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Post by pixiechick on Oct 4, 2021 6:54:36 GMT
For much of the unvaccinated I don't think it's that they aren't being decent human beings. How many of them already had Covid and already have immunity? The question shouldn't be 'are you vaccinated?' It should be 'do you have immunity?' Where are you getting your information? The CDC recommends the vaccine for people who have already had COVID, as we have lots of evidence of repeat cases. Right-wing media must be pushing this you’re-immune-if-you’ve-had-it narrative, because I keep seeing people make this claim on social media, regardless of how many times the people who actually know better say “get the damn vaccine.” I used the wrong word. I fixed it. I meant antibodies. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 4, 2021 6:14:25 GMT
Mandates are the only thing that is going to work on these people. Saving their own lives wasnt enough of a reason; protecting others wasnt enough of a reason; the effects of long Covid werent enough of a reason. This is a proven vaccine, in use for almost a year now, proven to be extremely effective for all groups, with the exception of the immumocompromised, who need herd immunity to protect them more fully. Im a big supporter of mandates for people who cant just be decent human beings who care about those around them. For much of the unvaccinated I don't think it's that they aren't being decent human beings. How many of them already had Covid and already have the antibodies? The question shouldn't be 'are you vaccinated?' It should be 'do you have antibodies?' |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 3, 2021 21:15:42 GMT
I'm so sorry for your pain, leftturnonly. Loving hugs to you.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 27, 2021 8:01:47 GMT
I'm so, so sorry, leftturnonly. I'm sorry for all of the losses everyone has had. All the collective grief is unbearable and to send hugs seems not enough, though it's all I can do. My deepest, most heartfelt hugs to all of you. I'm so sorry. We lost a couple of family members at the end of last year. Just weeks later I lost my dad. Then at the beginning of this year I lost my mom. It's true, the world was a better place with them in it. All such good people.  My world certainly is less bright without you in it. None from covid. I don't know anyone who has died from covid, but there's no guarantee... |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 6, 2021 1:39:41 GMT
Several folks posted on this thread with the intention of shutting it down with silly childish posts. In one post the person in question was called a troll. And in another post there was a comment made of wanting the person in question to fade away. I have a question for these individuals. Why did you feel the need to come on this thread with the intent of shutting it down because I guess you didn’t like the exchanges instead of just ignoring the exchanges and the thread? There are threads on this board that I think after reading a couple of posts “what the hell” but rather then “policing “ it with childish posts I back out of the thread and ignore it. It’s that simple. I mean if it was really mean nasty disgusting over the line stuff I might and have made a comment but otherwise it’s whatever floats your boat. So why the need to police the threads/posts YOU don’t like? Why not just ignore them? Freddie, I do so appreciate your reasoned responses here. You don't necessarily agree with me, but you're being quite reasonable and rational and I thank you for that. I've had several ideas of how to respond, at several different points after I was accused of being a troll and being mentally ill. Ideas ranging from indignant and defensive to asking for input. Eventually I just backed off and let the conversation happen and "listened". I'm not "a troll". I'm not "mentally ill". I'm a nice person, I'm not "willfully ignorant" and I don't "live for this stuff". I acknowledge I'm not always right. There are times when I DO get it wrong, but I do have opinions and some knowledge of what's happening currently just like everyone else here. I don't name call, I don't bully, and I don't harass. What I do is state my opinion or occasionally correct misinformation... IMO, it is NEVER about changing the brainwashed mind of the person posting lies/half-truths. It is ALWAYS about correcting the lies and half-truths for the bystanders who can learn and spread the truth in their spheres of influence. What it looks like from my side of the keyboard is that you only want to correct information that benefits Democrats. Information that shows when Democrats got it wrong is met with it doesn't matter because... ...well the list of excuses is long and ever changing, but that's an entire conversation all on it's own. Most of the time statements from Conservatives that disagree with the majority here are not allowed to stand and we're left with two choices... back up for your statement and get smeared for doing so even when you're respectful, or back down and let one narrative or even misinformation reign. Neither ends up being very productive for honest discussion. We're too often given a pretty clear message that you're free to say what you want, but you are wrong and when we tell you so, you need to sit down, shut up and accept that "we" have spoken the final word on it or we'll smear you. That tends to lead to either refusing to back down when you know you are right or people just not participating if they don't hold the majority opinion. Clear evidence for both of those. I tend to back off for a little while after so much and usually when I come back I always think I'll take the stance that I'm talking to my favorite and beloved Aunt. That I would never, ever speak to her with any negativity. Then with the hostility and overbearing nature of disagreement with Conservatives, that doesn't tend to stick very long. Perhaps now that I've said it "out loud", I'll be able to stick more to that idea. If you got to know me, you might like me. There are times I've had my mind changed here, having spent so much time here with a group of women all so different and from so many different places, that I've come to realize we are ALL more alike than we are different. I've come to a place where I approach my intake of what I hear from the media with an ear from all the women here. Knowing what you all would say. You should hear me yell at my TV or podcast when I know the people I'm listening to have left something crucial out in order to make their point. Yes, I do watch Fox, but not exclusively. I've caught Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo doing the same damn thing as I've caught people on Fox doing. (no, I don't watch Hannity) Neither "side" is doing what's best for the country. Those in the media are dividing the country just as much as any politician does. I never thought Trump would win. When he did, I didn't participate here at all for a few months. I figured nothing any of us on the Right had to offer was wanted here nor would it help anything. If I was a troll, I suppose I'd have been here gloating and rubbing it in your face. That's not me. At all. I've had many people respond very well to the way I say what I say here even though they disagree with me. That gets harder and harder for anyone to WANT to do the more I'm smeared simply because I didn't agree with you and backed up my statement. Sometimes even when I do agree with you some of you keep going with the smears. People tend to start believing that hype even though it doesn't hold water when you really examine it, because who has the time or desire to do that. So I hope you all take all of this in the spirit it's intended and we can have honest, productive, conversations. One of the things said to me when I responded was "We always appreciate having conservatives stop by with evidence, not anger. I mean that sincerely." I'll try to keep that in mind when I respond and do my best to hold my own self accountable in my responses. Because I'm not a troll. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 14:28:04 GMT
People are vaccine hesitant, because people like you lie, manipulate information, and downplay Covid/vaccine. That is an outright lie. I have never downplayed Covid OR the vaccine. The rest of your drivel is nothing more than you projecting your actions onto me and not worth responding to, but that one caught my eye and needed to be addressed. It's statements like the one from you quoted above that show you have long ago left good faith arguments when you outright lie about what I've said or done. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 14:05:33 GMT
Once again where is your proof that Dr. Fauci deliberately lied to the American People about wearing masks? “He KNOWS that” is proof of nothing. Doctor Fauci told the public that masks won't really work well for them, but they will work well for healthcare workers and caregivers, as if the virus knows what kind of person is wearing the mask, that's not science. It's an obvious lie. Do your own research to get the “entire story”. I have. You're alleging that I missed something, only you can inform what it is YOU think I missed. No amount of research is going to tell me what YOU think. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 9:32:45 GMT
I answered this question with an answer from a very left leaning site. I gave their synopsis of their article titled OUR RULING. That's not cherry picking or spin. Don't like their own synopsis of their own article? Take it up with them. Ok, if Nancy Pelosi was partly responsible for Jan 6, what was Mitch McConnell’s role? This is a perfect example of a double standard that you love to accuse the left of. If Nancy Pelosi is partly responsible, then so is Mitch McConnell, they have equal roles as far as security. I agree with you here. So no double standard from me. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 6:02:52 GMT
We're not comparing lies like Biden or Democrats trying to preserve the fun of a surprise party. Biden outright lies. Quit finding reasons that it's okay if you're a Democrat. That's not honest. How many lives were put at risk because Fauci lied and said wearing a mask wouldn't help any? How many people died because of that? We'll never know because he is spared the hate of the left to investigate and dissect every utterance, every breath he takes into oblivion. How many people did Whitmer and Cuomo kill by mandating infected seniors go back into nursing homes? How come no one ever holds any of them accountable for their actions during these discussions? Do you not understand damage that those series of lies trump told has done to this country? You show me a lie that President Biden, President Obama, President Bush 1&2, President Clinton, President Reagan, President Carter, President Johnson, President Kennedy told in the same caliber as the two examples of lies that trump told that I provided. As far as Dr Fauci lying about wearing masks. Where is your proof Dr Fauci purposely mislead the American People about the masks? As far as the nursing home story goes, as usual you only got part of the story right. But I have a question. If these folks are stable enough to be released from the hospital and they previously lived at the nursing home or still need some care but have no others place to go once they are released from the hospital, where should they go? Park them on a sidewalk? Anybody who defends trump does not get to talk about accountability when it comes to others being held accountable. As far as Dr Fauci lying about wearing masks. Where is your proof Dr Fauci purposely mislead the American People about the masks? He said that people didn't need them because it wouldn't really help. That we should leave them for medical staff and caregivers. THAT'S not how science works. He KNOWS that. As far as the nursing home story goes, as usual you only got part of the story right. What did I get wrong? As far as the nursing home... If these folks are stable enough to be released from the hospital and they previously lived at the nursing home or still need some care but have no others place to go once they are released from the hospital, where should they go? Park them on a sidewalk? Trump brought in an entire medical ship specifically for covid patients that they could have gone into. Instead Cuomo caused how many unnecessary deaths? Anybody who defends trump does not get to talk about accountability when it comes to others being held accountable. I've corrected misinformation tossed around here and also trashed Trump when I felt it was warranted. That aside, I get to talk about anything I damn well please. Seriously, the "but Trump" excuse doesn't ever excuse the Democrats when they do wrong, like you think it does. It just makes you look foolish and dishonest. When they do wrong they get to be held accountable just like anyone else. They're not above being held accountable. The constant excuses for Democrats here discredits your arguments to almost meaningless. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 5:59:20 GMT
I answered this question with an answer from a very left leaning site. I gave their synopsis of their article titled OUR RULING. That's not cherry picking or spin. Don't like their own synopsis of their own article? Take it up with them. How is nonpartisan Politifact left-leaning? Are you confusing it with Politico? (Which is also more center-left, not *very* left-leaning, but whatever.) Okay, I could leave out the word very, but that's kind of nitpicky, but whatever.  No I'm not confusing it. Here and here is where I check on that kind of thing. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 5:58:00 GMT
Well, of course. These people get to have their own facts and definitions without reference to truth. I didn't get further than social emotional learning somehow being CRT. You know, SEL, which we incorporate into lessons now because parents send their kids to school with a "me first" attitude and no notion that they can or should manage their emotional responses at an age appropriate level. Just like their vaunted leader. Well, of course. These people get to have their own facts and definitions without reference to truth. Which people exactly? Here's just a few times when "those OTHER people get to have their own facts and definitions without reference to truth". "It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is." Loretta Lynch "don't call Hillary's investigation and 'investigation' use the word 'matter' instead" court packing infrastructure "crisis" at the border is corrected to "challenge" Kids at the border facilities under Obama, those same structures became "kids in cages" when Trump took office, and miraculously those same structures became facilities once again, when Biden took office. "Sexual preference" a term which has been used by everyone for a very long time (including the people that admonished her for it), suddenly became a homophobic slur the second Amy Coney Barrett says it in response to a question about legal protections for LGBT during her confirmation. Right after she used the term, Merriam-Webster updated its definition of “preference” to include that it may be “offensive.” |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 2:44:08 GMT
Sorry, no. That is a direct quote and title from the left of center Politifact. No spin from me at all. Cherry picking is spin. Here is the full complete article. And again, if Pelosi is responsible, why are the Republicans not pointing fingers at McConnell who had the same role of security on Jan 6? Your post also conveniently left out this important point - the House Sergeant at arms was initially appointed by a Republican. www.factcheck.org/2021/07/republicans-shaky-no-evidence-attempt-to-cast-blame-on-pelosi-for-jan-6/As we have said, Pelosi has indirect authority over the Capitol Police Board that oversees security of the Capitol. She appoints one of three members, the House sergeant at arms, a man who was initially appointed by a Republican and who was unanimously approved by the House for nearly a decade. And holding Pelosi to that standard of accountability, McConnell would then be as culpable as Pelosi, but Republicans have made no mention of that.www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/25/facebook-posts/no-capitol-security-not-only-pelosis-responsibilit/More than six weeks after supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol, posts spread on Facebook claiming that one person was to blame: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. One widely shared post claimed in all capital letters: "ONLY ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL ON 6 JANUARY — ‘NANCY PELOSI’ — SECURITY AT THE CAPITOL IS HER JOB!!!" The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.) The post echoes the sentiment in a Feb. 15 letter to Pelosi from four top GOP House members. It suggested the California Democrat was at least partly at fault, asserting that "the Speaker is responsible for all operational decisions made within the House." The post is wrong: Security at the 1.5 million-square-foot U.S. Capitol building does not fall solely to the speaker. Though Pelosi does have a role in the hierarchy overseeing security, there is no indication she controls its day-to-day operations.Responsibility for Capitol security shared Capitol security is provided by the sergeants-at-arms , who are the chief law enforcement officers for the House and Senate, in coordination with the Capitol Police, a federal law enforcement agency. The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the speaker of the House, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader; in the days leading up to and including Jan. 6, that was Kentucky Republican Mitch McConnell. Security of the Capitol Complex is the direct responsibility of the four-member Capitol Police Board, which includes both sergeants-at-arms, said Jane Campbell, president and CEO of the United States Capitol Historical Society. The Jan. 6 attack On Jan. 6, a joint session of Congress was held in the House chamber to officially count the electoral votes from the 2020 presidential election. The proceedings were interrupted by a mob protesting the election results that showed Joe Biden winning over then-President Donald Trump. The attack left five people dead, including a Capitol Police officer, whose death the following day is still under investigation. Former House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving resigned after the attack, as did former Senate sergeant-at-arms Michael Stenger and Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund. Irving told Sund ahead of the riot that he did not want National Guard troops at the Capitol on Jan. 6 because of bad "optics," the Washington Post and the New York Times reported. In Feb. 23 testimony before lawmakers, Irving said that "optics" did not play a role in his decision. He said he, Stenger and Sund agreed the intelligence they received didn't warrant the troops. The Times reported that at 1:09 p.m. on the day of the attack, minutes after protesters had burst through the barricades and began using the steel debris to assault the officers, Sund asked Irving for help from the National Guard. Irving called Sund back an hour later and said congressional leaders had approved the request; the article does not identify the leaders. But another hour passed before Defense Secretary Christopher Miller gave final approval to the request. In his testimony, Irving said he didn’t recall receiving a call from Sund until shortly before 2 p.m. Sund testified that the call was made shortly after 1 p.m. The delay in deploying the National Guard was caused by communication breakdowns, inaction and confusion over who had authority to call for the National Guard, the Times analysis found. Pelosi called for an independent 9/11-type commission to review and investigate the Capitol attack. She also tapped retired Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré to investigate security failures that day. McConnell has blasted Pelosi’s proposal as "partisan by design." Our ruling A widely shared Facebook post claimed that only Pelosi is "responsible for what happened at the Capitol" on Jan. 6, "security at the Capitol is her job." Responsibility for Capitol security is shared, it is not solely the responsibility of the Speaker. Security is provided by the sergeant-at-arms of the House, the sergeant-at-arms of the Senate and the Capitol Police. The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, Pelosi. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader, then McConnell. The Capitol Police is overseen by a four-member board that includes both sergeants-at-arms. News reports indicate that before the attack, the House sergeant-at-arms resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of "optics," but he said intelligence reports didn’t warrant the extra security. The chain of command for Capitol security does include Pelosi, but it does not fall solely to her as this post claims. Others in the chain of command include the Senate majority leader and the Capitol police chief. We rate the claim Mostly False. I answered this question with an answer from a very left leaning site. How on earth they are blaming Pelosi for this? I gave their synopsis of their article titled OUR RULING. That's not cherry picking or spin. Don't like their own synopsis of their own article? Take it up with them. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 2:31:01 GMT
You left this off your quote. "But local officials and shelter operators said they feared that the actual number of infections could be much higher." It came directly after your quote. It was the very next line. I don't THINK you cherry picked one single quote to dismiss the rest of the article, I KNOW. You not only cherry picked it, you left off a very important end to that particular quote. Why? Because it wouldn't help you dismiss the article if you included it. Some pretty important points that you just dismissed: "Mr. Rivero, 45, came down with the coronavirus and spent the next two weeks isolated, along with his still-healthy wife, at a hotel with about 200 other migrants who had tested positive for the virus or had been exposed to someone who did. “I was healthy until I got locked up,” he said.As the United States vaccinates larger numbers of people and several states begin to reopen after seeing lower infection rates, the failure of U.S. authorities to test adult migrants for the coronavirus in jam-packed border processing centers is creating a potential for new transmissions, public health officials and shelter operators warn, even among migrants who may have arrived healthy at America’s door."More than 170,000 migrants crossed the border in March — many coming from countries still grappling with high infection rates — but the Border Patrol is conducting no testing for the coronavirus during the several days that the newly arrived migrants are in U.S. custody except in cases where migrants show obvious symptoms.""In California’s Imperial Valley, where the Cuban couple was apprehended, 15 percent of the migrants released by the Border Patrol into the community between April 7 and April 13 tested positive for the virus — three times higher than the official average, according to the California Department of Social Services." And the operator of several large shelters where migrant children go after their release from border processing said one out of five children at those facilities was showing a positive test result on arrival.In theory, those who test positive could have infected other people before arriving here,” said Diego Piña Lopez, the program manager at Casa Alitas, a respite center for migrant families in Tucson, Ariz. Staff members there have been performing rapid coronavirus tests on dozens of migrant families each day after their release by the Border Patrol. Migrants who have a positive result are transferred to a shelter operated by the city. Others spend a night or two at the respite center and then board planes or buses to their destinations around the United States. Some of them could well have infections contracted in Border Patrol facilities that did not register on tests during the brief time they spent at the respite center, immigrant advocates warned, and could unknowingly expose others as they travel to join friends and family elsewhere in the country. People who were on the bus or in the cell with people who tested positive are going to test positive,” said Mark Lane, who runs a small humanitarian organization in San Diego, the Minority Humanitarian Foundation. “Uber drivers, taxi drivers and people like us, people who are not fully vaccinated, are getting exposed. Today I took two guys who were released and put them in a T.S.A. line with 500 people on it.”"The mayor in Yuma, Ariz., Douglas J. Nicholls, said that before the local medical center took over testing, migrants were being dropped off by the immigration agents at the side of a road or in parking lots — with no testing for the coronavirus.“It’s completely crazy,” Mr. Nicholls said. “ It’s not the way we should be handling things during a pandemic.” Last week, the Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, filed a lawsuit alleging that the federal government was “encouraging the spread of Covid-19 at the border” by keeping potentially infected migrants housed closely together in government custody.
Mr. Paxton said in a statement that President Biden was demonstrating “outright disregard of the public health crisis” by “welcoming and encouraging mass gatherings” of migrants in border facilities."" Migrants themselves are expressing worry about spending so much time in close quarters after being apprehended by U.S. authorities. Jemerson Kener, a Brazilian who crossed the California border last month, tested positive for the coronavirus after spending four days at a crowded Border Patrol station.
“In a pavilion meant for about 20, there must have been 100 men,” he said.""Cindy Mendez, a Honduran girl who crossed the border in February to join her mother in the United States, said she tested positive for the coronavirus after being housed for two weeks in a processing center in Donna, Texas, that in March was operating at more than 700 percent of the capacity it was designed for.
“We were sleeping on the ground on top of each other,” she said.""Department of Homeland Security officials stressed that there were no facilities for testing efforts at Border Patrol processing stations, particularly for children, who have to be separated by gender and age. Children are now traveling to shelters in separate buses depending on their Covid-19 status, an improvement from past months. The agency’s focus has been on moving migrants out of custody faster, which is key to lowering their exposure, and the strategy has been successful: Data released on Tuesday showed that the number of unaccompanied minors in custody had dropped 80 percent in the past month. But even tracking those migrants who have the coronavirus can be tough.Andrea Rudnik, whose nonprofit organization, Team Brownsville, provides aid to a hotel for coronavirus isolation in Brownsville, Texas, said many migrants who tested positive had disappeared before their mandatory separation period was up.
“They want to leave,” she said, “and if they realize, ‘Hey, I can just take a taxi from this hotel back to the bus station and get out of there,’ then they’ll do it."
Your one single cherry-picked quote does nothing to dismiss all of that. It is VERY clear YOU did not read the article or you would not have attempted to dismiss it. You did nothing but scan the article for something you could pull out to dismiss the article.
YOU did not read the article or you would have known that one quote doesn't dismiss the whole article.
You're projecting. It IS interesting to watch you struggle with truth and reality. In other words, you made up that statistic simply to push your opinion. Nope. Not at all, poor, sad, delusional Gia. I’m not the one posting lies and propaganda here like you are. I stated upthread that the FACT I pulled from the article YOU posted, busted your attempt to paint immigrants as mass spreaders of the virus. Context always escapes you. In fact, you even made the link “title” different from the article making it appear that the article itself was painting immigrants as mass spreaders. Liar much? What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. I even stated, in that same post that the article mentions that they don’t know if immigrants brought it or that they contracted it upon arrival—the authorities cannot pin point it, so how can we or you? Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Simply playing by the rules like you post here. It’s crystal clear that you are continually posting false info, twisting or leaving out context, purposely posting out right lies. Your the one projecting sweetheart, not I. Nice try but epic failure on your part. I’ve actually posted factual, truthful information rebutting and shutting down your lies and disinformation. Wish I didn’t have to, but people like you are dangerous to society by posting the lies and disinformation. You’re the “trump” of pea land—just cannot tell the truth. Not once did I negate or argue anything else the article mentioned. Yes, you absofuckinglutely did. In response to MollyCoddle's post that someone who's mad and confused by the disparity in Biden's words vs. his action is not "acting like spoiled toddlers" and showed why. I said "No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country." And I linked the article to back up my statement. You cherry picked one single quote in that entire long article that you attempted to use to argue and negate "releasing infected immigrants into the country."What you lead with in posting just a title to the article was disingenuous, and you knew it. You got caught manipulating once again. Nope that's an outright lie. I posted a LINK to the article, not just the title. The entire point of this thread is why are people vaccine hesitant. I give a viewpoint, back it up (with the New York Times, I might add) and you don't like it. That's a YOU problem, not my problem. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 1:43:52 GMT
We're not comparing lies like Biden or Democrats trying to preserve the fun of a surprise party. Biden outright lies. Quit finding reasons that it's okay if you're a Democrat. That's not honest. How many lives were put at risk because Fauci lied and said wearing a mask wouldn't help any? How many people died because of that? We'll never know because he is spared the hate of the left to investigate and dissect every utterance, every breath he takes into oblivion. How many people did Whitmer and Cuomo kill by mandating infected seniors go back into nursing homes? How come no one ever holds any of them accountable for their actions during these discussions? Oh honey, bless your heart <pats hand>. Let’s go over how science works…again. Fauci didn’t “lie”. Fauci went with the best scientific knowledge at the time. When the knowledge changed, Fauci changed his statements to update that. Science is fluid, not frozen in time. Science represents the best knowledge at any given moment. We no longer view the body in terms of the four humours, nor do we treat syphillis with mercury. Scientific knowledge evolves. In addition, Covid is so new that new knowledge is evolving all the time. Instead of persisting in your right-wing-sourced media beliefs, perhaps consider how amazing it is the amount of knowledge has developed in such a short time. Cuomo is a big disappointment for sure, but the state of NY has chosen not to pursue any of the issues with nursing homes. So there’s nothing really to be done except create new policies. Knock yourself out if that’s an enterprise you’d like to pursue. Oh honey, bless your heart <pats hand>. Let’s go over how science works…again. He said that people didn't need them because it wouldn't really help. That we should leave them for medical staff and caregivers. THAT'S not how science works. If masks protect health care providers, masks protect people in general. If masks DON'T protect people in general, masks WON'T protect health care workers. You can NOT have it both ways. THAT'S not science. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 1:21:19 GMT
Just because you think I cherry picked a very good, important point made in the article, THAT WAS FACTUAL and it doesn’t support what you were trying to stretch the truth about, does not negate it sweetheart. You left this off your quote. "But local officials and shelter operators said they feared that the actual number of infections could be much higher." It came directly after your quote. It was the very next line. I don't THINK you cherry picked one single quote to dismiss the rest of the article, I KNOW. You not only cherry picked it, you left off a very important end to that particular quote. Why? Because it wouldn't help you dismiss the article if you included it. Some pretty important points that you just dismissed: "Mr. Rivero, 45, came down with the coronavirus and spent the next two weeks isolated, along with his still-healthy wife, at a hotel with about 200 other migrants who had tested positive for the virus or had been exposed to someone who did. “I was healthy until I got locked up,” he said.As the United States vaccinates larger numbers of people and several states begin to reopen after seeing lower infection rates, the failure of U.S. authorities to test adult migrants for the coronavirus in jam-packed border processing centers is creating a potential for new transmissions, public health officials and shelter operators warn, even among migrants who may have arrived healthy at America’s door."More than 170,000 migrants crossed the border in March — many coming from countries still grappling with high infection rates — but the Border Patrol is conducting no testing for the coronavirus during the several days that the newly arrived migrants are in U.S. custody except in cases where migrants show obvious symptoms.""In California’s Imperial Valley, where the Cuban couple was apprehended, 15 percent of the migrants released by the Border Patrol into the community between April 7 and April 13 tested positive for the virus — three times higher than the official average, according to the California Department of Social Services." And the operator of several large shelters where migrant children go after their release from border processing said one out of five children at those facilities was showing a positive test result on arrival.In theory, those who test positive could have infected other people before arriving here,” said Diego Piña Lopez, the program manager at Casa Alitas, a respite center for migrant families in Tucson, Ariz. Staff members there have been performing rapid coronavirus tests on dozens of migrant families each day after their release by the Border Patrol. Migrants who have a positive result are transferred to a shelter operated by the city. Others spend a night or two at the respite center and then board planes or buses to their destinations around the United States. Some of them could well have infections contracted in Border Patrol facilities that did not register on tests during the brief time they spent at the respite center, immigrant advocates warned, and could unknowingly expose others as they travel to join friends and family elsewhere in the country. People who were on the bus or in the cell with people who tested positive are going to test positive,” said Mark Lane, who runs a small humanitarian organization in San Diego, the Minority Humanitarian Foundation. “Uber drivers, taxi drivers and people like us, people who are not fully vaccinated, are getting exposed. Today I took two guys who were released and put them in a T.S.A. line with 500 people on it.”"The mayor in Yuma, Ariz., Douglas J. Nicholls, said that before the local medical center took over testing, migrants were being dropped off by the immigration agents at the side of a road or in parking lots — with no testing for the coronavirus.“It’s completely crazy,” Mr. Nicholls said. “ It’s not the way we should be handling things during a pandemic.” Last week, the Texas attorney general, Ken Paxton, filed a lawsuit alleging that the federal government was “encouraging the spread of Covid-19 at the border” by keeping potentially infected migrants housed closely together in government custody.
Mr. Paxton said in a statement that President Biden was demonstrating “outright disregard of the public health crisis” by “welcoming and encouraging mass gatherings” of migrants in border facilities."" Migrants themselves are expressing worry about spending so much time in close quarters after being apprehended by U.S. authorities. Jemerson Kener, a Brazilian who crossed the California border last month, tested positive for the coronavirus after spending four days at a crowded Border Patrol station.
“In a pavilion meant for about 20, there must have been 100 men,” he said.""Cindy Mendez, a Honduran girl who crossed the border in February to join her mother in the United States, said she tested positive for the coronavirus after being housed for two weeks in a processing center in Donna, Texas, that in March was operating at more than 700 percent of the capacity it was designed for.
“We were sleeping on the ground on top of each other,” she said.""Department of Homeland Security officials stressed that there were no facilities for testing efforts at Border Patrol processing stations, particularly for children, who have to be separated by gender and age. Children are now traveling to shelters in separate buses depending on their Covid-19 status, an improvement from past months. The agency’s focus has been on moving migrants out of custody faster, which is key to lowering their exposure, and the strategy has been successful: Data released on Tuesday showed that the number of unaccompanied minors in custody had dropped 80 percent in the past month. But even tracking those migrants who have the coronavirus can be tough.Andrea Rudnik, whose nonprofit organization, Team Brownsville, provides aid to a hotel for coronavirus isolation in Brownsville, Texas, said many migrants who tested positive had disappeared before their mandatory separation period was up.
“They want to leave,” she said, “and if they realize, ‘Hey, I can just take a taxi from this hotel back to the bus station and get out of there,’ then they’ll do it."
Your one single cherry-picked quote does nothing to dismiss all of that. It is VERY clear YOU did not read the article or you would not have attempted to dismiss it. You did nothing but scan the article for something you could pull out to dismiss the article.
YOU did not read the article or you would have known that one quote doesn't dismiss the whole article.
It’s so funny watching you grasp and struggle with truth and reality. You're projecting. It IS interesting to watch you struggle with truth and reality. And for the DeSantis point—go to any reliable news source. You’ll find it there. In other words, you made up that statistic simply to push your opinion. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 0:34:56 GMT
Because it's not honest discussion otherwise. I addressed a specific lie. YOUR side can't insist the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. Problem with your analogy is saying all lies are the same when they aren’t. Politicians lie, President Obama admitted as much. But there are lies and then there are lies. There different types of lies. Actually there are 7 types of lies. I looked it up. In order to do a true comparison one has to compare the same type of lies. trump is a pathological liar. He lies about everything. But as president he lied about two subjects that put people’s lives at risk and the country’s democracy at risk. From CLC… link” Compiling the Truth: A Resource to Refute Trump’s “Stolen Election” Lies”& From The Atlantic… link” All the President’s Lies About the Coronavirus”
I mean not even Nixon lied this bad. Now you find lies of this caliber that a Democrat has told then you can do a true comparison. Because until you do, your constant attempt to compare trump to President Biden and VP Harris looks kind of silly. We're not comparing lies like Biden or Democrats trying to preserve the fun of a surprise party. Biden outright lies. Quit finding reasons that it's okay if you're a Democrat. That's not honest. How many lives were put at risk because Fauci lied and said wearing a mask wouldn't help any? How many people died because of that? We'll never know because he is spared the hate of the left to investigate and dissect every utterance, every breath he takes into oblivion. How many people did Whitmer and Cuomo kill by mandating infected seniors go back into nursing homes? How come no one ever holds any of them accountable for their actions during these discussions? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2021 0:14:13 GMT
And pixiechick, not surprisingly posted her spin on it. Sorry, no. That is a direct quote and title from the left of center Politifact. No spin from me at all. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2021 5:15:28 GMT
This was a disgusting event by a bunch of dumbass thugs who lost their minds. If they ever even had one to begin with. It was completely wrong and NEVER should have happened. How on earth they are blaming Pelosi for this? Is it Fox News finding a villain because one of their own cannot be the villain. No it was not cooked up by Fox News Link for the information only -not in any way, to defend this awful mess... From Politifact: No, Capitol security is not only Pelosi’s responsibility, but she bears some
"Responsibility for Capitol security is shared, it is not solely the responsibility of the Speaker. Security is provided by the sergeant-at-arms of the House, the sergeant-at-arms of the Senate and the Capitol Police. The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, Pelosi. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader, then McConnell. The Capitol Police is overseen by a four-member board that includes both sergeants-at-arms. News reports indicate that before the attack, the House sergeant-at-arms resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of "optics," but he said intelligence reports didn’t warrant the extra security. The chain of command for Capitol security does include Pelosi, but it does not fall solely to her... Others in the chain of command include the Senate majority leader and the Capitol police chief." |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2021 3:39:09 GMT
Anyone can go back and read the many political threads on this board and see some of the reasons why vaccine hold-outs continue to hold-out. I don't believe it is fully the Blue's fault. There is an element of trust since the beginning, before COVID was classified as a pandemic, where many people could see the bad data going in causing bad data being used to make decisions for public policy which in turn eroded a lot of public trust. Another quote from The Atlantic article.... It all boils down to a lack of trust and a respect for differences - which Blue's come across as having zero interest in building toward their Red neighbors. I’m SO tired of the “Those mean ole Liberals made me do it” *excuse* That’s just a huge bullshit “excuse” that doesn’t hold water in my opinion. It is even more stupid than the ‘mean ole Liberal *made* me vote for Trump even though I don’t like him that went around at election time. That is the most Juvenile ‘excuse’ I’ve heard. Grow the hell up and leave middle school and think for yourself and make your own decisions WITHOUT blaming your decision on anyone else. It’s bullshit to assign ‘sides’ in the USA to vaccines that have been widely accepted in many countries around the world to begin with. Do they think the UK or the EU approved vaccines simply to further either sides agenda into US politics? Really? The vaccine was developed & approved during one administration and distributed during the other. The vaccine does not have a side in US politics. I’m SO tired of the “Those mean ole Liberals made me do it” *excuse* That’s just a huge bullshit “excuse” that doesn’t hold water in my opinion. As is the "but Trump" excuse for any time the Democrats do wrong. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2021 3:16:32 GMT
I'm so sorry. Only good and kind thoughts for your husband, you and your family.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2021 2:51:40 GMT
Because it's not honest discussion otherwise. I addressed a specific lie. YOUR side can't insist the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. The TRUTH is, Trump discouraged his followers from taking the virus seriously, even without saying the words “COVID is a hoax.” And by and large, they believed him. Yeah, Trump lies, he's inarticulate, contradicts himself, says dumb things out loud and tries way too hard to overcome his insecurities and the untrue shots taken at him that it only ends up feeding into them. But none of that changes my answer to your question oh, that reminds me, I meant to add … HOW IN THE F#@%& do you justify harping on Democratic “lies” (let’s just call them stretches cuz that’s what they were) while you will go to your death defending the former guy and his tens of thousands of documented LIES? pixiechickBecause it's not honest discussion otherwise. I addressed a specific lie in this thread. YOUR side can't insist that the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. The more lies you accept, tell and demand they be left to stand, the farther the discussion gets from the actual truth. What “facts” specifically? This one? (from what you posted article…) “There have been no instances of mass spread at U.S. border facilities, and overall numbers of cases are relatively low, according to the Department of Homeland Security. About 5 percent of all single adults and families tested after their release since March showed a positive result, according to the agency, while among the thousands of unaccompanied minors now in custody, the rate has been about 12 percent.” So common sense would tell you that the Biden administration really isn’t releasing all these “rabidly infected immigrants” into the wild as your type lies and stretches the truth about. If they are not tested upon arrival, then there is no evidence that they brought it with them, right? For all we know, they could have gotten it while held, AFTER they’ve already been here. If they are not tested upon arrival, then there is no evidence that they brought it with them, right? For all we know, they could have gotten it while held, AFTER they’ve already been here. Your last sentence makes it clear you didn't read the article. You only scanned for something you could pick out of the article in order to dismiss the rest of the article where they talk about how it spreads and the problem it presents. On the same subject, Ron DeSantis is responsible for 100x more spread of the virus than immigrants who are released. Link for your source on that? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 23:34:42 GMT
OK pixiechick . Instead of focusing on the word "hoax", how about you respond to the many well-sourced posts with EVIDENCE that TFG DOWNPLAYED Covid for MONTHS?. Anything to say there? Or are you going to keep harping on Biden and Harris (who YOU brought up, nice strawman, btw) oh, that reminds me, I meant to add … HOW IN THE F#@%& do you justify harping on Democratic “lies” (let’s just call them stretches cuz that’s what they were) while you will go to your death defending the former guy and his tens of thousands of documented LIES? pixiechick Because it's not honest discussion otherwise. I addressed a specific lie. YOUR side can't insist the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 23:30:26 GMT
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Was this a favorite episode? I left only the facts from the NY Times. Care to comment on the facts? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 23:24:04 GMT
Right from the article she posted.... It was NOT a myth!!! According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "the daily number of calls to poison centers increased sharply at the beginning of March 2020 for exposures to both cleaners and disinfectants." Bleach "accounted for the largest percentage of the increase (1,949; 62.1%), whereas nonalcohol disinfectants (1,684; 36.7%) and hand sanitizers (1,684; 36.7%) accounted for the largest percentages of the increase among disinfectant categories. Inhalation represented the largest percentage increase from 2019 to 2020 among all exposure routes, with an increase of 35.3% (from 4,713 to 6,379) for all cleaners and an increase of 108.8% (from 569 to 1,188) for all disinfectants." No shit. A point also from the article... Imagine an entire planet disinfecting every surface and object brought into your house, and NOT seeing a sharp increase in exposure to cleaners and disinfectants. Right from the article she posted.... It was NOT a myth!!! FFS the title of the article is "The Myth of the Bleach-Drinking Masses". You are NOT proving otherwise. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 23:06:44 GMT
And now these recent outbreaks are…somebody else’s fault. Anyone want to guess who? Of course, this claim is from Fox’s noted bigmouth and box wine connoisseur, but still. They are acting like indignant toddlers who have been served broccoli for dinner. No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country. She's not buying the discrepancy between Biden's words and his actions. You had to leave out the context of her message in order make your ridiculous claim. I thought context matters? Only when it suits your narrative, I guess. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 22:38:03 GMT
I think if TFG had not gone so far in pushing it as a hoax we might have seen more sense...
...means admitting that maybe TFG - was lying to them. "Politifact: THE FACTS: The accusation and the selective video editing are misleading. But it is incorrect for Biden to suggest, as the video does, that Trump insisted the virus was a hoax We called her (Kamala) statement false, pointing to our rating of a similar statement from Joe Biden in March. Trump is saying Democratic criticism of him is a hoax, not that the coronavirus doesn’t exist or wasn’t real. We’ve been unable to find other comments of Trump suggesting that. When asked about his comments the next day, Trump specifically said he was talking about Democrats’ reaction: "Hoax, referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job," Trump said. Other fact-checkers have agreed with our reading of Trump’s comments. Here’s what they have to say. Factcheck.org: "Trump did use the word ‘hoax’ but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself." The Washington Post Fact Checker: "The context of the full quote shows Trump criticized Democratic talking points and media’s coverage of his response to the coronavirus, but does not call the virus itself a hoax." Snopes: "Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus a hoax." AP Fact Check: "The accusation is misleading. So is the selective video editing that made it appear Trump was calling the coronavirus a ‘new hoax.’" link link So you want to be able to repeat the lies that Kamala and Joe told you without being challenged. If challenged, you move the goal posts. You want to be able to say Trump lies, but dismiss it when Kamala and Joe lie to you by twisting logic and changing the parameters of the original claim. Got it. but everything he did say, and his own actions, absolutely downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic From Politifact: "He continued: “Certainly not referring to this. How could anybody refer to this? This is very serious stuff.” Trump privately calling the virus a “killer” comes from new book “Rage” contains Trump’s acknowledgment that he was playing down the virus threat in public, so as to avoid panic. Trump on several occasions before that did refer publicly to the virus as a “plague” and a “killer” " oh for shit's sake. It doesn't matter if he didn't use the word hoax. Of course it matters. The more lies you accept and tell, the farther it gets from the truth. You also can't insist the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 19:47:36 GMT
At some point, it just doesn't matter. You don't want to get vaccinated because it's a way to "own the libs" - I don't want you to die, but if you've (LITERALLY) chosen that hill to die on, I can't really do anything to stop you. I'm only sad about the people who will be dragged along with you - the children who can't be vaccinated and may lose a parent/aunt/uncle/grandparent; the doctors and nurses who will have to go through the trauma of losing yet another patient who could have been saved; the spouses who will be left behind; the people who are immunocompromised and will be exposed to the virus through you. You - well, you made your choice. It's sad that it's become a political issue, it really is. I think if TFG had not gone so far in pushing it as a hoax we might have seen more sense from the ones who are holding on to that idea despite 600K dead bodies to prove otherwise. But they've dug their heels in and can't go back on it now because admitting that it's real and deadly means admitting that maybe TFG didn't have all the answers, or even worse - was lying to them. There are a lot of people who just don't want to hear what they don't want to hear. They aren't going to listen, and it doesn't matter how bad it gets - it won't change their minds, even if they are gasping for air in an ICU somewhere. They'll insist it's a hoax, just a flu, anything but covid. I want to know why these people even go to the hospital and use up the resources if this is the case - it's a hoax? Then go home and stop playing a crisis actor. It's the flu? Go to Walgreen's and get some Theraflu. No need to be in the hospital bed for these things. It's sad that it's become a political issue, it really is. I think if TFG had not gone so far in pushing it as a hoax we might have seen more sense from the ones who are holding on to that idea despite 600K dead bodies to prove otherwise. But they've dug their heels in and can't go back on it now because admitting that it's real and deadly means admitting that maybe TFG didn't have all the answers, or even worse - was lying to them. Well, there goes that narrative. Trump never said Covid was a Hoax. Both Kamala and Joe were lying to YOU about that. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 5:26:27 GMT
I'm so sorry. It just really sucks to lose someone you love. I'm just sorry.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 4:23:34 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 4:18:23 GMT
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