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Post by Merge on May 13, 2021 21:56:06 GMT
We all get to choose the level of risk we're comfortable with. To me, the risks are very low, so I'm good going maskless. Those of us who are fully vaccinated have an incredibly high percentage of not dying or being hospitalized from COVID per the CDC. I am very anxious to not have to be wearing a mask. I, now, don't have to worry about those who refuse to get vaccinated or lie about getting vaccinated. I am good. Those others are still at risk, while I am not likely to die or get hospitalized. In my opinion (as someone who hunkered down without venturing out during the pandemic) this is my reward. I refuse to worry about the stupidity of others. It does not affect me. 1000% agree. Fuck 'em. And I can't wait for the conspiracy memes to start up, where they all wonder why only unvaxxed people are dying from Covid now. Clearly it will be some great conspiracy! They're killing conservatives with this weaponized virus!
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Post by myshelly on May 13, 2021 22:03:42 GMT
I feel like this is a case of the CDC/the Biden administration being really out of touch with red states.
They’re trying to incentivize getting the vaccine by saying you can drop the mask if you get the shot, but people who don’t want the vaccine are already not wearing masks. No business is going to take on the job of vaccine police.
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Post by xea on May 13, 2021 22:10:24 GMT
I feel like this is a case of the CDC/the Biden administration being really out of touch with red states. They’re trying to incentivize getting the vaccine by saying you can drop the mask if you get the shot, but people who don’t want the vaccine are already not wearing masks. No business is going to take on the job of vaccine police. I just briefly polled my adult children who are not against the vaccine just don't bother getting it (grrrr). They are wearing masks now. They both said that they will drop the masks once everyone else does and still won't get the vaccine until they have to. (daughter is planning a hawaii trip and will get it if/when they require it to come. I guess that was a long way of saying it isn't even incentivizing the people who are blue and not really against the vaccine either.
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Post by cade387 on May 13, 2021 22:14:22 GMT
There will be tons of unvaccinated people going maskless. They will simply lie about it. And the data is showing that it won't harm the vaccinated people, only themselves. I will be sure to tell my friend that her dad, who died yesterday of COVId that he got after being fully vaccinated, that he shouldn’t have died because the data said so. 🙄
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Post by mollycoddle on May 13, 2021 22:14:38 GMT
Those of us who are fully vaccinated have an incredibly high percentage of not dying or being hospitalized from COVID per the CDC. I am very anxious to not have to be wearing a mask. I, now, don't have to worry about those who refuse to get vaccinated or lie about getting vaccinated. I am good. Those others are still at risk, while I am not likely to die or get hospitalized. In my opinion (as someone who hunkered down without venturing out during the pandemic) this is my reward. I refuse to worry about the stupidity of others. It does not affect me. 1000% agree. Fuck 'em. And I can't wait for the conspiracy memes to start up, where they all wonder why only unvaxxed people are dying from Covid now. Clearly it will be some great conspiracy! They're killing conservatives with this weaponized virus! Yep, this will happen. They excel at conspiracy theories. Ohio is having a lottery and college scholarships giveaway as an incentive to vaccinate. www.10tv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/ohios-1-million-vaccine-lottery-and-college-scholarship-giveaway-how-it-works/530-00a5cf8b-d7fe-4794-83c7-72d5d803aaa5
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Post by sassyangel on May 13, 2021 22:15:06 GMT
Personally, I don’t think *this* is what will improve vaccine hesitancy (as opposed to complete aversion) at all.
Those that I know that are, masks rank pretty low on their reasoning for being hesitant. A lot of them don’t always bother wearing them, so they really gain nothing from this. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 13, 2021 22:18:27 GMT
I can just hear the media stories now about people calling out others who are maskless asking "are you vaccinated" and all the whining about privacy .... and you just know there are going to be some violent actions that happen.... And you'll have the opposite too, maskless people yelling at people still wearing masks, saying "Stop being afraid." They have been doing that all along. Groups of anti maskers going into businesses and yelling at people and employees. Stores are getting sued for trying to follow the rules.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 13, 2021 22:20:39 GMT
I believe this is, in part, to convince more people to get vaccinated. Some people don't see any point in the vaccine if nothing changes for them. That's exactly what they are doing in Michigan. Reopening milestones are tied to vaccination rates. Same in Minnesota. The mask mandate is supposed to be ending no later than July 1, but earlier If we get to 70% of eligible people being vaccinated before that.
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Post by alsomsknit on May 13, 2021 22:33:43 GMT
I would assume the CDC are taking into consideration the different variants that are abound when making decisions to forgo masks in non-crowded places for vaccinated people. They said that so far, studies show that the vaccines are protecting against the variants in the US. They gave a caveat that if that changes, the guidance will change. Therefore, I will continue to mask in public indoor spaces as a precaution, because I have no desire of catching a variant before there is more evidence which requires that change. I live in a very red state. Our county was a hotspot numerous times. If/when the variants show up, it will hit hard in this area again. Personally, the vaccine is so my family and friends can meet up in each others’ homes/backyards and the office staff can be comfortable, massless, throughout the majority of the day. Personally, 100% I will be wearing a mask in stores and when dealing with clients at work. There will be no eating out because the social distancing will be gone in those places. Giving up masks in indoor public places at this point, when things can change if the vaccine doesn’t protect from variants most definitely is like giving up on a race with 1 lap to go and wondering why you lost. It isn’t a lack of trust in science. The 4th round of testing with the same results is more reassuring than solely relying on the 1st test results.
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Post by prapea on May 13, 2021 22:35:44 GMT
Oh the irony of the timing of this. I just got a text from my neighbor two doors down that she got Covid after her second vaccine and just finished her quarantine period. She said it felt like a bad cold/headache. She lost her sense of taste and smell. She is feeling better but hasn’t gotten her sense of smell and taste back yet.
I don’t care what the CDC says. I am still going to wear my mask so I can make faces at people😜🤣🤣
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Post by snoopy on May 13, 2021 22:40:55 GMT
We all get to choose the level of risk we're comfortable with. To me, the risks are very low, so I'm good going maskless. Those of us who are fully vaccinated have an incredibly high percentage of not dying or being hospitalized from COVID per the CDC. I am very anxious to not have to be wearing a mask. I, now, don't have to worry about those who refuse to get vaccinated or lie about getting vaccinated. I am good. Those others are still at risk, while I am not likely to die or get hospitalized. In my opinion (as someone who hunkered down without venturing out during the pandemic) this is my reward. I refuse to worry about the stupidity of others. It does not affect me. This is my feeling exactly. My state just announced the end of our mask mandate an hour ago. I will still carry a mask in my purse, and will gladly put it on if an individual business still requires them. I have never been a “people person” to begin with, and I find that my isolation over the last 14-15 months has made me even less inclined to be around others, so I will likely still shop during slow times and continue to avoid large groups, but I’m really looking forward to being able to go out without a mask.
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 13, 2021 22:44:36 GMT
The epidemiologists that I follow are saying to continue to mask indoors since kids are too young to be vaccinated snd that this is too early to remove masks.
As tired as I am of masks I will probably continue to wear one for a while after the mandate here ends but I don’t have any younger unvaccinated children I am around.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 13, 2021 22:54:51 GMT
Maybe. At some point, though, we're just going to have to go on without them. I trust the CDC that the vaccine protects me from serious Covid symptoms and keeps me from giving it to others, to the same degree than any other vaccine protects. That's all I can do. I'm not going to wait around to protect people who never gave a crap about protecting me and mine pre-vaxx. AMEN. that's how I've been feeling for awhile. We have done what we can do. it's been over a yr. I'm almost positive I will have to cont to wear a mask at my job. I'm ok with that. But I'm sick of defending myself to all these moronic red parts of my county and friends. If they get COVID now...it's on them. I have to say though, I'm leary about this. We have already seen break thru vaccinated people getting COVID in our hospital. They're in ICU, they have had it pretty bad. yea, it's not that many, but I would hate to be that 1% that they are saying. Though I think it's more.
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Post by maryannscraps on May 13, 2021 23:05:45 GMT
And the data is showing that it won't harm the vaccinated people, only themselves. I will be sure to tell my friend that her dad, who died yesterday of COVId that he got after being fully vaccinated, that he shouldn’t have died because the data said so. 🙄 I’m so very sorry for your friend and your loss.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 13, 2021 23:39:33 GMT
I wish this is how it had been handled all along. With the federal/President telling everyone to mask, or not mask. Vs all these states doing their own wild west crap. We may have been over this a long time ago. We'll never know.
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Post by maryland on May 13, 2021 23:39:56 GMT
I love this! We live near the Ohio border so it was all over our news today! Good for Ohio! And the 12-17 yr. olds have a better chance of winning the scholarship because less in that age group. So happy about this.
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Post by mnmloveli on May 13, 2021 23:53:49 GMT
And the data is showing that it won't harm the vaccinated people, only themselves. I will be sure to tell my friend that her dad, who died yesterday of COVId that he got after being fully vaccinated, that he shouldn’t have died because the data said so. 🙄 So sorry for your friend’s dad who did everything right and still passed away. Heartbreaking.
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Post by myshelly on May 13, 2021 23:55:38 GMT
I wish this is how it had been handled all along. With the federal/President telling everyone to mask, or not mask. Vs all these states doing their own wild west crap. We may have been over this a long time ago. We'll never know. Our government isn’t set up that way. A mandate like this from the federal government would not have been constitutional.
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Post by cade387 on May 14, 2021 0:05:06 GMT
Maybe. At some point, though, we're just going to have to go on without them. I trust the CDC that the vaccine protects me from serious Covid symptoms and keeps me from giving it to others, to the same degree than any other vaccine protects. That's all I can do. I'm not going to wait around to protect people who never gave a crap about protecting me and mine pre-vaxx. AMEN. that's how I've been feeling for awhile. We have done what we can do. it's been over a yr. I'm almost positive I will have to cont to wear a mask at my job. I'm ok with that. But I'm sick of defending myself to all these moronic red parts of my county and friends. If they get COVID now...it's on them. I have to say though, I'm leary about this. We have already seen break thru vaccinated people getting COVID in our hospital. They're in ICU, they have had it pretty bad. yea, it's not that many, but I would hate to be that 1% that they are saying. Though I think it's more. I agree but I’m not to that point yet. There are still those who cannot get vaccinated. Once it is available to everyone then I am for removing the mandates and/or I will stop wearing my mask. I will not ask my kids to wear them and go without myself.
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Post by peaname on May 14, 2021 0:08:20 GMT
My main concern with this is that it will just decrease the mask wearing overall. Those who are not going to get vaccinated won’t wear masks, either, if they aren’t required. I completely agree. I would never trust someone who says they’re fully vaccinated because I’ve seen people lie.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 14, 2021 0:08:38 GMT
Another thing that I do worry a little about is having to quarantine and lose two weeks of pay if I get Covid, even if I’m vaccinated.
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Post by uksue on May 14, 2021 1:00:30 GMT
I received my second dose last Saturday and will continue wearing my masks. I’ve found a lady who makes the perfect , comfortable mask and we are all wearing them in this household . I forget I’m wearing it because it doesn’t move- I therefore only have to touch it to put it on and remove it. I’ve just bought her summery prints.
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 1:32:04 GMT
Yes you can. They just don’t seem to care anymore. Yes you can but the risk is very low (last I saw was less then 10% chance). It’s been reported much, much, lower than that. Like a fraction of one percent. I’m confused as to why people who have been all, follow the science, listen to the CDC, are now like oh, I think I know better than they do. People whose entire career has been spent studying this stuff are telling me that it’s safe for me and others if I don’t wear a mask. I’m a music teacher. I’m going to trust their judgment over mine. To put it another way - my internet “research” is no more valid than that of the anti-vaxxers. Imma listen to the experts and believe that I’m not putting anyone in danger if I go out without a mask. It’s not that I don’t care. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t have followed all the guidelines up until now. I’ve been fully vaxxed for months and live in a state with no mask mandate. If I didn’t care, I could have been going around unmasked all this time. But I didn’t. I’ve waited until people who know a lot more than me said it was safe. We can’t bemoan the death of respect for expertise and science on one hand, and then turn around and say that the experts don’t know what they’re talking about now.
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Post by seaexplore on May 14, 2021 1:45:06 GMT
But what if someone mistakes me for a republican? 🤣
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 1:59:59 GMT
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 14, 2021 2:09:18 GMT
Yes you can but the risk is very low (last I saw was less then 10% chance). It’s been reported much, much, lower than that. Like a fraction of one percent. I’m confused as to why people who have been all, follow the science, listen to the CDC, are now like oh, I think I know better than they do. People whose entire career has been spent studying this stuff are telling me that it’s safe for me and others if I don’t wear a mask. I’m a music teacher. I’m going to trust their judgment over mine. To put it another way - my internet “research” is no more valid than that of the anti-vaxxers. Imma listen to the experts and believe that I’m not putting anyone in danger if I go out without a mask. It’s not that I don’t care. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t have followed all the guidelines up until now. I’ve been fully vaxxed for months and live in a state with no mask mandate. If I didn’t care, I could have been going around unmasked all this time. But I didn’t. I’ve waited until people who know a lot more than me said it was safe. We can’t bemoan the death of respect for expertise and science on one hand, and then turn around and say that the experts don’t know what they’re talking about now. Damn. You make a good point.
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 2:32:19 GMT
I saw that and thought the discussion raised some fair points. I haven’t really been thrilled with the *way* the CDC messaged the entire pandemic, tbh. It often seemed contradictory, at times, although I always went by it. And that’s coming from someone who in no way was ever looking for holes to poke in it. It was tough when they especially early on seemed hamstrung by the prior administration. You can follow their advice, and still think it didn’t always seem as logically presented, as it could have been. This is a huugggge step from their advice just the other week. Which is unusual. They’re generally pretty risk adverse - so I understand why people are all ‘WTH?’ with such a relatively radical leap forward, for them.
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Post by 50offscrapper on May 14, 2021 3:03:54 GMT
Has anyone seen the scientific testing that was done to get to this conclusion? I trust science but I can guarantee you no comprehensive tests were done. Otherwise, to properly test their hypothesis you would have to spread Covid and see if people got infected. I am open to read about simulated tests or any data the CDC used to reach their conclusion.
Remember at the beginning of Covid, the CDC telling us that masks were useless. And I am now suppose to trust them?
So forgive me if I have doubts about what the CDC is saying now about ditching masks.
I think it would be prudent to wait another 2 months. What do we have to lose?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 14, 2021 3:07:24 GMT
I’ve seen doctors on cnn talking about how the Yankees players and staff getting Covid after being vaccinated isn’t a big deal, and how low of a risk it is that someone in that situation would transmit the virus. But don’t you think all of those people were exposed by the same person? That seems more likely than then all getting exposed by different people at the same time.
I’m just a little worried that we will find out née info in the future that will make us wish we hadn’t stopped doing preventive measures so early.
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 3:09:20 GMT
Has anyone seen the scientific testing that was done to get to this conclusion? I trust science but I can guarantee you no comprehensive tests were done. Otherwise, to properly test their hypothesis you would have to spread Covid and see if people got infected. I am open to read about simulated tests or any data the CDC used to reach their conclusion. Remember at the beginning of Covid, the CDC telling us that masks were useless. And I am now suppose to trust them? So forgive me if I have doubts about what the CDC is saying now about ditching masks. I think it would be prudent to wait another 2 months. What do we have to lose? Hmm.... the CDC is generally really risk adverse. Even if this seems premature, I’m pretty sure they have pretty good data backing this updated info.
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