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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 3:51:06 GMT
Has anyone seen the scientific testing that was done to get to this conclusion? I trust science but I can guarantee you no comprehensive tests were done. Otherwise, to properly test their hypothesis you would have to spread Covid and see if people got infected. I am open to read about simulated tests or any data the CDC used to reach their conclusion. Remember at the beginning of Covid, the CDC telling us that masks were useless. And I am now suppose to trust them? So forgive me if I have doubts about what the CDC is saying now about ditching masks. I think it would be prudent to wait another 2 months. What do we have to lose? Yes, there has been testing. www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals.htmlThere are ongoing studies at 20 universities, college students are low risk. There have also been studies conducted at places like nursing homes where unvaccinated workers spread covid to vaccinated residents. the CDC did not change the guidelines on a whim, they are following the science And it’s been covered many times over, yes the guidance on masks changed early on. Initially, there was concern about sufficient supply of masks for health care workers.
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 3:57:28 GMT
I wish this is how it had been handled all along. With the federal/President telling everyone to mask, or not mask. Vs all these states doing their own wild west crap. We may have been over this a long time ago. We'll never know. Our government isn’t set up that way. A mandate like this from the federal government would not have been constitutional. I don’t think she was referring to a federal mandate. I think what she’s suggesting is that if there was a consistent message from the White House, the situation might have been different. Biden has led by example, following CDC guidelines regarding masks and social distancing, something the previous administration refused to do. Remember the super spreader event in the Rose Garden last summer? The president can also issue executive orders exactly like Biden did requiring masks in airports and federal buildings. I’m curious though, where exactly in the Constitution does it cover federal mask mandates?
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 14, 2021 4:52:53 GMT
And the data is showing that it won't harm the vaccinated people, only themselves. I will be sure to tell my friend that her dad, who died yesterday of COVId that he got after being fully vaccinated, that he shouldn’t have died because the data said so. 🙄 I’m so sorry. That’s just it in a nutshell. The vaccine HELPS but it isn’t a 100% bulletproof guarantee that you absolutely won’t get it, just like the flu vaccines don’t ever guarantee you won’t get the flu. I did my part and got vaccinated, DH did too and we’ll bring our kid in for her shots when the time comes that she can get it. The more people who hold out needlessly for whatever reason (and I’m not talking about those who truly can’t get it for medical reasons) will be the reason why this thing will continue to mutate and won’t get totally stamped out. Our governor is dropping our state’s mask mandate too for anyone who is fully vaccinated. But far too many people have proven that they truly just don’t give a shit about anyone else in the world. I will still mask up when I go out in public because I need to be a good role model for my kid who can’t get the vaccine yet and will still need to do what she can to protect herself from getting it, especially since the virtual option for school isn’t being offered in our district next fall and pretty much none of the kids in her grade will be able to get vaccinated when school starts. It’s easier to get my unvaccinated kid to comply with continuing to wear a mask if I am too. Even after this is no longer a major health threat I’m not getting rid of my masks. I think they will be part of my standard fall and winter gear from now on any time I have to be around anyone who isn’t in my household. They helped keep us so much healthier last fall and winter by making it harder to breathe in everyone else’s crud.
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Post by cade387 on May 14, 2021 10:08:10 GMT
Yes you can but the risk is very low (last I saw was less then 10% chance). It’s been reported much, much, lower than that. Like a fraction of one percent. I’m confused as to why people who have been all, follow the science, listen to the CDC, are now like oh, I think I know better than they do. People whose entire career has been spent studying this stuff are telling me that it’s safe for me and others if I don’t wear a mask. I’m a music teacher. I’m going to trust their judgment over mine. To put it another way - my internet “research” is no more valid than that of the anti-vaxxers. Imma listen to the experts and believe that I’m not putting anyone in danger if I go out without a mask. It’s not that I don’t care. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t have followed all the guidelines up until now. I’ve been fully vaxxed for months and live in a state with no mask mandate. If I didn’t care, I could have been going around unmasked all this time. But I didn’t. I’ve waited until people who know a lot more than me said it was safe. We can’t bemoan the death of respect for expertise and science on one hand, and then turn around and say that the experts don’t know what they’re talking about now. I’m frustrated with the whiplash of news though. Yesterday morning Fauci is out saying unless you are tripping over people in a crowd you don’t need a mask outside if you are fully vaccinated. Then a few hours later the tune is now you don’t need a mask inside OR outside and it doesn’t matter if you are tripping on people. They can’t have changed their minds in an hour or two for that type of message change. They are not doing a great job of sharing the info or producing the data behind it unless you really go digging for it. That is extremely frustrating. Also - there are already calls for our mask mandate to be dropped. It took two hours to say that our Gov should change the rules again. Currently it is supposed to go away when we are at 70% have a first dose plus 2 weeks. We are currently at 58%. We have given up so much in the last year and I don’t want to throw it away because now the other 42% are saying “great I don’t have to wear and I don’t have to get vaccinated either” because based on my work day yesterday and my FB feed last night - they absolutely are saying that.
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Post by alsomsknit on May 14, 2021 10:33:59 GMT
I’m confused as to why people who have been all, follow the science, listen to the CDC, are now like oh, I think I know better than they do. People whose entire career has been spent studying this stuff are telling me that it’s safe for me and others if I don’t wear a mask. I’m a music teacher. I’m going to trust their judgment over mine. Scientific findings are goal posts not finish lines. There are new findings all the time. The caveat of the possibility of masks being rerecommended later was given, because new evidence could indicate the need. They are still learning about this virus. It is not bad science. It is simply how science works. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are choosing caution by continuing mask usage in public indoor spaces. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are completely done with mask wearing either. My concern lies with the variants and awareness of the community in which I reside. Mask wearing while in indoor public spaces will continue for my son (His choice.) and myself. When/if boosters become available, we will be in line for that vaccine too, because we do trust the science. When any of the variants arrive locally, we will be hit hard. My guess is 30 to 40% of the local population either never wore a mask or wore them improperly (ie under the nose). Still waiting to hear what % of the population has been vax’d.
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Post by peasapie on May 14, 2021 11:07:01 GMT
Dr fauchi just admitted that part of the CDC calculus in no-mask changes may have been to induce the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. My concern is children.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 14, 2021 11:07:34 GMT
Also - there are already calls for our mask mandate to be dropped. It took two hours to say that our Gov should change the rules again. Currently it is supposed to go away when we are at 70% have a first dose plus 2 weeks. We are currently at 58%. We have given up so much in the last year and I don’t want to throw it away because now the other 42% are saying “great I don’t have to wear and I don’t have to get vaccinated either” because based on my work day yesterday and my FB feed last night - they absolutely are saying that. Are you in Michigan? I heard the same kinds of things yesterday.
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Post by cade387 on May 14, 2021 12:17:33 GMT
Also - there are already calls for our mask mandate to be dropped. It took two hours to say that our Gov should change the rules again. Currently it is supposed to go away when we are at 70% have a first dose plus 2 weeks. We are currently at 58%. We have given up so much in the last year and I don’t want to throw it away because now the other 42% are saying “great I don’t have to wear and I don’t have to get vaccinated either” because based on my work day yesterday and my FB feed last night - they absolutely are saying that. Are you in Michigan? I heard the same kinds of things yesterday. Yes Case in point- my sister was already called a p*ssy this morning 5 min into her shift at Starbucks for wearing a “stupid mask”.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 14, 2021 12:21:35 GMT
Are you in Michigan? I heard the same kinds of things yesterday. Yes Case in point- my sister was already called a p*ssy this morning 5 min into her shift at Starbucks for wearing a “stupid mask”. Oh, FFS. This bothers me to no end. And people wonder why no one wants to work service jobs. I swear people have lost any little shred of compassion and caring about their neighbors that they may have had. Are people really this ugly in our society?
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 12:46:34 GMT
I’m confused as to why people who have been all, follow the science, listen to the CDC, are now like oh, I think I know better than they do. People whose entire career has been spent studying this stuff are telling me that it’s safe for me and others if I don’t wear a mask. I’m a music teacher. I’m going to trust their judgment over mine. Scientific findings are goal posts not finish lines. There are new findings all the time. The caveat of the possibility of masks being rerecommended later was given, because new evidence could indicate the need. They are still learning about this virus. It is not bad science. It is simply how science works. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are choosing caution by continuing mask usage in public indoor spaces. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are completely done with mask wearing either. My concern lies with the variants and awareness of the community in which I reside. Mask wearing while in indoor public spaces will continue for my son (His choice.) and myself. When/if boosters become available, we will be in line for that vaccine too, because we do trust the science. When any of the variants arrive locally, we will be hit hard. My guess is 30 to 40% of the local population either never wore a mask or wore them improperly (ie under the nose). Still waiting to hear what % of the population has been vax’d. I don't take issue with anyone choosing to wear or not wear a mask. What I object to is saying we have concerns that the CDC and virtually every major epidemiologist out there just didn't think of. That's the kind of thinking that led to covid-hoax, anti-mask, and anti-vaxx thinking. It seems to me that choosing to trust the CDC on this sends the message that those of us who followed the recommendations were doing the right thing all along. Instead, we're saying, yeah, conspiracy folks, we didn't trust them either - we're just reading different scare stories than you are. If that's where you are, fine, and I'll never say a word to anyone who chooses to continue to wear a mask when you don't have to. But please don't put it out there that Kevin on the internet raised a very interesting point that you think the CDC might not have considered. That makes us no better than the anti-science folks who helped us into this mess in the first place.
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Post by Bridget in MD on May 14, 2021 12:56:41 GMT
I am fully vaccinated. My daughter and husband just got their 2nd shot this past week (and had terrible reactions) and my son will be getting his first shot today at 4. I will be wearing my mask in places like walmart and grocery stores until he is post his 2nd shot and 2 weeks. So that puts me in mid-june. I don't wear it outside when I am walking or pumping gas. I do not judge people if they are wearing the mask, I actually still judge people who aren't or wearing it properly (inside). Like someone said upthread, it's going to take me a while to trust people again. Seeing how selfish the US people are btwn COVID and now the gas hoarding, I just feel like it's every man for himself, and it's embarrassing and depressing.
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 12:57:51 GMT
Dr fauchi just admitted that part of the CDC calculus in no-mask changes may have been to induce the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. My concern is children. Honest question: do you believe the CDC just isn't thinking about the children in this case? They didn't consider that in their calculus?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 14, 2021 12:59:23 GMT
Dr fauchi just admitted that part of the CDC calculus in no-mask changes may have been to induce the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. My concern is children. I think this is why they changed the recommendations as well. I’ve seen several reporters interviewing cdc and other experts and pushing them on giving an “incentive” to people to get vaccinated. The problem is that now it won’t just be people who are vaccinated that aren’t wearing them. Our governor had said that the mandate would go away July 1 or when we reached 70% vaccinated. Last night he said it would go away today because it doesn’t make sense to have two sets of rules. So, now nobody will be wearing a mask and there still isn’t incentive to get vaccinated if you haven’t already. I like the July 1 date better because then at least the kids in the 12-18 bracket could get fully vaccinated.
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 13:01:55 GMT
I am fully vaccinated. My daughter and husband just got their 2nd shot this past week (and had terrible reactions) and my son will be getting his first shot today at 4. I will be wearing my mask in places like walmart and grocery stores until he is post his 2nd shot and 2 weeks. So that puts me in mid-june. I don't wear it outside when I am walking or pumping gas. I do not judge people if they are wearing the mask, I actually still judge people who aren't or wearing it properly (inside). Like someone said upthread, it's going to take me a while to trust people again. Seeing how selfish the US people are btwn COVID and now the gas hoarding, I just feel like it's every man for himself, and it's embarrassing and depressing. I feel like I don't need to trust people if I trust the vaccine. People who want to gamble with being unvaccinated have chosen their own risks. The vaccine protects me from them to a very high degree. It also protects others who come into contact with me. To your point - there's a whole segment of society that I will never trust again. The ones who threw teachers under the bus last fall, for example. But I don't have to trust them, because the vaccine gives me enough protection that health experts say it's OK for me to be out and around without a mask at this time. I absolutely assume that half the people I see aren't vaccinated and never will be. Doesn't matter to me now. I don't trust them, won't ever be friendly with them, but we can exist in the same space and they're the only ones taking a substantial risk. Let them do it.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 14, 2021 13:02:43 GMT
I’m confused as to why people who have been all, follow the science, listen to the CDC, are now like oh, I think I know better than they do. People whose entire career has been spent studying this stuff are telling me that it’s safe for me and others if I don’t wear a mask. I’m a music teacher. I’m going to trust their judgment over mine. Scientific findings are goal posts not finish lines. There are new findings all the time. The caveat of the possibility of masks being rerecommended later was given, because new evidence could indicate the need. They are still learning about this virus. It is not bad science. It is simply how science works. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are choosing caution by continuing mask usage in public indoor spaces. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are completely done with mask wearing either. My concern lies with the variants and awareness of the community in which I reside. Mask wearing while in indoor public spaces will continue for my son (His choice.) and myself. When/if boosters become available, we will be in line for that vaccine too, because we do trust the science. When any of the variants arrive locally, we will be hit hard. My guess is 30 to 40% of the local population either never wore a mask or wore them improperly (ie under the nose). Still waiting to hear what % of the population has been vax’d. You can check your county on the NYT website. My county is only 36% fully vaccinated, which, considering the fact that we have an older population, is disgraceful. A neighboring county which is even Trumpier is 32% fully vaccinated. Mandates are still in place until June, so maybe that number will go up. But we have lots of Trumpers here, so I am skeptical.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 14, 2021 13:04:22 GMT
Scientific findings are goal posts not finish lines. There are new findings all the time. The caveat of the possibility of masks being rerecommended later was given, because new evidence could indicate the need. They are still learning about this virus. It is not bad science. It is simply how science works. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are choosing caution by continuing mask usage in public indoor spaces. There is nothing wrong with those of us who are completely done with mask wearing either. My concern lies with the variants and awareness of the community in which I reside. Mask wearing while in indoor public spaces will continue for my son (His choice.) and myself. When/if boosters become available, we will be in line for that vaccine too, because we do trust the science. When any of the variants arrive locally, we will be hit hard. My guess is 30 to 40% of the local population either never wore a mask or wore them improperly (ie under the nose). Still waiting to hear what % of the population has been vax’d. I don't take issue with anyone choosing to wear or not wear a mask. What I object to is saying we have concerns that the CDC and virtually every major epidemiologist out there just didn't think of. That's the kind of thinking that led to covid-hoax, anti-mask, and anti-vaxx thinking. It seems to me that choosing to trust the CDC on this sends the message that those of us who followed the recommendations were doing the right thing all along. Instead, we're saying, yeah, conspiracy folks, we didn't trust them either - we're just reading different scare stories than you are. If that's where you are, fine, and I'll never say a word to anyone who chooses to continue to wear a mask when you don't have to. But please don't put it out there that Kevin on the internet raised a very interesting point that you think the CDC might not have considered. That makes us no better than the anti-science folks who helped us into this mess in the first place. The cdc is saying vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks. My concern (and I think others on the thread) is that now it appears masks will be going away altogether. Not just for unvaccinated people. That puts kids who haven’t been able to be vaccinated yet at risk, even of they themselves wear masks. I do have some concern that we may find out new info later that doesn’t support this decision. But my main thought is that they didn’t completely think through the fact that it wouldn’t just be vaccinated people that stop wearing masks.
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Post by candygurl on May 14, 2021 13:10:08 GMT
Interesting! I’m fully vaccinated as in everyone in my house eligible to be. I still will wear masks because I want to protect my kid until he can get the vaccine in the fall. I’m not planning on being in any big group of people so it’s a minor thing for me to still wear my mask.
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Post by sabrinae on May 14, 2021 13:21:37 GMT
Maybe. At some point, though, we're just going to have to go on without them. I trust the CDC that the vaccine protects me from serious Covid symptoms and keeps me from giving it to others, to the same degree than any other vaccine protects. That's all I can do. I'm not going to wait around to protect people who never gave a crap about protecting me and mine pre-vaxx. AMEN. that's how I've been feeling for awhile. We have done what we can do. it's been over a yr. I'm almost positive I will have to cont to wear a mask at my job. I'm ok with that. But I'm sick of defending myself to all these moronic red parts of my county and friends. If they get COVID now...it's on them. I have to say though, I'm leary about this. We have already seen break thru vaccinated people getting COVID in our hospital. They're in ICU, they have had it pretty bad. yea, it's not that many, but I would hate to be that 1% that they are saying. Though I think it's more. I don’t care about those that are eligible to be vaccinated and are choosing not to. If the get Covid and have complications or die that’s on them and their choices. My concern is the people who still can’t get vaccinated especially the under 12 year olds. My youngest is 11 - I can’t get her vaccinated. I already have an appointment to get my 13 year old vaccinated. I almost wish there was some way to fudge my 11 year olds age so I could get her vaccinated— I feel like vaccine risk is way lower to her than the risk of contracting Covid.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 14, 2021 13:38:56 GMT
I can trust science implicitly and still think the CDC has done a questionable job in the last several weeks on public information, including walking back a director pronouncement on (no) transmission by vaccinated people and publishing a wholly confusing indoor/outdoor mask chart. (Vaccinated me can hang out unmasked inside a vaccinated friend’s home but can’t take an unmasked walk or bike ride with her outside?)
I’ve been railing about this CDC public information thing for several weeks now, so it’s not just this latest announcement. I need clear language and apples-to-apples lists. I need easily linked research or further explanation. Instead, I stare at their charts for long minutes and scour the site for information that should be linked.
Public information is a vitally important component of their mission and they seem to be faltering lately. (Yes, I understand they’re probably living in a perpetual state of crisis, but “customer” confusion will just beget more crisis.)
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Post by casii on May 14, 2021 13:52:27 GMT
I've been listening to Michael Lewis' latest book "The Premonition". Haven't even really reached the Covid part yet, but it highlights how the CDC isn't infallible and that we've always handicapped our public health officials. It should be interesting when I DO reach the current pandemic coverage.
Because I have granddaughters who are 2 and they have health issues, I am hopeful we'll stair step into vaccinating younger children soon. Until then, I think I'll mask up to do my errands. It doesn't pick anyone's pocket or break anyone's leg for me to do so.
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 14:12:09 GMT
Dr fauchi just admitted that part of the CDC calculus in no-mask changes may have been to induce the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. My concern is children. Honest question: do you believe the CDC just isn't thinking about the children in this case? They didn't consider that in their calculus? Yeah, I think there is zero chance they didn’t consider children in this update. I should say I’ve been critical of the CDC, and I do think some of those criticisms of tone of messaging are still valid, but the issues aren’t all their fault either. Because they’re risk adverse, they tend to hedge their advice at times, which sometimes impacts the clarity of their messaging. To a degree, I do understand the hedging with a novel virus that is still, even now, being learned about. It’s clearly a tricky balance. I don’t envy them. What’s not their fault, is that generally (for a decent part of the population) people don’t seem to understand that updating advice based on new info or complete data gained is part of a good and effective scientific approach to something new. It should be expected, instead they’re perceived as changing their mind, and effectively dismissed and discredited for it. I don’t really don’t know how they change that, unfortunately.
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 14:15:13 GMT
I've been listening to Michael Lewis' latest book "The Premonition". Haven't even really reached the Covid part yet, but it highlights how the CDC isn't infallible and that we've always handicapped our public health officials. It should be interesting when I DO reach the current pandemic coverage. Because I have granddaughters who are 2 and they have health issues, I am hopeful we'll stair step into vaccinating younger children soon. Until then, I think I'll mask up to do my errands. It doesn't pick anyone's pocket or break anyone's leg for me to do so. I’m actually about to start that one myself. I would have already, but I opted for the book over the audiobook, because it had bad reviews for narration, lol. Which is a dealbreaker in an audio book. 😂
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 14:15:41 GMT
I don't take issue with anyone choosing to wear or not wear a mask. What I object to is saying we have concerns that the CDC and virtually every major epidemiologist out there just didn't think of. That's the kind of thinking that led to covid-hoax, anti-mask, and anti-vaxx thinking. It seems to me that choosing to trust the CDC on this sends the message that those of us who followed the recommendations were doing the right thing all along. Instead, we're saying, yeah, conspiracy folks, we didn't trust them either - we're just reading different scare stories than you are. If that's where you are, fine, and I'll never say a word to anyone who chooses to continue to wear a mask when you don't have to. But please don't put it out there that Kevin on the internet raised a very interesting point that you think the CDC might not have considered. That makes us no better than the anti-science folks who helped us into this mess in the first place. The cdc is saying vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks. My concern (and I think others on the thread) is that now it appears masks will be going away altogether. Not just for unvaccinated people. That puts kids who haven’t been able to be vaccinated yet at risk, even of they themselves wear masks. I do have some concern that we may find out new info later that doesn’t support this decision. But my main thought is that they didn’t completely think through the fact that it wouldn’t just be vaccinated people that stop wearing masks. Again, I think it's unlikely that the peas have thought through anything that the CDC didn't already think through. Unvaccinated adults will certainly stop wearing masks if they were wearing them before. Children and others who are concerned should keep right on wearing them, as well as distancing. Somewhere in the CDC calculus, that's all been considered. With all due respect, I don't think you or I or almost anyone on this board is qualified to say otherwise. That said - if you want to keep wearing a mask, please do. I'm not about to shame or mock anyone for doing so. (I'm still required to wear one at work, but that's another issue for another day.) But trying to say that we on the pea board have thought of something that our leading scientists didn't is fuel for all the "experts don't know anything" and "all opinions are equally valid" crew. I think it's important not to go there.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 14, 2021 15:00:42 GMT
Personally I’m not the least bit surprised by this. I think the CDC has known (or at least highly suspected) for awhile that the vaccine is effective enough that masks were unnecessary for vaccinated people but if they announced that too soon the unvaccinated would prematurely ditch their masks. My gut tells me the CDC did basically a risk-vs-reward calculation taking into the consideration the ages of people getting vaccinated, hospitalization data, etc and decided it was safe enough to announce.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 14, 2021 15:01:09 GMT
So last year all mistrust of the CDC was blamed on Trump. Full stop.
Who are we blaming the mistrust on this time? Where will the MSM go with this one...
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 15:16:43 GMT
So last year all mistrust of the CDC was blamed on Trump. Full stop. Who are we blaming the mistrust on this time? Where will the MSM go with this one... Poor Trump, so unfairly blamed. 😏 And really full stop? Like it’s absolutely true, no further discussion needed? 🤔 I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on May 14, 2021 15:33:45 GMT
Are you in Michigan? I heard the same kinds of things yesterday. Yes Case in point- my sister was already called a p*ssy this morning 5 min into her shift at Starbucks for wearing a “stupid mask”. So at that point the manager needs to step in and remove the customer, not because of the mask comment but because of the way they treated your sister. Businesses need to support their staff in these situations and having common courtesy needs to be upheld. They can repeat, it is not about the mask, but I will not allow my staff to be treated that way for any reason.
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Post by katlady on May 14, 2021 15:39:37 GMT
California was scheduled to ease their mask mandate on June 15th. I wonder if that will change now.
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 14, 2021 15:51:45 GMT
So last year all mistrust of the CDC was blamed on Trump. Full stop. Who are we blaming the mistrust on this time? Where will the MSM go with this one... Poor Trump, so unfairly blamed. 😏 And really full stop? Like it’s absolutely true, no further discussion needed? 🤔 I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. You are right, I'm sure there were conservative media that didn't blame Trump. But MSM, yes they placed full blame at his feet for any and all mistrust of the CDC last year. If not, who else did they blame? I can't think of any (non ultra conservative) fingers being pointed anywhere but straight to the top, which was Trump. So yes, I'm curious where this current mistrust of the CDC is coming from like shown in the previous tweets and many posts here. It's probably a complete non-issue anyways because I think MSM is going to run with the current CDC recommendations anyways. Because like I said, who would they blame any mistrust of the CDC on now?
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 15:55:18 GMT
So last year all mistrust of the CDC was blamed on Trump. Full stop. Who are we blaming the mistrust on this time? Where will the MSM go with this one... How many times did Trump say something stupid in a press conference, then Dr Fauci or someone else had to correct him? How many times did Trump tweet something negative about the CDC? Former deserves a lot of the blame for mistrust of the CDC. He promoted a treatment not tested for Covid, suggested ingesting bleach and using ultra violet light. For years, he disparaged scientists and claimed he was smarter than them. His administration put out conflicting messages, interfered with government agencies, sent out incomplete information, overrode the recommendations of scientists and fired experts who openly disagreed with him. But, sure let’s blame mainstream media for telling the truth and not spouting all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories. I think the better question is how will Fox, OAN & Newsmax spin this? I imagine it will be some variation of this - see the CDC can’t be trusted, they change their minds all of the time. Maybe try actually watching PBS NewsHour or another more neutral source instead of getting all of your information from Fox.
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