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Post by christine58 on Oct 22, 2019 20:08:55 GMT
Well..keep bumping it then. For posterity when someone undoubtedly complains about the bumping threads Whatever floats your boat....
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Post by mom on Oct 22, 2019 20:10:05 GMT
I don’t open or post in the dinner thread because it doesn’t interest me. I also never posted in the call to action thread because that’s just not what I come here for. This is a message board where I come for entertainment when I’m bored and need to kill a few minutes on my phone. Like right now I’m sitting in a lobby while my kids do Ninja Warrior Class. I want threads where people are arguing about foot flushing and hand towels and poop knives. This is Pealand. I don’t really come here for the tough questions. Okay, I think I missed that one along the way.... Post #1 Post #2
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 22, 2019 20:10:58 GMT
The dinner thread is way more than what's for dinner. It's a definite community of people who really know each other. It was started by Kathy and posted by Kathy for years (I feel like it was years, anyway). It probably took quite a while to gain traction. And Kathy was instrumental in keeping it going. She didn't just bump it with no thoughts, and she sincerely interacted with the people there. It was just continued after she died by people who were already a part of the community. I don't post on it, because I don't feel like I can commit to the community there, if that makes sense, although I'm sure I'd be welcomed. The Call to Action thread was not started by Compwalla, nor had it been around for years with a solid community of posters. I'm not even sure she would have posted on it regularly. It was started in her memory. It was not a daily post. Most threads that try to form community tend to fizzle here after a few weeks. Very few continue with large participation after the first few times of being posted. Many have come and gone for lots of different reasons, several of which are listed above.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 22, 2019 20:23:34 GMT
I wander in & out of the dinner thread. Many times I just read. When I’m going thru crap I close up. When I’m busy or I’m eating chili for the 5th day in a row ( how often can you joke about 1 word dinner answers ) I don’t post. When I inevitably come back to posting as opposed to just reading the thread, there isn’t any ( public at least ) judgment on where I’ve been & how could I not possibly see the importance of it & how I’m failing my responsibility not posting or whatever. I’m just accepted back, as me, flaws & all. Like family.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Oct 22, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
This thread could be part of the reason. Nothing is ever good enough. And why is this a white woman thing? Shouldn’t all humans take action to make this world better? I feel to post on the Compwalla thread it would need to be a significant action I’m taking...nobody gives a shit about the companies I’m boycotting because of their business practices or the political leaders I reach out to in my blue state. I feel I’m making a difference but I don’t want to post something and have people think as a white woman I’m not doing enough.
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Post by Linda on Oct 22, 2019 20:34:59 GMT
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Post by PLurker on Oct 22, 2019 20:36:16 GMT
and if you get down to it, you can wonder why any other thread dies a quick death while other carry on for what seems like forever.
Some I think are going to be interesting and thought provoking die instantly (or right after I post LOL) Others I think have little interest or are not so thought provoking on the surface turn out to be exactly the opposite go on for pages and pages and pages....
It's an organic thing. Can't be forced.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 22, 2019 20:49:27 GMT
I can't say that I have participated in either of those threads. I miss those peas and their presence on the board is missed. I feel like I should make more of an effort to keep those threads alive. I am political and make sure I speak out, even if it falls on deaf ears with politicians in office. Whether or not I'm considered a white woman depends on the form I'm filling out. I'm Hispanic and consider that to be my race. We have our own view on race that isn't necessarily shared by most Americans, so usually there is no "Hispanic" on the race list. But that's a whole other thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 21:15:09 GMT
So don't just bump it - take charge of it. Get the conversation going. Include everyone and don't just put it on *white women* to do all the work. Or is it just more important to you to point out how we are all failing so miserably?
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 22, 2019 21:16:36 GMT
Thanks. I think. I'm just getting ready to eat dinner so perhaps I'll wait till later to read them.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2019 21:25:10 GMT
So don't just bump it - take charge of it. Get the conversation going. Include everyone and don't just put it on *white women* to do all the work. Or is it just more important to you to point out how we are all failing so miserably? THIS! if you are passionate about this, take it on! But you might need to change your...delivery. If you are pointing fingers, name calling, defensive, and rude, then that will make people not want to participate on it. Make this yours!
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Post by flanz on Oct 22, 2019 21:29:26 GMT
You clicking constitutes a yes. Thank you. How is it that the Compwalla Call To Action thread is never on top but the AKathy What’s For Dinner thread almost always is? I know everyone hates when I bring up the sense of responsibility white women should feel but....*looking around making eye contact with those of you who haven’t averted your eyes* it’s impeachment time and fall! Perfect time for those hats no?! Even if my issue isn’t your issue, aren’t there soooo many to choose from? Its at the top (and started everyday) because someone (Not sure who) takes it upon themselves to start it every day. And then when people want to share what they're having for dinner, the thread gets bumped. I am sure if you would like to take it upon yourself to post a Compwalla Call To Action thread every day, people would share what they've done. In all honestly, I feel like it probably fell to the side because it was a once-a-month post and people just get busy and forget. edited to add: for fun, I looked up who started the Compwalla Call To Action threads is in the past. It hasn't just been one person. I feel like this is why it has been forgotten -- no one has committed themselves to doing it and everyone else thinks someone else will do it. Raising my hand. I believe i was the first person to start the Call to Action thread in honor of our friend Compwalla/ Virginia. And I dropped the ball in not posting monthly. I think that was partly due to very little participation. Part was due to ill health. If you would like to take over posting it one a month Olan , I would be grateful. I don't think of it as something to do to pay myself on the back for what I have done / am doing/ will do, but rather as a way for those of us interested in issues of social justice to share info/ ideas and to inspire one another. As to what I have been doing: I participated in a UU curriculum this spring on issues revolving around race. 1.5 day workshop with participants from several other congregations to begin with, then eight 2 hour sessions over the next 4 months with our congregation's group of 13. This past Sunday we created the entire worship service, with 4 of us delivering mini sermons and 11 of us taking part in one way or another. Another group will be starting this February and 14 people signed up to participate immediately following the service. I was one of the speakers sharing my experience with the congregation. I had 4 minutes in which to speak and gave a lot of thought to my remarks. I make a monthly donation in support Shaun King's Real Justice PAC, whose mission is to "Elect prosecutors who will fix our broken criminal justice system." I read and watch content created by black people - Ta Nehesi Coates, Ava Duvernay, Jacqueline Woodson and others. I attend local events where i can learn/ hear from people of color, including an event I'm going to this week, on my birthday. I support my local SURJ group (Showing up for Racial Justice). There is sooo much more for me to do and to learn. I would LOVE to participate in a monthly Call to Action Thread. Edited to add: This is the quote in my email siggy. "...there really is no mode of empathy that can replicate the daily strain of knowing that as a black person you can be killed for simply being black." Claudia Rankine
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Post by flanz on Oct 22, 2019 21:31:51 GMT
The dinner thread is so much more than what we're having for dinner. It is a community of Peas who respect each other and share our every day lives through encouragement, camaraderie, tears, fears and laughter. It is a lifeline to some Peas who are going through life-changing events and struggles. As others have said, it is comparing apples and oranges. Could the Compwalla thread not have become that. In times like these? Is that sort of community only possible in a dinner thread? I would love to be part of such a community Olan!
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Post by flanz on Oct 22, 2019 21:33:28 GMT
I don't post on the dinner thread because I'm not overly interested and as a practical matter, am not always sure what it will be. I don't post on the call to action thread because I feel it's very easy to come across as bragging, even if that's not the intent. I am a full-time volunteer for causes that matter greatly to me, as well as a stay-at-home mom which is important to me. Every day almost, I am formally working towards those causes. (And of course, parenting!) But I don't feel the need to talk about it. I'm of the school of "Preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words." I am like you in many ways. When I do something nice for someone I try to do it anonymously. It's not about me. But in terms of making our world a better place, in a thread designed to share what we're doing, I feel it is about inspiring others. And there can't be too much of that in our current world, in my opinion.
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Post by peaname on Oct 22, 2019 21:45:12 GMT
Maybe those of us who are interested in dinner are on here posting and those of us who are called to action are out doing things and don’t have time to post. Shrug.
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 22, 2019 21:45:39 GMT
You clicking constitutes a yes. Thank you. How is it that the Compwalla Call To Action thread is never on top but the AKathy What’s For Dinner thread almost always is? I know everyone hates when I bring up the sense of responsibility white women should feel but....*looking around making eye contact with those of you who haven’t averted your eyes* it’s impeachment time and fall! Perfect time for those hats no?! Even if my issue isn’t your issue, aren’t there soooo many to choose from? I haven't read any of the thread so maybe my question is already answered....But, I'm wondering why it's only the responsibility of white women to address issues? Why wouldn't you just say "....when I bring up the sense of responsibility ALL woman should feel...." ?? or even better... "....the sense of responsibility EVERYONE should feel..." ? Personally I don't participate in either thread. I don't do the dinner thread because I hate thinking up what to cook, and half the time I never know anyway until later in the day. Although, maybe I should take a look at the thread to get some ideas. And honestly I've never seen the "call to action" thread that you're talking about. It sounds like it was a place to list what we've done in the way of social justice and/or political lobbying or whatever...? I'm not sure I'd participate in that because the things I do are regular, every week or month (depending on what it is), and it sounds like bragging, and also I get plenty of discussion about all that through my church so I'm not necessarily looking for that here.
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Post by Olan on Oct 22, 2019 22:09:59 GMT
So don't just bump it - take charge of it. Get the conversation going. Include everyone and don't just put it on *white women* to do all the work. Or is it just more important to you to point out how we are all failing so miserably? You do realize my taking charge won’t change participation.
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Post by Olan on Oct 22, 2019 22:19:29 GMT
Also I have no desire to change your mind about what your responsibilities are as a white women. Stay where you are. No engagement from me required.
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Post by busy on Oct 22, 2019 22:25:37 GMT
This couldn’t be a better case study in why Olan specifically mentioned white women.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 22:32:42 GMT
This couldn’t be a better case study in why Olan specifically mentioned white women. You mean calling out white women for not doing what she also isn't doing?
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Post by busy on Oct 22, 2019 22:39:03 GMT
This couldn’t be a better case study in why Olan specifically mentioned white women. You mean calling out white women for not doing what she also isn't doing? No. You understand, of course, that it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about institutional (and other) racism. And even if they try, it generally falls upon deaf ears or protestations of "I don't see color" and other equally insipid, damaging, false excuses. It's the responsibility of white people educate themselves and to teach other white people to do better in race issues.
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Post by LiLi on Oct 22, 2019 22:39:59 GMT
"I know everyone hates when I bring up the sense of responsibility white women should feel but..." WHY do you think that every white woman should have a sense of responsibility? Do you know what some "white women" have had to go through to get to North America? That some of the white women have been persecuted for their faith or have undergone other things in their effort to get to North America. And that their daughters, who may have been born here, still bear some of the scars that their mother has/had? And by "Simply clicking means Yes", no, it doesn't mean YES. I wanted to see what this thread is about, to read the entire first post. Omg! Literal, out loud gasp, tears in my eyes... WTF NOoooooOooo!! Seriously?!! Nooooo! Uhhhhh, omg... Fuck. 😢😡🤬😭🤧🤒 You are so off base. ETA: This couldn’t be a better case study in why Olan specifically mentioned white women. This is so true. We are so far from where we should be. I'm embarrassed and sad, and I feel helpless and a bit hopeless. 😢☹
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 22:47:16 GMT
I wander in & out of the dinner thread. Many times I just read. When I’m going thru crap I close up. When I’m busy or I’m eating chili for the 5th day in a row ( how often can you joke about 1 word dinner answers ) I don’t post. When I inevitably come back to posting as opposed to just reading the thread, there isn’t any ( public at least ) judgment on where I’ve been & how could I not possibly see the importance of it & how I’m failing my responsibility not posting or whatever. I’m just accepted back, as me, flaws & all. Like family. This. All of this.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 22, 2019 22:59:07 GMT
I don’t open or post in the dinner thread because it doesn’t interest me. I also never posted in the call to action thread because that’s just not what I come here for. This is a message board where I come for entertainment when I’m bored and need to kill a few minutes on my phone. Like right now I’m sitting in a lobby while my kids do Ninja Warrior Class. I want threads where people are arguing about foot flushing and hand towels and poop knives. This is Pealand. I don’t really come here for the tough questions. Okay, I think I missed that one along the way....
Be very glad you did. I wish I could erase it from my brain...
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Post by librarylady on Oct 22, 2019 23:01:16 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 22, 2019 23:48:38 GMT
Ok. so Olan wants a white woman on here to post a weekly/monthly/whatever thread..right? And then she will come on it, and tell all us white women how wrong we are? got it.
I think Ps are being rubbed the wrong way, because online, you don't see color. I have NO idea what color people are.
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Post by Olan on Oct 23, 2019 0:05:18 GMT
"I know everyone hates when I bring up the sense of responsibility white women should feel but..." WHY do you think that every white woman should have a sense of responsibility? Do you know what some "white women" have had to go through to get to North America? That some of the white women have been persecuted for their faith or have undergone other things in their effort to get to North America. And that their daughters, who may have been born here, still bear some of the scars that their mother has/had? And by "Simply clicking means Yes", no, it doesn't mean YES. I wanted to see what this thread is about, to read the entire first post. Omg! Literal, out loud gasp, tears in my eyes... WTF NOoooooOooo!! Seriously?!! Nooooo! Uhhhhh, omg... Fuck. 😢😡🤬😭🤧🤒 You are so off base. ETA: This couldn’t be a better case study in why Olan specifically mentioned white women. This is so true. We are so far from where we should be. I'm embarrassed and sad, and I feel helpless and a bit hopeless. 😢☹ I hate when people tell me how to feel but if it’s any consolation, of all the responses, this is the one that made me chuckle the most. Laugh to keep from crying.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 23, 2019 0:05:26 GMT
I don't participate in either thread. The dinner one because it doesn't interest me. The other thread because I don't participate in political threads. I don't feel the need to justify my politics or how woke or not I am here. Normally I wouldn't have even opened this thread, but I was on my phone and didn't know was a political thread until I started reading. Then I decided I wasn't going to read and run but give an honest answer to Olan.
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 23, 2019 0:08:08 GMT
You mean calling out white women for not doing what she also isn't doing? No. You understand, of course, that it is not the responsibility of people of color to educate white people about institutional (and other) racism. And even if they try, it generally falls upon deaf ears or protestations of "I don't see color" and other equally insipid, damaging, false excuses. It's the responsibility of white people educate themselves and to teach other white people to do better in race issues. But what are we talking about in this thread? I thought the thread was about social justice and political action and being involved.. isn't that what the original thread dedicated to Compwalla was all about? I think those things are for everyone to be aware of and involved in. Not just white women. Of course systemic racism is part of all that, and yes white people (not just white women) need to educate themselves. But... as I said, I wasn't aware that this was the only point of the original Compwalla thread.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 23, 2019 0:09:20 GMT
But in terms of making our world a better place, in a thread designed to share what we're doing, I feel it is about inspiring others. And there can't be too much of that in our current world, in my opinion. I understand, and I will certainly share all about what I do in discussion or where I feel it's appropriate. I'm just not comfortable myself sharing when someone doesn't know the big picture "me." I don't have a problem with the thread and hope it wasn't taken that way - I just personally choose not to share there. I'm all about inspiring others and sharing good ideas, and I do that a lot in real life where it's appropriate as well as on this board when I have relevant information.
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