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Post by pixiechick on Aug 8, 2022 23:12:57 GMT
...AGAIN.
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 8, 2022 21:51:28 GMT
Both of them were discussing open borders in theory. No, they were not. Johnson was responding to something BIDEN ACTUALLY SAID specifically calling it "tanatamount to open borders". And Obama was in a televised interview on ABC and Obama used the term in response to what Robin Roberts was referencing, SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. 30,000 migrants crossing the Rio Grande into Del Rio, Texas and 14,000 migrants camped under the city’s International Bridge. NEITHER OF THOSE ARE THEORY. Among other things he said, JOE ACTUALLY SAID he wanted to decriminalize crossing the border and the border crisis WAS AND IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. So, yes, Jeh Johnson and Obama used he term open borders.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 8, 2022 19:46:50 GMT
That is so sad to hear.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 8, 2022 19:21:20 GMT
Yet if any reasonable person were to read your comments, especially the bolded ones, they would come to the conclusion you were in fact blaming Joe Biden. I mean you can’t get any clearer when you say “The current escalation of the crisis at the border IS because of what Biden is doing and saying”. I also said "Of course those other things had an effect on the border crisis." Twice. I also said "I have never said "it is ALL Biden's fault". I don't think anyone else did either." And a few other qualifying words others added in order to try so hard to make the facts I was providing -wrong in any way possible. But you grabbed just a piece of what I said in order to, what was it you said... "try make it the dominating piece without looking at how it fits in with the rest of the pieces of the puzzle and that when the puzzle is completed if it is indeed a dominating piece or just one small part of a complex puzzle". Did you ever consider that you are wrong for the simple reason you are not looking at the entire conversation, but one small part that you believe will make any opinion or fact that you don't agree with, wrong? Because that is YOUR objective. You have a tendency to grab one single piece of a very complex puzzle and try make it the dominating piece without looking at how it fits in with the rest of the pieces of the puzzle and that when the puzzle is completed if it is indeed a dominating piece or just one small part of a complex puzzle. You just accused me of this just yesterday and here you are doing it yourself. I made the comment that it wasn't just Fox news using the term open borders. That information was challenged and in response I backed up the comment with the FACT that Jeh Johnson and Obama both used those terms in relation to Biden's declaration as a presidential candidate and his border crisis as the sitting president. In doing so, of course the back up would weigh heavily on the things Joe, himself had done. But I did not dismiss the other reasons. I specifically said as much. Second I have to admit its hard sometimes trying to figure out what your point is. Maybe if... YOU didn't have a tendency to grab one single piece of a very complex puzzle and try make it the dominating piece without looking at how it fits in with the rest of the pieces of the puzzle and that when the puzzle is completed if it is indeed a dominating piece or just one small part of a complex puzzle... it wouldn't be so hard for you. I've said my opinion, we agreed to disagree, I then saw something quite substantial that backed up my opinion and posted it. I think, despite the irrefutable evidence, you still disagree that Biden had anything to do with the current border crisis and that at least Jeh Johnson and Obama used the term "open borders" in relation to Biden. I could be wrong, but let's just go back to agreeing to disagree. I believe this discussion has been sufficiently |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 8, 2022 0:59:27 GMT
You have a tendency to grab one single piece of a very complex puzzle and try make it the dominating piece without looking at how it fits in with the rest of the pieces of the puzzle and that when the puzzle is completed if it is indeed a dominating piece or just one small part of a complex puzzle. Said "the queen of posting tweets that contain snippets without full content". You’ve dismissed reasons given on why migrants are coming to this country in favor of “Joe said to come”. What you are not taking into consideration is the importance of the driving factors that are making people to even consider leaving their countries to seek asylum in other countries. My statement "Of course those other things had an effect on the border crisis." says otherwise. So, I do believe you're projecting. So the question that should be asked is if Joe had not said what you are claiming he did sayHe said it. It's right there on video for you to see. It's not just "me claiming he said it". That's the thing YOU have a tendency to do, you attempt to minimize reality and think that somehow "proves" YOUR narrative. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 7, 2022 16:51:53 GMT
So a very short excerpt from a debate video that was a snippet taken out of context in a video that was put together by Kevin McCarthy’s office is your proof that Joe Biden told the migrants to come. Seriously? And you know who Kevin McCarthy is right? If you want anyone to take what you are claiming is true then you need to track down the full video or written transcript of the debate so people can see the entire quote and what Joe Biden was responding to and his entire response. Otherwise it’s just meaningless words. And that’s not moving the goalpost, that’s just not being gullible. I mean seriously, you take a video created/edited by the Republican Leader of the House about a Democratic Presidential Candidate as gospel. 🤦🏻♀️ Seriously, the queen of posting tweets that contain snippets without full content is calling someone else out. How ironic. Practice what you preach. Exactly. And there's nothing before or after what he says in that clip that changes what he said in that clip. Not to mention saying he wants to decriminalize crossing into the country. It all sent a message to those that wanted to come, that when Biden's in office is the best/easiest time for you to come. No amount of "but Trump" is going to change reality. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 6, 2022 5:35:26 GMT
You're NOT right. You're having an argument that NO ONE has made. I have never said "it is ALL Biden's fault". I don't think anyone else did either. Of course those other things had an effect on the border crisis. But that doesn't remove Biden's effect on the border crisis. It's hard to argue that standing up on a stage and telling the world you want to decriminalize coming across the border has NO effect on people making the choice to come when you're in office. And it becomes even harder to argue when the people coming across are actually saying they came now because of Joe Biden. No. Where did you see me say that? Sorry, still not buying what you are selling. One thing that President Biden is doing is treating those seeking asylum as human beings and not pieces of trash like dumpster don did and Glenn Abbott is trying to do now. So we are going to agree to disagree on this. I guess we are. You don't really have to buy anything, and as much as you lean on "but Trump" as an excuse for everything, that's never going to negate the reality of Biden. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 5, 2022 2:32:44 GMT
I'm an A++ I LOVE babies, especially newborns. Unless it's complete stranger, if the offer doesn't come soon enough, I'll ask. That was all pre-covid though. I probably wouldn't ask in this current environment. And as much as I want to I never kiss babies. Holding is fine, but unless you're the parents no-one else should be kissing the baby. Just to clarify, my first 2 grandbabies were babies waaay before covid and our newest one is with me all day during the work week for the last 8 months or so. There's no way I'm not kissing my grandbaby in all that time. I would never kiss anyone else's baby, but my babies' babies, yes. During covid or not. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 5, 2022 0:48:24 GMT
Team Sutton for sure. Dianna has a cruel mean streak whereas I think Sutton is pretty harmless albeit awkward.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 5, 2022 0:46:04 GMT
20 minutes in to the episode, I finally realized that watching this is pathetic. Really - Sutton's piece was making chicken salad and talking with her kids? Erika - all the talk of men and her needs. Geesh - I'm questioning my own wellbeing on why I'm watching this. I just finished last nights episode - I really need to stop watching. They go round and round in circles....I want to jump in the TV and yell "LET IT GO, MOVE ON!" I haven't watched this week's yet, so I have no opinion yet. I'll be watching tomorrow night. I do like seeing Zee's review though. She always sums it up perfectly.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 4, 2022 23:32:49 GMT
Interesting that Diana got only one vote.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 4, 2022 23:28:41 GMT
I'm an A. I love babies and if they're my grandbabies, I love to kiss their face. I can't help it, it's just the best way to soak up that sweet baby scrumptiousness.  ETA: We're on grandbaby number 3 and oddly enough, right this minute he's sleeping on me for his nap. I’m an A who happily accepts any baby but doesn’t ask, especially now with Covid. I also had my grandbaby sleeping on me today (bliss!) but her parents have asked for no face kissing. I’ve tried very hard to follow the rule, but 4-month-old granddaughter breaks it all the time and was sucking on my face quite a bit today and I loved every drop of baby drool. Total bliss😊 |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 4, 2022 19:17:18 GMT
I'm an A. I love babies and if they're my grandbabies, I love to kiss their face. I can't help it, it's just the best way to soak up that sweet baby scrumptiousness. ETA: We're on grandbaby number 3 and oddly enough, right this minute he's sleeping on me for his nap. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 4, 2022 14:53:41 GMT
I'm so very sorry for your pain and sadness. I wish I could give you a hug that would take it all away. But I'm so glad you have a place to come and express your thoughts and feelings, knowing that you have complete support from the peas. 🫂
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2022 23:54:14 GMT
Whatever semantics you want to argue, I stand by my opinion. Just to untangle it from all the hubbub and recap what it actually is... "That is tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders. That is unworkable, unwise and does not have the support of a majority of American people or the Congress." Jeh Johnson, in response to all of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates declaring their open border policies. One of them being Joe Biden. He may not have implemented THOSE policies, but his words at the time sent a clear message to people that under Biden was the time they were more likely to get away with breaking our immigration laws, and his actions and policies now ARE continuing to contribute to the current crisis."We're a nation-state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that ... as a practical matter, is unsustainable." Obama, September of last year with Biden in the oval office. Right after more than 15,000 Haitian migrants camped underneath an international bridge in Del Rio, Texas. The current escalation of the crisis at the border IS because of what Biden is doing and saying. The people coming across are even saying they came now because of Joe Biden. Obama said we can not have open borders in response to the crisis under Biden at the time. He was not just musing in general.
That is why I came to the opinion that it is NOT just cindosha and Fox saying and using the term open borders and how what those particular Democrats said does apply to the current chaos at the border. That's where we agree. I put what I believe is your opinion in italics. So if I’m right and that’s your opinion that it’s all President Biden’s fault there are all these people are trying to cross the border. I disagree with your opinion and here’s why. In 1986 the Immigration Reform Act was signed into law. One of the things it did was make it illegal for employers to hire undocumented individuals. If they did they were subject to a fine per individual and up to 6 months in jail. By not vigorously enforcing that part of the law has contributed to the problems at the border for years. These folks know if they can get into the country and disappear they can find work that will pay them better then anything in their own country. And there were eager employers willing to hire them because they know they can pay them less then they would a citizen of this country. But now we have reach a point where there are those who continue to feel if they come to this country and get in they will find work along with people who are leaving their countries looking for a new home for two other reasons that have help create a perfect storm. Look around, the United States is not the only country facing a migrant crisis. People from different countries are leaving their country looking for a new home not only in the United States but in countries in Europe as well. The reasons? Violence in their country and the affects of climate change. A couple of years ago a reporter went to Central America and asked people why they would make the trek to the United States. Even then they were telling the reporter it was because of violence and the affects of the drought. And that is basically the same reason migrants are trying to get into countries in Europe. Violence & Climate Change. “This infographic features a map showing current droughts (as of the end of December 2021) by continent:North America: northern Ontario and the Prairie Provinces in Canada; California (2011–present) South America: central and southern South America (2008–present) Africa: northern Africa and Angola, Botswana, Namibia, Zambia, and South Africa Asia: Central Asia Europe: central and Southern Europe” Or look at it this way, regardless of who is President and what was said or not said, we still would have all these folks coming to this country looking for a new home because they are desperate. Now you can continue to believe the Republican talking that it’s all Joe Biden’s fault, that is your choice. Or you can look around and actually see what is happening. As far as not fully enforcing the 1986 Immigration Reform Bill, I blame both political parties equally for that on all levels of government. So if I’m right and that’s your opinion that it’s all President Biden’s fault there are all these people are trying to cross the border. Now you can continue to believe the Republican talking that it’s all Joe Biden’s fault, that is your choice. You're NOT right. You're having an argument that NO ONE has made. I have never said "it is ALL Biden's fault". I don't think anyone else did either. Of course those other things had an effect on the border crisis. But that doesn't remove Biden's effect on the border crisis. It's hard to argue that standing up on a stage and telling the world you want to decriminalize coming across the border has NO effect on people making the choice to come when you're in office. And it becomes even harder to argue when the people coming across are actually saying they came now because of Joe Biden. So you’re saying you supported Trump’s monstrous border policies? All righty then. I guess we all know where we stand. No. Where did you see me say that? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2022 18:00:25 GMT
I look forward to seeing how you will dismiss it. I think it's past time we clarify the difference between dismissing something and refuting it. To dismiss something is to not even consider it, to ignore it, whereas to refute something means to prove an argument wrong, to actively explain it's inaccuracy. I think refuting statements in political discussions is a given but your frequent claim of being 'dismissed' is inaccurate. Whatever semantics you want to argue, I stand by my opinion. Just to untangle it from all the hubbub and recap what it actually is... "That is tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders. That is unworkable, unwise and does not have the support of a majority of American people or the Congress." Jeh Johnson, in response to all of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates declaring their open border policies. One of them being Joe Biden. He may not have implemented THOSE policies, but his words at the time sent a clear message to people that under Biden was the time they were more likely to get away with breaking our immigration laws, and his actions and policies now ARE continuing to contribute to the current crisis. "We're a nation-state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that ... as a practical matter, is unsustainable." Obama, September of last year with Biden in the oval office. Right after more than 15,000 Haitian migrants camped underneath an international bridge in Del Rio, Texas. The current escalation of the crisis at the border IS because of what Biden is doing and saying. The people coming across are even saying they came now because of Joe Biden. Obama said we can not have open borders in response to the crisis under Biden at the time. He was not just musing in general. That is why I came to the opinion that it is NOT just cindosha and Fox saying and using the term open borders and how what those particular Democrats said does apply to the current chaos at the border. President Biden has not advocated for open borders. More open in comparison Trump? Yes, but not completely "open". That's where we agree. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2022 3:36:00 GMT
The Democratic mayor did not use the term open borders either. That's why I said He does not use the term open border, but it caught my eye because it was a Democrat that was being honest about the situation at the border and begging for help from Biden vs. making excuses for him. Still no evidence that anyone other than conservatives and conservative media are using the term open borders. Per the rules, that is incorrect. "That is tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders. That is unworkable, unwise and does not have the support of a majority of American people or the Congress." Jeh Johnson, in response to all of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates declaring their open border policies. One of them being Joe Biden. "We're a nation-state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that ... as a practical matter, is unsustainable." Obama, September of last year. Right after more than 15,000 Haitian migrants camped underneath an international bridge in Del Rio, Texas. You should know by now, the peas will call you out on anything you say that isn’t entirely accurate. Oh, I will never forget that again.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 3, 2022 1:02:49 GMT
That’s based on your opinion, your perception, your conclusion and not on what they actually said. You’re using a false premise and a false assumption based on opinion to twist their words to fit your narrative. Of course it's my opinion. And my opinion is based, in part, on what Obama, Johnson and the democrats at the border said and the crisis at the border. Still waiting for evidence of these other Democrats. As far as I know, only conservatives and conservative media are using the term open borders. So? I'm still waiting for a lot of things from you that you say and refuse to back up or explain the discrepancy in your words. But here you go... Democrat Henry Cuellar said that migrants are trying to enter the U.S. because THEY believe “that the border is open.” But this is the one with Democrat Mayor of the border town of Eagle Pass, Texas I saw earlier this year. He does not use the term open border, but it caught my eye because it was a Democrat that was being honest about the situation at the border and begging for help from Biden vs. making excuses for him: Democrat Mayor Rolando Salinas " the administration's plan announced by DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas does not address how migrants will be "stopped" from getting into Texas." <Clickable LINK I look forward to seeing how you will dismiss it. we do not have open borders. No shit. You can keep saying I’m wrong over and over again, but my answer isn’t going to change. Same. Which, I believe, is exactly what is meant by one of your favorite terms, “moving the goalposts.” Oh! FFS It's not moving the goal post when I've said it all along by quoting Jeh Johnson saying " tanatamount to open borders". It's clarifying what I'm saying. You all demand precision in words and then handslap for providing it. You're a trip. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 20:45:47 GMT
If the border was open as you and Fox says it is, wouldn't there be no need to call people "illegal"? this is the post you are referring to, which was my response to Cindosha. She was clearly referring to present conditions at the border. She is also not the only person that says that. There aren't many with that line of thinking here, but on social media there are plenty. I appreciate that you went back and clarified your position. I do think that there are many here that think that the borders are tantamount to open borders. Which is what people are saying when they say we have open borders. They don't believe that we officially have open borders, but essentially. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 20:07:42 GMT
In every post related to me saying that Fox and Cindosha were saying that we have open borders? Hasn’t that been the point that you are trying to make—that it isn’t *just fox and people who watch it who are saying that we have open borders??that is why you brought Jeh Johnson and Obama into the conversation in the first place. Just to clarify, this is where I stand. I never said "they currently said we have open borders". But the current border crisis absolutely IS a continuation of what at least Obama was speaking about just last year under Biden, when he spoke about open borders. Jeh Johnson was specifically speaking to Biden, among others, on their plans, the ones that he called virtually the same as open borders. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 19:59:09 GMT
Her, Fox, Jeh Johnson, Obama. This post of yours to cindosha is what I responded to. You later added the word "currently". I even bolded it when you did to differentiate what I was responding to vs. the new parameters. I believe they like to call that moving the goal posts. But I don't want to assume that was your intention, because obviously, it may not have been. And now that I'm reading what you said, "it is". I can see where the disconnect comes from. My apologies. That was never my intent - that they said it currently. I can see where you might have thought that I did. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 19:55:25 GMT
If the border was open as you and Fox says it is, wouldn't there be no need to call people "illegal"? Her, Fox, Jeh Johnson, Obama. This post of yours to cindosha is what I responded to. You later added the word "currently". I even bolded it when you did to differentiate what I was responding to vs. the new parameters. I believe they like to call that moving the goal posts. But I don't want to assume that was your intention, because obviously, it may not have been. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 19:38:00 GMT
I don't know how to make it any clearer, it is NOT just Cindosha and Fox News saying it. The current border IS a continuation of what they were speaking about, when they spoke about open borders. To dismiss that in order to perpetuate the dig that it's just fox news talk, is disingenuous. At best Who else is saying it? We’ve made it clear that both Obama and Johnson were not speaking about the current situation. They were discussing open borders in theory. Obama, Johnson and as far as I know, other Democrats are not using the words open borders to describe the current situation. If anyone other than Fox and conservatives are using the term open borders, please provide evidence. Obama and Johnson did not refer to the current situation as open borders and any claim that they did is simply false. You might think the current situation qualifies as open borders, but that’s your opinion, it’s not a fact and it’s not what either of them said. You are absolutely correct in that they did not say that today. I also never said that they did. But the current border absolutely IS a continuation of what at least Obama was speaking about just last year under Biden, when he spoke about open borders. Jeh Johnson was specifically speaking to Biden, among others, on their plans that he called virtually the same as open borders. To dismiss that in order to perpetuate the dig that it's just fox news talk, is disingenuous. At best |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 19:11:04 GMT
Right. And I never said he was. ETA: This is what I said: Jeh Johnson, in response to all of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates declaring their open border policies. One of them being Joe Biden. You also said that Jeh Johnson and Obama said that we currently have open borders. That is false. Where did I say that? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 18:52:20 GMT
I'm not grasping at straws. Jeh Johnson said their policies were EQUIVALENT IN SERIOUSNESS, VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS* open borders. (the definition of the word that he used- *tantamount) The current escalation of the crisis at the border IS because of what Biden is doing and saying. The people coming across are even saying they came now because of Joe biden. Obama said we can not have open borders in response to the crisis. He was not just musing in general. I don’t know how to make it any more clear. Neither one said we currently have open borders. I don't know how to make it any clearer, it is NOT just Cindosha and Fox News saying it. The current border IS a continuation of what they were speaking about, when they spoke about open borders. To dismiss that in order to perpetuate the dig that it's just fox news talk, is disingenuous. At best |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 18:27:01 GMT
Jeh Johnson was responding to what candidates said. Not to any actual, factual situation in which we have “open borders.” Candidates throw out all kinds of ideas. That doesn’t mean those ideas are ever actually implemented, or even considered. Barack Obama said we cannot have open borders. Not that we DO have open borders. If this is your best argument, you are grasping at straws. Not only that, but Jeh Johnson’s comments are from 2019. Biden wasn’t even president yet, he couldn’t possibly have been describing the current situation. Right. And I never said he was. ETA: This is what I said: Jeh Johnson, in response to all of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates declaring their open border policies. One of them being Joe Biden. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 18:25:19 GMT
This is what they said: "That is tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders. That is unworkable, unwise and does not have the support of a majority of American people or the Congress." Jeh Johnson, in response to all of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates declaring their open border policies. One of them being Joe Biden. "We're a nation-state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that ... as a practical matter, is unsustainable." Obama, September of last year. Right after more than 15,000 Haitian migrants camped underneath an international bridge in Del Rio, Texas. Jeh Johnson was responding to what candidates said. Not to any actual, factual situation in which we have “open borders.” Candidates throw out all kinds of ideas. That doesn’t mean those ideas are ever actually implemented, or even considered. Barack Obama said we cannot have open borders. Not that we DO have open borders. If this is your best argument, you are grasping at straws. I'm not grasping at straws. Jeh Johnson said their policies were EQUIVALENT IN SERIOUSNESS, VIRTUALLY THE SAME AS* open borders. (the definition of the word that he used- *tantamount) The current escalation of the crisis at the border IS because of what Biden is doing and saying. The people coming across are even saying they came now because of Joe biden. Obama said we can not have open borders in response to the crisis. He was not just musing in general. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 17:38:08 GMT
When someone is dismissed with "only you and Fox News are saying that" and it turns out Obama, Jeh Johnson and other Democrats at the border are saying it, it suddenly doesn't matter. Funny how that works. It matters. Due to Biden policies, words and actions, have an influx of people that we can not handle. Ask Muriel Bowser in DC. And she only got something like 4000 extra people and she's panicked. Obama and Jeh Johnson did not say we have open borders. They disagreed with the idea of open borders but did not say we currently have open borders. What other Democrats said we have open borders? This is what they said: "That is tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders. That is unworkable, unwise and does not have the support of a majority of American people or the Congress." Jeh Johnson, in response to all of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates declaring their open border policies. One of them being Joe Biden. "We're a nation-state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that ... as a practical matter, is unsustainable." Obama, September of last year. Right after more than 15,000 Haitian migrants camped underneath an international bridge in Del Rio, Texas. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 17:31:16 GMT
I will admit to hyping up the Reps a bit (because in this case it was the Reps) but if you look at my posting history I am one of those people that have been put in my place for saying or insinuating “both side do it”…and I am fine with that designation. I do not believe one party is evil over the other. I do believe that there is kind of a schism between Republican/conservatives and true trump supporters. But I have beloved unique coworkers that I have worked with for 20 years who I would consider trump supporters and who I have seen get more radical in some of the crazy (IMO) stuff they believe. We just have limited talk about politics when we converse, there are enough every days things to chit chat about. I am not going to change their mind nor they mine. In my opinion a lot of it is crazy shit that just isn’t logical. 🤷🏻♀️ There is enough greed and evil to go around as there is goodness. But there are a group of “Republicans” that i think of as Trump supporters that I do consider evil and they always seemed to be involved in these skirmishes…so I am not going to believe them either. I truly don’t understand the issue…because I believe it could have been fixed another way, if those now opposing this, we’re willing to vote yes before without their amendment in hand. But I will read the link aj2hall linked when I have a moment. I was sincere in my thanks for responding though, and will repeat that. 😄 ETA - I just saw aj2hall’s comment above mine that Toomey voted against it from the beginning. I apologize, I may think bad things about him but at least he is consistent. I have no gripe with that…I will move my outrage from him onto the 25 that switched votes. I agree with much of what you say. And yes, there is a both sides element to a lot of the accusations. I do believe that there is kind of a schism between Republican/conservatives and true trump supporters. But I have beloved unique coworkers that I have worked with for 20 years who I would consider trump supporters and who I have seen get more radical in some of the crazy (IMO) stuff they believe. We just have limited talk about politics when we converse, there are enough every days things to chit chat about. I am not going to change their mind nor they mine. In my opinion a lot of it is crazy shit that just isn’t logical. 🤷🏻♀️ I agree, there is a lot of radical crazy shit going on. I believe a lot of it could get sorted out and many of the reasonable people that might, for a minute, buy into some of the crazy, could have discussions with people with other info, ideas, or opinions and get more grounded again. With the shift from rational, reasonable discussion to the new "shut down any discussion I don't agree with" by labeling it or them with any ist, ism, or phobic label, whether it applies or not, those discussions won't be happening. I really still believe that we all want the same thing, but just disagree with how to achieve it. Lucy keeps saying "we are doomed" and people keep repeating it. The vilifying of anything or anyone "you" disagree with is certainly one way to doom us. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 2, 2022 15:44:35 GMT
When someone is dismissed with "only you and Fox News are saying that" and it turns out Obama, Jeh Johnson and other Democrats at the border are saying it, it suddenly doesn't matter. Funny how that works. It matters. Due to Biden policies, words and actions, have an influx of people that we can not handle. Ask Muriel Bowser in DC. And she only got something like 4000 extra people and she's panicked. You are taking things out of context, as usual. I think we can all agree that immigration is an issue, but using inflammatory language, lying, and continuing to make immigration a divisive issue (due to racism) is not helpful. I am willing to bet that we could come up with some good policies if people could work together. But that would include Republicans and, like every other major issue we have in this country, they would rather continue to use it to create division than actually come up with any meaningful change. And you are really willfully ignorant if you think any problems are all due to "Biden's words, policies and actions" and do not look at what happened prior. This isn't a new issue, and Trump didn't solve it. How do you think forcing people to stay in Mexico in tents for months/years has impacted the situation now? You are taking things out of context, as usual. I don't think I am. At least not any more than those with an opposing opinion do. but using inflammatory language, lying, and continuing to make immigration a divisive issue (due to racism) is not helpful. I know I didn't do any of that. But like the "only you and Fox News are saying that" personal digs at Cindosha, matters enough to use it, until it's shown that it isn't true. Then suddenly it doesn't matter. I am willing to bet that we could come up with some good policies if people could work together. Here we agree. But that would include Republicans and, like every other major issue we have in this country, they would rather continue to use it to create division than actually come up with any meaningful change. And then you take it here. You know that it isn't only republicans that do that. Look at the veteran's bill and how the Democrats are using their unnecessary add on, to smear the Republicans, while not taking any responsibility for their own actions that are stalling that. And you are really willfully ignorant if you think any problems are all due to "Biden's words, policies and actions" and do not look at what happened prior. I don't think all of the problems are due to Trump, but making that statement in order to dismiss what his actions and policies ARE contributing to the chaos isn't an honest assessment. |
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