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Post by *sprout* on Jul 21, 2019 20:06:07 GMT
Being from apparently the same-ish area as kibblesandbits I was surprised to this made national news and peas. Heck, I didn't think it was a very big news story here!
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 21, 2019 20:08:10 GMT
Being from apparently the same-ish area as kibblesandbits I was surprised to this made national news and peas. Heck, I didn't think it was a very big news story here! Right? See?
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 21, 2019 20:09:53 GMT
Waiting for someone to give us an alternate non-racist interpretation of "Go back to the ghetto." I tried... and failed miserably. Mental gymnastics are not my thing, I guess. 😏
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Post by trollie on Jul 21, 2019 20:10:42 GMT
Sigh... Sometimes it's just not appropriate to play Devil's Advocate. This is one of those times. Clearly, me have not come as far as we think we have and racism needs to be called out when we see it.
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2019 20:13:09 GMT
Being from apparently the same-ish area as kibblesandbits I was surprised to this made national news and peas. Heck, I didn't think it was a very big news story here! “News” is different than it used to be. People now have individual platforms to amplify issues they care about. And they are probably connected to other people who care about the same issues, so they share further. And so on. Often, something that gets enough traction online is picked up by traditional news outlets. It no longer matters if local or national tv or print judge a story worth covering from the beginning - they are often the followers, now. There are pros and cons to these changes but a definite pro is that it makes it much easier to shine a light on the fact that we still have a long way to go in terms of racism, sexism and other abhorrent behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 20:14:47 GMT
Because this was a small local story, and wasn't distributed nationally at all, as far as I am aware. I wondered how the OP, who I assume doesn't live in my backyard got ahold of the story. Simple question. Racism anywhere is a threat to people everywhere Again, thanks for stating the mind-bogglingly obvious. I guess I should only worry about racism when someone calls out my white self on living, driving, breathing, existing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 20:16:51 GMT
Being from apparently the same-ish area as kibblesandbits I was surprised to this made national news and peas. Heck, I didn't think it was a very big news story here! Stories don't have to make national news to spread. I follow news stations from Hawaii even though I live in Oklahoma. Then stories of interest get picked up and passed along local stations without ever hitting national level. The internet means local isn't always a geographically limited area any more.
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Post by *sprout* on Jul 21, 2019 20:28:50 GMT
Waiting for someone to give us an alternate non-racist interpretation of "Go back to the ghetto." I tried... and failed miserably. Mental gymnastics are not my thing, I guess. 😏 I'll take a stab at it. The little West Michigan town I grew up in was always referred to as the ghetto of the bigger, wealthier, snobbier nextdoor neighbor town. If "go back to the ghetto" was used in the snobbier town it meant to go back to the other town. Not racially motivated since both had (and still have) the same monochromatic population.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 21, 2019 20:33:45 GMT
This is how the internets work, old people. It connects the world. You can get a news story from anywhere. Nothing is local anymore. Such a bizarre question to ask. You clearly don’t understand social media. You have no idea what I do or do not understand. Until last year, I was the tech coordinator for an entire urban school district. Currently, I consult and train for educators and media influencers. So, the question is, how does a tiny story out of tiny Michigan get all the way across the country into someone's mailbox? Has the OP set her Google settings to pull certain stories? Is there a large group of users (FB?) sharing and trading stories? Did this hit Twitter and a SM search/retrieve that the OP set up? All interesting questions. So, yes, myshelly - I certainly do understand the internets. Even though I'm older than you. And that could be classified as a bigoted and ageist comment on your part. Hmmm? Being a "tech coordinator" you should then know how this little teensy tiny, insignificant story came across a person's news feed.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 21, 2019 20:34:48 GMT
ghet·to /ˈɡedō/ noun noun: ghetto; plural noun: ghettoes; plural noun: ghettos 1. a part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups. Now, I guess if you live in a predominantly white, wealthy, trump land area, then maybe this is the definition that you would be more comfortable with... ghetto ghet·to /ˈɡedō/
word which rich white girls use to describe almost everything thats not clad with lilly polos and pearls.
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2019 20:41:32 GMT
I tried... and failed miserably. Mental gymnastics are not my thing, I guess. 😏 I'll take a stab at it. The little West Michigan town I grew up in was always referred to as the ghetto of the bigger, wealthier, snobbier nextdoor neighbor town. If "go back to the ghetto" was used in the snobbier town it meant to go back to the other town. Not racially motivated since both had (and still have) the same monochromatic population. And... how would someone who “belonged” in the ghetto, particularly a child, be identified from across the street?
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 21, 2019 20:52:36 GMT
Sigh... Sometimes it's just not appropriate to play Devil's Advocate. This is one of those times. Clearly, me have not come as far as we think we have and racism needs to be called out when we see it. eh, this place is becoming an echo chamber lately.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 21, 2019 20:53:10 GMT
This is how the internets work, old people. It connects the world. You can get a news story from anywhere. Nothing is local anymore. Such a bizarre question to ask. You clearly don’t understand social media. You have no idea what I do or do not understand. Until last year, I was the tech coordinator for an entire urban school district. Currently, I consult and train for educators and media influencers. So, the question is, how does a tiny story out of tiny Michigan get all the way across the country into someone's mailbox? Has the OP set her Google settings to pull certain stories? Is there a large group of users (FB?) sharing and trading stories? Did this hit Twitter and a SM search/retrieve that the OP set up? All interesting questions. So, yes, myshelly - I certainly do understand the internets. Even though I'm older than you. And that could be classified as a bigoted and ageist comment on your part. Hmmm? You clearly don’t understand if you asked that question.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 21, 2019 20:56:39 GMT
I'll take a stab at it. The little West Michigan town I grew up in was always referred to as the ghetto of the bigger, wealthier, snobbier nextdoor neighbor town. If "go back to the ghetto" was used in the snobbier town it meant to go back to the other town. Not racially motivated since both had (and still have) the same monochromatic population. And... how would someone who “belonged” in the ghetto, particularly a child, be identified from across the street? Because in the area in question the predominant heritage is Dutch. There's a look, especially here. Blond, taller, thin nose, etc. *sprout* great description, and what I was trying to get to earlier. "Ghetto" has many connotations, depending on the area.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 21, 2019 20:58:24 GMT
Sigh... Sometimes it's just not appropriate to play Devil's Advocate. This is one of those times. Clearly, me have not come as far as we think we have and racism needs to be called out when we see it. eh, this place is becoming an echo chamber lately. I'm good with echoing the idea that "go back to the ghetto" is racist af.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 21, 2019 21:01:42 GMT
And... how would someone who “belonged” in the ghetto, particularly a child, be identified from across the street? Because in the area in question the predominant heritage is Dutch. There's a look, especially here. Blond, taller, thin nose, etc. *sprout* great description, and what I was trying to get to earlier. "Ghetto" has many connotations, depending on the area. So we’re defending blonde, tall, thin nosed people who think anyone who doesn’t look like them belong in ghettos? You....don’t see any reasons why that’s wrong and bad and inappropriate? Like, you typed that out as a defense and didn’t think oh damn that sounds even *worse* than it did before?
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2019 21:13:07 GMT
And... how would someone who “belonged” in the ghetto, particularly a child, be identified from across the street? Because in the area in question the predominant heritage is Dutch. There's a look, especially here. Blond, taller, thin nose, etc. *sprout* great description, and what I was trying to get to earlier. "Ghetto" has many connotations, depending on the area. I don’t think you’re making the point you think you’re making.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jul 21, 2019 21:20:17 GMT
And... how would someone who “belonged” in the ghetto, particularly a child, be identified from across the street? Because in the area in question the predominant heritage is Dutch. There's a look, especially here. Blond, taller, thin nose, etc. *sprout* great description, and what I was trying to get to earlier. "Ghetto" has many connotations, depending on the area. Oh God. That’s a yikes from me. You could identify the people who belong in the ghetto because they are not tall and blond, and maybe they got a big nose? You might want to read a Wikipedia article about the Jewish ghettos and think about why this is a jaw droppingly terrible line of thinking.
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Post by *sprout* on Jul 21, 2019 21:25:14 GMT
You have no idea what I do or do not understand. Until last year, I was the tech coordinator for an entire urban school district. Currently, I consult and train for educators and media influencers. So, the question is, how does a tiny story out of tiny Michigan get all the way across the country into someone's mailbox? Has the OP set her Google settings to pull certain stories? Is there a large group of users (FB?) sharing and trading stories? Did this hit Twitter and a SM search/retrieve that the OP set up? All interesting questions. So, yes, myshelly - I certainly do understand the internets. Even though I'm older than you. And that could be classified as a bigoted and ageist comment on your part. Hmmm? Being a "tech coordinator" you should then know how this little teensy tiny, insignificant story came across a person's news feed. I don't think it's a lack of knowledge HOW it got picked up. I don't want to speak for Kibble, but I personally am surprised. I looked back through 4 local news feeds (albeit quickly) and only 1 covered it. It was more of a "wow! Look at that! How did that happen?" moment and not a literal "how did that happen?"
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2019 21:28:41 GMT
I’m tall and blonde but I’m not Dutch. I hope I can pass so I’m allowed into the good part of town. But if someone looks too closely at my wider nose, they’ll probably scream at me to get back to the ghetto.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 21, 2019 21:29:36 GMT
I tried... and failed miserably. Mental gymnastics are not my thing, I guess. 😏 I'll take a stab at it. The little West Michigan town I grew up in was always referred to as the ghetto of the bigger, wealthier, snobbier nextdoor neighbor town. If "go back to the ghetto" was used in the snobbier town it meant to go back to the other town. Not racially motivated since both had (and still have) the same monochromatic population. And what would you call it when the recipients of this lovely sentiment are, indeed, black? Still not racially motivated, because the speakers (people I’m sure I’d love to be friends with. NOT) are already loose with racist terminology like “get back to the ghetto”?
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Post by *sprout* on Jul 21, 2019 21:30:15 GMT
I'll take a stab at it. The little West Michigan town I grew up in was always referred to as the ghetto of the bigger, wealthier, snobbier nextdoor neighbor town. If "go back to the ghetto" was used in the snobbier town it meant to go back to the other town. Not racially motivated since both had (and still have) the same monochromatic population. And... how would someone who “belonged” in the ghetto, particularly a child, be identified from across the street? No idea as to across the street, but within these two towns, which are both in the same school district, it would pretty much come down to which elementary school said person attended.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 21, 2019 21:32:28 GMT
And... how would someone who “belonged” in the ghetto, particularly a child, be identified from across the street? No idea as to across the street, but within these two towns, which are both in the same school district, it would pretty much come down to which elementary school said person attended. Sorry, we’ve been informed you gotta go to the ghetto if you aren’t white, blonde, tall, and thin nosed.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 21, 2019 21:33:25 GMT
Because in the area in question the predominant heritage is Dutch. There's a look, especially here. Blond, taller, thin nose, etc. *sprout* great description, and what I was trying to get to earlier. "Ghetto" has many connotations, depending on the area. So we’re defending blonde, tall, thin nosed people who think people who don’t look like them belong in ghettos? You....don’t see any reasons why that’s wrong and bad and inappropriate? Like, you typed that out as a defense and didn’t think oh damn that sounds even *worse* than it did before? For the love of pete, I am NOT DEFENDING HER.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 21, 2019 21:34:02 GMT
So we’re defending blonde, tall, thin nosed people who think people who don’t look like them belong in ghettos? You....don’t see any reasons why that’s wrong and bad and inappropriate? Like, you typed that out as a defense and didn’t think oh damn that sounds even *worse* than it did before? For the love of pete, I am NOT DEFENDING HER. Then what exactly do you think you’re doing. I’d love to know.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 21, 2019 21:34:46 GMT
I’m tall and blonde but I’m not Dutch. I hope I can pass so I’m allowed into the good part of town. But if someone looks too closely at my wider nose, they’ll probably scream at me to get back to the ghetto. 🧐 you'd pass in that area well. I, on the other hand, with my stocky german build, do not.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 21, 2019 21:34:57 GMT
So we’re defending blonde, tall, thin nosed people who think people who don’t look like them belong in ghettos? You....don’t see any reasons why that’s wrong and bad and inappropriate? Like, you typed that out as a defense and didn’t think oh damn that sounds even *worse* than it did before? For the love of pete, I am NOT DEFENDING HER. You’re arguing that thinking anyone who is not white, tall, blonde, and thin nosed belongs in the ghetto isn’t about race.
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Post by *sprout* on Jul 21, 2019 21:38:26 GMT
I'll take a stab at it. The little West Michigan town I grew up in was always referred to as the ghetto of the bigger, wealthier, snobbier nextdoor neighbor town. If "go back to the ghetto" was used in the snobbier town it meant to go back to the other town. Not racially motivated since both had (and still have) the same monochromatic population. And what would you call it when the recipients of this lovely sentiment are, indeed, black? Still not racially motivated, because the speakers (people I’m sure I’d love to be friends with. NOT) are already loose with racist terminology like “get back to the ghetto”? If used towards a black person, then it would have racial overtones. But this area is very white (just to show how white, in my graduating class of 400+, I probably had around 20 non-white classmates). Doesn't make it right and I certainly don't excuse it, but I would say for most of us growing up there we didn't know it had another meaning. We thought it was about socioeconomic status. Now we would know differently. When we know better, we do better.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 21, 2019 21:38:27 GMT
For the love of pete, I am NOT DEFENDING HER. Then what exactly do you think you’re doing. I’d love to know. Trying to explain that, in this specific situation, in the area in question, the word "ghetto" doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means. The connotation is different. Still shitty, but different.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 21, 2019 21:39:54 GMT
And what would you call it when the recipients of this lovely sentiment are, indeed, black? Still not racially motivated, because the speakers (people I’m sure I’d love to be friends with. NOT) are already loose with racist terminology like “get back to the ghetto”? If used towards a black person, then it would have racial overtones. But this area is very white (just to show how white, in my graduating class of 400+, I probably had around 20 non-white classmates). Doesn't make it right and I certainly don't excuse it, but I would say for most of us growing up there we didn't know it had another meaning. We thought it was about socioeconomic status. Now we would know differently. When we know better, we do better. You know what, maybe everyone should just listen to *sprout*. She's clarifying this in a way that I haven't been able to.
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