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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 20, 2019 21:53:24 GMT
I'm curious about people's thoughts regarding the influence of other countries in the next election. In what ways do you think they have been/will interfere?
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Post by hop2 on Jun 20, 2019 21:57:40 GMT
I vote for who I feel has the best stance on major issues and policies. Sometimes that's a Democrat, sometimes that's a third party or independent candidate. Last election I was told that if I didn't vote for Clinton, I was by default voting for Trump. Or that I was throwing my vote away by voting for a candidate who doesn't have a chance of winning. Fuck that shit. Telling me that my vote is invalid because I'm not casting it for your candidate is not the way to win me over. Telling me that my political beliefs are invalid because the candidate I support isn't a potential winner is not the way to win me over. Telling me that I'm supporting the "enemy" by not voting for your candidate is not the way to win me over. I have the right to cast a vote, and to cast it for who I see fit without being mindfucked over it. Want me to vote for your candidate? Prove to me that they have earned my vote. I am one of those independent voters and I reserve my right to vote third party again if I do not like either candidate from the 2 major parties. The only way to break out of this 2 party system is for more third party votes. We need to get the percentage of votes up for a third party candidate enough they can get on TV as part of the national debates etc. Until we have election finance reform and As long as we have the electoral college, 3rd party candidates can not win NATIONAL elections- the system is set up against it. And I did back in the day vote for Ross Perot with all the enthusiasm I had. But after looking at how our system works for real, it is not possible. So as much as no one wants to hear it, 3rd party votes won’t do anything, no one is ‘hearing’ that protest. It is your right to vote however you want, but I’ve come to realize at my age, with my rose colored glasses ripped off my face and well broken, that elections are more an act of strategical blocking than anything else. I would LOVE to vote *for* a candidate. And yes I have voted 3rd party in the past knowing my vote wouldn’t count. But after really looking at how the system works I’d be fooling myself if I thought my 3rd party vote would accomplish a single thing. Because it won’t, the candidate won’t win, no one literally no one is ‘listening’ to that ‘protest vote’ so I can vote that way all I want but it will be as useless as flushing money down my toilet. I’m not wasting my vote I’m strategically blocking Something that I do not want.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 20, 2019 22:02:38 GMT
I'm curious about people's thoughts regarding the influence of other countries in the next election. In what ways do you think they have been/will interfere? I think it will happen, not just Russia either. I would not be surprised for Israel and or Iran to take a stab at it. I don’t think they can equal the machine Putin has put together, but Chiba & N Korea might be able to.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 21, 2019 18:53:18 GMT
Still happily on my politics sabbatical, but saw this headline and popped in to vote in the poll and comment.
I do not plan to vote for President. It didn't count last time and it won't count this time.
Yes I do think he'll be re-elected.
And if he's not re-elected, I think he'll take drastic measures to either stay in power or start a war.
Either way, we're doomed.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 21, 2019 19:04:46 GMT
Still happily on my politics sabbatical, but saw this headline and popped in to vote in the poll and comment. I do not plan to vote for President. It didn't count last time and it won't count this time. Yes I do think he'll be re-elected. And if he's not re-elected, I think he'll take drastic measures to either stay in power or start a war. Either way, we're doomed. I don't understand why you wouldn't vote. Even if you live in a predominantly red state, what if there were enough people like you who do not want to vote for Trump that it would make a difference? And even if your vote didn't make a difference in the electoral votes, it would show in the popular vote. That might not mean much in terms of the outcome of the election, but I think it does mean something overall.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 21, 2019 19:19:22 GMT
Still happily on my politics sabbatical, but saw this headline and popped in to vote in the poll and comment. I do not plan to vote for President. It didn't count last time and it won't count this time. Yes I do think he'll be re-elected. And if he's not re-elected, I think he'll take drastic measures to either stay in power or start a war. Either way, we're doomed. I don't understand why you wouldn't vote. Even if you live in a predominantly red state, what if there were enough people like you who do not want to vote for Trump that it would make a difference? And even if your vote didn't make a difference in the electoral votes, it would show in the popular vote. That might not mean much in terms of the outcome of the election, but I think it does mean something overall. YESSS!! That’s what I’ve been saying all along. What if Trump had lost the popular vote by 5 million? 8 million? 10 million? It wouldn’t change the outcome of the election, but it would go a long way toward illegitimizing his win in people’s minds, anyway. Maybe it would make GOP lawmakers think twice about siding with him so blindly. Maybe it would add another dark mark by his name in the history books. Anything that weakens him (before he does even more damage to this country) works for me.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 21, 2019 20:08:24 GMT
Still happily on my politics sabbatical, but saw this headline and popped in to vote in the poll and comment. I do not plan to vote for President. It didn't count last time and it won't count this time. Yes I do think he'll be re-elected. And if he's not re-elected, I think he'll take drastic measures to either stay in power or start a war. Either way, we're doomed. Dude you need to vote. You need to exercise that right that so many women before you fought their asses off to give to you (and the rest of us). All votes matter, even if they don’t result in the desired result.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jun 21, 2019 20:55:45 GMT
Still happily on my politics sabbatical, but saw this headline and popped in to vote in the poll and comment. I do not plan to vote for President. It didn't count last time and it won't count this time. Yes I do think he'll be re-elected. And if he's not re-elected, I think he'll take drastic measures to either stay in power or start a war. Either way, we're doomed. If you don't vote, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Please vote. People have fought so you have the right to vote. Please don't dishonor their sacrifice. Your vote does matter.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 21, 2019 21:46:07 GMT
I don't understand why you wouldn't vote. Even if you live in a predominantly red state, what if there were enough people like you who do not want to vote for Trump that it would make a difference? And even if your vote didn't make a difference in the electoral votes, it would show in the popular vote. That might not mean much in terms of the outcome of the election, but I think it does mean something overall. Think how dt keeps talking about the 3 million people who were illegally voting... that is the difference... 3 million people!! BTW: They were legally voting.. His crack team with Kolbach etc were unable to find fraud!
Can you imagine if 8 million had voted against im even if he had the Electoral votes.... his head might have exploded....
For the independents, how will you vote if Bernie Sanders is the candidate? Other then running for president he is an INDEPENDENT. As our system is, he knows he cannot win as a 3rd party candidate...
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Post by lauradrumm on Jun 22, 2019 10:37:47 GMT
Exactly. I don’t think your (general) beliefs or vote are invalid if you vote third party and I believe it certainly is your right. But I know for a fact it is a wasted vote at this time in our political history, wasted as in there is no chance of the independent candidate winning the election. And I completely agree with Lucy, third party voting in the last election is a very large part of why Trump is in office now. The truth is not a mindfuck. Or, it’s not intended to be. If the truth felt like a mindfuck to me I know I’d be examining why that is. In my state, the 2016 breakdown was 65% Trump, 30% Clinton, 5% third party. And all of our local polls had forecasted it to be that way for months. Even if all of the third party voters had voted for Clinton, she'd have lost by 30 points. I knew, as an educated voter, that whether I voted for Clinton or Johnson, my vote wouldn't be going to the winner for my state. Since my state is also a "winner takes all" for the electoral college, I also knew that being part of the 5% voting Johnson wouldn't impact Hillary's chances of getting any electoral votes here. Were I living in a state where the results would have been closer, or where electoral votes are split (like Nebraska or Maine), I'd likely have voted for Clinton, but I don't, so I voted for the candidate that I felt would be most unifying (which was a high value quality for me at the time). I'm smart enough to know the value of my vote for the state I'm in, and I vote accordingly. Honestly, I find it insulting and extremely short-sighted when Democrats who have never even been to my state, much less lived here and followed our state political climate, insinuate that I'm automatically wasting my vote or that third party voters here gave Trump our state. If by 2020, I'm in a position where my vote will actively give a Democrat a chance against Trump, I'll vote for them, and I may vote for them regardless, if they are my choice for other reasons, but I won't blindly vote blue just to soothe the psychological feels of a party that blames their failures on everyone else but them. And this is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Electoral College!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 11:41:37 GMT
Exactly. I don’t think your (general) beliefs or vote are invalid if you vote third party and I believe it certainly is your right. But I know for a fact it is a wasted vote at this time in our political history, wasted as in there is no chance of the independent candidate winning the election. And I completely agree with Lucy, third party voting in the last election is a very large part of why Trump is in office now. The truth is not a mindfuck. Or, it’s not intended to be. If the truth felt like a mindfuck to me I know I’d be examining why that is. In my state, the 2016 breakdown was 65% Trump, 30% Clinton, 5% third party. And all of our local polls had forecasted it to be that way for months. Even if all of the third party voters had voted for Clinton, she'd have lost by 30 points. I knew, as an educated voter, that whether I voted for Clinton or Johnson, my vote wouldn't be going to the winner for my state. Since my state is also a "winner takes all" for the electoral college, I also knew that being part of the 5% voting Johnson wouldn't impact Hillary's chances of getting any electoral votes here. Were I living in a state where the results would have been closer, or where electoral votes are split (like Nebraska or Maine), I'd likely have voted for Clinton, but I don't, so I voted for the candidate that I felt would be most unifying (which was a high value quality for me at the time). I'm smart enough to know the value of my vote for the state I'm in, and I vote accordingly. Honestly, I find it insulting and extremely short-sighted when Democrats who have never even been to my state, much less lived here and followed our state political climate, insinuate that I'm automatically wasting my vote or that third party voters here gave Trump our state. If by 2020, I'm in a position where my vote will actively give a Democrat a chance against Trump, I'll vote for them, and I may vote for them regardless, if they are my choice for other reasons, but I won't blindly vote blue just to soothe the psychological feels of a party that blames their failures on everyone else but them.What failures would that be?
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 22, 2019 14:49:27 GMT
Nothing surprises me anymore.
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