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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 4, 2019 13:48:48 GMT
A quick google search shows that the tag “nogfz” stands for no gun free zones. So basically this person wants guns to be allowed everywhere, all the time. I would encourage everyone to ignore the spew of a person who has chosen that username. Thumbs down. It irritates me when someone comes into our community just to stir the pot. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 4, 2019 13:49:15 GMT
A quick google search shows that the tag “nogfz” stands for no gun free zones. So basically this person wants guns to be allowed everywhere, all the time. I would encourage everyone to ignore the spew of a person who has chosen that username. Sadly, that user is obviously someone who posts/reads (or has posted/read) here regularly, based on a couple of comments they made. |
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Post by mrssmith on Aug 4, 2019 14:00:25 GMT
Sadly, when I heard about Gilroy, my first thought was - well, we were about due for another one... And now 2 more in less than 24 hours. Too bad we don't worry about our homegrown terrorists. In Dayton, even though the good guys with guns stopped the shooter in less than a minute, he was able to kill 9 and injure 26.
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Post by elaine on Aug 4, 2019 14:06:32 GMT
And another in Dayton OH. 9 dead 16 injured. Within 24 hours. And we still have 4 hours to go in this 24 hour period. Wonder if there will be another.
Another shooting 14 hours after El Paso. This time in white Ohio. How can any of us feel safe? We'll all be dead before congress will pass any gun law. 
FWIW, and not that it matters, Dayton isn’t really “white.” About 40% of the population is Black. When will Congress do anything and enact sensible gun control legislation? How many senseless gun deaths are enough? I find it ironic that we have discussed the lack of mental health support and care here on this board for decades, and only now when the gun issue has become impossible to ignore and sweep under the rug are the right-wing extremists suddenly interested in mental health, claiming that no one else has been calling for solutions to our country’s mental health crisis. They are clinging to mental health issues as a last ditch attempt to divert attention away from the very real and undeniable problems of unfettered access to firearms in our country. And they were never interested in tackling mental health until now - much preferring the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” approach. |
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Post by Skellinton on Aug 4, 2019 14:25:02 GMT
I truly support the spirit behind all of those restrictions. They make sense on the surface. Now tell me, how do you make criminals and mentally impaired persons abide by them? Again. Focusing on the object is being blind to the true problem. Right, because criminals and some mentally ill people will not abide by laws that make murder illegal, we should wipe all those laws off the books. Because some people will murder, we should make it legal for everyone to murder anyone by that very flawed logic. Stupidest reason for not enacting restrictions on access to assault style weapons and high capacity magazines, ever. Someone in my family tried that logic on me today too, the whole “criminals don’t care if there are stricter laws” nonsense. I said then we should take away the laws that make drunk driving illegal. Then they said we should just take away all cars too because people drink and drive. I just rolled my eyes as loud as I could and walked away. I just don’t know what to say to people that say stuff like that. This is a person I love dearly, and this is pretty much the only thing we disagree on, it is so incredibly frustrating. What the eff is the matter with people? Why can’t people say that most of us liberal snowflakes realize banning all guns is never going to happen, but for the love of life itself what is wrong with sensible gun laws and banning the weapons used in these kinds of attacks? |
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 4, 2019 14:29:51 GMT
Another shooting 14 hours after El Paso. This time in white Ohio. How can any of us feel safe? We'll all be dead before congress will pass any gun law.
FWIW, and not that it matters, Dayton isn’t really “white.” About 40% of the population is Black. When will Congress do anything and enact sensible gun control legislation? How many senseless gun deaths are enough? I find it ironic that we have discussed the lack of mental health support and care here on this board for decades, and only now when the gun issue has become impossible to ignore and sweep under the rug are the right-wing extremists suddenly interested in mental health, claiming that no one else has been calling for solutions to our country’s mental health crisis. They are clinging to mental health issues as a last ditch attempt to divert attention away from the very real and undeniable problems of unfettered access to firearms in our country. And they were never interested in tackling mental health until now - much preferring the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” approach. The mental health issues argument has always been a red herring. Even if we pretend that it’s a legitimate argument, the actions of gun rights advocates contradict the focus over mental health. If they argue that mental health is truly the root of the problem, one would think that mental health services would be a priority for them, right? But that’s not so. There were studies that linked voting patterns to the preservation of gun rights, and found that gun owners are more likely to vote for Republicans who generally have no interest in curtailing gun rights. The same Republicans who haven’t stopped attempting to repeal the ACA since its inception. So, they’d rather vote for leaders who would take healthcare access away, i ncluding mandatory mental health services in the ACA, so long as they can keep their guns. How does this even begin to make sense? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 14:43:24 GMT
But some of this is just pure evil. There are things medicines and therapies can't fix. There are people who are just evil. Agreed! iamkristinl16 is right. What have Republicans done to improve mental health care? I haven't even heard bills introduced to try. The conversation on this is one sided. And minimal, at best. There is a huge issue with parity of care. I can talk all day about this, if you want to start another thread. I have excellent insurance. But mental health isn't given the same kind of coverage as physical health. You both have said it so well! Thank you! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 14:49:55 GMT
A quick google search shows that the tag “nogfz” stands for no gun free zones. So basically this person wants guns to be allowed everywhere, all the time. THIS is why there were issues getting to the wounded in El Paso.... They had to screen a few who had their guns out... why it was said 3 in custody.. who had to be screened out.... |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 4, 2019 15:08:09 GMT
You know I'm starting to get tired of blaming mental illness. I have long been an advocate of psychiatrists having the ability to put mentally ill people on block lists for gun purchase. I'm fine with my name being on that list too even though the chances of me hurting someone are zero. But some of this is just pure evil. There are things medicines and therapies can't fix. There are people who are just evil. I don't blame mental illness, i blame lack of good mental health in people. I don't think you need to have a page in the most recent DSM to have poor mental health |
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Post by marimoose on Aug 4, 2019 15:11:04 GMT
A quick google search shows that the tag “nogfz” stands for no gun free zones. So basically this person wants guns to be allowed everywhere, all the time. I would encourage everyone to ignore the spew of a person who has chosen that username. Thumbs down. It irritates me when someone comes into our community just to stir the pot. When such rude sickening crap like that is spewed and is obviously by someone who is familiar with the board, likely several other alias, makes me wonder why those in control of the board cannot block their IP addresses. Such hatred. I am sorry elaine that you experienced her vileness. That was way beyond acceptable and the sign of a sick mind. It makes me feel so ill that someone like that walks among us  |
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Post by elaine on Aug 4, 2019 15:31:27 GMT
Thumbs down. It irritates me when someone comes into our community just to stir the pot. When such rude sickening crap like that is spewed and is obviously by someone who is familiar with the board, likely several other alias, makes me wonder why those in control of the board cannot block their IP addresses. Such hatred. I am sorry elaine that you experienced her vileness. That was way beyond acceptable and the sign of a sick mind. It makes me feel so ill that someone like that walks among us Thanks for your kind words  - I’m really okay. Her words say a great deal about her, and not much about me. I would hate to have to live inside her skin 24 hours a day. And, sadly, just as Trump has brought out in the open the hate that a large white segment of the population has always held, this debate has just brought out in the open what has always been a part of our community. She and others like her have walked among us since the beginning; they just choose to take a variety of user ids in an attempt to hide their hate and continue to use the board for personal support under other ids. They are cowards, too fearful of the consequences of posting under their more well-known personas. As much as I vehemently disagree with snowsilver on these issues, at least Elise is brave enough to post under her own name. The others are just keyboard cowards. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 4, 2019 16:37:05 GMT
I agree that guns/lax gun laws are the main problem. But I am also concerned about what seems to be a problem with some young men. I’m not a mental health expert, but there does seem to be a problem with young men who are/feel socially isolated. I dunno; maybe I’m wrong. But why do so many of these shooters seem to be young men with few friends? Honest question.
I do know that somehow, some way, we have got to reform our laws. And just because we have a second amendment doesn’t mean that you should be able to have a gun that can murder a number of people in a few seconds. That’s just a sense of entitlement gone barking mad.
I think my slogan for the 2020 elections will be “ Haven’t we all had enough?” I certainly have.
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Post by katybee on Aug 4, 2019 16:44:46 GMT
I agree that guns/lax gun laws are the main problem. But I am also concerned about what seems to be a problem with some young men. I’m not a mental health expert, but there does seem to be a problem with young men who are/feel socially isolated. I dunno; maybe I’m wrong. But why do so many of these shooters seem to be young men with few friends? Honest question. Because they are easily radicalized. They are looking for their identity, a sense of belonging, people to blame for their woes. They are finding it on 4chan and 8chan and in other alt-right sites and groups. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 4, 2019 16:59:08 GMT
I agree that guns/lax gun laws are the main problem. But I am also concerned about what seems to be a problem with some young men. I’m not a mental health expert, but there does seem to be a problem with young men who are/feel socially isolated. I dunno; maybe I’m wrong. But why do so many of these shooters seem to be young men with few friends? Honest question. Because they are easily radicalized. They are looking for their identity, a sense of belonging, people to blame for their woes. They are finding it on 4chan and 8chan and in other alt-right sites and groups. And Trump is weaponizing them with weapons they shouldn’t have. Are Republicans ever going to admit that we have a full blown crisis happening? We already know the answer. They are useless, aside from thoughts and prayers. |
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 4, 2019 17:06:35 GMT
I think it was someone being interviewed on CNN or MSNBC said they were glad they hadn't heard those words yet! Well, we can all rest easy now. Greg Abbott, Ted Cruz, and John Cornyn have all sent out their thoughts and prayers. Now let's just move on to the next one, shall we? Even in my disgusted sarcasm, I didn't imagine the next one would be less than a day later. I'm just sick. |
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Post by PLurker on Aug 4, 2019 17:08:34 GMT
I do believe that fully automatic weapons should be banned. I do think things like bump stocks and anything else that can make a gun fire like an automatic should be banned. I think high capacity clips should be very well regulated in that there must be a specific reason, you must pass a background check, and maybe even some sort of psych test to be able to legally own more than a 10 clip I truly support the spirit behind all of those restrictions. They make sense on the surface. Now tell me, how do you make criminals and mentally impaired persons abide by them? Again. Focusing on the object is being blind to the true problem. Hey, no gun free zone, there aren't any mentally ill people free zones or countries. people are people worldwide with the same problems mentally. Yet here, in our 'best' country, the shootings outnumber most countries combined. What's the difference? Hint: it's not the stability of the people in general. |
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Post by RosieKat on Aug 4, 2019 17:25:31 GMT
While we argue amongst ourselves about the perfect solution, more massacres are happening. Still others are being planned. What we're doing IS NOT WORKING. And it seems to me that there are so many things we could try without even approaching a 2nd amendment argument. While we bicker, people are dying. Something needs to happen other than just thoughts and prayers! (And I am one who does believe in prayer, but we also have to actively work towards a solution ourselves.)
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 4, 2019 17:37:44 GMT
While we argue amongst ourselves about the perfect solution, more massacres are happening. Still others are being planned. What we're doing IS NOT WORKING. And it seems to me that there are so many things we could try without even approaching a 2nd amendment argument. While we bicker, people are dying. Something needs to happen other than just thoughts and prayers! (And I am one who does believe in prayer, but we also have to actively work towards a solution ourselves.) We are. What else should we do? My Dem lawmakers are writing/supporting bills that would alleviate the problem if not totally solve it (because of the 2A) and we’re not getting anywhere because of opposition. I continue to contribute to The Brady Campaign, and I’m sure many others do, too, with other gun control lobbyists. I vote for people who are not in NRA’s pocket, and I’m sure many others do, too. What else can we do? |
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Post by gar on Aug 4, 2019 17:52:38 GMT
They are useless, aside from thoughts and prayers. Which still equals useless 😣 |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 4, 2019 17:53:20 GMT
While we argue amongst ourselves about the perfect solution, more massacres are happening. Still others are being planned. What we're doing IS NOT WORKING. And it seems to me that there are so many things we could try without even approaching a 2nd amendment argument. While we bicker, people are dying. Something needs to happen other than just thoughts and prayers! (And I am one who does believe in prayer, but we also have to actively work towards a solution ourselves.) We are. What else should we do? My Dem lawmakers are writing/supporting bills that would alleviate the problem if not totally solve it (because of the 2A) and we’re not getting anywhere because of opposition. I continue to contribute to The Brady Campaign, and I’m sure many others do, too, with other gun control lobbyists. I vote for people who are not in NRA’s pocket, and I’m sure many others do, too. What else can we do? Let’s also not forget that any progress that was made by Obama and Congress when he was president, was reversed by trump. |
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Post by gar on Aug 4, 2019 17:58:18 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 4, 2019 18:56:16 GMT
They are useless, aside from thoughts and prayers. Which still equals useless 😣 Yep. I guess that it’s comforting for some, but it is time for Congress to move past it and actually address the problem. They won’t, though. Which is why the Senate race in 2020 is so important. We have got to neuter Mitch McConnell. |
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Post by Just T on Aug 4, 2019 18:57:49 GMT
This “guns are inanimate objects” argument is about the silliest thing anyone can come up with. Staplers are also inanimate objects but you can’t massacre people with it. Exactly. Or knives. Yeah, people can kill with a knife, but when was the last time someone killed 9 people and gravely injured 26 others with a knife in less than two minutes? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 4, 2019 18:59:08 GMT
While we argue amongst ourselves about the perfect solution, more massacres are happening. Still others are being planned. What we're doing IS NOT WORKING. And it seems to me that there are so many things we could try without even approaching a 2nd amendment argument. While we bicker, people are dying. Something needs to happen other than just thoughts and prayers! (And I am one who does believe in prayer, but we also have to actively work towards a solution ourselves.) We are. What else should we do? My Dem lawmakers are writing/supporting bills that would alleviate the problem if not totally solve it (because of the 2A) and we’re not getting anywhere because of opposition. I continue to contribute to The Brady Campaign, and I’m sure many others do, too, with other gun control lobbyists. I vote for people who are not in NRA’s pocket, and I’m sure many others do, too. What else can we do? 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 I hope that these tragic murders and the lack of substantive response by the GOP will motivate Democrats to turn out to vote. Beyond that, yeah, we are pretty helpless right now. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 19:22:22 GMT
We have got to neuter Mitch McConnell. Better yet call him Moscow Mitch, that apparently is getting to him..... He thinks he is more patriotic than the rest of us, but of course hasn't learned how to show it to the US only to his and dt's friends over there! |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 4, 2019 20:25:38 GMT
We have got to neuter Mitch McConnell. Better yet call him Moscow Mitch, that apparently is getting to him..... He thinks he is more patriotic than the rest of us, but of course hasn't learned how to show it to the US only to his and dt's friends over there! I do, on Twitter.  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 20:27:31 GMT
WELL!! A republican says 'white supremacy' !! Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Sunday condemned the recent mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, as "a heinous act of terrorism and white supremacy."“We must speak clearly to combat evil in any form it takes. What we saw yesterday was a heinous act of terrorism and white supremacy. There is no place for this in El Paso, in Texas, or anywhere across our nation,” Cruz tweeted Sunday. “We are all Americans and we are all standing united with El Paso.” He added that as a “son of a Cuban immigrant,” he is “deeply horrified by the hateful anti-Hispanic bigotry expressed in the shooter’s so-called ‘manifesto.’” “This ignorant racism is repulsive and profoundly anti-American,” he tweeted. ** Cruz's colleague, Texas Sen. John Cornyn (R) responded to the shooting by pushing back against the calls to pass gun control legislation.
He tweeted that “for every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.”
“Sadly, there are some issues, like homelessness and these shootings, where we simply don't have all the answers,” the Republican senator said, adding that some progress has been made by “improving the broken background check system, improving access to mental health treatment, by hardening soft targets like our schools, by enhanced training for law enforcement and mental health professionals.”
“But we need to keep trying. Focusing on law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights solves nothing. We need to treat these crimes as problems to be solved, rather than one to be exploited for partisan political gain.”
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thehill.com/homenews/senate/456118-texas-gop-senators-respond-to-el-paso-shooting |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 20:29:09 GMT
Moscow Mitch is home recovering from a broken shoulder!! May he be stuck at home for a long time!! The Senate could move on without him!!! YES!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 21:25:20 GMT
WELL!! A republican says 'white supremacy' !! Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Sunday condemned the recent mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, as "a heinous act of terrorism and white supremacy."“We must speak clearly to combat evil in any form it takes. What we saw yesterday was a heinous act of terrorism and white supremacy. There is no place for this in El Paso, in Texas, or anywhere across our nation,” Cruz tweeted Sunday. “We are all Americans and we are all standing united with El Paso.” He added that as a “son of a Cuban immigrant,” he is “deeply horrified by the hateful anti-Hispanic bigotry expressed in the shooter’s so-called ‘manifesto.’” “This ignorant racism is repulsive and profoundly anti-American,” he tweeted. ** What does he reckon fascism is if it's not white supremacy and yet he co-sponsors a resolution calling for Anti fascism to be designated a Domestic Terrorist Organization LINK |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 22:03:02 GMT
A quick google search shows that the tag “nogfz” stands for no gun free zones. So basically this person wants guns to be allowed everywhere, all the time. THIS is why there were issues getting to the wounded in El Paso.... They had to screen a few who had their guns out... why it was said 3 in custody.. who had to be screened out.... And did any of their guns help in stopping the shooter?? From what we've learned thus far, the answer is a resounding NO!!! These shooters are armed with high power assault weapons and sometimes body armor. Hard to fight them off if you have a handgun. |
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