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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 24, 2019 16:47:05 GMT
I relate to this. I've never participated on the dinner thread or the call to action thread and probably never will. In fact, I don't believe I've even ever opened either thread. I come here for entertainment and fluff threads when I have a few minutes to read the board. Understandable. There is just a lot going on in the world politically and as it relates to social justice issues though I get wanting an entertaining place to waste time. ...and she “persists”... |
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Post by mom on Oct 24, 2019 17:03:45 GMT
I'll answer the question. I am doing nothing. Absolutely nothing. There's your answer. I truly envy people that have jobs, people that have time, people that can volunteer, people that travel to gain a new perspective, people that have money to contribute to important causes, people that can take a break from their responsibilities and pursue a passionate cause, people that make a difference to this world. I used to make a difference a long time ago and now I exist. The small things I try to do are not enough and will never be enough. I won't participate on the Call to Action thread for that reason. It's embarrassing, depressing, and not worth mentioning. All I can do is read about racism, but there's no one I can educate. I don't participate on the what's for dinner thread because I hate cooking and that's what I thought it was primarily about until reading this thread. There it is; I answered the question. My white fragility is showing. I get what you are saying - but I also want to encourage you. The small things you do DO matter. They are enough. You are doing what you can, with what you have. And sometimes, when you do your little part, that will encourage someone else who has more time, energy, money to do their part as well. Even if you are just calling out members on a scrapbook board when they are being racist - that is doing something and that matters. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 24, 2019 18:12:28 GMT
I really saw nothing wrong with Olan’s original question or her follow ups but do think it’s very interesting how the reactions went. So much focus on who Olan is perceived to be and her tone rather than her admittedly “tough question.” Not surprising, considering that this is NSBR, though. I guess many threads here get personal like that, but it feels exceptionally gross when a woman of color asks white women a pointed question and then gets dragged for a) pointing out the presence and role of whiteness and b) not having a kind enough or “educational” enough tone. Yikes. I just wanted to say I really appreciate your defense of me but more importantly I appreciate your commitment to reaching the peas who for whatever reason don’t want to hear it from a black woman. Thank you! Riiiighhhttt...because that is what every single pea who responded said or implied. 🙄🙄🙄 such passive-aggressive bullcrap. Many here in pealand have tried to listen to you—really hear you, and you crap on them. I get it—in general—you don’t like white women. You don’t trust them. You don’t see them as friends or allies. You have no use for them as you state. Yet you continue to comeback and want to enlighten, even under false pretense. Fred’s terminology today ‘dishonest broker’ fits you to “t” Olan. It is near impossible to attempt any convo with you, to learn from you, to hear you—and it’s such a disservice that you do, so many missed opportunities for healing and moving forward. But I’m not sure that is what you actually desire. Your path/method , inevitably leads to the same—a need to inflict as much hurt, transgression, insults, pain that black women have suffered since forever. You have an audience here—one in which many are genuinely willing to participate—however it gets lost. Coming together as WOMEN needs to happen in order for the correction of racial and social injustices. We need to be each other’s allies. Women do have more power in collective groupings, it’s near impossible to “resist and persist” alone because of the current administration. It’s disgusting that so many white women voted for the m*therf#cker in office now, and in the last 3 years has resulted in many women to get up and actively begin the work that needs to be done to defeat the injustices to all women. We rise by lifting one another up, not tearing them down for the good of humans. ( I’m all for tearing down those who are not for the good of humanity 😉 ) As I stated before, I’m not afraid of having discussions that make me uncomfortable. I’m able and capable of learning and if/when I fail, I try harder the next day. Women here have asked for education on what is best to do, where to start, what matters most, what has the greatest effect—and to be met with “it’s not the job..” is damaging and counterproductive. That shuts down opportunities for learning. Right now, the political climate is such that we are being bombarded every.single.day and it’s chaotic, frenzied, emotionally devastating, tiring, ugly, uncomfortable, it’s a daily resistance on so many issues, women’s rights, racial inequality and injustices, LBGTQ and reproductive rights, religious freedoms, environmental destruction...and the list goes on..with everything coming at us at the daily pace and aggression that it does, we get lost. Women ARE stepping up like never before and working and raising families and going to school and... So I end up back to this— In order to progressively and actively make the lives of women better, equal everything then receiving education on what are the best avenues, issues, paths will matter the most and have the greatest effect would be more effective. |
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Post by Olan on Oct 24, 2019 18:24:50 GMT
I'll answer the question. I am doing nothing. Absolutely nothing. There's your answer. I truly envy people that have jobs, people that have time, people that can volunteer, people that travel to gain a new perspective, people that have money to contribute to important causes, people that can take a break from their responsibilities and pursue a passionate cause, people that make a difference to this world. I used to make a difference a long time ago and now I exist. The small things I try to do are not enough and will never be enough. I won't participate on the Call to Action thread for that reason. It's embarrassing, depressing, and not worth mentioning. All I can do is read about racism, but there's no one I can educate. I don't participate on the what's for dinner thread because I hate cooking and that's what I thought it was primarily about until reading this thread. There it is; I answered the question. My white fragility is showing. I get what you are saying - but I also want to encourage you. The small things you do DO matter. They are enough. You are doing what you can, with what you have. And sometimes, when you do your little part, that will encourage someone else who has more time, energy, money to do their part as well. Even if you are just calling out members on a scrapbook board when they are being racist - that is doing something and that matters. I agree. Calling out racist behavior right when you see it happen does a tremendous amount of good. I hope everyone keeps trying to find ways they can do their part. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 24, 2019 21:20:59 GMT
I'll answer the question. I am doing nothing. Absolutely nothing. There's your answer. I truly envy people that have jobs, people that have time, people that can volunteer, people that travel to gain a new perspective, people that have money to contribute to important causes, people that can take a break from their responsibilities and pursue a passionate cause, people that make a difference to this world. I used to make a difference a long time ago and now I exist. The small things I try to do are not enough and will never be enough. I won't participate on the Call to Action thread for that reason. It's embarrassing, depressing, and not worth mentioning. All I can do is read about racism, but there's no one I can educate. I don't participate on the what's for dinner thread because I hate cooking and that's what I thought it was primarily about until reading this thread. There it is; I answered the question. My white fragility is showing. Aw, honey, I wish I was there in person to give you a huge long (((hug))). I know exactly where you are coming from. I wish I could find a magical place that could manage and nurture your kids as well as you do, giving you the energy and ability to do things outside of the household. You are resilient caring and loving - you are one of my heros on this board. The saying “and yet she persisted” fits you to a “t.” You deal with so many challenges daily that many never face and yet you wake up each day and do it again. And you do it all with grace.  eta: don’t ever let anyone tell you that you don’t do enough in your life. You climb a mountain every day. You do plenty. |
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Post by Olan on Nov 2, 2019 14:59:18 GMT
Bump. November 2nd 2019. A Saturday
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Post by Olan on Aug 4, 2020 15:54:42 GMT
90 days out. Really 91 but whose counting.
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Post by katybee on Sept 23, 2020 10:25:25 GMT
I’m not a huge Micheal Bloomberg fan—at all. But this was a good use of his money. Did he do it for the right reasons? Probably not—it was a power move. And there’s no guarantee they’ll vote for Democrats or vote at all (kind of feels a little like buying votes?) But those fines were essentially a poll tax—and I can’t imagine a lot of convicted felons have the financial resources to pay them off quickly. They probably become a debt that just forever hangs over their heads forever—even when they’re trying to start fresh. ESPECIALLY if they’re for non-violent and drug related offenses. Bonus—it makes me giggle a little to imagine all those Republicans who thought they had blocked all those voters with the SC decision turning red when they found out. |
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Post by Olan on Sept 23, 2020 10:44:56 GMT
I’m not a huge Micheal Bloomberg fan—at all. But this was a good use of his money. Did he do it for the right reasons? Probably not—it was a power move. And there’s no guarantee they’ll vote for Democrats or vote at all (kind of feels a little like buying votes?) But those fines were essentially a poll tax—and I can’t imagine a lot of convicted felons have the financial resources to pay them off quickly. They probably become a debt that just forever hangs over their heads forever—even when they’re trying to start fresh. ESPECIALLY if they’re for non-violent and drug related offenses. Bonus—it makes me giggle a little to imagine all those Republicans who thought they had blocked all those voters with the SC decision turning red when they found out. Isn’t that always the case🤷🏾♀️But the alternative would be 35k voters unable to exercise their right so I’m okay with it. I’m guessing much like Missouri or California are okay with the arrests and fines of Black people funding their communities. www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/police-shootings-traffic-stops-excessive-fines/It’s global and well researched...Though I’ve never seen this discussed during threads about Defunding the police. www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-53556514amp.cnn.com/cnn/2015/03/06/us/ferguson-missouri-racism-tickets-fines/index.html |
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Post by Olan on Sept 23, 2020 10:54:23 GMT
Understandable. There is just a lot going on in the world politically and as it relates to social justice issues though I get wanting an entertaining place to waste time. ...and she “persists”... 🙄 Damn straight. The alternative to ineffectual persistence you’ve become so familiar with. |
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Post by katybee on Sept 23, 2020 12:23:15 GMT
I’m not a huge Micheal Bloomberg fan—at all. But this was a good use of his money. Did he do it for the right reasons? Probably not—it was a power move. And there’s no guarantee they’ll vote for Democrats or vote at all (kind of feels a little like buying votes?) But those fines were essentially a poll tax—and I can’t imagine a lot of convicted felons have the financial resources to pay them off quickly. They probably become a debt that just forever hangs over their heads forever—even when they’re trying to start fresh. ESPECIALLY if they’re for non-violent and drug related offenses. Bonus—it makes me giggle a little to imagine all those Republicans who thought they had blocked all those voters with the SC decision turning red when they found out. Isn’t that always the case🤷🏾♀️But the alternative would be 35k voters unable to exercise their right so I’m okay with it. I’m guessing much like Missouri or California are okay with the arrests and fines of Black people funding their communities. www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/police-shootings-traffic-stops-excessive-fines/It’s global and well researched...Though I’ve never seen this discussed during threads about Defunding the police. www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-53556514amp.cnn.com/cnn/2015/03/06/us/ferguson-missouri-racism-tickets-fines/index.htmlI don’t disagree with you on any point. I think the poor (especially in Black and Brown neighborhoods) are continually caught in a cycle of poverty and high-interest debt that makes it difficult, if not impossible, to get ahead. This includes pay-day loans, rent to “own”, the ridiculously expensive, low nutrition food available in food deserts, and court fines and fees on minor offenses (and drug offenses—which I think should be eliminated completely) that are ever compounding. And I don’t kid myself for a minute that it’s not all by design. Keep them poor—keep them powerless. Demonize them and make them scapegoats for our first world problems. I would also include child-support, except I think about the moms left to provide for their kids on their own. And that sucks. And this really deserves a thread of it’s own.... |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 23, 2020 12:56:59 GMT
🙄 Damn straight. The alternative to ineffectual persistence you’ve become so familiar with. It took you almost a year to come up with a snappy comeback?  ? |
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Post by Olan on Sept 23, 2020 13:11:20 GMT
I don’t disagree with you on any point. I think the poor (especially in Black and Brown neighborhoods) are continually caught in a cycle of poverty and high-interest debt that makes it difficult, if not impossible, to get ahead. This includes pay-day loans, rent to “own”, the ridiculously expensive, low nutrition food available in food deserts, and court fines and fees on minor offenses (and drug offenses—which I think should be eliminated completely) that are ever compounding. And I don’t kid myself for a minute that it’s not all by design. Keep them poor—keep them powerless. Demonize them and make them scapegoats for our first world problems. I would also include child-support, except I think about the moms left to provide for their kids on their own. And that sucks. And this really deserves a thread of it’s own.... *smiles* I didn't think you were disagreeing with me. I read what you wrote. I was just speaking to your point that the donation was ultimately a power flex, yet still helped a lot of folks out. Also adding relevant links/points about fines, policing and what should really be the talking points when we are talking about voting rights, the history of police, the function the police served in keeping Black people away from polls 60 years ago, why today we find 45 enforcing or ramping up those same human rights violations, Black people funding their own mistreatment with fines from minor traffic violations no one else gets pulled over for let alone shot dead in the streets over, I could go on and on... they really all do deserve threads. However bumping old ones allow me to keep my energy dispersed in a way I'm comfortable with and serves to show a timeline of events. One someone could easily research and see patterns. Also I'm not taking anything personally here or IRL. That hasn't always been the case so I can see why you may have felt a debate type vibe. I appreciate the time you take to respond. |
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Post by Olan on Sept 23, 2020 13:20:46 GMT
What do all the vocal peas have in common? Time. They have all of the time. Trust me. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 23, 2020 13:35:56 GMT
Just as an aside: there are a LOT of us who fervently disagree with how this was handled. It was presented as a constitutional amendment in MY state. I researched it thoroughly, discussed it with attorney friends and completely agreed with it as written. There was no mention of fee payments as a requirement (essentially a poll tax.) it was not what I voted for. To be passed as an amendment requires a significant portion of the electorate to agree. It wasn’t until it passed that the back peddling began to find a way to circumvent the vote of the majority. I am furious about this. Absolutely furious. It was not what I agreed to and the shenanigans in my state are shameful. |
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Post by Olan on Sept 23, 2020 14:27:29 GMT
Just as an aside: there are a LOT of us who fervently disagree with how this was handled. It was presented as a constitutional amendment in MY state. I researched it thoroughly, discussed it with attorney friends and completely agreed with it as written. There was no mention of fee payments as a requirement (essentially a poll tax.) it was not what I voted for. To be passed as an amendment requires a significant portion of the electorate to agree. It wasn’t until it passed that the back peddling began to find a way to circumvent the vote of the majority. I am furious about this. Absolutely furious. It was not what I agreed to and the shenanigans in my state are shameful. Thanks for sharing I didn’t know that backstory. |
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Post by pierogi on Sept 23, 2020 16:17:09 GMT
Thanks for reviving this thread. I knew Compwalla off the board, and think about her all the time. She wouldn't want us to sit on our butts when there's so much work to do, or be silent while others suffer.
I've been involved in Vote Save America, where you adopt a swing state. I adopted Wisconsin and have been phone banking to get out the vote there. Go Badgers!
During quarantine, a neighbor and I collected clothing for a local battered women's shelter. I knew that domestic violence went up while we were all staying in place, and I really worried about vulnerable women during that time.
Financial donations to organizations doing meaningful work help as well: I've given to the ACLU (They've been working hard on voting rights, especially in areas of suppression,) the Biden/Harris campaign, and the Humane Society.
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Post by Olan on Oct 9, 2020 13:15:23 GMT
All of those things sound great! I’m on Day 5 of a 21 Day GirlTrek challenge where Black women were instructed to simply walk for 30 mins and pray. Each day they highlight a scripture and someone who embodied the scripture during their fight for Black people. Yesterday was Diamond Reynolds Philando Castile’s partner who recorded his killing. Today it’s Colin Kaepernick. youtu.be/mmQIvL3b0igIs the song of the day though the gospel song that always reminds me of Colin is God Favored Me by Heziekiah Walker |
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Post by Olan on Oct 19, 2020 16:06:44 GMT
Day 11 of GirlTreks 21 days of prayer Precious Lord, take my hand. Be with me this week as I walk in my purpose. Show me where I’ve lost expectancy. Deal with the places in my life where I’ve settled, gotten off track, or completely lost my way. Help me to trust your promises. Teach me to walk with wisdom and discernment. I am an heir. Teach me to act like one, pray like one, and believe like one. Give me holy gumption. Give me the presence of mind to be a witness through all of my words and actions. Let me never be blinded by the limitations of my physical circumstances. Help me to see beyond. Put a song in my heart as I walk through the day, welcoming and receiving with open arms the goodness that I know you have in store for me. Spiritual Warrior of the Day: “There is no music like that music, no drama like the drama of the saints rejoicing, the sinners moaning, the tambourines racing, and all those voices coming together and crying holy unto the Lord. I have never seen anything to equal the fire and excitement that sometimes without warning, fills a church, causing the church … to rock. – James Baldwin This is a story about the father of gospel music. This is a story about a man who carried the rhythm and blues of southern pain all the way north to Chicago and combined it with the scripture of God to create a new sound that would express the joys and sorrows, hopes and despairs, and most of all - the collective faith - of Black people. This is a celebration of the spiritual warrior, Thomas Dorsey. Thomas Dorsey introduced the world to a new genre of music that would forever play as the soundtrack to the worship experience of Black people. His legendary life included authoring one of the most celebrated songs in the history of music, Precious Lord, written after losing both his wife and newborn son during childbirth. In that dark moment, this man called out to God in anger and God answered back, pouring into him a love song that would forever soothe the world. That’s how powerfully God can transform your pain into purpose. Today’s walk will be a timely reminder for anyone who had forgotten. You might be in your darkest hour right now, but Thomas Dorsey’s story teaches us to keep holding on. There is life after death and in each day, always, a possibility of goodness. Come get everything that you need today. We will be on the virtual sidewalk ready to walk and talk it all out. Can’t wait to see you. Maternal death rates haven’t improved since Thomas Dorsey lost his family. www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1125896 |
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Post by Olan on Oct 28, 2020 15:05:07 GMT
medium.com/equality-includes-you/what-white-people-can-do-for-racial-justice-f2d18b0e0234An insanely comprehensive list complete with links. Number 10 If you or a friend or family member is an educator, watch or share this video of Neil deGrasse Tyson speaking about his experience as a Black student telling people he wanted to be a scientist and astrophysicist. Tyson’s experience reminds me of a Black friend whose high school teachers tried to dissuade her from taking AP classes, because, with the best of intentions, they thought the AP classes would be “too much” for her. Be an educator who supports and encourages, not one who dissuades. Talk to educators you know about being educators who support and encourage, not educators who dissuade. Number 42 Especially if you or a friend is an educator, read or share bell hooks’ Teaching to Transgress. Buy it from one of these Black-owned bookstores. Number 46 Listen without ego and defensiveness to people of color. Truly listen. Don’t scroll past articles written by people of color — Read them. Number 53 Seek out a diverse group of friends for you. Practice real friendship and intimacy by listening when POC talk about their experiences and their perspectives. They’re speaking about their pain. HUGE ONE Number 66 When people ask, “Why aren't you talking about ‘black-on-black crime’?” and other myths about BLM, let Francesca Ramsey help you with those talking points. Number 68 Be honest about our history. One genocide, another genocide, then apartheid. It sucks, but it’s true. We’ll never be free from our history unless we’re honest about it. Denial is our pathology, but the truth will set us free. Number 73 Personally divest your investments in private prisons and detention centers. Start here. Many people are divesting from Wells Fargo for their substantial role in Standing Rock and from private prison companies Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), GEO Group, CoreCivic, and G4S. Number 80 A wise former teacher once said, “The question isn’t: Was the act racist or not? The question is: How much racism was in play?” So maybe racism was 3% of the motivation or 30% or 95%. Interrogate the question “How much racism was in play?” as you think about an incident. Share this idea with the people in your life when they ask, “Was that racist?” Number 84 Read this article by educator and activity Bettina L. Love about the harm done by schools to their Black students. Ensure your local school/School Board has a clear and strong policy of zero tolerance for racial slurs, physically touching a child to discipline them, invasions of privacy like strip searches, hair discrimination, etc. “Zero tolerance” means loss of a job, loss of a pension, and mandatory reporting to state Department of Education. If and when school officials don’t comply with their own policies, or when a school refuses to create these policies altogether, use resources at your disposal like social media, local news media, connections to the School Board, etc to hold them accountable. Number 90 When people lament that the policing problem is just “a few bad apples,” share the following evidence that it is not: comedian Amber Ruffin discussing her police encounters, the Buffalo cop who intervened on a chokehold and lost her job and pension, the Minneapolis police union chief who used his powerful position to try to justify George Floyd’s torture and death, and the Philadelphia Police Union President who, in his position of authority, called Black Lives Matter protestors ‘rabid animals.’ Remember that the fourth stage of genocide is “dehumanization, wherein members of a particular group “are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases.” Number 92 Don’t gentrify neighborhoods. Number 99 Have an idea to fight white supremacy or sexism or homophobia, etc? Do the research to see if someone who’s Black is already doing it. A Black friend was contacted by a white woman who wanted to organize a BLM protest in her town — my Black friend’s first response was, “Do you know if any Black leaders are already doing it?” The white woman wasn’t sure. Similarly, if Alyssa Milano had checked for #metoo on Twitter before her tweet, she may have found Tarana Burke’s original #metoo tweet from 2006 — and could have rightly attributed the idea from the start and amplified a Black woman’s voice.
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2023 15:48:01 GMT
How is everyone?
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 27, 2023 17:35:24 GMT
I have to admit, with all the bumped old threads lately, I almost didn't look and see you had come back! Hi, how are you doing?
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Post by pilcas on Jan 27, 2023 17:52:28 GMT
Hello! We are our usual selves in the pod!
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Post by librarylady on Jan 28, 2023 0:13:34 GMT
I skipped to the last posts since the "bots" have been dredging up old threads as of late.
Welcome Olan. I think it is safe to say we are about the same as when you last posted.
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Post by don on Jan 28, 2023 1:20:53 GMT
I just don't care for or about politics anymore. We no longer have Party's, we have Hate Groups. It no longer about we citizens it's all about the Party. I lay it all on Trump the Hate Monger.
When Obama Care was being discussed I saw a lot of squabbling, but no vicious hate. Politics now is not about working for the good of the people, it's all about getting even and denigrating the other party.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 28, 2023 1:28:24 GMT
Hi Olan! Glad to have you dropping by.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jan 28, 2023 4:59:06 GMT
LC are you back finally? I have missed you. Remember I bought stamps from you. I am in Canadá. |
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Post by Olan on Feb 20, 2023 17:31:01 GMT
I have to admit, with all the bumped old threads lately, I almost didn't look and see you had come back! Hi, how are you doing? I wished I could report happy times but it’s on the horizon. Family crap. I contemplated coming back and asking for divorce advice but thought better of it 🤣 |
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Post by ~summer~ on Feb 20, 2023 18:19:54 GMT
I have to admit, with all the bumped old threads lately, I almost didn't look and see you had come back! Hi, how are you doing? I wished I could report happy times but it’s on the horizon. Family crap. I contemplated coming back and asking for divorce advice but thought better of it 🤣 good to see you Olan. Ask away! We might have decent advice to give… |
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