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Post by hop2 on Jul 15, 2019 20:42:17 GMT
Because if Trump gets back in, and they have to fight Mitch McConnell and his majority senate for that four years, those things will be on the shelf for four more years anyway. IF reelected McConnell will be there for SIX years!. Vote/support Amy McGrath! A dollar, 5 dollars, whatever! IF dt gets reelected, the USA will not recover! i deeply fear your correct
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Post by hop2 on Jul 15, 2019 20:46:22 GMT
I think if it takes this much discussion to clarify what was meant, and it hit a nerve with a lot of people who interpreted it the same way, that it was poorly worded in the OP. I’m just referring to the Midwest comment here, not the rest of what Fred is saying. Yes, that’s all I disagreed with. I thought a lot of points mentioned were on point, aside from that. But now (first time for everything, lol) I feel like I’ve been dismissed back to the kids table from the adults one, so I’m just going to let it go. 😅 When I’ve vocally disagreed with something Trump did, I’ve been told by people who voted for him to go home if I don’t like it. Not the same racial context as today’s tweets, but still in the philosophical vein of “love it or go home” he seems to embrace. Nah, go to the voting booth 👍🏻
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 15, 2019 20:55:32 GMT
This is incredible. I can guarantee the Republicans are having a blast watching Democrats pummel each other. Really, this is what some of you want to make an issue of – that fred wrote voters in the Midwest who don’t pay attention? And continue to criticize her after she’d clarified what she wrote? This reminds me of the time when I wrote about someone here who, when there's a debate going on, will zoom in on the most inconsequential portion of the thread instead of addressing the actual issue. I said it was like there's this huge problem with flashing neon lights around it and someone comes along and complains one of the bulbs seems dim.
This is fred – you know, the person who’s on thread number 27 (!) of highlighting everything that’s wrong in this administration and all the injustices Republicans sic on the daily. There’s no one on this board who had gone through the lengths she’s gone to inform and make everyone aware of what’s going on. That is not a simple feat. So, please, enough with criticizing someone who is on your side. We may all disagree on one thing or another, but we are all on the same side. We need to stop this needless denunciation of each other over something that is not even consequential.
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Post by withapea on Jul 15, 2019 21:31:45 GMT
My unpopular opinion, I think the four reaping so much hate are a breath of fresh air. Perfect? Of course not. And there isn't one person or platform that I agree with everything on and I think that's pretty typical. Painting AOC as the left's Louie Gohmert is disingenuous and ridiculous. That "Squad" that so many hate are inspirational to a lot of people who haven't been represented before. And really, Nancy is not helping her case, a good leader reins everyone in for sure but needs to be open and listen too. She's dismissive and she's undermining members of her own party publicly, it's not a good look either. Nancy is truly a legendary figure, she's tough and smart and I was all for her remaining Speaker but I'm losing faith in her. The GOP have zero ethics, they have gone all in on Trumpism, that is what that party is now. Trying to placate them is a waste of time; they're going to weaponize, name call, play dirty regardless of who it is. They are getting away with everything. The mid-terms were a call to be a check on the GOP and that's not really happening. We've had Dems voting with Trump, confirming shady cabinet members and ultra-conservative judges with barely a peep from the party. Think that everybody just wants more middle of the road, status quo Democratic party MO of the last few decades? It's not true. I cannot stress enough how far the parties have moved to the right over that last few decades, shifting to the left a bit is a correction, it will not tip us into the "radical left abyss". We really can have a range of representation on the progressive scale, we don't have to wipe out one version at the expense of another. Let's not be the GOP.. Worry about turning off the moderates, that should obviously be considered but I think it's a big mistake to keep dismissing the more progressive side. We're not going to motivate OUR base by kowtowing to what conservatives think we should do.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 15, 2019 22:11:26 GMT
This is incredible. I can guarantee the Republicans are having a blast watching Democrats pummel each other. Really, this is what some of you want to make an issue of – that fred wrote voters in the Midwest who don’t pay attention? And continue to criticize her after she’d clarified what she wrote? This reminds me of the time when I wrote about someone here who, when there's a debate going on, will zoom in on the most inconsequential portion of the thread instead of addressing the actual issue. I said it was like there's this huge problem with flashing neon lights around it and someone comes along and complains one of the bulbs seems dim. This is fred – you know, the person who’s on thread number 27 (!) of highlighting everything that’s wrong in this administration and all the injustices Republicans sic on the daily. There’s no one on this board who had gone through the lengths she’s gone to inform and make everyone aware of what’s going on. That is not a simple feat. So, please, enough with criticizing someone who is on your side. We may all disagree on one thing or another, but we are all on the same side. We need to stop this needless denunciation of each other over something that is not even consequential. It was the tone i objected to, not 99% of the content. A fact I tried to make clear, but was never acknowledged. Tone in a written medium is not really an inconsequential thing. It can make or break a discussion - and this is a give and take message board. By the end, I felt completely dismissed by her. Which was slightly upsetting, because I very much enjoy her posts, and admire her passion for sharing what she finds and keeping people informed. I’ve definitely been educated often by some of the stuff she shares. I can’t even think of a time I’ve felt the need to respond openly to her posts, but *occasionally* it comes off a little patronizing. She kept explaining over and over to me what she meant, like I didn’t get it - when I did. I just don’t agree that’s the sole reason he won, and I didn’t care for the initial tone. If that’s unfair criticism, then I will own it, I guess.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 15, 2019 23:18:25 GMT
This is incredible. I can guarantee the Republicans are having a blast watching Democrats pummel each other. Really, this is what some of you want to make an issue of – that fred wrote voters in the Midwest who don’t pay attention? And continue to criticize her after she’d clarified what she wrote? This reminds me of the time when I wrote about someone here who, when there's a debate going on, will zoom in on the most inconsequential portion of the thread instead of addressing the actual issue. I said it was like there's this huge problem with flashing neon lights around it and someone comes along and complains one of the bulbs seems dim. This is fred – you know, the person who’s on thread number 27 (!) of highlighting everything that’s wrong in this administration and all the injustices Republicans sic on the daily. There’s no one on this board who had gone through the lengths she’s gone to inform and make everyone aware of what’s going on. That is not a simple feat. So, please, enough with criticizing someone who is on your side. We may all disagree on one thing or another, but we are all on the same side. We need to stop this needless denunciation of each other over something that is not even consequential. Tired of the patronizing she does. It’s okay if she comments, but quite frankly, more than once, she’s hand slapped others for doing the same as she does. I take umbrage to her comments that AOC was a problem/trouble from the start. That kind of narrative reeks of domestic abuse and other abuses of women—“well if she didn’t dress that way, maybe she wouldn’t have been raped”, “well, if she wouldn’t have stood up and spoke up about it, then this wouldn’t have happened”, or “she’s a bitch” (when a man doing the same would be called assertive or knows what he wants). The Democrats don’t need to in fight. But what trump said and now other GOP and Fox idiots are echoing is a dangerous slope for any women to be on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 23:37:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 0:04:19 GMT
AOC has a big mouth and as far as she is concerned, there is only one way and it’s hers. She is combative. That whole stunt with Nancy Pelosi being a racist was just that a stunt because she didn’t get her way. She is the far far left. In this election where we must dump trump we don’t need her as the face of the Democratic Party. She is a BIG negative distraction as apparently the rest of her squad are and one the Democrats don’t need. You and I understand what the problem is but what about the voters in the mid west who don’t pay much attention to what is happening. What they are going to “hear” is the Democratic Party is the party of American hating commies. Defending the party against this takes takes away from selling what the Democrats can do if elected. Just what the Republicans want. Well, that’s patronizing. For the record, there are a lot of informed people who pay attention in the Midwest. 😒 I dismissed you because I did not agree with your assessment that my comment was “patronizing” . That about it? I’m curious, how did you expect I would respond when right off the bat you tell me being I’m being “patronizing”. Did you think I should say something like “oh yes thank you so much for pointing that out?” Maybe your response should have been something like “you didn’t mean all voters in the Midwest are not informed did you?” before you made an assumption I was being “patronizing”. If you had, my response would have been “no, only those who don’t engage or don’t care, sorry I was not clearer”.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 16, 2019 0:42:49 GMT
Well, that’s patronizing. For the record, there are a lot of informed people who pay attention in the Midwest. 😒 I dismissed you because I did not agree with your assessment that my comment was “patronizing” . That about it? I’m curious, how did you expect I would respond when right off the bat you tell me being I’m being “patronizing”. Did you think I should say something like “oh yes thank you so much for pointing that out?” Maybe your response should have been something like “you didn’t mean all voters in the Midwest are not informed did you?” before you made an assumption I was being “patronizing”. If you had, my response would have been “no, only those who don’t engage or don’t care, sorry I was not clearer”. In hindsight, I could have been more diplomatic, yes. I’ll own that and apologize for that. And no I certainly wouldn’t have expected that, but if a few different people had of interpreted something I said the exact same way, I’d would re-evaluate how I’d said something, I guess.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 16, 2019 1:06:38 GMT
My unrequested 2 cents... I don’t know, I think tone is really important in our interactions with one another. If some people feel one of us is being a bit patronizing, especially as this isn’t the first time, I think it’s a good idea to clear the air. If this was a thread topic I think we’d all encourage the pea to openly communicate with the person they were having the issue with and resolve the issue, not to ignore it. If someone felt my response to them was bitchy*, for example, I’d want to know so I could fix it in the future rather than have it sour any future interaction with them. I love our political discussions and learn so much from participating and often just reading what y’all have to say. @fred is a huge part of that. As stated she provides a ton of information, sources, discussion and food for thought. I don’t think pointing out that her tone can occasionally come across as patronizing takes away from that. And it doesn’t have to derail the conversation or create an ‘us’ versus ‘them’ infighting mentality. When it was first obvious a few people took unintended offense, I think simply acknowledging that and explaining what she meant without being defensive and “read it again (you idiot)” would have gone a long way. Those that felt she was patronizing, rude, whatever would have liked her post and moved on and we’d be back to the topic at hand. And hopefully she’d recognize that she can unintentionally come across that way and consider that in her responses. I’ve written and rewritten these words so many times because I don’t want to offend anyone, so if I do I’m sorry. I just don’t think that sweeping this under the rug does anyone any good. * I use that one as it’s the most likely. Or bitter. That doesn’t help the discussion and sometimes it takes me a while to recognize all of my posts are bitter, sarcastic replies and adding nothing to the discussion ETA tl;dr And no I certainly wouldn’t have expected that, but if a few different people had of interpreted something I said the exact same way, I’d would re-evaluate how I’d said something, I guess. What she said. This wasn’t here when I started my epic post, could have saved me some time!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 16, 2019 1:08:01 GMT
I find it insulting to say that Midwesterners are uninformed. Sure, there are some. But I don’t think any more than in other states.
I also think that the obsession (negative and positive) with AOC is not helpful. Fred seems to have had it out for her for several months and I sensed a different tone in her posts after the midterms. I agree with others, the in fighting and focusing on AOC is not helpful, whether it is republicans or democrats doing it.
Spoken as someone who is not a huge fan of AOC or her ideals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 1:21:06 GMT
Tired of the patronizing she does. It’s okay if she comments, but quite frankly, more than once, she’s hand slapped others for doing the same as she does. I take umbrage to her comments that AOC was a problem/trouble from the start. That kind of narrative reeks of domestic abuse and other abuses of women—“well if she didn’t dress that way, maybe she wouldn’t have been raped”, “well, if she wouldn’t have stood up and spoke up about it, then this wouldn’t have happened”, or “she’s a bitch” (when a man doing the same would be called assertive or knows what he wants). The Democrats don’t need to in fight. But what trump said and now other GOP and Fox idiots are echoing is a dangerous slope for any women to be on. Careful your “Gia” side is coming out. Good old Gia, whenever she smelled blood in the water she showed up to a thread just to attack. I’m sure she would be thrilled if she knew there was someone following in her footsteps. As to AOC, sorry to disappoint, but I would feel the same way if it was a man. People can criticize a person solely on their words and actions and it has nothing to do with their sex, the color of their skin, their sexual orientation or their religious beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 1:32:11 GMT
I find it insulting to say that Midwesterners are uninformed. Sure, there are some. But I don’t think any more than in other states. I also think that the obsession (negative and positive) with AOC is not helpful. Fred seems to have had it out for her for several months and I sensed a different tone in her posts after the midterms. I agree with others, the in fighting and focusing on AOC is not helpful, whether it is republicans or democrats doing it. Spoken as someone who is not a huge fan of AOC or her ideals. Did you read this from my earlier post. “ trump won the election by less than 100,000 votes spread across three states. Two of which are in the mid west.
The current version of the electoral college give an edge to smaller states, most of who are in the mid west. Which makes their vote important. In other words their vote counts more than mine in CA.
It is a sad reality there are voters spread across the entire United States who really don’t pay attention to elections. They just pick up bits and pieces and vote accordingly. Note here I’m not saying all voters.
The Democrats need to win these three states that gave trump the win as well as other states in the mid west. Which means the Democratic Presidential Candidates can’t waste time convincing these folks who are not fully engaged in politics and elections that the Democratic Party is not the party of America hating commies.
The Democrats have a message, the Republicans do not, because of this, the Republicans are trying to control the narrative and their target , once again, are the voters who are not fully engaged in politics and elections. Especially in the Midwest because it was the Midwest that gave them the White House.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 1:48:04 GMT
My unrequested 2 cents... I don’t know, I think tone is really important in our interactions with one another. If some people feel one of us is being a bit patronizing, especially as this isn’t the first time, I think it’s a good idea to clear the air. If this was a thread topic I think we’d all encourage the pea to openly communicate with the person they were having the issue with and resolve the issue, not to ignore it. If someone felt my response to them was bitchy*, for example, I’d want to know so I could fix it in the future rather than have it sour any future interaction with them. I love our political discussions and learn so much from participating and often just reading what y’all have to say. @fred is a huge part of that. As stated she provides a ton of information, sources, discussion and food for thought. I don’t think pointing out that her tone can occasionally come across as patronizing takes away from that. And it doesn’t have to derail the conversation or create an ‘us’ versus ‘them’ infighting mentality. When it was first obvious a few people took unintended offense, I think simply acknowledging that and explaining what she meant without being defensive and “read it again (you idiot)” would have gone a long way. Those that felt she was patronizing, rude, whatever would have liked her post and moved on and we’d be back to the topic at hand. And hopefully she’d recognize that she can unintentionally come across that way and consider that in her responses. I’ve written and rewritten these words so many times because I don’t want to offend anyone, so if I do I’m sorry. I just don’t think that sweeping this under the rug does anyone any good. * I use that one as it’s the most likely. Or bitter. That doesn’t help the discussion and sometimes it takes me a while to recognize all of my posts are bitter, sarcastic replies and adding nothing to the discussion ETA tl;dr And no I certainly wouldn’t have expected that, but if a few different people had of interpreted something I said the exact same way, I’d would re-evaluate how I’d said something, I guess. What she said. This wasn’t here when I started my epic post, could have saved me some time! If something is unclear do you ask questions or do you assume? Look at the original two posts responding to mine that started this. The first one start with “Tha fuck” and the second one was”you are being patronizing “. Neither asked for clarification before becoming pissy because they assumed. And because they assumed wrong it’s all my fault when in fact they could of asked for clarification and chose not to. Maybe if there were more questions asked and less assumptions made there would be less discord in the world.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2019 15:55:34 GMT
I guess they are not worried about it exploding?
Why the masks? Are they hiding their identity? For sure the masks will not keep them safe!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2019 15:56:26 GMT
There are several different ones! He also talks about the importance of adhering to the Constitution! I guess he has forgotten about that!
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 16, 2019 16:48:53 GMT
I don’t think I have enough fingers and toes to count how many times I’ve been told to go back where I came from (and in my case, that would be Chicago!); maybe not now anymore in my personal experience but it sure occurred a great deal when I was growing up. It’s one of the easiest, laziest, lamebrained ways to make someone subordinate and unworthy, and that’s why it persists…it’s so damn easy. It’s as easy as calling someone a monkey or an ape. One would think after all these decades, no one in a position of influence or power would succumb to this, but apparently, slurs and taunts like this never go out of style regardless of what era we speak of, regardless of how supposedly respectable people should be above it. The solution has always remained the same: combat it, shame it, speak up against it, and don’t allow anyone to excuse or justify it. Because even when our leaders fail, we shouldn’t fail ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 17:51:09 GMT
As an aside: AOC is setting off many, many people. I have an old friend on social media who I recently added. She's always been spirited, before her time regarding girls and women's rights, and an even- tempered person. But, she's been posting about how AOC is what the Dems are all about, and again there's no choice but to vote for Trump in 2020.
This one baffles me and I'm trying to ask questions so I could understand her reasoning. She doesn't watch or listen to any political talk on cable or the radio, so, no Fox News, etc.... She's far from wealthy. She's a divorced, hard working 55 year old. I urged her to do her due diligence way before she makes her next choice for President.
How she could be okay with this sexist con an idiot who only knows about his own branding and how best to rip off and sue everyone around him just to save money. I'm at a loss,but I'm very interested in knowing why she believes in this creep.
Ooh and she has hatred and distrust for Hillary and Obama, which also puzzle me. Hope i get answers from her about that but I'm still awaiting DH's brief to me so I could understand where he was coming from in 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 18:00:15 GMT
I guess they are not worried about it exploding?
Why the masks? Are they hiding their identity? For sure the masks will not keep them safe!
I would imagine it's to protect their identity, they're anti terrorist police. They probably, at times, do undercover work
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Post by pjaye on Jul 16, 2019 18:13:02 GMT
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Post by pjaye on Jul 16, 2019 18:19:13 GMT
Now we have Trump pretending to be offended by the word 'fuck'
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 16, 2019 18:27:11 GMT
Now we have Trump pretending to be offended by the word 'fuck' Good lord, says the man who said, “Grab em by the pussy.” Now his delicate sensibilities are offended by the word “fuck”?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 18:32:32 GMT
Horrible!!! My 2nd thought is about Steve Bannon.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 16, 2019 18:38:01 GMT
Trump himself said he “did try and fuck a married woman.” Those were his exact words, not someone else's interpretation, in addition to saying it was okay to call his daughter "a piece of ass." Acting like some Puritan now is about as effective as closing the barn door when the horse has fled.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 16, 2019 18:56:07 GMT
Of all the pictures at the above link posted by pjaye This is best because it shows both and what he did and the other didn't!
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Post by inkedup on Jul 16, 2019 19:28:24 GMT
Now we have Trump pretending to be offended by the word 'fuck' Good lord, says the man who said, “Grab em by the pussy.” Now his delicate sensibilities are offended by the word “fuck”? "I did try to fuck her" "I moved on her like a little bitch"
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Post by hop2 on Jul 16, 2019 20:28:04 GMT
Who did Obama kill? WTF is this guy talking about
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