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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 2:03:29 GMT
Read it again. Agreeing with someone is not a problem you have. For Pete's sake, I even bolded and enlarged it that previous time so you couldn't miss it. on the thread about the untaxed dude - page 5 halfway down. I don't know her political affiliation but I disagreed with her about the vaccine which has been politicized. johnnysmom Jul 26, 2021 at 8:29pm johnnysmom said: Merge Jul 26, 2021 at 7:56pm Merge said: In my experience, no. A fraction of kids in public school here are unvaccinated but nothing like the numbers who are avoiding this vaxx. It’s entirely political. While I’m sure it’s partly political I think a large part is because it’s so new. I hesitated gets my oldest the chicken pox and hpv vaccines due to their newness at the time and they’d been around for a few years. My response - Respectfully, I disagree. Some people may hesitate to get covid because it’s new, but 86% of Democrats have been vaccinated compared to only 54% of Republicans. The significant difference between political parties seems to indicate that it’s mostly political. Also, I don’t think chicken pox and hpv are good comparisons because of the severity of covid. In addition, I think parents may be more hesitant when it comes to vaccinations and their kids, the decision can be more emotionally driven. When the covid vaccine becomes available to younger children, the newness might become a bigger problem. I don’t think the covid vaccine has been available for 12-15 year olds long enough for the CDC to have reliable statistics about hesitancy for that age group. Eta - Vaccine misinformation is a big obstacle for both covid and the traditional vaccines. I’m not sure about hpv or chicken pox specifically, but I do know that the false study on autism and MMR undermined a lot of parents confidence in the vaccine and continues to be a problem. Another example - we disagreed with LindaS but did not bulldoze her regarding the pipeline and jobs 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/121978/deal-on-infrastructure-planAnd with that, I am done arguing with you. You can even have the last word. I apologize for my role in derailing another thread. In both cases you told them they're wrong and you got the last word. Not at all examples of you being able to let someone come back and disagree with your assessment and backing up their statements in the process. Yeah, this whole conversation has become long and drawn out to absurdity. But i suppose that was your plan all along. Better that, than admit misinformation about Trump when it slants so beautifully against him. Right? |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 0:19:08 GMT
Sorry, no. 11 hours AFTER I asked the question, you liking a post you AGREE with does not prove your point that you wouldn't dismiss someone you. Still waiting for that proof from you. I’m not wasting time searching for it, but LindaS and I both posted on a thread a few months ago and agreed on term limits. Read it again. Agreeing with someone is not a problem you have. For Pete's sake, I even bolded and enlarged it that previous time so you couldn't miss it. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 0:16:04 GMT
Great, I've been waiting even longer for proof of your claim that people drank bleach. And for your proof that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagreed with on the other side of the aisle. Forbes 8-24-2020 ”Some Americans Are Tragically Still Drinking Bleach As A Coronavirus ‘Cure’” Thanks for the info, I'm looking more into that since I was unaware of that. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 29, 2021 0:12:18 GMT
Sorry, no. 11 hours AFTER I asked the question, you liking a post you AGREE with does not prove your point that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagree with. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. Still waiting for that proof from you. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:56:17 GMT
I was not aware of that. I'll read your link. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:55:10 GMT
I’ll give you that one. It CAN be confusing. But it would be helpful if the Republicans would stop fighting the science every step of the way.
I can agree with that while also acknowledging that much of the information and people contradicting each other and the science should stop giving them reasons to feel like they have to fight it. (this hasn't been the only time or issue, not by a long shot) |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:54:30 GMT
No, that's not a fair assessment. If you google looking for answers and you click on the CDC's FAQs it takes you to the answer and they say NO, you don't need to wear masks if you're fully vaccinated. Yes it says updated in June, but you rely on their answer and it leads you to believe that it wasn't updated because it didn't NEED to be updated. No one thinks they need to do a deep dive investigation on the CDC information to make sure their information is correct, up to date and doesn't contain contradicting info. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:50:54 GMT
Yeah, that's my point, the science says it's not necessary and the politicians say it is. We're not supposed to question the science or the people who ignore the science. That's propaganda, not science. No one is ignoring the science. The CDC is following the science. You can question the politicians all you want, but the CDC and the rules for the House are following the science. Scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are free to question the science. Still waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Could the CDC website provide more clear guidance? Yes, there’s room for improvement. The guidance changed just yesterday so I’m willing to give them a little more time to fix it before really criticizing. eta - There are plenty of other websites that do have clear guidance on the new recommendation. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/28/1021795290/cdc-mask-guidelines-indoors-vaccinated-by-county-covid-spreadStill waiting for proof of your claim that the scientists are being censored. Great, I've been waiting even longer for proof of your claim that people drank bleach. And for your proof that you wouldn't dismiss someone you vehemently disagreed with on the other side of the aisle. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 23:49:47 GMT
Yeah, that's my point, the science says it's not necessary and the politicians say it is. We're not supposed to question the science or the people who ignore the science. Because they can't tell who is or isn't vaccinated. Our country is full of liars who lie about being vaccinated so they don't have to wear a mask. They won't "force" anyone to share proof so there you have it, everyone must wear a mask. You're right, that isn't about science! It's about protecting people who need to be protected, because they aren't following the science and protecting those who can't be vaccinated for valid reasons! Yep. I agree. Just so it doesn't get blamed ONLY on Republicans...  And don't forget all of the Democrats asking people to mask up and stay home that did not follow their own advice. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 19:42:30 GMT
But that link also says masks should be worn ‘where required by federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial laws, rules, and regulations, including local business and workplace guidance. “ Which would apply to the Halls of Congress Yeah, that's my point, the science says it's not necessary and the politicians say it is. We're not supposed to question the science or the people who ignore the science. That's propaganda, not science. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 19:29:38 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 19:14:47 GMT
I agree science is always changing. It's questionable though, when no information has changed and they change the rules. The "not qualified to question the science" claim doesn't hold water when actual scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are censored and told THEY are not allowed to question the science either. Where did you get the idea that no information has changed? Have you been listening to the Fox talking heads again?  Currently THE CDC says you don't need to wear a mask if fully vaccinated and yet the Democrats want you to wear a mask even if you're fully vaccinated. I thought the CDC was "the science" not the politicians.  So they can question the science but we can't question the politicians. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 18:57:27 GMT
Science IS questioning. If you can not question the science, it's not science it's propaganda. Then you wonder why people are hesitant to trust the constant back and forth of the claims? Science is also changing. The virus itself changes and adapts. As new information and new data comes out on how quickly and how easily the delta variant spreads, we need to change how we respond to it. The new mask mandate for the House is based on science. www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-wwww.reuters.com/world/china/how-delta-variant-upends-assumptions-about-coronavirus-2021-07-26/Furthermore, McCarthy is not a scientist, epidemiologist or doctor and not qualified to question the science. I agree science is always changing. It's questionable though, when no information has changed and they change the rules. The "not qualified to question the science" claim doesn't hold water when actual scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are censored and told THEY are not allowed to question the science either. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 18:28:11 GMT
After McCarthy questioned the science on the return to a mask mandate for the House Floor, Nancy Pelosi said he’s such a moron. Science IS questioning. If you can not question the science, it's not science it's propaganda. Then you wonder why people are hesitant to trust the constant back and forth of the claims? |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 18:22:43 GMT
And there you have it. In case anyone doubted the fact that you must conform to the group narrative here... even their own sources from the Left are unacceptable if they don't parrot the narrative here. You must conform to the group, you can never defend your position, you must never bring attention to the fact that a claim they make doesn't hold up to scrutiny, you must stop talking when declared wrong, or failing any of that,, you will be declared mentally ill for not bowing down. Gee, I can't imagine why almost no one on the right ever bothers to chime in here anymore.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 16:03:11 GMT
You’re not honest at all. Also proven that over snd over. Trump DID request to look at injecting disinfectants…White House staff and researchers confirmed it. www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/04/23/trump-bleach-one-year-484399And.. Here’s the full context: "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?" "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful." Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients. "It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object." It’s not clear what part of that discussion he was characterizing as a "sarcastic question" to reporters. Pixiechick, you are lying. You’ve been shown repeatedly Kamala Harris ‘s full statement, but you keep repeating the same falsehood. She said she didn’t trust former, not the vaccine. Proven fact that you bulldoze over and ignore. Accuse others of that which you are guilty - typical Republican playbook. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts. As far as Trump’s suggestion to study the injection of bleach - he has no one to blame but himself if those words have been misunderstood or misquoted. He spouted a bunch of nonsense - almost incoherent words just strung together. He can go back after the fact and claim he was joking or being sarcastic, but it doesn’t change his words. On national TV, he suggested studying the injection of bleach. You can believe the White House spin or not - most reasonable people don’t think he was being sarcastic. www.factcheck.org/2020/04/the-white-house-spins-trumps-disinfectant-remarks/And again studying the injection of bleach vs directly injecting is irrelevant. If you study it, someone still has to be injected with it. People did try drinking bleach and Clorox even took the extreme step of warning people to not drink, ingest or inject it. I can’t believe you continue to defend his stupid, moronic, reckless, careless, dangerous idea. Pixiechick, you are lying. You’ve been shown repeatedly Kamala Harris ‘s full statement, but you keep repeating the same falsehood. She said she didn’t trust former, not the vaccine. Proven fact that you bulldoze over and ignore. bottom of first post. I'm not ignoring it, I just come to a different conclusion than you. I'm also not lying, I'm following YOUR line of logic and applying YOUR standards to both of them. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts. Same applies to you, see above. As far as Trump’s suggestion to study the injection of bleach - he has no one to blame but himself if those words have been misunderstood or misquoted. I agree. But the words ARE being misunderstood and misquoted. He spouted a bunch of nonsense - almost incoherent words just strung together. Imagine that. Imagine any other president doing such a thing. You can believe the White House spin or not - I got my info from the Left of center Politico. Not the White House. People did try drinking bleach Who? Link please. I can’t believe you continue to defend his stupid, moronic, reckless, careless, dangerous idea. Disagreeing with misinformation is not defending his stupidity. Don't conflate the two. If LindaS actually engaged instead of just liking posts or dropping bombs and not returning, I would not dismiss her. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 15:02:39 GMT
Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. Oh come ON! You have no room to talk about wanting the last word.  There's a gaping difference between defending your statements vs. being browbeaten into submission that you're wrong with pile-ons, statements that 'everyone agrees with me that you're wrong' 'no one will agree with you and anyone that does will be summarily dismissed'. Check the power balance. Hell, just read the very first page of this thread. It's filled with dismissals of opposing opinion before there are even any. Then watch what happens to the two other people that dared to have a differing viewpoint. One of them in particular had their words twisted into meaning what they did not mean in order to dismiss their viewpoints entirely. So, no. Defending my statements vs. browbeating me into conformity with the accepted narrative and group think. Two entirely different things. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 9:28:28 GMT
I acknowledged all of your points right here - twice in fact. Former’s suggestion to health officials to study the injection of bleach was stupid, reckless and dangerous. So dangerous that Clorox issued a warning.
He did claim that the numbers would somehow magically go from 15 to zero, a complete lie at the time. Even he knew it wasn’t true but all he cared about were his chances of re-election so he downplayed the seriousness of the virus.
And he wanted businesses back to fully open and packed churches on Easter.Telling officials to study injecting bleach vs telling people to inject bleach is irrelevant. Both are stupid, dangerous, reckless ideas. And the main point that you continue to ignore or disregard - Trump undermined confidence in the vaccine and is directly responsible for many of his supporters refusing the vaccine. If you want to talk facts, let’s talk about how you keep falsely claiming VP Harris said she didn’t trust the vaccine. The exact quote has been posted several times, but you keep ignoring it and repeating the falsehood. Biden & Harris distrusted former, not the vaccine. For someone who likes to scrutinize minute details, you ironically (and conveniently) overlook this major, significant detail. www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/If LindaS actually engaged instead of just liking posts or dropping bombs and not returning, I would not dismiss her. As far as why no one else agrees with you, we will have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, no one agrees with you because former is indefensible after he incited an insurrection, ignored and badly mishandled a pandemic and told more than 20,000 lies, the most dangerous one about the non existent election fraud. If LindaS actually engaged instead of just liking posts or dropping bombs and not returning, I would not dismiss her. Of course you would. Show one single post of yours disagreeing with a Trump supporter or even just someone on the other side of the aisle, that you didn't bulldoze over until they just gave up. Or that you didn't get the last word in about them being wrong and consider it settled when actually they just know it's futile to stand by their statement because it would end up like this. Just one. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 3:51:32 GMT
That IS amazing. I show you where Politico showed for a fact he never said to drink or inject bleach. (those seem to be the ever interchangeable FALSE accusations) I show you in video his own words that he also didn't say it would be over by Easter. In fact he said the words "it's going to go on a long time." And you brain tells you that I'M the one twisting his words? Seriously, do some HONEST self reflection. And not just you. All the people that liked your post. There IS a reason why you essentially only have people on one side of the aisle talking here anymore. You’re losing the bigger picture and missing the main point (maybe deliberately because there is no defense) with all of this scrutinizing of the details. I acknowledged all of your objections. Former’s suggestion to health officials to study the injection of bleach was stupid, reckless and dangerous. So dangerous that Clorox issued a warning. He did claim that the numbers would somehow magically go from 15 to zero, a complete lie at the time. Even he knew it wasn’t true but all he cared about were his chances of re-election so he downplayed the seriousness of the virus. And he wanted businesses back to fully open and packed churches on Easter. You can argue semantics all you want. Bottom line, he had stupid, reckless, dangerous ideas. He downplayed the seriousness of the virus, undermined science and undermined health experts, epidemiologists and doctors. The point that all of us are making, one that you refuse to acknowledge, is that Trump undermined confidence in the vaccine and is directly responsible for many of his supporters refusing the vaccine. If you had a balance scale with former one one side and VP Harris/ President Biden on the other, former’s side would be on the floor. All of Trump’s actions and words regarding covid undermined the vaccine. You can claim the left is twisting words all you want, accuse them of false accusations etc but the bottom line is that you are cherry picking, ignoring facts and details that don’t fit your narrative, making false premises, false comparisons, false equivalencies and gaslighting. The fact that no one has agreed with you (with the possible exception of LindaS who almost never has anything to actually contribute to political discussions) in terms of your claim that VP Harris undermined confidence in the vaccine is an indication that you’re flat out wrong. I acknowledged all of your objections. Where? You can argue semantics all you want. He did not say to drink bleach. That isn't semantics, it's a fact. The Left leaning Politico has stated that and has shown how and why it is not true. He did not say the virus will be over by Easter. It isn't semantics, it's a fact. Ask yourself why you won't just let that stand? Don't defend it, actually ask of yourself why you won't. Not Donald Trump. YOU. You know damn well if I had a fact wrong, you'd be all over it. That's indisputable anymore. The fact that no one has agreed with you (with the possible exception of LindaS who almost never has anything to actually contribute to political discussions) in terms of your claim that VP Harris undermined confidence in the vaccine is an indication that you’re flat out wrong. Your very statement here shows otherwise. The reason no one who might agree with anything I'm saying will say so is because they can see what it takes to even discuss facts. Even the one person who dared have any agreement with me is dismissed as meaningless. Who the hell wants to bother? The ONLY indication of why no one that may agree with me will say so, is this:
You dismiss anything but outright lockstep obedience in the accepted narrative. ORANGE MAN BAD. Or any version thereof. That's all you will allow to be said without bulldozing over it. If you can't even discuss proven facts without being bulldozed for saying them there is nothing worth saying to you. It's no longer an honest discussion. Stop trying to bulldoze over opposing view points and look at your OWN actions. Take a moment for your own HONEST self reflection. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 28, 2021 1:41:20 GMT
You are amazing pixiechick . You can take what people see and hear with their own eyes and ears and try to twist into something else. It's fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics you are willing to play with yourself. I watched all those press conferences. I read his words on Twitter. I see what his supporters are posting. You all need your heads examined because you're not dealing in reality. And that's as nice as I can be. That IS amazing. I show you where Politico showed for a fact he never said to drink or inject bleach. (those seem to be the ever interchangeable FALSE accusations) I show you in video his own words that he also didn't say it would be over by Easter. In fact he said the words "it's going to go on a long time." And you brain tells you that I'M the one twisting his words? Seriously, do some HONEST self reflection. And not just you. All the people that liked your post. There IS a reason why you essentially only have people on one side of the aisle talking here anymore. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 27, 2021 6:30:46 GMT
Just to refresh your memory you said thisI asked for the link where he said that and you quoted him saying WHY PEOPLE ARE VACCINE HESITANT. You tried to twist that into meaning don't take it. No where in his words were the words I won't take it, or don't take it. As a matter of fact he has said to take it. KAMALA ACTUALLY SAID THE WORDS "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if..."
I understand there was other context, I understand it and can even agree with it. IF you apply the same standard for both. I've been saying, and you and ajhall keep ignoring it, you can NOT honestly spin Trump's words to mean something entirely different than what the words mean and then give excuses for Kamala who actually said the words "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if...". That's not dealing in reality, that's pushing dishonest spin. What you are pushing is your opinion. Opinions are subjective and not everyone is going to agree with the general you’s opinions. Some people have a hard time accepting that folks are not going to agree with the way they see things. And when is a good time to walk away. I like voicing my opinion but I also accept there will be those that agree, those that disagree and those that are silent on my opinions. To me the silent ones are saying “there she goes again”. But in my opinion you are one of the ones that has a hard time accepting people not agreeing with your opinion no matter how you voice/write it. I say this based on the first sentence in this post. I took that sentence out of your post about wokeness. You’ve use a version of that theme in a lot of your posts when you don’t see things going your way. But it’s just simply people not agreeing with you. There is no sinister plot out to get you. It’s just people are not agreeing with how you see things. At least on this board. I also understand wanting to defend your opinion. But, IMO, you need to learn to know when to walk a way. I knew when I posted the latest on what Kamala Harris said you would pop up to defend your version once again and you did not disappoint. IMO you should have cut your losses on this subject and ignored my last post. I use to try and defend my opinions a lot more but finally came to the realization there is a point when the best thing to do is walk away. So out comes the old “ we are going to have to agree to disagree” and then I’m gone. Based on your comment I took from another post I imagine it’s not fun for you to have to keep defending your opinions because you know you’re right. But that’s not how it works, we, as individuals, get to chose what we believe and what we don’t believe for whatever reason. I’m not changing what I believe about Kamala Harris and what she said or the belief trump is undermining the safety of the vaccine so he can use it against the Biden Administration. Actually after listening to trump Saturday night in AZ I think it may be worse then blaming the Biden Administration for the failure to get everyone vaccinated. I think the fool thinks if there is a coup against the Federal Government and the coup is successful that somehow he will become president again. He’s not only nuts, he’s danger to this country. IMO. Anyway the point of this long post is that it is clear that the majority of the folks who post on the political threads don’t agree with your opinions. So rather then continuing to go back and forth in a lost cause, maybe you should take a step back until you can accept the simple truth that not everyone is going to agree with everyone’s opinion. And you’re not always seen as right in your assessment. Once you fully accept this truth, come back and post your opinions but know when to walk away. I’m pretty sure there will “silence” about this post which means some believe “there she goes again”. “Not allowing anyone to disagree with the narrative of the moment.”
What you are pushing is your opinion. Opinions are subjective and not everyone is going to agree with the general you’s opinions. Some people have a hard time accepting that folks are not going to agree with the way they see things. And when is a good time to walk away. You do realize I moved on from the topic of Kamala and Trump and on to the original topic 3 days ago?YOU are the one that dragged it back up to try to beat me into submission. YOU are the one that is having a hard time accepting that I don't agree with you. Not me.
I like voicing my opinion but I also accept there will be those that agree, those that disagree and those that are silent on my opinions. Your actions show otherwise. But in my opinion you are one of the ones that has a hard time accepting people not agreeing with your opinion no matter how you voice/write it. You might try a little self awareness. I also understand wanting to defend your opinion. But, IMO, you need to learn to know when to walk a way.walked away from the topic 3 days ago.Instead of you dragging it back up, maybe take your own advice, Sister.IMO you should have cut your losses on this subject and ignored my last post. In other words, you desperately need the last word. Anyway the point of this long post is that it is clear that the majority of the folks who post on the political threads don’t agree with your opinions. So rather then continuing to go back and forth in a lost cause, maybe you should take a step back until you can accept the simple truth that not everyone is going to agree with everyone’s opinion. And you’re not always seen as right in your assessment. Once you fully accept this truth, come back and post your opinions but know when to walk away. Have someone you trust read this to you in a calm, soothing voice until you understand that your own advice applies more to you in this particular situation, than it does to me. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 27, 2021 6:27:46 GMT
Seriously we're you there for this is 15 cases and soon it will be zero? We're you there for inject bleach? We're you there for open up churches on Easter because it will be gone? If we want to talk about dealing in reality, this cannot be overlooked. None of it. Trump bungled everything he touched. The mismanagement of this pandemic was epic. I watched all those press conferences with my anxiety running high hoping for something presidential. And I am a former republican. I got none of that. After this pandemic, I may never vote republican again. This is reality. They are lost in lunacy. What you are discussing is not even close to undermining vaccine confidence. Trump did that. The people who aren't taking the vaccine are his supporters. You can't spend a year talking about car accidents being reported as covid deaths and holding super spreader events where people are infected even die (Herman Cain) and support the ridiculous kinds of protests we had going on in Michigan and then say yeah go get vaccinated. You must be joking? But just in case you aren't I'll throw you a bone. Kamala's statement, well maybe that's why the Democratic party has like a 2% holdout rate on vaccination. But Trump is hands down responsible for like the 95% of his party that won't get vaccinated. There, did that help you feel better about your argument? There's your apples to oranges. ETA: yeah I own that I was a bitch. This is getting ridiculous though. We're you there for inject bleach? We're you there for open up churches on Easter because it will be gone? He never said it would be over by Easter, it was a goal to open back up, much like Biden's goal for 4th of July. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 26, 2021 23:06:15 GMT
Just to refresh your memory you said this And dumpster don is basically telling his followers not to get vaccinated and trying to make it all President Biden’s fault. I asked for the link where he said that and you quoted him saying WHY PEOPLE ARE VACCINE HESITANT. You tried to twist that into meaning don't take it. No where in his words were the words I won't take it, or don't take it. As a matter of fact he has said to take it. KAMALA ACTUALLY SAID THE WORDS "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if..."
I understand there was other context, I understand it and can even agree with it. IF you apply the same standard for both. I've been saying, and you and ajhall keep ignoring it, you can NOT honestly spin Trump's words to mean something entirely different than what the words mean and then give excuses for Kamala who actually said the words "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if...". That's not dealing in reality, that's pushing dishonest spin. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 26, 2021 1:01:02 GMT
Because whenever anything shows your people doing/saying something that you're condemning the other side for, you just declare it not equal/similar and THINK that makes it so. Textbook Left wing playbook 101. Democratic party—motto, tag line and substance of the entire party has become—“disinformation central, spin, spin, spin, and lie like your life depends on it!” Exhibit A: 3 Pinocchios for the White House trying to turn the "defund the Police Movement" back on the Republicans. Exhibit B: damn near ANY post YOU make. That’s really funny that you’re accusing the current White House and Democrats about lying and disinformation. Former lied over 20,000 times. He lied so many times about election fraud and undermined confidence in the election process. He led an insurrection in an attempt to overturn the results of a free and fair election because he refused to concede. He continues to lie about the election. Republicans have now taken up his lies as an excuse to pass voter suppression laws. Republicans are lying about the insurrection and trying to change history. McCarthy blew up the investigation and committee because he doesn’t want the truth to come out - former and the Republicans who objected to the election are directly responsible for the insurrection. Typical Republican playbook - accuse others of what you are guilty. The biggest threat to our country, our democracy, our foundation is former and the Republicans in office who support him. The Washington Post has accused AND backed up their accusation on the White House lying about who wants to defund the police. Whatever Trump has done, doesn't excuse the Biden administration's lying. The biggest threat to our democracy is the Biden Administration's Facebook collusion in trashing the first amendment. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 24, 2021 1:45:53 GMT
“Wokeness:” Biggest threat for Democrats? To the original question of this thread... Yes, it's a problem for Democrats when they are seeing racism everywhere, even when it isn't happening. It's important to address it when it actually exists, though you're doing harm to the fight against racism when you assign every negative interaction with a POC, a racist motivation. When you behave as if no one would simply disagree with their words or actions ever, it could ONLY be the color of their skin that someone dislikes. Claiming that just being white makes you a racist, telling people to be less white, claiming that simply disagreeing with those claims, makes you a racist. Cancelling people for old pictures. Trolling them, their family, doxing them, destroying their life. NOT doing that to people that are on the Left who's actions actually ARE indefensible. Cancelling anyone who stands up for someone who that label doesn't fit. Ruining their public reputation when you don't even believe the shit you're saying, destroying them because "it's expected of you to do". Not allowing anyone to disagree with the narrative of the moment. Yes, this kind of bullshit "wokeness" is a big threat to Democrats. People are not going to go along with the bullying nature of the expected conformity for long. Even the Democrats, because they know the extremism won't hold out forever and it WILL come back and bite them in the ass. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 24, 2021 1:42:00 GMT
You can toss out whatever dismissive BS you like, but this still remains the truth: If you're going to apply the standard of undermining public confidence to Trump's words, you have to apply the standard of undermining public confidence to her "I won't take Coronavirus vaccine if".
You have to apply the standard across the board.
If you're going to make excuses for her "I won't take Coronavirus vaccine if" then excuses can be made for Trump's words too.
You can't have a standard that only applies where you want it to only apply.
Typical response from republicans/conservatives —they can never seem to make equal/similar comparisons. Why is that? Oh yeah—it’s because they are either outright wrong, or their position is weak. Textbook Republican playbook 101. Republicans party—motto, tag line and substance of the entire party has become—“disinformation central, spin, spin, spin, and lie like your life depends on it!” Typical response from republicans/conservatives —they can never seem to make equal/similar comparisons. Why is that? Because whenever anything shows your people doing/saying something that you're condemning the other side for, you just declare it not equal/similar and THINK that makes it so. Textbook Left wing playbook 101. Democratic party—motto, tag line and substance of the entire party has become—“disinformation central, spin, spin, spin, and lie like your life depends on it!” Exhibit A: 3 Pinocchios for the White House trying to turn the "defund the Police Movement" back on the Republicans. Exhibit B: damn near ANY post YOU make. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 23, 2021 7:00:27 GMT
You can toss out whatever dismissive BS you like, but this still remains the truth: If you're going to apply the standard of undermining public confidence to Trump's words, you have to apply the standard of undermining public confidence to her "I won't take Coronavirus vaccine if".
You have to apply the standard across the board.
If you're going to make excuses for her "I won't take Coronavirus vaccine if" then excuses can be made for Trump's words too.
You can't have a standard that only applies where you want it to only apply.
What she said was she didn’t trust former. There’s a huge difference between what she said and what former did. Her actions and that of the Biden administration far outweigh one statement of distrust of former. Former has done so many things to undermine confidence in the vaccine, doctors and science that you fail to recognize. This argument is really old. Again, a false comparison and false equivalencies. It’s not a double standard if what you’re comparing is apples vs oranges. And if if we’re talking about undermining confidence in the vaccine, how do you explain the fact that Democrats by a significant margin have been fully vaccinated and the Republicans are refusing? That’s the real truth, but it doesn’t fit your narrative, so you ignore it. You're wrong there. I don't fail to recognize Trump's failings. That said, no matter how many apples and oranges and "context" you try to hide your double standard under, y ou have to apply the standard to both. Otherwise all those apples and oranges and"context" are nothing but making excuses for your double standard. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 23, 2021 1:28:28 GMT
That's nothing but a lazy answer for when something is right when YOU want so badly for it not to be. Congratulations you share a trait with your master trump. In describing what you think I’m doing, you just described your actions to a “t”. You can toss out whatever dismissive BS you like, but this still remains the truth: If you're going to apply the standard of undermining public confidence to Trump's words, you have to apply the standard of undermining public confidence to her "I won't take Coronavirus vaccine if".
You have to apply the standard across the board.
If you're going to make excuses for her "I won't take Coronavirus vaccine if" then excuses can be made for Trump's words too.
You can't have a standard that only applies where you want it to only apply.
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 23, 2021 0:25:34 GMT
"Context" is the catch all word that you THINK dismisses your double standard. It doesn't. If you're going to apply the standard of undermining public confidence to Trumps words, “People are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don’t trust his Administration,” the former president said in a statement Sunday, referring to President Biden. “They don’t trust the Election results, and they certainly don’t trust the Fake News.” You have to apply the standard across the board.
If you're going to make excuses for her "I won't take Coronavirus vaccine if" then excuses can be made for Trump's words too. You can't have a standard that only applies to the person you don't like.
I’m absolutely speechless by the absurdity of your thinking. Yeah that’s all I got. ETA: You did not make one of your “valid points” you’re so fond of. Not even close. That's nothing but a lazy answer for when something is right when YOU want so badly for it not to be. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 23, 2021 0:23:34 GMT
You can't have a standard that only applies to the person you don't like. Why not? You and so many other Trump lovers certainly have one standard for Trump and another for those YOU don't like. I absolutely do not hold anyone to different standards. If you think I have, then link it. And Republicans have one standard for the timing of a Republican President nominating a SC Justice, and quite another for the allowed time that a Democratic President can nominate one. That has nothing to do with the Peas having a different standard for ANYONE they agree with than they do with those they don't agree with. The standard either applies evenly or it doesn't apply at all. |
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