09 GMT
AGAIN I DID NOT SAY ALL MID WEST VOTERS. I SAID THOSE THAT DON’T PAY ATTENTION. THERE iS A DIFFERENCE.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 17:37:45 GMT
Reuters...
”They hate our country': Trump doubles down on xenophobic attacks on four Democratic congresswomen of color”
And I rest my case.
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lesley
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Post by lesley on Jul 15, 2019 17:37:57 GMT
As opposed to West Coast voters who don't pay attention, or New Englanders who don’t pay attention? Well, here’s a Scottish response to that. "Aye, right."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 15, 2019 17:54:55 GMT
They are communists... Yes I think they are communists!! Says the person who thinks Putin and Kim Jong Un are wonderful people.... Kim who dt has fallen in love with. Maybe we should tell dt to go live with them!
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 15, 2019 17:55:17 GMT
I think some of you are misinterpreting @fred 's posts. She clearly said that none of what Trump is posting is true. And she’s correct in saying it does not matter because his supporters will take it as gospel. He’s using these four – AOC, Pressley, Omar, Tlaib – as weapons. Does anyone really doubt that? Once again, she's correct in her assessment because that is exactly what Trump is doing.
Of all people, do you really think she’s unaware that the goal is to defeat Trump in 2020? She must have dozens of posts just on that. These four ARE a problem because they’re destabilizing their own party and targeting their own members. There is never a justification for doing that crap, and most especially NOT NOW when the Dems need to be coalescing as one solid group. They’re the ones diverting the attention from the ultimate goal of 2020.
Sheesh. Disagree with her all you like (she and I have a history of a few vehement disagreements), but whatever she wrote here is the truth, unpleasant as it is.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 17:59:52 GMT
Well, that’s patronizing. For the record are a lot of informed people who pay attention in the Midwest. 😒 . Read what I said. The people in the mid west who don”t pay attention. No where is that ALL voters in the mid-west. Because of the minority wins electoral college It was the voters in the mid west that pushed trump over the line for the win. The very last thing the Democrats want to do is defend the party to these “voters who don’t pay attention”. Again note, I’m not saying ALL voters in the mid west. I feel it was unnecessary. There are people who don’t pay attention - or even turn up to vote - all over the country
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 18:08:44 GMT
I think some of you are misinterpreting @fred 's posts. She clearly said that none of what Trump is posting is true. And she’s correct in saying it does not matter because his supporters will take it as gospel. He’s using these four – AOC, Pressley, Omar, Tlaib – as weapons. Does anyone really doubt that? Once again, she's correct in her assessment because that is exactly what Trump is doing. Of all people, do you really think she’s unaware that the goal is to defeat Trump in 2020? She must have dozens of posts just on that. These four ARE a problem because they’re destabilizing their own party and targeting their own members. There is never a justification for doing that crap, and most especially NOT NOW when the Dems need to be coalescing as one solid group. They’re the ones diverting the attention from the ultimate goal of 2020. Sheesh. Disagree with her all you like (she and I have a history of a few vehement disagreements), but whatever she wrote here is the truth, unpleasant as it is. No, she’s not wrong about that. I did focus on the one thing I objected to, but I do agree he’s deliberately cherrypicked those four because they are somewhat polarizing figures -even for some Democrats, and they are the best known examples of the “radical left“ he can point to - for various reasons. Also doesn’t hurt they’re all women, it’s like the cherry on top of the cherry for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 18:20:52 GMT
As opposed to West Coast voters who don't pay attention, or New Englanders who don’t pay attention? Well, here’s a Scottish response to that. "Aye, right." trump won the election by less than 100,000 votes spread across three states. Two of which are in the mid west. The current version of the electoral college give an edge to smaller states, most of who are in the mid west. Which makes their vote important. In other words their vote counts more than mine in CA. It is a sad reality there are voters spread across the entire United States who really don’t pay attention to elections. They just pick up bits and pieces and vote accordingly. Note here I’m not saying all voters. The Democrats need to win these three states that gave trump the win as well as other states in the mid west. Which means the Democratic Presidential Candidates can’t waste time convincing these folks who are not fully engaged in politics and elections that the Democratic Party is not the party of America hating commies. The Democrats have a message, the Republicans do not, because of this, the Republicans are trying to control the narrative and their target , once again, are the voters who are not fully engaged in politics and elections. Especially in the mid west because it was the mid west that gave them the White House.
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sueg
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Post by sueg on Jul 15, 2019 18:28:16 GMT
Reuters... ”They hate our country': Trump doubles down on xenophobic attacks on four Democratic congresswomen of color” And I rest my case. So, should the Democrats not put forward POC for election, so as not to make more targets for him?
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 18:42:24 GMT
As opposed to West Coast voters who don't pay attention, or New Englanders who don’t pay attention? Well, here’s a Scottish response to that. "Aye, right." trump won the election by less than 100,000 votes spread across three states. Two of which are in the mid west. The current version of the electoral college give an edge to smaller states, most of who are in the mid west. Which makes their vote important. In other words their vote counts more than mine in CA. It is a sad reality there are voters spread across the entire United States who really don’t pay attention to elections. They just pick up bits and pieces and vote accordingly. Note here I’m not saying all voters. The Democrats need to win these three states that gave trump the win as well as other states in the mid west. Which means the Democratic Presidential Candidates can’t waste time convincing these folks who are not fully engaged in politics and elections that the Democratic Party is not the party of America hating commies. The Democrats have a message, the Republicans do not, because of this, the Republicans are trying to control the narrative and their target , once again, are the voters who are not fully engaged in politics and elections. Especially in the mid west because it was the mid west that gave them the White House. It wasn’t just the Midwest. It was those people all over the country who didn’t feel engaged or bothered enough to cast a vote at all.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 18:50:59 GMT
Reuters... ”They hate our country': Trump doubles down on xenophobic attacks on four Democratic congresswomen of color” And I rest my case. So, should the Democrats not put forward POC for election, so as not to make more targets for him? That’s definitely not the solution. But I do think the democrats, as a whole, need to pick and focus their 2020 battles, currently. Some things need to be put on the shelf for later, and the entire focus should be getting him out of office, and the senate roadblocks. Because if Trump gets back in, and they have to fight Mitch McConnell and his majority senate for that four years, those things will be on the shelf for four more years anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 18:53:37 GMT
trump won the election by less than 100,000 votes spread across three states. Two of which are in the mid west. The current version of the electoral college give an edge to smaller states, most of who are in the mid west. Which makes their vote important. In other words their vote counts more than mine in CA. It is a sad reality there are voters spread across the entire United States who really don’t pay attention to elections. They just pick up bits and pieces and vote accordingly. Note here I’m not saying all voters.The Democrats need to win these three states that gave trump the win as well as other states in the mid west. Which means the Democratic Presidential Candidates can’t waste time convincing these folks who are not fully engaged in politics and elections that the Democratic Party is not the party of America hating commies. The Democrats have a message, the Republicans do not, because of this, the Republicans are trying to control the narrative and their target , once again, are the voters who are not fully engaged in politics and elections. Especially in the mid west because it was the mid west that gave them the White House. It wasn’t just the Midwest. It was those people all over the country who didn’t feel engaged or bothered enough to cast a vote at all. It is clear you are having a hard time understanding what I’m saying, see the bolded paragraph. I have no more ways of explaining it. I’m done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 18:56:03 GMT
Reuters...
”It doesn't concern me': Trump responds to criticism that his Twitter attacks on four Democratic congresswomen of color were racist and that white nationalists are using them to find common cause with the president”
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 15, 2019 19:08:11 GMT
Because if Trump gets back in, and they have to fight Mitch McConnell and his majority senate for that four years, those things will be on the shelf for four more years anyway. IF reelected McConnell will be there for SIX years!. Vote/support Amy McGrath! A dollar, 5 dollars, whatever! IF dt gets reelected, the USA will not recover!
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 19:12:04 GMT
Because if Trump gets back in, and they have to fight Mitch McConnell and his majority senate for that four years, those things will be on the shelf for four more years anyway. IF reelected McConnell will be there for SIX years!. Vote/support Amy McGrath! A dollar, 5 dollars, whatever! IF dt gets reelected, the USA will not recover! I was meaning the Trump/McConnell combo - but yes that is correct.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 19:13:36 GMT
It wasn’t just the Midwest. It was those people all over the country who didn’t feel engaged or bothered enough to cast a vote at all. It is clear you are having a hard time understanding what I’m saying, see the bolded paragraph. I have no more ways of explaining it. I’m done. I get it, I just don’t completely agree with it. 🤷🏻♀️ I thought your original comment came off patronizing, much like the above does - I stand by that.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 15, 2019 19:45:34 GMT
It is clear you are having a hard time understanding what I’m saying, see the bolded paragraph. I have no more ways of explaining it. I’m done. I get it, I just don’t completely agree with it. 🤷🏻♀️ I thought your original comment came off patronizing, much like the above does - I stand by that. I think if it takes this much discussion to clarify what was meant, and it hit a nerve with a lot of people who interpreted it the same way, that it was poorly worded in the OP. I’m just referring to the Midwest comment here, not the rest of what Fred is saying.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 15, 2019 20:13:38 GMT
viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. ummm-- this IS what they're doing, through being an elected member of Congress!! he is such an unmitigated piece of trash.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 15, 2019 20:13:43 GMT
I was patient. I waited all day to hear one sitting Republican denounce these tweets and it didn't happen. I waited all day (I did post about it on Facebook this morning) to hear one republican say that wasn't alright. And it's...just...silent... What in the hell is going on? Why is our world so f-ing crazy? When did it happen? Why didn't I see it coming? All those people I worked alongside for so many years...I thought they were decent people. I just feel sick. These aren’t your grandpa’s republicans anymore they won’t comment because ... Remember ‘We WON! SO THERE!’ It’s a comment I haven’t forgotten and it still, nearly 3 years later, shows who they really are at heart. Originally that comment changed my perspective about a single pea, but since the national R party as a whole have taken this on as a rallying cry it’s soured me on them as a whole. I’ll check them out if ever the country as a whole means more to them than ‘we won so there’ Nothing brought the sentiment home to me more than Kavanaughs confirmation. Not because of the woman who came forward. That did not even need to play out, but because of the easily proven perjury in his Senate hearing. He lied about knowing stuff & the emails were released proving he lied. The next nominee on the supposed short list is purportedly even more conservative so they wouldn’t have lost a conservative seat. But screw them & screw the country I’ll approve THIS nominee come hell or high water because I CAN. Fuck y’all we won so there. I’m not like that. I don’t like when things operate that way. But I’m most certainly not a left wing radical either, so where do I fit in going forward? I probably disagree as much with AOC & the new super progressives as I do Republicans ( who’ve all gone so far right I don’t recognize them ) but at least they are open and their intentions are heading in the right place. Right now I’m securely anti Trump & anti plutocracy. ( I get to see the results of those policies daily at work NJ still has the highest foreclosure rate in the nation ) but after that where do I fit in? Politically where do I go from here - assuming we don’t become that feudal plutocracy that Trump wants so badly because then ‘viva le resistance’
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Post by hop2 on Jul 15, 2019 20:23:48 GMT
He will say anything about anyone who runs against him or speaks out against him. It doesn't matter who they are. He'll have his deplorables bused out to his rallies and tell lies and unAmerican racist shit about ANYONE who runs against him or opposes whatever the hell it is that he stands for. And shame on the Republicans for not speaking out against him for this shit. This has always been Trump’s MO. Don’t run for planning or zoning board re-election after opposing one of his projects because when you do your life will be torn apart with lies & insinuations. Don’t work for him, because if you do one of 2 things will happen A- he won’t pay you for the work you’ve done B- your his scapegoat when something he’s doing wrong catches up to him. You’ll be sacrificed & nothing happens to him. Still all true today just look at your filled in bingo cards & ask those people how fast he turned on them for HIS mistakes.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 15, 2019 20:38:57 GMT
As opposed to West Coast voters who don't pay attention, or New Englanders who don’t pay attention? Well, here’s a Scottish response to that. "Aye, right." I wonder if that response is similar in meaning as to when I told my Ex ‘whatever’ ? Which he once told me he took as ‘F you’ which I hadn’t meant that way previously but it did become my mantra after that. Previously I used it to mean ‘whatever- this discussion is not worth my time- not the hill I’m dying on’ or ‘whatever - if you think I’m going to believe that lie guess again I’m not that stupid but I’ll let you think I am so you leave me the hell alone’ So after he says he took it as F you I said it all the more often because it was a good idea. 👍🏻
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Post by hop2 on Jul 15, 2019 20:40:26 GMT
. Read what I said. The people in the mid west who don”t pay attention. No where is that ALL voters in the mid-west. Because of the minority wins electoral college It was the voters in the mid west that pushed trump over the line for the win. The very last thing the Democrats want to do is defend the party to these “voters who don’t pay attention”. Again note, I’m not saying ALL voters in the mid west. I feel it was unnecessary. There are people who don’t pay attention - or even turn up to vote - all over the country 33% is high turnout in NJ so she could call them out too
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 20:41:37 GMT
I get it, I just don’t completely agree with it. 🤷🏻♀️ I thought your original comment came off patronizing, much like the above does - I stand by that. I think if it takes this much discussion to clarify what was meant, and it hit a nerve with a lot of people who interpreted it the same way, that it was poorly worded in the OP. I’m just referring to the Midwest comment here, not the rest of what Fred is saying. Yes, that’s all I disagreed with. I thought a lot of points mentioned were on point, aside from that. But now (first time for everything, lol) I feel like I’ve been dismissed back to the kids table from the adults one, so I’m just going to let it go. 😅 When I’ve vocally disagreed with something Trump did, I’ve been told by people who voted for him to go home if I don’t like it. Not the same racial context as today’s tweets, but still in the philosophical vein of “love it or go home” he seems to embrace.
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