casii
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Post by casii on Jul 23, 2019 17:53:47 GMT
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Post by katlady on Jul 23, 2019 18:07:35 GMT
That is sickening. So, you can no longer prove citizenship with a birth certificate?! WTF! This what I, who looks like “foreigner”, fear. What is to keep ICE from picking up me or my family members and detaining us, just because we don’t look “American”.
And yes, I’ve been told to “go home” before. It makes me scared and angry.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 23, 2019 18:08:09 GMT
I saw this story a couple days ago and am glad it is starting to get more and more coverage. CBP and ICE just don't want to believe he is American or acknowledge they made a mistake. There are Americans who live in Tijuana and cross the border every day to go to work and school in the San Diego area. A couple kids were taken into custody because CBP didn't believe they were who they said they were. A 9 year old girl was held for 36 hours.  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 23, 2019 18:28:24 GMT
Just another day of the trump administration targeting the “brown people”. Bunch of xenophobic racist assholes.
These ICE persons (whomever is denying his legal birth certificate) are like crappy police who need to pin a crime on some, innocent or not.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 23, 2019 18:32:00 GMT
That is fucking bullshit. I hope he sues and wins and everybody involved loses their job. WTeverlovingF is wrong with people?  What does it take to prove you are a citizen? They wouldn't have been questioned if they were white |
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 23, 2019 19:26:44 GMT
This is most likely due to Trump’s expedited removal policy. From what I read, it gives immigration enforcement agents the authority to stop anybody, anywhere in the US, for any reason, and demand proof of citizenship or proof of residency for at least two years. This happened to a Hispanic Marine veteran from Michigan and a Jamaican-American. So I guess it’s no longer sufficient to just have your US passport and ID when travelling, but your birth certificate as well if you’re non-white. AND a lawyer’s telephone number should your birth certificate be deemed insufficient.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 19:56:18 GMT
The birth certificate has a different name than his mother because she gave a fake name when he was born. There is much more to the story that your article left out.
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Post by busy on Jul 23, 2019 19:58:33 GMT
The birth certificate has a different name than his mother because she gave a fake name when he was born. There is much more to the story that your article left out. But he’s still a US citizen. Being detained for the color of his skin. And it’s absolute bullshit that a minor - his brother - could sign a voluntary deportation order. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 20:02:59 GMT
The birth certificate has a different name than his mother because she gave a fake name when he was born. There is much more to the story that your article left out. But he’s still a US citizen. Being detained for the color of his skin. No, that's not why. |
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Post by casii on Jul 23, 2019 20:05:58 GMT
The birth certificate has a different name than his mother because she gave a fake name when he was born. There is much more to the story that your article left out. My birth certificate has my name spelled incorrectly. Still not cause to wrongly detain a U.S. Citizen. Nothing justifies the wrongdoing of ICE here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 20:12:49 GMT
The birth certificate has a different name than his mother because she gave a fake name when he was born. There is much more to the story that your article left out. My birth certificate has my name spelled incorrectly. Still not cause to wrongly detain a U.S. Citizen. Nothing justifies the wrongdoing of ICE here. I hope you can see with more information from the Washington Post that there were many red flags that caused ICE to detain him until they could investigate these red flags. |
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Post by amom23 on Jul 23, 2019 20:15:19 GMT
My birth certificate has my name spelled incorrectly. Still not cause to wrongly detain a U.S. Citizen. Nothing justifies the wrongdoing of ICE here. I hope you can see with more information from the Washington Post that there were many red flags that caused ICE to detain him until they could investigate these red flags. So you are ok with him being locked up while this so called investigation continues? Exactly how long is ok to detain a US citizen? |
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Post by casii on Jul 23, 2019 20:17:28 GMT
My birth certificate has my name spelled incorrectly. Still not cause to wrongly detain a U.S. Citizen. Nothing justifies the wrongdoing of ICE here. I hope you can see with more information from the Washington Post that there were many red flags that caused ICE to detain him until they could investigate these red flags. I hope you can understand they would not likely detain me because I pass for white. "Show me your papers." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
I hope you can see with more information from the Washington Post that there were many red flags that caused ICE to detain him until they could investigate these red flags. I hope you can understand they would not likely detain me because I pass for white. "Show me your papers." I'd be willing to bet if you were listed as being born in another country and had a falsified birth certificate, you'd be detained. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 23, 2019 20:51:09 GMT
There’s a birth certificate application that’s filled out at the hospital and it’s then registered at the county’s office. Even if the mother had falsified her name, the boy was born in the US, correct? If it’s a certified copy from the county, it proves he was born here. How else could anyone prove they were born in the US? For example, I don't have medical records proving I was born in a hospital in Chicago (do most people have them?). All I have is a certified copy of my birth certificate and a US passport.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 20:58:30 GMT
There’s a birth certificate application that’s filled out at the hospital and it’s then registered at the county’s office. Even if the mother had falsified her name, the boy was born in the US, correct? If it’s a certified copy from the county, it proves he was born here. How else could anyone prove they were born in the US? For example, I don't have medical records proving I was born in a hospital in Chicago (do most people have them?). All I have is a certified copy of my birth certificate and a US passport. We usually carry passports when traveling to other countries and back again. She herself said she was unable to get him a passport because she falsified his birth certificate. And she also listed him as born in Mexico. A lot to wade through verifying which claims and which documents are real and the truth. Especially for a government agency, aren't they notorious for moving slowly? The bottom line is he wasn't detained for being brown as some have said, it was because of false documents. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 23, 2019 21:10:23 GMT
There’s a birth certificate application that’s filled out at the hospital and it’s then registered at the county’s office. Even if the mother had falsified her name, the boy was born in the US, correct? If it’s a certified copy from the county, it proves he was born here. How else could anyone prove they were born in the US? For example, I don't have medical records proving I was born in a hospital in Chicago (do most people have them?). All I have is a certified copy of my birth certificate and a US passport. We usually carry passports when traveling to other countries and back again. She herself said she was unable to get him a passport because she falsified his birth certificate. And she also listed him as born in Mexico. A lot to wade through verifying which claims and which documents are real and the truth. Especially for a government agency, aren't they notorious for moving slowly? The bottom line is he wasn't detained for being brown as some have said, it was because of false documents. Do white people travelling across Texas have to show their birth certificates, passports, etc? If so, how closely do the authorities look into what the birth certificate says? |
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Post by annaintx on Jul 23, 2019 21:12:51 GMT
There’s a birth certificate application that’s filled out at the hospital and it’s then registered at the county’s office. Even if the mother had falsified her name, the boy was born in the US, correct? If it’s a certified copy from the county, it proves he was born here. How else could anyone prove they were born in the US? For example, I don't have medical records proving I was born in a hospital in Chicago (do most people have them?). All I have is a certified copy of my birth certificate and a US passport. We usually carry passports when traveling to other countries and back again. She herself said she was unable to get him a passport because she falsified his birth certificate. And she also listed him as born in Mexico. A lot to wade through verifying which claims and which documents are real and the truth. Especially for a government agency, aren't they notorious for moving slowly? The bottom line is he wasn't detained for being brown as some have said, it was because of false documents. They stopped him because he looks like the people our gov't are now targeting. You bet your ass if he were white they wouldn't have said one damn thing about papers. So do we all need to start carrying papers? I don't even know if I have a copy of my birth certificate. I have a passport, a social security card, and that's it. WTAF kind of country are we living in now. Sickening. Absolutely sickening. |
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Post by annaintx on Jul 23, 2019 21:14:44 GMT
We usually carry passports when traveling to other countries and back again. She herself said she was unable to get him a passport because she falsified his birth certificate. And she also listed him as born in Mexico. A lot to wade through verifying which claims and which documents are real and the truth. Especially for a government agency, aren't they notorious for moving slowly? The bottom line is he wasn't detained for being brown as some have said, it was because of false documents. Do white people travelling across Texas have to show their birth certificates, passports, etc? If so, how closely do the authorities look into what the birth certificate says? When I crossed about 12+ years ago on foot at Progreso, Mexico/Mercedes, TX, I don't think they looked at anything but my Texas driver's license. ETA: there is no freaking way I'd cross the border now with all the crap going on. |
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Post by PLurker on Jul 23, 2019 21:35:30 GMT
There’s a birth certificate application that’s filled out at the hospital and it’s then registered at the county’s office. Even if the mother had falsified her name, the boy was born in the US, correct? If it’s a certified copy from the county, it proves he was born here. How else could anyone prove they were born in the US? For example, I don't have medical records proving I was born in a hospital in Chicago (do most people have them?). All I have is a certified copy of my birth certificate and a US passport. We usually carry passports when traveling to other countries and back again. She herself said she was unable to get him a passport because she falsified his birth certificate. And she also listed him as born in Mexico. A lot to wade through verifying which claims and which documents are real and the truth. Especially for a government agency, aren't they notorious for moving slowly? The bottom line is he wasn't detained for being brown as some have said, it was because of false documents. If brown people aren't being targeted where are all those white European looking immigrants, here just as illegally as the brown people, that are being treated in the same manner? I'll guess there may be anecdotal cases but not nearly at the same rate, in numbers or percentages, as the brown people who you claim aren't being targeted. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2019 21:38:36 GMT
We’ve been stopped at immigration checkpoints traveling in the Big Bend region ofTexas. They glance at our pasty white faces, barely look at our drivers’ licenses, and send us on our way.
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Post by busy on Jul 23, 2019 21:48:59 GMT
We’ve been stopped at immigration checkpoints traveling in the Big Bend region ofTexas. They glance at our pasty white faces, barely look at our drivers’ licenses, and send us on our way. When we were coming back into the US from Canada last summer, I realized I'd put our passports in the back of the car, so when it was our turn, I told the guy I'd hop out and get them. He said not to bother, asked how long we'd been in Canada, where we lived and waved us through. How often do you think that happens to people at the southern border who aren't white? Let's not pretend this is really about immigration writ large. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 23, 2019 22:35:38 GMT
It's bad enough when you're being subjected to heightened scrutiny. What makes it worse is if you cannot prove your citizenship to the satisfaction of CBP. This young man couldn't even contact a lawyer right away. And really? A month in custody? Are authorities unable to contact the county and verify for themselves if they don't believe the lawyer?
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Post by georgiapea on Jul 23, 2019 23:10:26 GMT
As a small child in San Francisco during WWII, my mother had copies of our birth certificates with her always. This was when Japanese Americans were being placed in internment camps. My mother and I both look very German and she was afraid German people would suffer the same fate. Being identified and detained by race is nothing new.
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2019 23:11:24 GMT
As a small child in San Francisco during WWII, my mother had copies of our birth certificates with her always. This was when Japanese Americans were being placed in internment camps. My mother and I both look very German and she was afraid German people would suffer the same fate. Being identified and detained by race is nothing new. I’m sure you’re not suggesting that it was right then or now. |
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Post by busy on Jul 23, 2019 23:16:46 GMT
Being identified and detained by race is nothing new. And... ?? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 24, 2019 0:49:39 GMT
“Expedited removal” means ICE plays judge, jury, & executioner—ripping migrants from their communities without a lawyer or a full, fair hearing. It’s an affront to American values & a threat to our communities. Kiss due process good bye.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 24, 2019 1:47:08 GMT
and birth certificates did not help the japanese americans at all.. I don't think she meant it as it being right, but it is an old story.. of having your papers if you don't look right.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 24, 2019 2:44:32 GMT
(Whew. Busy day today on the pod.)
Francisco Erwin Galicia has been released.
From NYT:
SAN ANTONIO — Francisco Erwin Galicia, 18, was born in Dallas and, according to his birth certificate, is an American citizen. But he was held in federal immigration custody for nearly four weeks after he was detained at a Border Patrol traffic checkpoint in South Texas.
Mr. Galicia showed the agents the proof of his birth in the United States when he was stopped at the checkpoint one night in June, when he was on his way to a college soccer tryout. But the agents, his lawyer said, told him they believed it was fake.
They took him into custody, taking him first to a Border Patrol facility in the border city of McAllen and then to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Pearsall, Tex., southwest of San Antonio.
Late Tuesday afternoon, 26 days after he was first detained, Mr. Galicia was released after the news media, Democratic lawmakers and migrant advocacy groups put his case in the national spotlight.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 24, 2019 3:46:34 GMT
(Whew. Busy day today on the pod.) Francisco Erwin Galicia has been released. From NYT: SAN ANTONIO — Francisco Erwin Galicia, 18, was born in Dallas and, according to his birth certificate, is an American citizen. But he was held in federal immigration custody for nearly four weeks after he was detained at a Border Patrol traffic checkpoint in South Texas. Mr. Galicia showed the agents the proof of his birth in the United States when he was stopped at the checkpoint one night in June, when he was on his way to a college soccer tryout. But the agents, his lawyer said, told him they believed it was fake. They took him into custody, taking him first to a Border Patrol facility in the border city of McAllen and then to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Pearsall, Tex., southwest of San Antonio. Late Tuesday afternoon, 26 days after he was first detained, Mr. Galicia was released after the news media, Democratic lawmakers and migrant advocacy groups put his case in the national spotlight.
without the coverage they would have kept him. I'm glad he is out |
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